The Celts of Iberia

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Bagpipes is not equivalent of Celtic music. Actually the bagpipes are not of celtic origin. However, none of these countries have Celtic folkore

This issue is very muddy. I think it created a great marketing today. And the hymns or songs displayed here from different Spanish regions are relatively modern and current bands Celtic music from Spain and other countries follow the patterns of Irish music. I do not agree to use the song to demonstrate the celticity of this or that territory, is a personal opinion because there are bagpipes in many places but the pipes you can make it sound like you want.
 
What are you talking about? Don't you know that the Celts were not aristocratic and that they held no underclass of workers under the warrior class?

Why, they were the original marxists!:LOL:

Well, not marxists. The correct term is communalist.

In my region there existed a political formula of self government of villages until the 1970's.
From then on the national parties forced their members to enter elections under the official party name.
Now that the national parties are in shambles, there is again a regional tendency to form the traditional council again.

You can see it as a local 1 party system where people are elected, not some ideology.
 
This issue is very muddy. I think it created a great marketing today. And the hymns or songs displayed here from different Spanish regions are relatively modern and current bands Celtic music from Spain and other countries follow the patterns of Irish music. I do not agree to use the song to demonstrate the celticity of this or that territory, is a personal opinion because there are bagpipes in many places but the pipes you can make it sound like you want.

You're repeatig the same argument of your countryman Sirious2b now, uh? Epic fail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgjZxQLiv7k (--> this is a piece from "Cantigas of Alfonso X of Castilla", from 1221 to 1284).

This is not irish music, this is spanish folk music from the middle age.

The Cantigas of Alfonso X are very famous all over Spain so your attemting to pass as a spaniard have been frustrated once more. ;)


Regards.
 
No buffoon, "Rosa das rosas" is a song dedicated to Virgin Mary, in that video you posted is being "covered" by some french clowns.

Here is the original version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgjZxQLiv7k

It is supposed to be more like a gregorian chant.

Rose of roses and flower of flowers,
Lady of ladies, Lord of lords.

Rose of beauty and fine appearance
And flower of happiness and pleasure,
lady of most merciful bearing,
And Lord for relieving all woes and cares;

Such a Mistress everybody should love,
For she can ward away any evil
And she can pardon any sinner
To create a better savor in this world.

We should love and serve her loyally,
For she can guard us from falling;
She makes us repent the errors
That we have committed as sinners:

This lady whom I acknowledge as my Master
And whose troubadour I'd gladly be,
If I could in any way possess her love,
I'd give up all my other lovers.


Regards.
 
Well... The word "troubadour" says enough.
Calling me a buffoon?

Troubadours were from the North of Spain and the South of France.
So my version is probably more the original.

I just gave hint, you wise guy!
 
Troubadours were born in Occitania. Alfonso X of CASTILLE was not occitanian. And the "arabesque" music you posted is not the best example of troubadour music, buffoon.

Vete a pedir limosna a alguna esquina en vez de editar tus post trolescos 1000 veces.
 
Portuguese folk music:
Central Portugal - modified ancient folk song. Majority traditional Portuguese / Iberian instruments.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLqn4BM7-Ns

"Our grandmothers and great grandmothers or great-grandmothers sang that?

Iberia roots are as shown in this video, you do not like parrots imitate sounds Irish or Welsh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc9ybcSjKpU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6Wxv6Ix6RU&playnext=1&list=PLF8BFB3A084C58367

Anda y que te doy con la mano el almirez.
 
The music in that video is from british pop band "Coldplay", mexicanito. :rolleyes: Obviously you are not going to post a video with spanish folk music being played in the background:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLzlD6PRgR8

Vete a postear gilipolleces a otro lado frijolito.

That's galician folk music not irish, mexicanito. Go post your garbage elsewhere. You latin americans are really giving a great image of your continent in this forum.

Regards.
 
"Our grandmothers and great grandmothers or great-grandmothers sang that?

Iberia roots are as shown in this video, you do not like parrots imitate sounds Irish or Welsh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc9ybcSjKpU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6Wxv6Ix6RU&playnext=1&list=PLF8BFB3A084C58367

Anda y que te doy con la mano el almirez.
Irish ?? The Muñeira Ribeirana has been documented in the XVI century already. And all the Cantigas of Alfonso X are of the 13th century. Middle-ages.
 
You can't expect anything else from someone educated in the Third World. These poor illiterates must be thinking that any music played with a bagpipe is irish music.

Ramon Garc?a Tuero (1864 - 1932): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bU_29sgszI

The sound quality is quite poor but this record is old as hell.
 
From: URL
http://www.ehow.com/about_6301258_history-irish-bagpipes.html

History of Irish History of Irish Bagpipes.

Origins : Engraved Chaldean sculptures dating from 4000 BC contain the oldest known evidence of bagpipes.

Irish Celts did not utilize bappipes until after the Anglo-=Norman invasions of the the 12th century.

URL A History of English population

http://www.localhistories.org/population.html

The population of Ireland in 43 AD is not known but an educated guess is about 1/2 million etc.

Very small Gene pool! And not every single Celt had the same Y-DNA nor MTDNA haplotype nor subclades (obviously).

It is estimated that 14 percent of Canadians are of Irish ancestry. In the USA about 35 million claim Irish descent.


We are all related!!

Why are you guys all behaving like children about genetics and cultures, and countries? There is such a thing as Immigration and migration that has been going on since we all came OUT OF AFRICA and still going on.



Melusine
 
Why are you guys all behaving like children about genetics and cultures, and countries? There is such a thing as Immigration and migration that has been going on since we all came OUT OF AFRICA and still going on.

Melusine

No, not all of us. Some (more than presumably latin american trolls) are trying to ruin the thread with trolling and childish post, and others and trying to post serious info with credited sources.

Regards.
 
When looking on the history of Ancient Celtic music in Iberia :

Chant

Sallust mentions the Spanish custom of ancestral songs honoring their military deeds.[49] The recital of "barbaric songs" is reported for a member of the Celtiberian infantry during the battle of Cannae in 216 BC, as he was attacked by the Roman consul.[36] National songs are already attested by Tacitus for the Caledonians.[50] Livius reports Gallic war songs that were heard at the river Allia.


Percussion and dance

"Crotales (hand bells) made of bronze or wood as well as terracotta rattles are known since the Bronze Age, some of which came in the shape of birds.[35] Closed bells were sometimes built with a ring and could be strapped to the player's apparel. Weapons and shields—apart from their use for rhythmic noises on the battlefields—must have been widely adopted as percussion instruments, but the only sources in this respect are on the Gallaecian and Celtiberian culture: In his epic on the second Punic war Silius mentions the exotic songs of the Gallaecian military allies, to which they beat the rhythm on their shields.[36] Celtiberian weapon dances are reported for the funeral of Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus.[37] The most famous dances of Hispania however were performed by the Gaditanae, the women of Gades in Hispania Baetica,[38] which were so popular in Rome that special teachers from Spain were hired for Roman music education.[39] The dancers used hand clappers as an accompanying instrument, creating a lascivious dance similar to modern-day castanet performances. If the Celts used drumming instruments like the Roman tympanum is unknown, but very likely, because other forms of hand drums like the ceramic German Honsommern Drum, which was similar to the African djembe, are known since the Neolithic. A later Iron Age drum is the Malemort Drum found in the central French Corrèze region
 
Irish ?? The Muñeira Ribeirana has been documented in the XVI century already. And all the Cantigas of Alfonso X are of the 13th century. Middle-ages.

It's as traditional NW Spanish as you can get. There are similarities with respect to folk music between regions along the Atlantic Facade but it's ridiculous to suggest, as some do, that everything is "Irish music", whatever that means.
 
No, not all of us. Some (more than presumably latin american trolls) are trying to ruin the thread with trolling and childish post, and others and trying to post serious info with credited sources.
Regards.

I consider you a troll too.

I now know why my ancestors fought a 80 year war against stupid Spanish freaks.
 
Troubadours were born in Occitania. Alfonso X of CASTILLE was not occitanian. And the "arabesque" music you posted is not the best example of troubadour music, buffoon.

Vete a pedir limosna a alguna esquina en vez de editar tus post trolescos 1000 veces.

You're very lame.
Read some books.

And speak English..
Don't be a buffoon.
 
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