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I'm not sure when or where Bell Beaker people split away from other Yamnayan-related R1b groups in Europe. I'm guessing it occurred at some point between 4,000 BC and the collapse of the Cucuteni culture and its replacement by the Yamnayan culture (3,300 BC); R1b-L51 Bell Beaker shows clear affinity with G2a-PF3345 Cucuteni remnants, and only minor admixture with other European Neolithic groups.
Would it be fair to ask you what the other R1b groupings are?
First, we have the Bell Beaker grouping, which appears to be R1b-L51, with R1b-U152 as the leading branch, both among Italics and Celts (please correct me if I am wrong). Affiliated with this Bell Beaker group are the other Cucuteni remnant groups, G2a-L497, G2a-CTS342, E-V13, and certain subclades of I2a (do we know which subclades?).
Aside from this group, what are the other R1b groupings? Which R1b groupings are considered "core" Yamnaya?
Wherever Indo-European originated, it looks like it was spread quite widely by different R1b and R1a populations, and not just Yamnayans.
And therefore we can hypothesize that Italic & Celtic languages are not descendent from Yamnayan language, but from an ancestral tongue more broadly spoken by all R1b & R1a peoples. Further, proto-Italic and proto-Celtic probably began to develop within the Cuceteni cultural matrix. This must surely also have some implications for the Romanian language, which is perhaps not as indebted to Latin as imagined. Of course I am speculating very freely here