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Thor said:Why would you ever want to smoke to begin with? Smoke is bad for your lungs.
Thor said:Hah, I guess self-destruction is a popular hobby among humans.
lastmagi said:I voted, Never have, never will.
I've known people who have, though. My respect for them knows no bounds. Lower bounds, that is.
Seriously though, I just don't like the idea of getting myself in some kind of drug-induced high. I especially don't like the idea of making a fool of myself. There are other ways to relax myself.
strongvoicesforward said:Yes, and employing arguments of futility and bringing other points in to cloud the issue is also a trait common to many without the discipline to stay focused on the topic at hand.
Example:
Smoking is bad for you. It (nicotene and the carcinegens put in tobacco) is a bad drug that causes lung cancer and other health problems so it therefore should be banned or severely regulated.
Undisciplined reply:
But so is drinking. If we are going to do that to smoking then we should do it to drinking also. Besides, we all have to die someday. Everything is bad if you abuse it.
strongvoicesforward said:It is undisciplined when things are always being linked to others just so that no headway can be made on an issue. It boggs things down and doesn`t let advancement on individual issues. Things can be tackeled on their own accord.
Smoking pot or cigs is irrelevant to drinking. Reminds me of the childish tantrums kids have when they are grounded:
"Why do I get grounded for staying out after 11? You didn`t ground Julie for not buckling her seatbelt yesterday. Both are dangerous. I don`t think I should get grounded for staying out after 11 until the punishment is also fixed for Julie not wearing her seatbelt."
I wise parent wouldn`t get detracted by such an argument (or debate <snicker>).
Tokis-Phoenix said:Why do you think drinking is such a different situation from smoking?
I think they are linked to each other in taking action- its like a debate saying horses should only legally be allowed to live to 10yrs old, while zebras or ponies can be allowed to live to 20. You are basically saying you shouldn't compare the two as although they are a similar situation, you don't want them to be compared so that a verdict is reached quicker- while i think they should be compared, as it opens up a different perspective on the same situation and questions why they should be treated differently at all. Why should the horse only get 10yrs of life when the zebra is getting 20? Or would you also feel unhappy in that situation is somone brought that example up?strongvoicesforward said:Wrongs come from both. But, that doesn`t mean they are to be linked to each other in deciding to take action. In fact, they should be tackeled on their own accord.
Just as tackling the problem of tobacco should be tackeled separately from the fight on pot because pot is listed as an illegal substance.
Again, linking things bogg things down and is the recipe for non-action. Refer to "child grounding" story above.
Tokis-Phoenix said:its like a debate saying horses should only legally be allowed to live to 10yrs old, while zebras or ponies can be allowed to live to 20.
strongvoicesforward said:Strawman argument. That situation never exists. Try again.
strongvoicesforward said:It is not a real world example.
Furthermore, ad hominem comments about our intelligence will do nothing to further the conversation. I have not directed comments personally at your intelligence, please show some discipline. Most don`T want to view a conversation sliding down that route.
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