Romans: the most cruel and most barbaric nation ever existed

[Sile]

Angela knows as much about Hellenic and Roman history as a cat knows about the stock exchange.

I have a history degree while Angela seems to get her knowledge from Wikipedia.

She is a victim of the superficial Italian educational system.

There are degrees of cruelty and the Romans were remarkable for the intensity and longevity of their cruelty.

She does not know or want to know about the cruelty and teachery that built up Roman power (broken treaties, assassination of enemy leaders), the cynical cruelty that maintained it and the cowardice and incompetence that brought it down, at least in the West.

In fact Scipio would not have beaten Hannibal at Zama without Numidian cavalry; Greek cavalry helped the Romans beat the Macedonians and German mercenary cavalry helped Julius Caesar beat the Gauls at Alesia.

Greek-speaking Constantinople alone kept "Roman" power going in the Eastern Mediterranean for a thousand years and for a time in parts of Italy too, against all sorts of attacks by powerful, hostile neighbours.

Its a fact all great empires and armies of the ancient times had many races fighting for them. Numbers of troops from one region in the period of history was never enough to do major conquests.
Alexanders armies, Persian armies, Roman armies, gallic armies etc
Even the Goths and Vandals absorbed many many races into their armies to conquer western Roman empire

After the Roman conquest of southern Italy by the Romans before the punic wars was basically the end of a "pure" Roman army.

 

[Sile]

Please do not make the mistake to treat Albania and Epirus as the same entity, because it is simply not!

Stop being nationalistic as i used the modern terms for the areas I was speaking about..........which of the 14 ancient epirote tribes did you want me to mention?

 

[Echetlaeus]

Stop being nationalistic as i used the modern terms for the areas I was speaking about..........which of the 14 ancient epirote tribes did you want me to mention?

I cannot stop being that, because I have relatives living in this part of Epirus which is not yet free.

 

[bicicleur 2]

they were the most cruel and most barbaric, and it made them very succesfull, unfortunately

 

[kamani]

I cannot stop being that, because I have relatives living in this part of Epirus which is not yet free.

Then you might be more Albanian than Greek yourself. But sometimes people hate the most those they are the most similar with.

 

[Echetlaeus]

Then you might be more Albanian than Greek yourself. But sometimes people hate the most those they are the most similar with.

People living in Southern Albania are not different from the rest of the Greeks (by phenotype). What do you talk about hate? I have no problems with Albanians whatsoever! Nonetheless there are groups in both countries that have deadly hatred to each other, for no reason actually. I strongly believe however that for sure there is some kind of connection between the two peoples, actually, correct me if I am wrong, maybe the Greeks and Albanians have many things in common in terms of genome, but I am not expert in these kind of stuff. I do not even know about my DNA as well, I have never tested it.

You have to understand one thing though. Before 1912 Epirus was one part under the Ottoman rule. After the frontiers were set, it happened that people of the same family had relatives in both sides.

 

[kamani]

I strongly believe however that for sure there is some kind of connection between the two peoples, actually, correct me if I am wrong, maybe the Greeks and Albanians have many things in common in terms of genome, but I am not expert in these kind of stuff. I do not even know about my DNA as well, I have never tested it.

In general, Greeks, Italians, and Albanians are very similar genetically, although Italians are the more Western of the three. More specifically, Greeks North of the Pindus Mountains and West of Kozani, cluster closer with Southern Albanians. But there is also 10-15% Slavic influence in this area because in Ottoman times the villages were mixed, some were Slavic, some Greek, some Albanian. So if you're from Northwest Greece, you're probably a mix of recent Greek, recent Albanian, and some Slavic. By "recent" I mean the last 500 years.

 

[Echetlaeus]

In general, Greeks, Italians, and Albanians are very similar genetically, although Italians are the more Western of the three. More specifically, Greeks North of the Pindus Mountains and West of Kozani, cluster closer with Southern Albanians. But there is also 10-15% Slavic influence in this area because in Ottoman times the villages were mixed, some were Slavic, some Greek, some Albanian. So if you're from Northwest Greece, you're probably a mix of recent Greek, recent Albanian, and some Slavic. By "recent" I mean the last 500 years.

Yes, exaclty, that is why Epirus should not be separated. But my name indicates a Cretan origin as well. Whatever, Balkans is a truly mixed place.

 

[giuseppe rossi]

Hahahahah

Vallicanus. Please.

"Greek" culture was largely copied from the Egyptians and other Middle Easterners.

And we won countless of wars against them in the past.

Keep the slurs out of your posts

 

[Vallicanus]

The Italians were well beaten by the Greeks in 1940-41.

ROME WOULD NOT HAVE HAD AN ADVANCED CULTURE WITHOUT THE GREEK AND ETRUSCAN INFLUENCES.

 

[Sile]

The Italians were well beaten by the Greeks in 1940-41.

ROME WOULD NOT HAVE HAD AN ADVANCED CULTURE WITHOUT THE GREEK AND ETRUSCAN INFLUENCES.

Are you truly scottish , since you show the scotland flag?

 

[Yetos]

Hahahahah

Vallicanus. Please.

"Greek" culture was largely copied from the Egyptians and other Middle Easterners.

And we won countless of wars against them in the past.

Keep the slurs out of your posts

only your eternal dream, from Rome's times was Greece, why?
why every Italian leader is dreaming of Greece?

besides, Egyptians or middle Estern never had Democracy, δικανικος λογος, and κοινον,
although they had astronomy and maths in a good level for that ages

so yoy better say that Romans copy Greeks even in Alphabet and Senate

 

[Vallicanus]

only your eternal dream, from Rome's times was Greece, why?
why every Italian leader is dreaming of Greece?

besides, Egyptians or middle Estern never had Democracy, δικανικος λογος, and κοινον,
although they had astronomy and maths in a good level for that ages

so yoy better say that Romans copy Greeks even in Alphabet and Senate

Italians have always copied other cultures.

 

[Angela]

Italians have always copied other cultures.

Perhaps you would care to list those peoples who have not "copied" from other cultures?

Well, maybe the first agriculturalists...the first metallurgists of the Near East? Certainly the Indo-Europeans can't be included, nor the Greeks, nor any modern European culture, nor the Japanese....Shall I go on?

 

[Vallicanus]

Perhaps you would care to list those peoples who have not "copied" from other cultures?

Well, maybe the first agriculturalists...the first metallurgists of the Near East? Certainly the Indo-Europeans can't be included, nor the Greeks, nor any modern European culture, nor the Japanese....Shall I go on?

Well, the peoples of the Fertile Crescent were certainly pretty innovative inventing many aspects of urban life and agriculture.

The Romans however were very barren when it came to invention.

The Greeks developed science and philosophy from foreign roots.

The Romans only developed better ways to kill,exploit and enslave.

 

[Angela]

Well, the peoples of the Fertile Crescent were certainly pretty innovative inventing many aspects of urban life and agriculture.

The Romans however were very barren when it came to invention.

The Greeks developed science and philosophy from foreign roots.

The Romans only developed better ways to kill,exploit and enslave.

That is totally unresponsive to my question. Do you wish to try again?

Do you really think that it isn't apparent that all your remarks in this thread and others are meant as a provocation against Italians? Do you think you score any points with anyone here who has a brain in his head?

People can disagree, even get testy*, but this is different. What on earth is your problem?

*Oh, that applies to moderators too.

 

[Fire Haired14]

What's with the ethnic tension? People are influenced by foreign cultures all the time. Rarely is any any-type of tradition 100s or 1000s of years old. America is a great example of this. Americans are more patriotic and traditional minded than most old-world people, despite its extremely young and diverse history. In one generation a brand new culture and identity can be formed which is as original as a culture that's 10,000 years old.

Stuff distant ancestors of modern people did doesn't change the greatness of modern nations. Besides there's no use in seeing who's superior and who's inferior, because there's little evidence any one pop in the world is better or worse at much of anything compared to another.

 

[Vallicanus]

@Angela

Let me give you a modern example.

Britain has far more patents and Nobel Prizes to its credit than Italy.

Britain has more universities in the European Top 100 than any other
nation. ITALY HAS NO UNIVERSITIES IN THE TOP 100.

 

[giuseppe rossi]

only your eternal dream, from Rome's times was Greece, why?
why every Italian leader is dreaming of Greece?

besides, Egyptians or middle Estern never had Democracy, δικανικος λογος, and κοινον,
although they had astronomy and maths in a good level for that ages

so yoy better say that Romans copy Greeks even in Alphabet and Senate

No the senate and the Democracy are Indo European inventions. Even Vikings had them too.

Greeks simply got lucky to live next to advanced MENA groups and copied everything from them including the Alphabet from the Phoenicians.

 

[giuseppe rossi]

@Angela

Let me give you a modern example.

Britain has far more patents and Nobel Prizes to its credit than Italy.

Britain has more universities in the European Top 100 than any other
nation. ITALY HAS NO UNIVERSITIES IN THE TOP 100.

UK has the advantage to be an English speaking country so it attracts the best students and scientists from the whole world.