adamo
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I believe that haplogroup J2a3b (M-67) was spread to north-central Italy via the Caucasus region, at low levels, of course. The highest global concentration of J-M67 takes place in Georgia, Azerbaijan and Armenia. The only other comparable region ( still having less J2a3b than the aforementioned countries of course) is north-central Italy. It is my belief that J2a3b originated in the Caucasus region and was subsequently spread to north-central Italy by the Etruscans, a people's that almost certainly had a substratum of M-67 within them. In fact, both culturally and linguistically, I have always associated the Etruscans to Armenians to a certain degree. Then there is our beloved J2a3b1 also known as M-92. To me, it is a "son" of the M67 lineage, having originated after it. It is found only in south-central Italy ( with higher frequencies as you descend south) and of course, in western Anatolia ( turkey). This solidifies a definite link between southern Italians and ANATOLIANS....oddly though, the area once inhabited by the Lydians ( western turkey) , is a hotspot for M-92 , placing them closer to southern and not north-central Italians. Seemingly although, this area where Etruria was set-up, in Tuscany ( north-central) is well within the M-67 italian hotspot, thus, in my opinion, placing the "etrurians" much closer to ancient Caucasian people's ( modern day Georgians, Armenians, Azeris) than to Turks ( all of this, at low frequencies, of course.) Then there is J2b, known as M-12 or J-M102. It has a definite global hot-spot in the extreme southern Balkans ( most notably Greece, albania, parts of Macedonia) where it originated. It spread to southern Italy at lower levels with the establishment of magna Grecia cities in southern Italy, along with other forms of j2. To me, J2b is characteristically Greco-Albanian and then subsequently spread out to a few regions from there. Then we have J2b1, known as M-205. It is an extremely low level percentage offshoot of its father J2b and, oddly enough, is only really found at low percentages (3% or so) on a skinny stretch of the western coast of Asia Minor and at even lower percentages in isolated regions of eastern Greece and southern Bulgaria and Thrace. To me, it represents some of the Greeks that established themselves in colonies off of western turkey ( Miletus, Halicarnassus etc.) where this sub-subclade probably originated. Note that even though J-M92 is found in western Anatolia, not to far from this stretch of coast where J2b1 is found, no J2b1 is present in Italy ( whereas M-92 is) and much MUCH lower levels of M-92 are found in Greece than in either southern Italy or western turkey. Feel free to debate and further discuss this fascinating topic! : )