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[qh777]

Hmmm yes, the Vahaduo does seem more usual for my location...

Yes the mix looks more like what I have seen from academic admix charts.

I don't like the Illustrativedna neolithic list/calculator. It does not differentiate between WHG and EHG.
Heres mine:

I'm suspecting that Illustrative is using the late neolithic Anatolian farmers from Barcin. As I mentioned before, the barcin samples have Natufian admix as well. Based on my list I do have elevated Natufian admix where usually its 0 or close to 0 in Britain, Ireland and Scandinavia. Since it's not too high these calculators I suspect will only assign me Turkey Barcin for the Anatolian Farmer component.
Using my list I'll show you. The big limitation is that I'm using modern averages. Individuals may differ. However, it does make sense that these areas will show less Natufian. These places are geographically further away from the Levant than countries in southern Europe and would naturally display less.

Your Natufian says more southern than France I suppose! Or are you Jewish at all, perhaps?

With my Y-Haplo and results that I've seen it makes me wonder. I've found no Jewish ancestors to date. Again, I would like to hire a professional genealogist if I had more disposable income. I will say that Natufian is present in Italians and Spaniards as well.

And in southern France too:

 

[Donny97]

This is the result using the MH coordinates instead of 22andME - Much more in line with Wales

 

[Donny97]

Yes the mix looks more like what I have seen from academic admix charts.

I don't like the Illustrativedna neolithic list/calculator. It does not differentiate between WHG and EHG.
Heres mine:
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I'm suspecting that Illustrative is using the late neolithic Anatolian farmers from Barcin. As I mentioned before, the barcin samples have Natufian admix as well. Based on my list I do have elevated Natufian admix where usually its 0 or close to 0 in Britain, Ireland and Scandinavia. Since it's not too high these calculators I suspect will only assign me Turkey Barcin for the Anatolian Farmer component.
Using my list I'll show you. The big limitation is that I'm using modern averages. Individuals may differ. However, it does make sense that these areas will show less Natufian. These places are geographically further away from the Levant than countries in southern Europe and would naturally display less.
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With my Y-Haplo and results that I've seen it makes me wonder. I've found no Jewish ancestors to date. Again, I would like to hire a professional genealogist if I had more disposable income. I will say that Natufian is present in Italians and Spaniards as well.

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And in southern France too:

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Yes It did cross my mind, did check out the spread of it via FTDNA could be possible...

What is your Ashkenazi score on JTest Gedmatch? Above 10% is likely to be, I read before I think

 

[qh777]

Yes It did cross my mind, did check out the spread of it via FTDNA could be possible...

What is your Ashkenazi score on JTest Gedmatch? Above 10% is likely to be, I read before I think

Eurogenes k13:

My kit number for my merged file: KB7910696

2-way oracle:

I like showing 2-way because:

DNAgenics has 2 verions of the 2-way but the "Mixed Mode" is most like what I've seen on Vahaduo and Gedmatch.

This is the result using the MH coordinates instead of 22andME - Much more in line with Wales

So you identify more as Welsh than English?

 

[Duarte]

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For an Iberian population I believe that replacing Natufian by Iberomaurisian better reflects their ancestry.

 

[qh777]

For an Iberian population I believe that replacing Natufian by Iberomaurisian better reflects their ancestry.

The fit number is lower


Edit: I added the Iberomaurusian and it still prefers Natufian for me

 

[bebs]

I have Continental Celt (Etruria) in my results. I don't understand what they mean by Celts and Etruria being independent regions, can someone help me?

 

[Vallicanus]

I have Continental Celt (Etruria) in my results. I don't understand what they mean by Celts and Etruria being independent regions, can someone help me?

According to Illustrative DNA's Sample Database Continental Celt (Etruria) was closest to ancient Gallo-Romans or modern Occitan French.

 

[Duarte]

G25 modern and ancient averages PCA plot

 

[Duarte]

G25 modern and ancient averages PCA plot

G25 PCA plot - ancient and modern portuguese individuals

 

[ssha_cha7]

NW Euro supervision. Fairly standard Celto-Germanic. R-Z2124/R-FT353700 is really the important thing. I'm basically done with DNA research but the next step from here would be better/different SNP coverage with another test

 

[qh777]

NW Euro supervision. Fairly standard Celto-Germanic. R-Z2124/R-FT353700 is really the important thing. I'm basically done with DNA research but the next step from here would be better/different SNP coverage with another test

Set it to global on periodical and see what you get.

Iron age for me (when set to global):

 

[ssha_cha7]

Set it to global on periodical and see what you get.

Iron age for me (when set to global):
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I do think global is a bit more accurate in my case. I am 75 Brit / 25 Swede, US. There's some Swiss that may be providing Italic in various calculators, but perhaps I read that this is really allocation of some neolithic component. Then there's the trace SSA which appears once and seems remotely possibly a component of Berber, which itself would have been a component of Iberian, etc. Of course it's possible, the Roman Empire had a lot of movement. But doesn't really show elsewhere.

And a whole span of models here, too

 

[ssha_cha7]

Plus the matches which are somewhat the "reality" and guide the interpretation

 

[qh777]

I do think global is a bit more accurate in my case. I am 75 Brit / 25 Swede, US. There's some Swiss that may be providing Italic in various calculators, but perhaps I read that this is really allocation of some neolithic component. Then there's the trace SSA which appears once and seems remotely possibly a component of Berber, which itself would have been a component of Iberian, etc. Of course it's possible, the Roman Empire had a lot of movement. But doesn't really show elsewhere.

And a whole span of models here, too

I get Near East admix and Mediterranean as well. I continue to see mediterranean and near east signals with other G25 lists. And I don't think it's overlap with EEFs. I believe it came from later admixture events such as the Hellenistic Period, Roman, Crusades or a mix of all three. Some say it's my French and Belgian ancestry which may have something to do with it.

For you the Italic and Berber may just be the result of some minor mediterranean and near east gene flow into Britain during the Roman Period. It could be a combination of Neolithic Anatolian overlap and later admix into Britain during Roman times. Just speculation on my part.

 

[ssha_cha7]

I think that's a good explanation. In such a case I'd possibly consider them 'aggregates'. On the other hand, I do probably presume more knowledge about my tree than really exists.

Eurogenes has some pretty high Mediterranean values, too. Similar theories apply, outdated data, Celtic overlap, and so on

5% in your case looks pretty significant and perhaps traceable. Or perhaps not. Looks a lot like the Baltic bent to my Swedes. Not too many matches but it models well

 

[ssha_cha7]

Then again modeled by Lithuania. It seems as Germanics they were closer to Danes than Swedes properly, and likewise had some similarity to Finns and Balts.

But anyway that's my on going task. Find out about this very specific branch, seemingly, apparently, from a Bashkir and a person from Lapland.

 

[qh777]

Then again modeled by Lithuania. It seems as Germanics they were closer to Danes than Swedes properly, and likewise had some similarity to Finns and Balts.

But anyway that's my on going task. Find out about this very specific branch, seemingly, apparently, from a Bashkir and a person from Lapland.

Any Baltic you are seeing may be from the late neolithic when Corded Ware groups from the Baltic migrated to Scandinavia and mixed with the locals. Or it could be more recent ancestry from interactions between Scandinavia and the Baltic during the Viking Age.

I match this individual and he was buried in Estonia



Estonia_EarlyViking.SG:VK554_noUDG.SG,0.140002,0.112724,0.080327,0.071383,0.051702,0.024542,0.009165,0.008769,-0.001023,-0.007107,-0.008282,-0.003297,0.000297,-0.010046,0.020222,0.018165,0.007562,-0.003294,0.005782,0.006378,0.01435,0.001607,-0.003451,0.014821,-0.002634

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/pdf/10.1098/rspb.2019.1528

 

[ssha_cha7]

Any Baltic you are seeing may be from the late neolithic when Corded Ware groups from the Baltic migrated to Scandinavia and mixed with the locals. Or it could be more recent ancestry from interactions between Scandinavia and the Baltic during Viking Age perhaps.

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/pdf/10.1098/rspb.2019.1528

I do think that's spot on. Going by the lack of matches, and various data...

*5.5% Baltic MyHeritage
*2% Baltic FTDNA
*2.4% Baltic Hunter Gatherer
*Closest matches to VK Saaremaa samples

I'd deduce it's almost none to do with modern times. And about half has to do with Viking age travels, half with earlier migrations.

Seems it may be a slightly above average accumulation but I'd have to look at a few results to really say. Only 21% of Swedish-nationality kits register Baltic at all, on MyHeritage.

Probably the extra couple of percent by this model is slight Scandinavian Finnic or Slavic or really anything possibly picked up by modern Lithuanian samples. But I'm simply guessing

 

[ssha_cha7]

This evening's models were irresponsible, almost certainly misleading, incorrect, and poorly arranged. Happy to share them.

Interestingly I read distance changes the "timeline", that 0.05 has an older perspective than 2.0. All along I thought it had to do with grouping of results. Or perhaps it's neither of these.

Anyway it's a continued exploration of these mysterious Laplanders and their genetic group who you may see migrated from 1600s Finland to 1900s Norway. And given my inclination to score Ingria, perhaps from there long ago.

My use of 0.05, and even Chebyshev, may upset some.

What amazes me is I tested to discover only this branch. MyHeritage gave me a genetic group, and even told me their name. I'm one of the lucky ones perhaps