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Angela said:could you please provide the link to the video? I want to check out the organization that is putting these videos out.
Apparently the organization is called The Rationalists (first link):
https://therationalists.org/2016/07/19/the-seven-deadly-sins-of-christianity-and-islam-compared/
Vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXa80iqZQqI
Thanks. I can't see anything too objectionable, other than a profound lack of knowledge about all three of the "Religions of the Book", from my perspective.
For what it's worth, I'm the product almost entirely, until university and post university studies, of a rigorous Catholic education, which included one period a day of theology, five days a week, for all those years. I've joked about it, but I did indeed want to become a Carmelite. How's that for brainwashing? I thought my anti-clerical father would have a heart attack.
I never lost my interest in it even if I strayed, so I also took the odd comparative religion and philosophy class in university. The only people I've ever heard talk about the "Seven Deadly Sins" are the "religious" themselves, those in holy orders. The vast majority of Christians couldn't even name them. For that matter, most of them would have a hard time naming the 10 Commandments, and have a hard time not breaking those. If normal people started describing all the times they broke one of the Seven Deadly Sins in a week, they'd be in the confessional for an hour each week. Only saints don't break those, and saints are in short supply.
how did you keep up Angela?
and why did you get all that indoctrination if your father was so opposed to it?
oh, I see, you saw the light
and then something made you change your mind again
I got some indoctrination too - it just was like that at the time - but not as intense as you
and yes, I hated that and I've forgotten all about it, the deadly sins and the 10 commandments and all that
I don't think I'm a better or worse person because of that
I feel much more free without religion
well I see you're able to put things in perspective
and I appreciate your comments
Was it necessary to double post this?
Regardless, my response is the same...
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...into-crowd-in-Nice-France?p=484599#post484599
This is a seriously unhelpful analysis, in my opinion. The most important "sins", for a Christian, are those involved in breaking one of the Ten Commandments:
This is from the New Catholic Bible, which is really the same as the Old Catholic Bible.
"1. I, the Lord, am your God. You shall not have other gods besides me.
2. You shall not take the name of the Lord God in vain
3. Remember to keep holy the Lord's Day
4. Honor your father and your mother
5. You shall not kill
6. You shall not commit adultery
7. You shall not steal
8. You shall not bear false witness
9. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife
10. You shall not covet your neighbor's goods"
They are "lifted", if you will, from the Old Testament.
http://www.catholicbible101.com/thetencommandments.htm
From the New Testament:
"Matthew 22:36-40New International Version (NIV)
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
As to Islam, this is an article on a letter sent by 138 Muslim scholars to the Pope.
http://www.acommonword.com/the-lette...stian-leaders/
"On coming to the content of the letter what is immediately striking is the fact that the title has been taken from the Koran: “A Common Word between Us and You” (Sura of the family of Imran, 3:64). This is what Mohammed says to the Christians in the Koran: when he sees that he cannot reach agreement with them, then he says: Come let us agree on at least one common ground: that we shall worship none but God (the oneness of God) “and that we shall ascribe no partner unto Him, and that none of us shall take others for lords beside God.”
Also,
"The structure of the letter is composed of three parts: the first is entitled “love of god”, subdivided into two, “love of god in Islam” and “love of god as the first and greatest commandment in the bible”."
"The second part is entitled “love of the neighbour” (hubb al-jâr). Also subdivided in two: «love of the neighbour in Islam» and « love of the neighbour in the Bible». Where once again the original Arabic says “in the Gospel”."
How can it have escaped this so called analyst how similar the theology is, in broad terms?
Of course, there are differences. Islam speaks really not of "love" of God, but of obedience, submission. There are other differences. Yes, the hadithas amplified upon it, and are a product of a different culture, a non-European culture. Likewise, the Talmud amplifies upon Jewish scripture and contains precepts not found in the Christian tradition. However, the similarities are profound. All three traditions are called "Religions of the Book", and all three are based on belief in ONE GOD, not many.
Have you ever read the Koran? I have, as part of a Comparative Religion course at university. I just re-read it a couple of years ago to try to get a handle on these things Huge swathes of it are lifted from the Old Testament and the New Testament. Mary is venerated, as is Jesus, as a great prophet. You should read it; you would find that a lot of it echoes what is in both the Old and the New Testaments.
I very much object to some of the demonization of all Muslims, all people from the Middle East really, that is going on in some quarters. If personal experience is any guide, I've found them as individuals to be almost universally warm, generous, engaging, and kind. Their religion formed them in almost all cases, and you couldn't meet better people. They shouldn't be treated less than respectfully because some of their brainwashed or mentally ill compatriots are wreaking havoc not only on us but on them as well.
As others have said, however, the big difference is that the theology of both Judaism and Christianity, except in the more conservative branches, has moved on since the Middle Ages, while that of Islam as a whole has not, in my opinion. That doesn't mean that it can't or won't. Some of this can be laid at the feet of the Wahabi Saudis, who fund many, many madrassas all over the world which teach the most extreme and conservative form of Islam.
One final point: could you please provide the link to the video? I want to check out the organization that is putting these videos out. We don't want this Board to become a dumping ground for deceptive, misleading propaganda by one hate group or another.
I was a very happy boy till the age of 12. I had many friends and school was just a social event. After schoold you'd find us playing in the fields till dark. My teachers complained about my lack of attention in class, but I allways ended in the top 3.
My parents they loved me but what happened I never understood. I've heared them complaining many times about their youth in boarding schools and the priests and the nuns in these schools.
Yet a priest came from some small Catholic order who had a boarding school some 120 km from our home. He convinced them that it would be best for my education to send me there.
It was horrible. I came home 1 day every 3 weeks and I lost all contact with my former friends. There was an iron discipline and a hostile environment in this school. You had to follow a strict programm of activities and sleep 24 hours a day and there was very little occasion for recreation.
The food was terrible. We were obliged to drink a whole bowl of horrible soup every day at noon and for the rest we'd only eat when we were realy hungry. But every thursday there wer french fries, 4 bowls per table. Some would spit in the bowls so they would have all the french fries for themselves.
There was an examn to be admitted to this school. Afterwards I learned I had quite a reputation with some older students. I was the only one ever who got 100 % of the mathematical questions right. Yet in class I underachieved.
The 3rd year my oldest brother - who is 2 years younger than me - joined me in this school.
Together we could finally convince my parents to send us to another school after this year.
I spend 3 more years in another Catholic boarding school nearby where I came home every weekend.
But my school results didn't improve. I passed every year but barely.
The last year I wanted to become a civil engineer. I was called several times to the offices of the agency to advise students. They told me it was impossible. They talked to my parents.
Finally they let me go to university allthough they belived I'd never pass entrance examn. I studied in one week all methematics books I'd had for the last 6 years and I passed the examns.
At university I had very happy years and I passed every test, never hat to do a 2nd one and passed maxima cum laude.
The 6 years before I was verry unhappy.
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