Crime Schools being soft targets for gunmen

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Disturbingly, there have been one shcool shooting to another in the last few weeks here in the US; four in this year and three of them happened within a few days in September and October.

The most recent shooting took place at a quiet one-room Amish schoolhouse, now demolished by workers after the tragedy, in Penssylvania; a shooter captured and fatally shot five girls and injured five others.

This shooter appeared to me to be a copycat of another gunman who had taken six girls hostage at a high chool in Bailey, Colorado just a few days previous, who sexually assaulted and used them as a human sheild for four hours before the swat team stormed into the classroom when he killed one of the girls and himself.

These incidents seem to be swept away behind other news such as North Korea's nuclear test and are not talked about as much as it should be. I was talking about this with my husband, and we thought that the schools should hire a very well-trained ununiformed policeman who also teaches classes but works as a police which means, he carries a firearm.

How do you guys feel about safety in your school? What do you think are good ways to prevent schools being targeted by these psychos?
 
I think school massacre seem to be very severe in the states. I took a look in the chart from wiki as well as a quick search on the internet, most of the school massacres happened in the US.

Australia in many ways is like the US but we are really a much simpler society. I quickly ask my husband since I didn?ft find anything in my quick search that France doesn?ft really seem to have this sort of problem.

I think US schools need to have security cameras or security guards.



Infamous school massacres
Bombing aftermath of Bath School disasterBath School disaster - Bath, Michigan, United States; May 18, 1927
Poe Elementary School Attack - Houston, Texas, United States; September 15, 1959
Cologne School Massacre - Cologne, Germany; June 11, 1964
University of Texas at Austin Tower Massacre - Austin, Texas, United States; August 1, 1966
Avivim school bus massacre, Israel by Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP); 1970
Ma'alot massacre, Israel by DFLP (see [2]); 1974
California State University, Fullerton Library Massacre - Fullerton, California, United States; July 12, 1976
École Polytechnique Massacre - Montreal, Quebec, Canada; 1989
Stockton Massacre - Stockton, California, United States, 1989
University of Iowa shooting - Iowa City, Iowa, United States; 1991
Concordia University massacre - Montreal, Quebec, Canada; August 24, 1992
Dunblane massacre - Dunblane, Scotland, United Kingdom; March 13, 1996
Sanaa massacre - Sanaa, Yemen; 1997
Jonesboro massacre - Craighead County (near Jonesboro), Arkansas, United States; March 24, 1998
Columbine High School massacre - Jefferson County (near Denver and Littleton), Colorado, United States; April 20, 1999
Osaka school massacre - Ikeda, Japan; 2001
Erfurt massacre - Erfurt, Germany; 2002
Beslan school hostage crisis - Beslan, Russia; 2004
Red Lake High School massacre - Red Lake, Minnesota, United States; 2005
Dawson College Shooting - Montreal, Quebec, Canada; 2006
Amish school shooting - Nickel Mines, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, United States; 2006
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Infamous school shooters
Eric Harris and Dylan KleboldLuke Woodham - Killed mother and 2 students
Kip Kinkel - Killed parents and 2 students
Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold - Perpetrators of Columbine massacre
Robert Steinhäuser - Perpetrator of the Erfurt massacre
Andrew Golden - Perpetrator of Jonesboro massacre
Mitchell Johnson - Also perpetrator of Jonesboro massacre
Dedrick Owens - Youngest school shooter
Marc Lépine - Anti-feminist who killed 14 women at a Canadian university
Jeff Weise - Perpetrator of the Red Lake massacre
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Other primary and elementary school killings
This section documents a current event.
Information may change rapidly as the event progresses.
Date Location Description
January 29, 1979 San Diego, California, USA Armed with a .22 rifle she had been given for Christmas, 17-year-old Brenda Ann Spencer opened fire at Cleveland Elementary School. She wounded eight children and one police officer and killed two adults. When the six-hour incident ended, she was asked of her motive for the killing, to which she shrugged and replied "I don't like Mondays. This livens up the day." Soon after, the Dublin punk band Boomtown Rats wrote the song "I Don't Like Mondays" which was based on the incident.
May 20, 1988 Winnetka, Illinois, USA 30-year-old Laurie Dann walked into a second grade classroom at Hubbard Woods Elementary School carrying three pistols and began shooting children, killing eight-year-old Nicholas Corwin and wounding five others before fleeing. She entered a nearby house where she shot and wounded a 20-year-old man before killing herself.
September 26, 1988 Greenwood, South Carolina, USA 19 year old James Wilson opened fire at Oakland Elementary School, killing two eight year old girls and wounding nine others, seven of whom were children. He had been taking several psychiatric drugs at the time, including Valium, Halcion, and Xanax.
February 29, 2000 Mount Morris Township, Michigan, USA Armed with a .32 pistol he had stolen from his uncle's house, 6 year old Dedrick Owens fatally shot Kayla Rolland in the neck. This story is featured in the 2002 documentary Bowling for Columbine.
June 1, 2004 Sasebo, Japan An 11-year-old girl fatally slashed classmate Satomi Mitarai at Okubo Elementary School. This led to the creation of the Nevada-tan Internet phenomenon.
October 2, 2006 Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, USA Five female students killed and six wounded during a hostage standoff at an Amish schoolhouse.
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Other secondary and post-secondary school killings
Date Location Description
December 30, 1974 Olean, New York, USA 18-year-old honor student Anthony Barbaro blockaded himself into a third story classroom at his high school and opened fire on those below, killing three people and wounding eleven. He later hanged himself while awaiting trial. A drama was written about the incident entitled Sniper.
October 21, 1975 Ottawa, Ontario, Canada 18-year-old Robert Poulin opens fire on his class at St. Pius X High School, killing one and wounding five before turning the gun on himself. Poulin had raped and stabbed his 17-year-old friend Kim Rabit to death prior to the incident. A book was written on the incident called Rape Of A Normal Mind
January 21, 1985 Kansas, USA Armed with an M-1A Semi-Automatic Rifle and a .357 Pistol, 14 year old James Kearbey fatally shot his principal and wounded 3 other teachers and a student at Goddard Junior High School.
March 2, 1987 Missouri, USA After constant teasing and humiliation about his weight, Nathan Ferris armed himself with a pistol and killed a fellow student after he bullied him in class. He then turned the gun on himself.
May 1, 1992 Olivehurst, California, USA Armed with a pistol, 20-year-old Eric Houston took hostages at his former high school, killing four people and wounding 10. His motive was his inability to find a good job due to the fact that he had failed a grade at school. He was given the death penalty for the shooting. The 1994 Hostage High is directly based on the shooting.
January 18, 1993 Grayson, Kentucky, USA 17-year-old Scott Pennington fatally shot his English teacher and a school janitor with a pistol.
September 21, 1995 Rochester, New York, USA 13-year-old Stephne Givens was fatally stabbed at Jefferson Middle School by a fellow student.
November 15, 1995 Giles County, Tennessee, USA Armed with a .22 Remington Viper, 17-year-old Jamie Rouse walked into the Richland School and shot two teachers in the head, killing one. He then fired at the football coach, but hit a 14-year-old freshman in the neck, wounding her.
February 2, 1996 Moses Lake, Washington, USA Armed with a high-powered hunting rifle and two handguns, 14-year-old Barry Loukaitis killed his algebra teacher and two students before taking hostages. He also shot a girl in the arm, who he released during the hostage situation. The incident ended when a teacher burst into the room and tackled him. Loukaitis is now serving life in prison.
February 2, 1996 Atlanta, Georgia, USA 12-year-old David Dubose killed a teacher in the hallway of his school with a pistol.
September 17, 1996 University Park, Pennsylvania, USA In the Hetzel Union Building shooting at The Pennsylvania State University, 19 year old Jillian Robbins opened fire on students walking to classes, killing one student and wounding another.
January 27, 1997 West Palm Beach, Florida, USA 13-year-old Tronneal Magnum shot and killed another student in front of his school.
February 19, 1997 Bethel, Alaska, USA Armed with a pump-action 12 gauge shotgun, Evan Ramsey killed a student and the principal of Bethel High School, and wounded two others. He is now serving a 210 year sentence.
October 1, 1997 Pearl, Mississippi, USA 16 year old Luke Woodham stabbed and beat his mother to death, then took a lever-action rifle to Pearl High School where he shot into a crowd of students, killing his ex-girlfriend Christina Menefee and her friend Lydia Kay Dew and wounded seven other students. Woodham later claimed that he did not remember killing his mother.
December 1, 1997 West Paducah, Kentucky, USA 14-year-old Michael Carneal carried five fully-loaded guns to Heath High School, shot at a prayer group, killing three students (Jessica James, Nichole Hadley and Kayce Steger) and wounding another five. Five of the victims were shot in the head, and three were hit in the upper torso. One of the wounded girls was paralyzed for life.
April 24, 1998 Edinboro, Pennsylvania, USA 14-year-old Andrew J. Wurst went to the school graduation dance where he shot and killed a popular science teacher. He subsequently opened fire on more students, wounding another teacher and two classmates before he ran out of ammunition.
May 19, 1998 Fayetteville, Tennessee, USA Three days before graduation, 18-year-old honor student Jacob Davis fatally shot 18-year-old Nick Creson with a bolt action rifle. He then discarded the rifle and calmly watched Creson die.
May 21, 1998 Springfield, Oregon, USA Kip Kinkel opened fire with a .22 rifle at Thurston Senior High School, killing 2 students and wounding 25 before being tackled by a wounded student. His parents were later found at home, murdered by Kinkel. He is now seving 111 years in prison without parole.
April 28, 1999 Taber, Alberta, Canada In both the first school shooting since Columbine and the first Canadian school shooting in over 10 years, Todd Cameron Smith brought a sawn-off .22 rifle to W.R Meyers High School and shot two students, killing one.
October 20, 1999 Houston, Texas, USA During a fight between 14-year-old Estanislao Balderas and 13-year-old Samuel Avila at Deady Middle School, Baldera produced a screwdriver and fatally stabbed Avila with it.
November 20, 1999 Deming, New Mexico, USA A boy shot 13-year-old Aralecy Tena in the back of the head with a handgun at Deming Middle School. Tena died after being taken off of life support.
March, 2000 Brandenburg, Bavaria, Germany A 16 year old student fatally shot a teacher and then turned the handgun on himself but survived, and has been in a coma ever since.
May 26, 2000 West Palm Beach, Florida, USA 13-year-old Nathaniel Brazill shot his English teacher, 35-year-old Barry Grunow, in the face on the last day of school.
March 5, 2001 Santee, California, USA Armed with .22 revolver, 15-year-old Charles Andrew Williams opened fire in a boy's bathroom at Santana High School, killing two students. He then exited the bathroom and shot at nearby students, wounding 13. Shortly afterwards he retreated back into the toilets where he surrendered to police.
April 26, 2002 Erfurt, Germany The 19-years old Robert Steinhäuser killed 13 teachers, 2 students and a police officer armed with a 9mm Glock 17 and a Pumpgun and then himself. For more informations look Erfurt massacre
April 29, 2002 Vlasenica, Bosnia and Herzegovina Armed with a 7.65mm pistol, 17-year-old Dragoslav Petkovic killed his history teacher because he was sure that the teacher did not like him and would give him a failing grade. He then shot another teacher in front of the whole classroom, wounding her lightly, before committing suicide.
April 24, 2003 Red Lion, Pennsylvania, USA 14-year-old James Sheets fatally shot his school principal in the cafeteria of his middle school before committing suicide.
September 24, 2003 Cold Spring, Minnesota, USA 15-year-old Jason McLaughlin shot Aaron Rollins and Seth Bartell at Rocori High School with a .22 pistol. Rollins died the same day; Bartell died October 10 of injuries sustained in the attack.[2]
January 13, 2004 Den Haag, Netherlands Murat D. killed Hans van Wieren, a 49-year-old teacher at Terra College.
February 2, 2004 Washington, D.C., USA 19 year old Thomas J. Boykin fatally shot 17 year old James Richardson at Ballou Senior High School. Boykin was later acquitted on the charge of murder[3].
February 3, 2004 Palmetto Bay, Florida, USA 14-year old Michael Hernandez stabbed and slit the throat of 14-year-old classmate, Jaime Rodrigo Gough, while in a restroom at Southwood Middle School. Hernandez was tried as an adult, and sentenced to life in prison without parole. A search of his home revealed he had concocted plans to murder several classmates and even his younger sister. His journal revealed he was obsessed with perfection, and admired Hitler and the Nazis.
March 30, 2004 Gary, Indiana, USA Neal Boyd IV was fatally shot in the parking lot of Wallace High School by a fellow student.
August 4, 2004 Beijing, China Xu Heping, a 51-year-old doorman with a history of mental illness, stabbed several students and teachers in Beijing University's Number One Hospital, killing a child and wounding 17 others, 14 of whom were children.
September 28, 2004 Carmen de Patagones,
Buenos Aires Province, Argentina Armed with his father's 9mm pistol, a 15-year-old boy opened fire on his classmates during a flag-hoisting, killing 3 students and wounding 5 others.
November 26, 2004 Ruzhou, China With no apparent motive, an intruder stabbed eight students to death and injured four others at Ruzhou's Number Two High School in the sixth such incident in China in the past four months[4].
November 8, 2005 Jacksboro, Tennessee, USA After reports that a freshman had a handgun, the principal and two assistant principals confronted student Kenneth Bartley Jr., who opened fire on them, killing one of the assistant principals and wounding the two others.
September 27, 2006 Bailey, Colorado, USA A hostage crisis leaves one student and the perpetrator dead.
September 29, 2006 Cazenovia, Wisconsin, USA 15-year-old Eric Hainstock shoots his high school principal, who then managed to wrestle Hainstock to the ground. The principal died later in hospital from multiple gunshot wounds.
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Non-fatal school shootings and attacks
Date Location Description
June 17, 1994 Holywood, Northern Ireland, United Kingdom A former pupil bearing a grudge entered an assembly hall at Sullivan Upper School and used a flamethrower to attack students taking A-Level examinations. Six were injured, three seriously.
July 8, 1996 Blakenhall,
Wolverhampton, England, United Kingdom Horrett Campbell, a 33-year-old man with paranoid schizophrenia, invaded a teddy bears' picnic being held at St Luke's Primary School and slashed three young children and four adults with a machete. Lisa Potts, a 20-year-old nursery nurse, was awarded the George Medal for saving children's lives despite suffering severe injuries.
October 1996 Queensland, Australia Paul Streeton set six year old Tjandamurra O'Shane on fire in the playground of his school, burning over 70% of his body. The motive was apparently racism due to the boy's aboriginal background.
May 21, 1998 Houston, Texas, USA A 17-year-old?fs gun accidentally discharged in his backpack, wounding a nearby girl.
June 15, 1998 Richmond, Virginia, USA 14-year-old Quinshawn Booker fired a pistol in a crowded hallway of Armstrong High School, injuring two adults, as other students were taking final exams.
May 20, 1999 Conyers, Georgia, USA 15-year-old Thomas J. Solomon used a .22 rifle and .357 handgun to wound six classmates at Heritage High School before surrendering to a teacher.
December 6, 1999 Fort Gibson, Oklahoma, USA Armed with a 9mm pistol and carrying over 100 rounds of ammunition, 13 year old Seth Trickey opened fire on a crowd of students, wounding four.
April 20, 2000 Ottawa, Ontario, Canada A year after the Columbine massacre, a student attacked and injured four students and a school clerk with a butcher knife at Carine Wilson High School in the suburb of Orleans.
October, 2000 Glendale, Arizona, USA 14-year-old Sean Botkin uses a gun to hold his former 8th grade class hostage for several hours. The situation eventually ended peacefully with Botkin surrendering to the police.
March 7, 2001 Williamsport, Pennsylvania, USA An eighth grade girl injured another eighth grade girl at Bishop Neumann Junior-Senior High School. This was the first time a shooting occurred in a Catholic school and one of only four known incidents in which the main perpetrator was female.
2002 China A kindergarten doctor confessed to putting rat poison in salt at a rival nursery. 70 children and two teachers became seriously ill.
May 7, 2004 Randallstown, Maryland, USA 18-year-old Matthew McCullough and 24-year-old Tyrone Devon Brown shot four students of Randallstown High School following a brawl with football players in a parking lot. One of the victims was left partially paralysed.
September 2004 Suzhou, China A man armed with a knife and homemade explosives attacked 28 children at a kindergarten.
September 27, 2004 Romeo, Michigan, USA Former Romeo High School student Eric Schorling stabbed his ex-girlfriend, Nicole Lambert, in the back with a kitchen knife as she walked to class. The knife nearly pierced Lambert's heart, but she survived and recovered, and Schorling was convicted of assault with intent to murder in October 2005.
October 21, 2005 Saginaw, Michigan, USA 16-year-old Clarence Russell III shot Daniel Foster in the halls of Saginaw High School. Russell[5] [6].
February, 2006 Bellaire, Texas, USA A boy at Bellaire High School stabbed another boy in a stairwell. The victim survived the stabbing, and the attacker was arrested and prosecuted.
February 23, 2006 Roseburg, Oregon, USA 14-year-old Vincent Leodoro stole a 10 mm handgun from his stepfather's home and brought it to school where he shot 15 year old Joseph Monti in the back. When Monti fell to the ground, Leodoro shot Monti a further 3 times.
March 14, 2006 Reno, Nevada, USA 14-year-old James Newman brought his father's revolver to Pine Middle School and wounded two students. He was sentenced to house arrest and community service, which outraged several members of the public when he was not sentenced to prison.
August 30, 2006 Hillsborough, North Carolina, USA 19-year-old Alvaro Rafael Castillo opened fire at Orange High School with a rifle and shotgun, shooting eight times and wounding two students. Officers ordered him to stop firing and he immediately complied. Castillo killed his father with a firearm before driving to school in a van. In the van police officers found ammunition, pipe bombs, and other weapons. Castillo will be charged with first-degree murder in the death of his father while charges for the school shooting are pending.[7]
October 6, 2006 Ottawa, Ontario, Canada A student was stabbed in a knife attack near Woodroffe High School causing the complete lockdown at the school[8]
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You can the rest from here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting
 
This shooting that happened in the Amish community, has raised the debate of more laws on gun control. But there are more complex issues that go beyond gun control.

In urban schools, Minty there are security cameras, detectors, and security guards. I remember when I was in middle school and high school when students entered school they would have to go through a detector and security guards would check our back packs or purses for weapons. We had to go through this process every morning. It was a pain really, because whenever students would have change in their pockets or have on watch or something like that, the detector would go off and you would have to take off your watch and go through the detector again.
 
Gun control certainly has a part in this. However, I noticed that similar incidents have happened in Europe (e.g. Germany) and Japan, if not with guns with other weapons, like knives. So we could say that schools are soft targets for violence in general. This doesn't surprise me for many reasons :

- teenagers have the most difficulties managing their hormones, and thus behaviour
- it is also typically in secondary school age that people experience for the first time love, and maybe also their first broken heart.
- schools (since kindergarten) are often ripe with bullying, ostracism, anti-social behaviour, blackmailing, physical and verbal violence...
- there is increasing lack of respect towar teachers, and often resentment from students when get punished, resulting in more tension and sometimes violence between students and teachers.


School is often a place where people from different social backgrounds meet, which can explain some of these problems (I personally believe from experience that it is much more difficult for people of very different social class to get along or understand each others than people from different ethnic or even cultural groups).

50 years ago or more, schools used to be more divided by social class than they are now. There were less problems in schools than today. We have changed the system for the sake of equality and tolerance, but it has resulted in more violence. That is why I believe it is a mistake. It is fine to have multi-ethnic schools, but for children's sake prevent them from confrontations with people whose mindset is unconciliable to theirs, at least until they are mature enough to deal with it.
 
Ma Cherie said:
But there are more complex issues that go beyond gun control.
Definitely, I agree. I think a lot of problems are rooted deeply in the society.
Maciamo said:
- teenagers have the most difficulties managing their hormones, and thus behaviour
- it is also typically in secondary school age that people experience for the first time love, and maybe also their first broken heart.
- schools (since kindergarten) are often ripe with bullying, ostracism, anti-social behaviour, blackmailing, physical and verbal violence...
- there is increasing lack of respect towar teachers, and often resentment from students when get punished, resulting in more tension and sometimes violence between students and teachers.
Those are the exact reasons why there are so many juvenile crimes but a lot of adults overlook.


What bothered me the most about those two incidents at high school in Bailey and the Amish schoolhouse was that the girls who were taken as hostages were so defenseless of which the perpetraters took advantages. It makes me wonder if the damage would be less had they been taught how to act when confronted by an assailant.

My local middle and high schools have planned their emergency evacuation drill; to lift the students' awareness; for the schools to get better coordinated in emergency situations; I think it is very important for them to have this drill routinely.
 
Here in Utah, some teachers are going to a Gun Safety program. They take the program and decide whether or not they want a Concealed Weapons Permit. They are able to have a gun in class with them as long as it's concealed. I encourage all teachers to get a concealed weapons permit. I feel that everyone has a right to protect themselves in any way that they can if they are in danger. There are also school cops.
(Obviously I don't believe in banning guns)
 
This shooting that happened in the Amish community, has raised the debate of more laws on gun control. But there are more complex issues that go beyond gun control.
In urban schools, Minty there are security cameras, detectors, and security guards. I remember when I was in middle school and high school when students entered school they would have to go through a detector and security guards would check our back packs or purses for weapons. We had to go through this process every morning. It was a pain really, because whenever students would have change in their pockets or have on watch or something like that, the detector would go off and you would have to take off your watch and go through the detector again.

Wow, we are truly living in a different world in Australia. They only have such devices when we go out of the country, or go interstate by plane.

I took two train rides in Australia during my vacation, besides the fact that they wanted to see our boarding pass, they didn't really check us for anything else.

I ask my husband about French schools, he says there is no such thing.

With the Amish schools' situation since they don't want anything to do with technology, the local police will just have to send somebody over to protect them.
 
Gun control certainly has a part in this. However, I noticed that similar incidents have happened in Europe (e.g. Germany) and Japan, if not with guns with other weapons, like knives. So we could say that schools are soft targets for violence in general. This doesn't surprise me for many reasons :
- teenagers have the most difficulties managing their hormones, and thus behaviour
- it is also typically in secondary school age that people experience for the first time love, and maybe also their first broken heart.
- schools (since kindergarten) are often ripe with bullying, ostracism, anti-social behaviour, blackmailing, physical and verbal violence...
- there is increasing lack of respect towar teachers, and often resentment from students when get punished, resulting in more tension and sometimes violence between students and teachers.
School is often a place where people from different social backgrounds meet, which can explain some of these problems (I personally believe from experience that it is much more difficult for people of very different social class to get along or understand each others than people from different ethnic or even cultural groups).
50 years ago or more, schools used to be more divided by social class than they are now. There were less problems in schools than today. We have changed the system for the sake of equality and tolerance, but it has resulted in more violence. That is why I believe it is a mistake. It is fine to have multi-ethnic schools, but for children's sake prevent them from confrontations with people whose mindset is unconciliable to theirs, at least until they are mature enough to deal with it.

But the Amish students are being separated from the rest of the American students. Amish people don?ft have the same education as the other Americans. I am told that they like to teach their children of all ages in one classroom and their normal schooling is only up to15 years of age. They learn some very old German language. Some American folks say that their English has German accents.

Don?ft Americans have private schools? In Australia the people of high social class usually send their children to private schools with strict uniforms and other disciplines. It is also very expensive in comparison to public schools.

In France there are also private schools but no uniforms, French schools have no uniform apparently (not sure about Muslim schools in France probably do), I am told they are stricter than public schools.
 
Mitsuo Oda said:
Here in Utah, some teachers are going to a Gun Safety program. They take the program and decide whether or not they want a Concealed Weapons Permit. They are able to have a gun in class with them as long as it's concealed.
I've read that in Israel, teachers and parent volunteers have been carrying concealed weapons for 25 years after schools in the West Bank and Gaza Strip were repeatedly attacked by Palestinian terrorists. Also Thailand, followed Israel?s lead, allowed their teachers to carry guns for protection after their schools were targeted by Muslim extremists.

In Wisconsin, the state where one of the recent school shootings occured, State Representative. Frank Lasee announced his plan to introduce legislation that will allow teachers, principals, administrators, and other school personnel to carry concealed weapons.
 

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