The diverse genetic origins of a Classical period Greek army

Palermo Trapani said:
I ran my distances against Sample HIMOO1 (using my G25 simulated coordinates). So not the within 0.03 for an exact match but also not super far away (not surprising given Greek impact on Southern Italy/Sicily). Would be interesting to see how close in terms of ancestry the Iron Age Himera samples from Sicily are to the 25 Iron Age Greeks in paper KingDavid mentioned in post #309.

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Hope they'll publish them soon
 
Ralphie Boy said:
FYI another old J-L70 is reported in Family Tree DNA, from Egypt in a Byzantine cultural setting. Not sure if it’s been published yet. Other old L70 samples were also in a Byzantine setting (Southern Arc study), from southeast and southwest Anatolia.

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Thanks a lot. I knew about the Byzantine Egyptian, I also have access to FTDNA, I don´t know if it was already published or not. There are some other Byzantines that belongs to J-L70 in the Anatolian peninsula. Specially on the Mugla Province, on the Aegean shores.
 
so HIM001 was under y haplogroup G
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a future dna paper ;)
don't know when it will be publish
iron age greeks- 100 samples

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He told me it should be published by the beginning of next year. I bet we will find quite a lot of HG J2 L70 on classic greek samples, like it is today on the Greek islands and on southern Italy.
 
IIRC
The 2 x T1a2b where brothers with origins from Taranto and where mercenaries
i cannot remember if their origins pre Taranto where from Argos greece
 
Juan.delajara said:
He told me it should be published by the beginning of next year. I bet we will find quite a lot of HG J2 L70 on classic greek samples, like it is today on the Greek islands and on southern Italy.
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sounds logic
i predict we going to see also r1b-z2103, j2b ,j2a,G, j1,L,I2 and maybe this time also e-v13


p.s
100 samples is nice number not huge though
if lets say half of them are males
it good enough to see the general picture of that area during that time
 
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kingdavid said:
sounds logic
i predict we going to see also r1b-z2103, j2b ,j2a,G, j1,L,I2 and maybe this time also e-v13


p.s
100 samples is nice number not huge though
if lets say half of them are males
it good enough to see the general picture of that area during that time
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Well, it’s a port of a big city which during that time had an empire. Which is essentially like an airport. Hence I would suggest one will also find outliers. North Europeans, East Europeans, perhaps even (North) Africans. Haplogroups which you may not find anymore today.

Curious to see how Mycenaean the bulk will be.
 
kingdavid said:
sounds logic
i predict we going to see also r1b-z2103, j2b ,j2a,G, j1,L,I2 and maybe this time also e-v13


p.s
100 samples is nice number not huge though
if lets say half of them are males
it good enough to see the general picture of that area during that time
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Perhaps also T-CTS933 subbranches, like S27463 and CTS3767. They were found in Himera of the Classical era, Kastrouli of the Iron Age/Archaic era and Marathon in Roman times. This haplogroup was not found among Mycenaeans, IIRC. Maybe it came during or just after the Mycenaean collapse.
 
Dianatomia said:
Well, it’s a port of a big city which during that time had an empire. Which is essentially like an airport. Hence I would suggest one will also find outliers. North Europeans, East Europeans, perhaps even (North) Africans. Haplogroups which you may not find anymore today.

Curious to see how Mycenaean the bulk will be.
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You got a point
Who knows what pandora box will be found
For example :
In himera 480bc they found y haplogroup N
Against all odds :)
I don't know though if phaleron was that diverse
 
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