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I opened up a thread on Anthrogenica some days ago and want to share my own research and the contributions made there here as well - the uploaded map is the newest version I made: E_V13_estimates.jpg
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?25094-E-V13-Frequency-Maps-and-Data

Unfortunately the quality being quite reduced in the upload process. Here is a higher quality link: https://ibb.co/FnVdPwv


Since I saw nice maps for other haplogroups, I wanted to produce a more updated map for E-V13. Maciamo or others surely can do better, but their current maps being outdated or lack data on the regional level which I consider to be important.
If there is only E1b1b available, I did estimate E-V13 about 60-70 % (~ 65 %) for more Northern countries, based on the Austrian proportions, were subclades were available and if there are clear macro-regional trends, I fill from the spots available until more data comes in. Its just sketchy in some parts, any corrections or new data being welcomed. Please not that this is just to give a general impression. For a lot of regions not detailed subclades are known, so it has to rely on estimates for E-V13 or different studies yielded conflicting results.
Another issue is that some subdivisions on this map are not ideal. Like I know that the Bavarian average is misleading, because Franconia, Munich and Swabia has by far more E-V13 than the typical Bavarian core of the rural countryside. East Tyrol has much less E-V13 than Northern Tyrol and so on.
Its just to give a general impression with updated and more region specific data, as far as I could gather it. Countries without any differentation by region being the result of no available regional data at hands. This is especially true for France, Portugal, England, Belgium, Netherlands etc.

Please no bashing, if you know better or have better data to share, just contribute!

Also, if anybody has a better map down to the provincial level, just share. I just didn't find one to this point.



In case I can't edit this posting any more, any newer update will be posted on the following pages.

Data gathered from the following threads and studies:

Austria:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?21093-Austrian-Y-DNA-haplogroups

Switzerland:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread...rigin-of-E-V13&p=809082&viewfull=1#post809082

Czechia and Slovakia:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?20915-Czech-Population-Genetics-and-Regional-Differences

Slovenia:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread...rigin-of-E-V13&p=809097&viewfull=1#post809097
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread...rigin-of-E-V13&p=809193&viewfull=1#post809193

Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Albania:
https://www.poreklo.rs/2019/06/12/y-dna-haplogroups-of-ethnic-serbs/

North Italian local samples, Frisians and English:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread...rigin-of-E-V13&p=809215&viewfull=1#post809215

Local German and Polish samples:
https://www.researchgate.net/public...alysis/link/0fcfd51235b36478b9000000/download

Poland:
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgene.2020.567309/full

Italy:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threa...of-E1b1b-subclades-in-Italy-(Boattini-et-al-)

Greek provinces, Western Anatolian Greeks, Provence:
https://www.researchgate.net/public...eek_colonization_of_the_western_Mediterranean

Greeks:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/26644-Y-DNA-haplogroups-of-Greeks-by-region-of-origin

Greeks and Turkish Cypriots:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0179474#pone.0179474.s013

Turkey:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?24591-The-genetic-structure-of-Turkey
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread...rigin-of-E-V13&p=795055&viewfull=1#post795055

Albanians:
https://rrenjet.com/statistikat/

Romania and Moldova:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread...stribution-in-Romania-and-Republic-of-Moldova

Russia:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?25079-Russians-E-V13&p=811558#post811558

Bulgaria:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0056779

Data on various Slavic populations, Russians, Belorussians, Ukrainians etc. (Table K in S1 File):
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0135820

Sweden:
https://www.nature.com/articles/5201651/tables/1

France:
https://www.semanticscholar.org/pap...7279a8ad6b2f07f05a329113e3a22f92b5a7/figure/3

Basic informations also from:
https://www.nevgen.org/Europe_haplogroups_overview.html
 
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Riverman said:
I opened up a thread on Anthrogenica some days ago and want to share my own research and the contributions made there here as well - the uploaded map is the newest version I made: View attachment 12998
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?25094-E-V13-Frequency-Maps-and-Data

Unfortunately the quality being quite reduced in the upload process.


Since I saw nice maps for other haplogroups, I wanted to produce a more updated map for E-V13. Maciamo or others surely can do better, but their current maps being outdated or lack data on the regional level which I consider to be important.
If there is only E1b1b available, I did estimate E-V13 about 60-70 % (~ 65 %) for more Northern countries, based on the Austrian proportions, were subclades were available and if there are clear macro-regional trends, I fill from the spots available until more data comes in. Its just sketchy in some parts, any corrections or new data being welcomed. Please not that this is just to give a general impression. For a lot of regions not detailed subclades are known, so it has to rely on estimates for E-V13 or different studies yielded conflicting results.
Another issue is that some subdivisions on this map are not ideal. Like I know that the Bavarian average is misleading, because Franconia, Munich and Swabia has by far more E-V13 than the typical Bavarian core of the rural countryside. East Tyrol has much less E-V13 than Northern Tyrol and so on.
Its just to give a general impression with updated and more region specific data, as far as I could gather it. Countries without any differentation by region being the result of no available regional data at hands. This is especially true for France, Portugal, England, Belgium, Netherlands etc.

Please no bashing, if you know better or have better data to share, just contribute!

Also, if anybody has a better map down to the provincial level, just share. I just didn't find one to this point.



In case I can't edit this posting any more, any newer update will be posted on the following pages.

Data gathered from the following threads and studies:

Austria:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?21093-Austrian-Y-DNA-haplogroups

Switzerland:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread...rigin-of-E-V13&p=809082&viewfull=1#post809082

Czechia and Slovakia:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?20915-Czech-Population-Genetics-and-Regional-Differences

Slovenia:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread...rigin-of-E-V13&p=809097&viewfull=1#post809097
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread...rigin-of-E-V13&p=809193&viewfull=1#post809193

Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Albania:
https://www.poreklo.rs/2019/06/12/y-dna-haplogroups-of-ethnic-serbs/

North Italian local samples, Frisians and English:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread...rigin-of-E-V13&p=809215&viewfull=1#post809215

Local German and Polish samples:
https://www.researchgate.net/public...alysis/link/0fcfd51235b36478b9000000/download

Poland:
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgene.2020.567309/full

Italy:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threa...of-E1b1b-subclades-in-Italy-(Boattini-et-al-)

Greek provinces, Western Anatolian Greeks, Provence:
https://www.researchgate.net/public...eek_colonization_of_the_western_Mediterranean

Greeks:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/26644-Y-DNA-haplogroups-of-Greeks-by-region-of-origin

Greeks and Turkish Cypriots:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0179474#pone.0179474.s013

Turkey:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?24591-The-genetic-structure-of-Turkey
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread...rigin-of-E-V13&p=795055&viewfull=1#post795055

Albanians:
https://rrenjet.com/statistikat/

Romania and Moldova:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread...stribution-in-Romania-and-Republic-of-Moldova

Russia:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?25079-Russians-E-V13&p=811558#post811558

Bulgaria:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0056779

Data on various Slavic populations, Russians, Belorussians, Ukrainians etc. (Table K in S1 File):
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0135820

Sweden:
https://www.nature.com/articles/5201651/tables/1

France:
https://www.semanticscholar.org/pap...7279a8ad6b2f07f05a329113e3a22f92b5a7/figure/3

Basic informations also from:
https://www.nevgen.org/Europe_haplogroups_overview.html
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This is good ...........but its a modern breakup

Can you do only a BC times one?
 
torzio said:
This is good ...........but its a modern breakup

Can you do only a BC times one?
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Not really, I can only offer my main expansion theory for E-V13, which is based on Channelled Ware/G?va and its daughter cultures and fusions spreading it. It shows the distribution and spread of E-V13 in stages.
1st stage is red, it outlines the zone of survival and later build up, recovery of the presumably Neolithic survivor E-V13 in an Epi-Corded environment, developing into specific regional cultures. The final stage of this epicentre is the G?va-Holigrady culture and the associated Fluted Wares.These start to expand within and along with other Urnfield groups, which were not dominated by E-V13, just somewhat influenced by the South Eastern Urnfields, in the
2nd stage, which is green, which shows the expansion phase in the Late Bronze Age, where those Urnfield-related E-V13 lineages got the upper hand and became the dominant lineage.
The 3rd stage yellow is the maximal extent of this sphere of dominance, coming about in the Iron Age transition the early Iron to middle Iron Age period, which however shifted South, because other groups especially from the steppe (Cimmerians , Scythians, generally Iranian related) moved in and thinned the regional lineages there somewhat out. At this piont, the Thracian sphere might have had the highest percentage, keeping it into the later Iron Age and historical period.
The 4th stage, represented by yellow arrows, shows secondary expansions out of the established centres in Central and South Eastern Europe, along other groups, mostly in Urnfield related networks first, the Thraco-Cimmerian horizon and Hallstatt later, or within the Greek world.


Stages_E_V13.jpg
 
Nice work on the Map, you got Serbia Spot on, the northern part "vojvodina" have a region called Banat, E is the highets haplogroup there, then you got East Serbia very good its the second largest haplogroup with J2 has also in second place, i2 is the first but not with much, then you have south Serbia that also if am not mistaking the largest one
 
Riverman said:
I opened up a thread on Anthrogenica some days ago and want to share my own research and the contributions made there here as well - the uploaded map is the newest version I made: View attachment 12998
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?25094-E-V13-Frequency-Maps-and-Data

Unfortunately the quality being quite reduced in the upload process.


Since I saw nice maps for other haplogroups, I wanted to produce a more updated map for E-V13. Maciamo or others surely can do better, but their current maps being outdated or lack data on the regional level which I consider to be important.
If there is only E1b1b available, I did estimate E-V13 about 60-70 % (~ 65 %) for more Northern countries, based on the Austrian proportions, were subclades were available and if there are clear macro-regional trends, I fill from the spots available until more data comes in. Its just sketchy in some parts, any corrections or new data being welcomed. Please not that this is just to give a general impression. For a lot of regions not detailed subclades are known, so it has to rely on estimates for E-V13 or different studies yielded conflicting results.
Another issue is that some subdivisions on this map are not ideal. Like I know that the Bavarian average is misleading, because Franconia, Munich and Swabia has by far more E-V13 than the typical Bavarian core of the rural countryside. East Tyrol has much less E-V13 than Northern Tyrol and so on.
Its just to give a general impression with updated and more region specific data, as far as I could gather it. Countries without any differentation by region being the result of no available regional data at hands. This is especially true for France, Portugal, England, Belgium, Netherlands etc.

Please no bashing, if you know better or have better data to share, just contribute!

Also, if anybody has a better map down to the provincial level, just share. I just didn't find one to this point.



In case I can't edit this posting any more, any newer update will be posted on the following pages.

Data gathered from the following threads and studies:

Austria:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?21093-Austrian-Y-DNA-haplogroups

Switzerland:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread...rigin-of-E-V13&p=809082&viewfull=1#post809082

Czechia and Slovakia:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?20915-Czech-Population-Genetics-and-Regional-Differences

Slovenia:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread...rigin-of-E-V13&p=809097&viewfull=1#post809097
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread...rigin-of-E-V13&p=809193&viewfull=1#post809193

Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Albania:
https://www.poreklo.rs/2019/06/12/y-dna-haplogroups-of-ethnic-serbs/

North Italian local samples, Frisians and English:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread...rigin-of-E-V13&p=809215&viewfull=1#post809215

Local German and Polish samples:
https://www.researchgate.net/public...alysis/link/0fcfd51235b36478b9000000/download

Poland:
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgene.2020.567309/full

Italy:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threa...of-E1b1b-subclades-in-Italy-(Boattini-et-al-)

Greek provinces, Western Anatolian Greeks, Provence:
https://www.researchgate.net/public...eek_colonization_of_the_western_Mediterranean

Greeks:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/26644-Y-DNA-haplogroups-of-Greeks-by-region-of-origin

Greeks and Turkish Cypriots:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0179474#pone.0179474.s013

Turkey:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?24591-The-genetic-structure-of-Turkey
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread...rigin-of-E-V13&p=795055&viewfull=1#post795055

Albanians:
https://rrenjet.com/statistikat/

Romania and Moldova:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread...stribution-in-Romania-and-Republic-of-Moldova

Russia:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?25079-Russians-E-V13&p=811558#post811558

Bulgaria:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0056779

Data on various Slavic populations, Russians, Belorussians, Ukrainians etc. (Table K in S1 File):
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0135820

Sweden:
https://www.nature.com/articles/5201651/tables/1

France:
https://www.semanticscholar.org/pap...7279a8ad6b2f07f05a329113e3a22f92b5a7/figure/3

Basic informations also from:
https://www.nevgen.org/Europe_haplogroups_overview.html
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nice work, I would really love to have a higher resolution one, if you can be bothered to, please upload it to imgur.com, it is very easy and then you can share the link here
 
Nice, thank you.
 
Riv, maybe you should include Anatolia as well?
 
Hawk said:
Riv, maybe you should include Anatolia as well?
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I would have, but my focus was on Europe, I found this great site where I could just fill in and unfortunately I don't know whether its even possible.

Newest version with some corrections, especially for North Western Europe:
https://ibb.co/LkKp9CT
 
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Riverman said:
I would have, but my focus was on Europe, I found this great site where I could just fill in and unfortunately I don't know whether its even possible.

Newest version with some corrections, especially for North Western Europe:
https://ibb.co/LkKp9CT
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Not perfect, but maybe you can do it separately.

https://mapchart.net/turkey.html

Or, include some West Asian countries were you have data from, i have the feeling you can customly select countries based on continent.
 
Hawk said:
Not perfect, but maybe you can do it separately.

https://mapchart.net/turkey.html

Or, include some West Asian countries were you have data from, i have the feeling you can customly select countries based on continent.
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Yes, that's possible, but I won't work on it in the next time, unless you find an option to fuse the two maps (Europe and Anatolia-Caucasus), because my focus was on the general trend in the distribution. In Anatolia its rather going down smoothly from my impression.
 
ihype02 said:
How much E-V13 is there in Sardinia?
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Not much, ,most of it is in the North, some in Cagliari, otherwise very low and more E-M81. The exact numbers provided depend often on where the sample was taken from, but its definitely below 2 %, rather lower than in England for example.
 
Riverman said:
Not much, ,most of it is in the North, some in Cagliari, otherwise very low and more E-M81. The exact numbers provided depend often on where the sample was taken from, but its definitely below 2 %, rather lower than in England for example.
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you said in the past, unless I am mistaken.......that E-V13 came from the carpathian mountain range ............do you have any date for this ?...............could be be the 120000 men women and children of the Bastarnae that philip V of Macedon invited to settle in northern Paeonia and western Macedonia ?
 
torzio said:
you said in the past, unless I am mistaken.......that E-V13 came from the carpathian mountain range ............do you have any date for this ?...............could be be the 120000 men women and children of the Bastarnae that philip V of Macedon invited to settle in northern Paeonia and western Macedonia ?
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The date is 1.300-1.100 BC, in the LBA-EIA transition for the bulk of it and its related to the spread of G?va or in a wider sense Channelled Ware. The people related would be Daco-Thracians. Talking about later people of the same stock, that's Geto-Scythians, Thraco-Scythians, Karpi, Costobocci etc. and the Bastarnae surely got it some of it too, but I would rather bet on them having more I2 and less E-V13.
Anyway, we don't know for sure how strong E-V13 was in every province of G?va and Channelled Ware, what we do already know is that they came out on top in the successor groups of it, in Bosut-Basarabi and Psenichevo. That's pretty safe at this point. And we also know that other Daco-Thracians and related, Channelled Ware influenced people had it too, like in more Northern Pannonia and the Carpathian bow, into Moldova, but probably in some lower frequency than the Psenichevo-Basarabi core, that's unknown.
The secondary spread most likely was going primarily with Hallstatt and potentially the Greeks, because the Greeks got affected by Channelled Ware people too. However, in some regions the locals seem to have pushed them out again, so their legacy is uncertain.
 
Riverman said:
The date is 1.300-1.100 BC, in the LBA-EIA transition for the bulk of it and its related to the spread of G�va or in a wider sense Channelled Ware. The people related would be Daco-Thracians. Talking about later people of the same stock, that's Geto-Scythians, Thraco-Scythians, Karpi, Costobocci etc. and the Bastarnae surely got it some of it too, but I would rather bet on them having more I2 and less E-V13.
Anyway, we don't know for sure how strong E-V13 was in every province of G�va and Channelled Ware, what we do already know is that they came out on top in the successor groups of it, in Bosut-Basarabi and Psenichevo. That's pretty safe at this point. And we also know that other Daco-Thracians and related, Channelled Ware influenced people had it too, like in more Northern Pannonia and the Carpathian bow, into Moldova, but probably in some lower frequency than the Psenichevo-Basarabi core, that's unknown.
The secondary spread most likely was going primarily with Hallstatt and potentially the Greeks, because the Greeks got affected by Channelled Ware people too. However, in some regions the locals seem to have pushed them out again, so their legacy is uncertain.
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From Viminacium paper only E-V13 Z5017 has shown clear links with Thracian world.
 
Hawk said:
From Viminacium paper only E-V13 Z5017 has shown clear links with Thracian world.
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I think that is related to this specific tribal grouping in the area. I'm pretty sure if going over the Danube North or in any other direction, a greater variety would eventually pop up. I also think that since Hallstatt latest Pannonia was always inhabited at least by some E-V13 members, possibly since much earlier times, but this needs to be proven.
 
Newest version with some updates for the British Isles, to give the Isles some more structure:

E-V13-estimates.jpg


https://ibb.co/4Z575NM

There seems to be a correlation with Norman settlement in Southern Ireland.
 
E-V13 in Apulia and Abruzzo was likely increased by Western Balkanites fleeing Slavs and Turks during and after the Middle Ages.
 
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