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I try to make as simple as it can be on how PIE language is reconstructed<br>
what words were used to certify the changes from PIE to modern languages,<br>
<br>
what is a loan, and when we may understand when a word is a loan.<br>
<br>
etc <br>
<br>
<br>
I will use the more familliar language to me English <br>
and some Latin <br>
I am not familiar to Indo-Iranian-Aryan languages,<br>
<br>
<br>
so <strong>lets make some observartions</strong> among my mother language<br>
and English <br>
<br>
<strong><br>
Greek</strong> ............................. <strong>English</strong><br>
Πους POD-os .......................FOOT ........ .... Π(P)->F Δ(D)->Τ<br>
Πορδη .................................Fart ..................Π(P)->F Δ(D)->Τ<br>
Oδοντας ..............................Tooth ................Δ(D)->Τ <br>
<br>
the more we see that change, the more we are certain that these words, come from a language that split, <br>
that is a language previous than English and Greek, <strong>possible a group</strong>, like Germanic group, Celtic group, Slavic-group,<br>
the more 'back' combining groups etc we find Late IE forms and language, <br>
Finally we reach a level that is called Proto-IE.<br>
<br>
<br>
<strong>Now lets see the Loan word,<br>
</strong><br>
ok today we all use the words Pottato παττατα chips<br>
or the word Computer κομπιουτερ etc etc,<br>
but we know that are not native in our languages, well maybe compatible to some.<br>
<br>
How do we can distinguish a loan,<br>
<br>
I will use Greek and Latin here,<br>
<br>
<strong>Greek</strong> <strong>Latin English </strong><br>
Βαινω Veni go, <strong>W</strong>ent<br>
Βουλομαι Volo Velit my <strong>W</strong>ill<br>
<br>
so here we see Greek B to be V in Latin,<br>
<br>
so the Greek IE word Βασιλευς in Latin should be Vasil-, if both words came from the exact same group/root of a previous language<br>
<strong>BUT IT IS NOT,<br>
<br>
</strong>so what went wrong,<br>
by combining other languages, we find a more correct form<br>
in the example I will use syllabic Linear B Mycenean<br>
Qa-Si-RE-us is a Mycenean form which helps us understand that in Greek we have a non expected aspiration.<br>
Qa-Ba,<br>
simmilar we find in the word for cattle Βους Βοδι,<br>
it seems like the earlier form/sound of IE was like 'qw-' or 'kw-' and turn to Greek as B (kw* -> B)<br>
so Greek Basileus is IE But Unique since in other IE languages we see the qa-si-re-us as Crown King Kralj Regem Queenn etc <br>
<br>
so when in GREEk/LATIN we see a word with B=B or V=V instead of B=V we thing of a different root=different earlier aspiration, an anomaly, or a <strong>LOAN<br>
</strong>only by that we understand for example that the word Basilica = Cathedral and architectural rythm of a temple, is a loan from Greek to Latin,.<br>
<br>
<br>
<strong>plz NOTICE<br>
</strong>the above is an effort to understand as simple as it can be done the differences among IE languages and how these work.<br>
any effort to correct me or to advance the thread is welcomed
what words were used to certify the changes from PIE to modern languages,<br>
<br>
what is a loan, and when we may understand when a word is a loan.<br>
<br>
etc <br>
<br>
<br>
I will use the more familliar language to me English <br>
and some Latin <br>
I am not familiar to Indo-Iranian-Aryan languages,<br>
<br>
<br>
so <strong>lets make some observartions</strong> among my mother language<br>
and English <br>
<br>
<strong><br>
Greek</strong> ............................. <strong>English</strong><br>
Πους POD-os .......................FOOT ........ .... Π(P)->F Δ(D)->Τ<br>
Πορδη .................................Fart ..................Π(P)->F Δ(D)->Τ<br>
Oδοντας ..............................Tooth ................Δ(D)->Τ <br>
<br>
the more we see that change, the more we are certain that these words, come from a language that split, <br>
that is a language previous than English and Greek, <strong>possible a group</strong>, like Germanic group, Celtic group, Slavic-group,<br>
the more 'back' combining groups etc we find Late IE forms and language, <br>
Finally we reach a level that is called Proto-IE.<br>
<br>
<br>
<strong>Now lets see the Loan word,<br>
</strong><br>
ok today we all use the words Pottato παττατα chips<br>
or the word Computer κομπιουτερ etc etc,<br>
but we know that are not native in our languages, well maybe compatible to some.<br>
<br>
How do we can distinguish a loan,<br>
<br>
I will use Greek and Latin here,<br>
<br>
<strong>Greek</strong> <strong>Latin English </strong><br>
Βαινω Veni go, <strong>W</strong>ent<br>
Βουλομαι Volo Velit my <strong>W</strong>ill<br>
<br>
so here we see Greek B to be V in Latin,<br>
<br>
so the Greek IE word Βασιλευς in Latin should be Vasil-, if both words came from the exact same group/root of a previous language<br>
<strong>BUT IT IS NOT,<br>
<br>
</strong>so what went wrong,<br>
by combining other languages, we find a more correct form<br>
in the example I will use syllabic Linear B Mycenean<br>
Qa-Si-RE-us is a Mycenean form which helps us understand that in Greek we have a non expected aspiration.<br>
Qa-Ba,<br>
simmilar we find in the word for cattle Βους Βοδι,<br>
it seems like the earlier form/sound of IE was like 'qw-' or 'kw-' and turn to Greek as B (kw* -> B)<br>
so Greek Basileus is IE But Unique since in other IE languages we see the qa-si-re-us as Crown King Kralj Regem Queenn etc <br>
<br>
so when in GREEk/LATIN we see a word with B=B or V=V instead of B=V we thing of a different root=different earlier aspiration, an anomaly, or a <strong>LOAN<br>
</strong>only by that we understand for example that the word Basilica = Cathedral and architectural rythm of a temple, is a loan from Greek to Latin,.<br>
<br>
<br>
<strong>plz NOTICE<br>
</strong>the above is an effort to understand as simple as it can be done the differences among IE languages and how these work.<br>
any effort to correct me or to advance the thread is welcomed
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