The worlds first gold objects.

[Aberdeen]

maybe the flooding was the Persian Gulf, that was dry land during ice ages
maybe something similar happened like Doggerland in the North Sea

That makes no sense at all. I suggest you buy yourself an atlas, one that shows topography.

 

[bicicleur 2]

That makes no sense at all. I suggest you buy yourself an atlas, one that shows topography.

the results of 2 minutes googling :

http://rses.anu.edu.au/geodynamics/AnnRep/95/AR-Geod95.html

The Persian Gulf. Results for the Persian Gulf are illustrated in Figure 3. From the peak of the glaciation until about 14,000 years BP the Gulf was free from marine influence out to the edge of the Biaban Shelf but the potential existed for extensive shallow lakes and swamps on the Gulf floor along the ancient bed of the Euphrates-Tigris river system throughout Late Glacial time. By about 12,500 years ago the marine incursion into the Central Basin had started and the western Basin flooded about 1000 years later. Much of the southern and northern sides of the Gulf remained dry until about 9000 years BP. The present shorelines was reached shortly before 6000 years ago and exceeded as relative sea-level rose 1-2 m above its present level primarily in response to the hydro-isostatic adjustment of the Earth, inundating the very low areas of lower Mesopotamia.

Figure 3: Reconstruction of the palaeoshorelines and palaeobathymetry for the Persian Gulf at 12,000 years ago. The lower part of the Gulf is first flooded at about 13,000 years BP but large freshwater lakes could have developed in several locations within the valley floor. Large shallow depressions also occur on the southern margin of the present Gulf.


The region at the northern end of the present Gulf and at the junction of the Euphrates and Tigris Rivers was settled by the early Sumerians during the fourth millennium BC but the origin of this civilisation has raised many questions. Whatever directions the search for answers may take, a significant element in the puzzle must be the evolution of the physical environment of the Gulf itself. For example, during Palaeolithic (before about 8000 years BC) and Mesolithic and Neolithic (from 8000 to about 5000 years BC) times much of the Gulf floor would have been exposed (Figure 3) and the broad river valley with lakes and marshes in the flatter regions, would have formed a natural route for people moving westwards from east of Iran. Is this the route travelled by the ancestors of the Sumerians? Another example is that excavations at Ur and elsewhere have led to evidence of a flooding event at about 4000-3000 BC and it is tempting to associate the Sumerian `Flood' legend with the peak of the Holocene transgression during the flooding of the low-lying delta region when sea levels rose perhaps a few meters above present between about 6000 and 3000 years BP.

 

[Aberdeen]

Okay, bicicleur, based on the fact that you quoted a comment by Maciamo about how the Black Sea could have been flooded, I thought you were suggesting that water from the Persian Gulf flooded the Black Sea, which makes no sense, IMO, since there are and were some mountains in the way. But if you're suggesting that the flood myths in the area related to flooding in what is now southern Iraq and the Persian Gulf, that's possibile but it doesn't have anything to do with the flooding of the Black Sea and the introduction of salt water from the Mediterranean into what had been a fresh water lake, which definitely did happen. There are things like the shells of fresh water snails on the floor of the Black Sea that are pretty much impossible to explain except in terms of other evidence showing that the Black Sea was at one point a smaller fresh water lake. The only question mark that some of the archeologists have is whether Pitman and Ryan are correct in the date they assigned to the event, since dating things found on the bottom of a lake or sea is tricky. Some have argued for an earlier date for the Mediterranean to have flooded over the Bosphorus whereas others have argued that the Black Sea could have initially filled with fresh water from glaciers and rivers, overflowed into the Bosphorus and triggered inflow from the Mediterranean. Maciamo's comments are quite pertinent in terms of that latter hypothesis. Debating where the flood myths came from doesn't really change the fact that the Black Sea was once a smaller, fresh water lake that became a much larger salt water sea, no doubt destroying many settlements around its rim. How fast that happened would have determined whether that change caused an apocalypse or a gradual move to higher ground. And the need for refugees from a lost civilization to relocate would explain those advanced gold artifacts seeming to appear out of nowhere - the civilization that created them was build on the foundation of an earlier civilization whose towns are now under the Black Sea. Just as good a candidate for flood myths as flooding in southern Iraq and much more relevant to this thread, IMO.

 

[bicicleur 2]

And the need for refugees from a lost civilization to relocate would explain those advanced gold artifacts seeming to appear out of nowhere

this gold and this civilization did not come from nowhere, it started more west, in eastern Serbia/Albania 7500 years ago :

http://www.metalurgija.org.rs/mjom/vol12/No%202-3/2Sljivar.pdf they knew how to melt copper from azurite and malchite ore there appeared coppper mines all over the Balkans, and they learned to work with other ores too : http://antiquity.ac.uk/Ant/087/1030/ant0871030.pdf the gold was a byproduct of the copper as it was found near the copper ores, and it was worked by the same miths

 

[LeBrok]

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/trave...n-journeys-travel-quarterly-180958733/?no-ist