Politics To Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Slovens, Hungarians..:wasn't life under socialism better?

[Ike]

Start to read again your posts here and the posts of Garrick, and you will see. My post censured by Big Brother had to do with the consequences of the fall of communism in the former Yugoslavia.

Must eliminate all hammers.

Even the posts the remained have nothing to do with the subject - you write about ISIS, Kurds, Serbian uprising of 1804, Ottomans, Pope Francis, Mother Theresa ... Just take all of that to a separate thread. It has nothing to do with the quality of life under communism in Albania or anywhere else.

 

[King Bardhyl]

It`s funy when you start to make the manipulator. People have all the possibility to read all with the exception of the famous post censured.
Btw can you help me in the mission of finding the real roots of Your King?

 

[Ike]

It`s funy when you start to make the manipulator. People have all the possibility to read all with the exception of the famous post censured.

Well if it makes you feel better, I'd delete a least 10 posts if I was a moderator. I guess he has no time to go through all our s**t.

Btw can you help me in the mission of finding the real roots of Your King?

He is not my king. I'm not Serbian. BTW, he was not a king but a Duke.

 

[Garrick]

Capitalism and freedom are not the same thing.
When some people will accumulate too many money,what guarantees that they will not try to enslave other people,what guarantees that these people will not use unlawful means to preserve their social status?
I do support liberty but I do not support capitalism as I do not support communism/bolshevik regime.
If you want to know which countries are most free from all world,well go take a look at Sweden,Norway,Denmark,Iceland and others like these.
These countries are neither capitalist,neither bolshevik but have very human regime,which respects the human beings a lot.
Neither capitalism,neither bolshevik regimes are respecting human beings .
Bolshevik and capitalist regimes are ill regimes,made by mentally ill people.
UK is not capitalist either,it has too much social protection for the people,to be a capitalist country.

I do support the small property of the people and the competition on the market,to keep the prices decent.
Now in bolshevik/communist regimes,the state decides with what price to sell some products.
But when we are saying "the state",it is clear that are some people ,a few people,which decides the prices.
In capitalism,some few companies are producing something.Do you think that they will be honest and not agree between them,with what price to sell the things that they are only producing?
So in capitalism,we have again a few people deciding what the price for a product should be.\
On the other hand,take freedom,with lots of small producers,you will find for sure plenty of people producing something and it will be quite impossible for them to reach a deal on the price of what they produce.
The price will drop,because of competition.
So here is how freedom and small property is clearly superior to both capitalism and bolshevik regimes.

But it takes some time, because there is a natural process of enlarging.

An this is no only in economy, and in the natural sciences too (for example in biology), it is universal.

Not all companies all the time to survive, the most able companies rise over time and displace others, some smaller companies survive by finding a special niche of market.

Of course process is very dynamic, some small companies are shutting down but new companies with new ideas enter the market.

And some large companies over time can run into difficulties if they cannot adapt new challenges.

 

[King Bardhyl]

Well if it makes you feel better, I'd delete a least 10 posts if I was a moderator. I guess he has no time to go through all our s**t.


He is not my king. I'm not Serbian. BTW, he was not a king but a Duke.

Well if it makes you feel better, I'd delete a least 10 posts if I was a moderator.

It`s not the question to fill better.
Well Ike in my life i have read a lot of books and you have to belive me after the Holocaust made against jews people , the second is the genocid against albanian people in the last 200 years. You and Garrick can make edit to your post.You can say evrything about me but pls not against my people.
If you read all my post you can find only one comment about serbs:"i think serbian people are serious people".

"I guess he has no time to go through all our s**t".

I think he is always ready with a hammer, because he think that the albanian are sinful nation and he sees albanian like nails.


"all our s**t".

It`s time. Let`s concentrate to the arguments and not to the persons. Let`s make a civil dialogue.

"I'm not Serbian".

May i ask you where are you from?


"He is not my king.BTW, he was not a king but a Duke".

Ok. You can give your contribute here: http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/30495-King-Karađorđe-Serbian-or-Albanian
Thank you.

 

[King Bardhyl]

Lol Bardhyl you think that a an automobile can be made only in large factories?
I will give an example,in Romania we have a small company,called Softronic that is producing electric locomotives.
They are doing quite well and they also produced now an electrical train,that they are using to transport people at decent speeds and prices.
What is again common in capitalism and bolshevik regime is producing lots of goods at large scale.
People are forced to choose between a very limited offer.
Maoism is not supporting small property,what are you talking there?
What I am talking here is about Scandinavian -like regimes which at the moment are best in the world.
Even a country with few resources like Finland with this kind of regime is having between best living standards in the world.
And a very well distributed wealth.
As I already said,both capitalism and bolshevik regimes are regimes made by mentally ill people.
In neither of these regimes (capitalism or bolshevik regimes) wealth is distributed,there is a leading class,controlling most goods,and a class of half-slaves which are working hard to maintain the status of the leading class.

Backyard furnaces

Main article: Backyard furnace
Backyard furnaces in China during the Great Leap Forward era.


With no personal knowledge of metallurgy, Mao encouraged the establishment of small backyard steel furnaces in every commune and in each urban neighborhood. Mao was shown an example of a backyard furnace in Hefei, Anhui in September 1958 by provincial first secretary Zeng Xisheng.^[28] The unit was claimed to be manufacturing high quality steel.^[28]
Huge efforts on the part of peasants and other workers were made to produce steel out of scrap metal. To fuel the furnaces the local environment was denuded of trees and wood taken from the doors and furniture of peasants' houses. Pots, pans, and other metal artifacts were requisitioned to supply the "scrap" for the furnaces so that the wildly optimistic production targets could be met. Many of the male agricultural workers were diverted from the harvest to help the iron production as were the workers at many factories, schools and even hospitals. Although the output consisted of low quality lumps of pig iron which was of negligible economic worth, Mao had a deep distrust of intellectuals and faith in the power of the mass mobilization of the peasants.
Moreover, the experience of the intellectual classes following the Hundred Flowers Campaign silenced those aware of the folly of such a plan. According to his private doctor, Li Zhisui, Mao and his entourage visited traditional steel works in Manchuria in January 1959 where he found out that high quality steel could only be produced in large-scale factories using reliable fuel such as coal. However, he decided not to order a halt to the backyard steel furnaces so as not to dampen the revolutionary enthusiasm of the masses. The program was only quietly abandoned much later in that year.


Photograph


Backyard steel furnaces were used by the people of China during the Great Leap Forward (1958–62).^[1][2] These small steel blast furnaces were constructed in the backyards of the communes, hence their names. People used every type of fuel they could to power these furnaces, from coal to the wood of coffins. Where iron ore was unavailable, they melted any steel objects they could get their hands on, including pots and pans, and even bicycles, to make steel girders, but these girders were useless, as the steel was impure and of poor quality and thus cracked easily. Unbeknownst to the Communist Party officials, the result was not steel, but high carbon pig iron, which needs to be decarburized to make steel.
The results varied from region to region. In regions where the steelmaking tradition had survived unbroken, where the old skills of the ironmasters had not been forgotten, the pig iron was indeed further refined into steel, and the steel production actually did increase. In regions that had no traditions of steelmaking, or the old ironmasters had been killed, or if there was no theoretical understanding of the blast furnace process and refining of the pig iron, the results were unsatisfactory. At worst, the fuel used was high-sulfur coal, rendering even the resulting pig iron useless needing to be re-smelted and desulfurized.

 

[mihaitzateo]

Backyard furnaces

Main article: Backyard furnace
Backyard furnaces in China during the Great Leap Forward era.


With no personal knowledge of metallurgy, Mao encouraged the establishment of small backyard steel furnaces in every commune and in each urban neighborhood. Mao was shown an example of a backyard furnace in Hefei, Anhui in September 1958 by provincial first secretary Zeng Xisheng.^[28] The unit was claimed to be manufacturing high quality steel.^[28]
Huge efforts on the part of peasants and other workers were made to produce steel out of scrap metal. To fuel the furnaces the local environment was denuded of trees and wood taken from the doors and furniture of peasants' houses. Pots, pans, and other metal artifacts were requisitioned to supply the "scrap" for the furnaces so that the wildly optimistic production targets could be met. Many of the male agricultural workers were diverted from the harvest to help the iron production as were the workers at many factories, schools and even hospitals. Although the output consisted of low quality lumps of pig iron which was of negligible economic worth, Mao had a deep distrust of intellectuals and faith in the power of the mass mobilization of the peasants.
Moreover, the experience of the intellectual classes following the Hundred Flowers Campaign silenced those aware of the folly of such a plan. According to his private doctor, Li Zhisui, Mao and his entourage visited traditional steel works in Manchuria in January 1959 where he found out that high quality steel could only be produced in large-scale factories using reliable fuel such as coal. However, he decided not to order a halt to the backyard steel furnaces so as not to dampen the revolutionary enthusiasm of the masses. The program was only quietly abandoned much later in that year.


Photograph


Backyard steel furnaces were used by the people of China during the Great Leap Forward (1958–62).^[1][2] These small steel blast furnaces were constructed in the backyards of the communes, hence their names. People used every type of fuel they could to power these furnaces, from coal to the wood of coffins. Where iron ore was unavailable, they melted any steel objects they could get their hands on, including pots and pans, and even bicycles, to make steel girders, but these girders were useless, as the steel was impure and of poor quality and thus cracked easily. Unbeknownst to the Communist Party officials, the result was not steel, but high carbon pig iron, which needs to be decarburized to make steel.
The results varied from region to region. In regions where the steelmaking tradition had survived unbroken, where the old skills of the ironmasters had not been forgotten, the pig iron was indeed further refined into steel, and the steel production actually did increase. In regions that had no traditions of steelmaking, or the old ironmasters had been killed, or if there was no theoretical understanding of the blast furnace process and refining of the pig iron, the results were unsatisfactory. At worst, the fuel used was high-sulfur coal, rendering even the resulting pig iron useless needing to be re-smelted and desulfurized.

Lol,before industrial revolution,how do you think people were crafting weapons and shields,in the factory?
Or by blacksmiths in forges?
You never heard about choppers made in house or in small workshops in US?
Do you call that "maoism"?
How about you get a clue about this?
You are saying you are "Albanian" well get a clue about Albanians also,Albanians did not had slaves (which shows their Thracian origin),so how can you say you a real Albanian if you are supporting dirty capitalism which is a regime that has as needed a class of half-slaves?

 

[Garrick]

Glad to hear that.

I'm optimistic too, and giving a chance people will show mostly their good side.

LeBrok
Nobody wants ISIS at the door.

In Serbian monastery of Visoki Decani in Kosovo these days are written following messages:

Caliphate is coming

ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham)

AKSH (Albanian National Army)

UÇK (Kosovo Liberation Army)

...

http://www.ndf.fr/nos-breves/13-10-...tere-de-visoki-decani-vandalises#.VDwuz1eSwUE

 

[Yetos]

Backyard furnaces

Main article: Backyard furnace
Backyard furnaces in China during the Great Leap Forward era.


With no personal knowledge of metallurgy, Mao encouraged the establishment of small backyard steel furnaces in every commune and in each urban neighborhood. Mao was shown an example of a backyard furnace in Hefei, Anhui in September 1958 by provincial first secretary Zeng Xisheng.^[28] The unit was claimed to be manufacturing high quality steel.^[28]
Huge efforts on the part of peasants and other workers were made to produce steel out of scrap metal. To fuel the furnaces the local environment was denuded of trees and wood taken from the doors and furniture of peasants' houses. Pots, pans, and other metal artifacts were requisitioned to supply the "scrap" for the furnaces so that the wildly optimistic production targets could be met. Many of the male agricultural workers were diverted from the harvest to help the iron production as were the workers at many factories, schools and even hospitals. Although the output consisted of low quality lumps of pig iron which was of negligible economic worth, Mao had a deep distrust of intellectuals and faith in the power of the mass mobilization of the peasants.
Moreover, the experience of the intellectual classes following the Hundred Flowers Campaign silenced those aware of the folly of such a plan. According to his private doctor, Li Zhisui, Mao and his entourage visited traditional steel works in Manchuria in January 1959 where he found out that high quality steel could only be produced in large-scale factories using reliable fuel such as coal. However, he decided not to order a halt to the backyard steel furnaces so as not to dampen the revolutionary enthusiasm of the masses. The program was only quietly abandoned much later in that year.


Photograph


Backyard steel furnaces were used by the people of China during the Great Leap Forward (1958–62).^[1][2] These small steel blast furnaces were constructed in the backyards of the communes, hence their names. People used every type of fuel they could to power these furnaces, from coal to the wood of coffins. Where iron ore was unavailable, they melted any steel objects they could get their hands on, including pots and pans, and even bicycles, to make steel girders, but these girders were useless, as the steel was impure and of poor quality and thus cracked easily. Unbeknownst to the Communist Party officials, the result was not steel, but high carbon pig iron, which needs to be decarburized to make steel.
The results varied from region to region. In regions where the steelmaking tradition had survived unbroken, where the old skills of the ironmasters had not been forgotten, the pig iron was indeed further refined into steel, and the steel production actually did increase. In regions that had no traditions of steelmaking, or the old ironmasters had been killed, or if there was no theoretical understanding of the blast furnace process and refining of the pig iron, the results were unsatisfactory. At worst, the fuel used was high-sulfur coal, rendering even the resulting pig iron useless needing to be re-smelted and desulfurized.

Yes the known stupidty of Mao,

Mao wanted to be first in steel production,
so he took peasants from fields and force them to produce steel!!!

they manage to pass British empire, but with a steel that worth nothing, thrivy steel ψαθυρος χαλυβας,

next year with small number of farmers, china had food problems,
Mao thought and thought
and he find the solution,

IT WAS THE SPARROWS, the little birds eat the seed and the work of the farmers,
so he bought so many air-rifles, to kill the sparrows,
more than 100 000 peasants walk with air riffles to shot sparrows,

the result, Next years Mosquitos run the fields, you could not work even see with so many mosquitos,
water was biological poluted that people died from dysenteria (bad working stomach and belly). common in African countries,

the story is known as the presumptuous, the arrogance of Mao, that led china to first agreement with foreigns to start industrial production

the only he manage is to take license to produce air-riffles in China,

but that was the point,

with that license started industrialization of china,
and today china is No 1 in industry,

all was by the stupidity of Mao,

 

[Yetos]

LeBrok
Nobody wants ISIS at the door.

In Serbian monastery of Visoki Decani in Kosovo these days are written following messages:

Caliphate is coming

ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham)

AKSH (Albanian National Army)

UÇK (Kosovo Liberation Army)

...

http://www.ndf.fr/nos-breves/13-10-...tere-de-visoki-decani-vandalises#.VDwuz1eSwUE

and that is nothing yet,

in greece they find 4 flags with the hand raised,
marked areas of gathering,

 

[King Bardhyl]

 

[mihaitzateo]

We can see that bolshevisms can exist together with capitalism,in same country,from the example of our days China.
Why?
Because both are regimes that oppress the average people and have a leading class of people.
We have a kind of slavery,in both regimes.
No idea why you consider bolshevisms/communism and capitalism different.
The idea is same,a small number of people control most resources.
In theory,in communism the resources are belonging to the "people".
But in fact,is the dictator/president and his clique and secret police,that are controlling most resources.
In capitalism,are the large corporations that are controlling most resources.
As we know,a corporation has a CEO that is usually leading in a dictatorial mode and a few people,if not one,who are owning the company.
The people who are owning the company,are interested that the CEO will bring them profit and fame,most of the time.
(the corporation had ..... profit is the most well known corporation from that domain.)
See the people that are owning the company,as the president of a communist country,they decide to change the CEO at their will.
The CEO and the high ranked managers are the equivalent of the secret service /secret police from a communist country.
They are enforcing the normal people,threat them etc to bring profit,so the CEO reach the goals wanted by owners/owner of the company.
Usually the owners are involving in the politics and as how one would expect,they would like to have laws,to favor their company/companies.
Does this look to you like democracy or liberty?
Cause to me,it doesn't.

 

[Garrick]

We can see that bolshevisms can exist together with capitalism,in same country,from the example of our days China.
Why?
Because both are regimes that oppress the average people and have a leading class of people.
We have a kind of slavery,in both regimes.
No idea why you consider bolshevisms/communism and capitalism different.
The idea is same,a small number of people control most resources.
In theory,in communism the resources are belonging to the "people".
But in fact,is the dictator/president and his clique and secret police,that are controlling most resources.
In capitalism,are the large corporations that are controlling most resources.
As we know,a corporation has a CEO that is usually leading in a dictatorial mode and a few people,if not one,who are owning the company.
The people who are owning the company,are interested that the CEO will bring them profit and fame,most of the time.
(the corporation had ..... profit is the most well known corporation from that domain.)
See the people that are owning the company,as the president of a communist country,they decide to change the CEO at their will.
The CEO and the high ranked managers are the equivalent of the secret service /secret police from a communist country.
They are enforcing the normal people,threat them etc to bring profit,so the CEO reach the goals wanted by owners/owner of the company.
Usually the owners are involving in the politics and as how one would expect,they would like to have laws,to favor their company/companies.
Does this look to you like democracy or liberty?
Cause to me,it doesn't.

You can be right for every written word but there is a problem.

No one has devised and implemented a society where everyone is happy, in other words ideal society does not exist.

Perhaps one of the biggest problem for design and implementation of the society where the people are satisfied (if not all, at least the vast majority) are limited resources.

Communism certainly did not gave a solution, and capitalism in general has a higher potential, certainly accountable governments can with combination of different ways to do things better, but it's far to ideal until someone finds a system better than capitalism.

Technology development if continues can significantly help in creating such a system, and I am confident that the technology will make the lack of resources largely obsolete as a problem, certainly there are those who look at technology as a threat, and it makes sense, but my view of technology is that it is one of the key solutions to create a better system.

 

[Gorgonzola]

Garrick the ones who wrote the graffiti was the serb mafia in order to incriminate the albanians, something that u did right away because you love writting bullshit and attacking the albanians.

 

[Garrick]

Garrick the ones who wrote the graffiti was the serb mafia in order to incriminate the albanians, something that u did right away because you love writting bullshit and attacking the albanians.

Orthodox Cristian clergy is mafia?

No, and it is very bad what you use term Mafia in context one of the jewels of Serbian medieval spirituality and world heritage site, Monastery of Visoki Decani:

 

[Garrick]

Garrick the ones who wrote the graffiti was the serb mafia in order to incriminate the albanians, something that u did right away because you love writting bullshit and attacking the albanians.

I don't attack nobody.

Only I write about real problems.

There are many websites on the Internet where it says that yesterday was Communism and today is political Islam as threat to the free world.

I'm just naturally open and I write about it, with everyone I can engage in a dialogue with arguments and sources.

And many researchers study topic about possible future Caliphate on the Balkans and beyond, surely I'm not the only one.

For example you can read the book:

Christopher Deliso (American author)

The Coming Balkan Caliphate: The Threat of Radical Islam to Europe and the West

http://books.google.rs/books/about/The_Coming_Balkan_Caliphate.html?id=arTqAAAAIAAJ&redir_esc=y

 

[Gorgonzola]

What you are writting here has nothing to do with this topic.

The topic is called "To Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Slovens, Hungarians..:wasn't life under socialism better?"

 

[albanopolis]

I don't attack nobody.

Only I write about real problems.

There are many websites on the Internet where it says that yesterday was Communism and today is political Islam as threat to the free world.

I'm just naturally open and I write about it, with everyone I can engage in a dialogue with arguments and sources.

And many researchers study topic about possible future Caliphate on the Balkans and beyond, surely I'm not the only one.

For example you can read the book:

Christopher Deliso (American author)

The Coming Balkan Caliphate: The Threat of Radical Islam to Europe and the West



http://books.google.rs/books/about/The_Coming_Balkan_Caliphate.html?id=arTqAAAAIAAJ&redir_esc=y

What are you a priest? I see you obsessed with caliphate theory.
No caliphate will be installed in the Balkans.
Islam in the Balkans will be light and with minimal influence. Balkan countries are EU oriented and religion is controlled by the governments.
Balkans did not became caliphate in the middle ages when people believed that even stones had spirits, let alone now that evolution theory is taught in school.
So, calm down and enlighten yourself.
If you are a priest be tolerant, there is life beyond orthodoxy.

 

[Garrick]

What are you a priest? I see you obsessed with caliphate theory.
No caliphate will be installed in the Balkans.
Islam in the Balkans will be light and with minimal influence. Balkan countries are EU oriented and religion is controlled by the governments.
Balkans did not became caliphate in the middle ages when people believed that even stones had spirits, let alone now that evolution theory is taught in school.
So, calm down and enlighten yourself.
If you are a priest be tolerant, there is life beyond orthodoxy.

I can't believe that someone from Balkans thinks so.

Maybe, you live in New Zealand or Latin America, then I can understand.

No, I'm not priest, just an ordinary concerned man.

ISIS and Caliphate are one of major topics in European and world media, you have many analysis, books etc.

Balkans is very close to actual Islamic State.

And you can see what analysts write.

Maybe you think that I write all, I guess, I mastered all world's media, hm?

Will ISIS Make it through Turkey to the Bridge to Europe?

http://chaoticness.com/will-isis-make-turkey-bridge-europe

"While Turkey vows to not fight ISIS on the ground, and with the airstrikes the U.S. is working with, it almost seems as though ISIS will have a somewhat clean movement right to the bridge into Europe?"

"I have suspected that once ISIS reaches Turkey all hell will break loose, but with the way everything has been going it may just be an easier move for them then one would think."

"ISIS will skate right through into Bulgaria? and who knows how far they would make it through Western Europe."

...
Man speaks what is logical, and from Syria to Balkans is not a big distance.

 

[albanopolis]

I can't believe that someone from Balkans thinks so.

Maybe, you live in New Zealand or Latin America, then I can understand.

No, I'm not priest, just an ordinary concerned man.

ISIS and Caliphate are one of major topics in European and world media, you have many analysis, books etc.

Balkans is very close to actual Islamic State.

And you can see what analysts write.

Maybe you think that I write all, I guess, I mastered all world's media, hm?

Will ISIS Make it through Turkey to the Bridge to Europe?

http://chaoticness.com/will-isis-make-turkey-bridge-europe

"While Turkey vows to not fight ISIS on the ground, and with the airstrikes the U.S. is working with, it almost seems as though ISIS will have a somewhat clean movement right to the bridge into Europe?"

"I have suspected that once ISIS reaches Turkey all hell will break loose, but with the way everything has been going it may just be an easier move for them then one would think."

"ISIS will skate right through into Bulgaria? and who knows how far they would make it through Western Europe."

...
Man speaks what is logical, and from Syria to Balkans is not a big distance.

Don't get hooked by the books! They have to be provocative to sell them!
If they write: Europe is sound and safe nobody will buy the book and they will make no money. How much did you pay for that book?
Had ISIS being that big of a threat you would see military machines buzzing around.
Instead you see few American warplanes in target practice. Instead of dropping those bombs in their desert
they drop them in Syrian one.