Unetice culture was clearly multi-ethnic

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DNA Land Ancestry Reports for 3 samples of Unetice culture show stark differences between them:

By the way - RISE139 explains where did those "Polish-like" warriors in Tollense battle come from:

RISE139 (Chociwel, Western Pomerania), Unetice culture:

RISE139.png


RISE145 (Polwica, Greater Poland), Unetice culture:

RISE145.jpg


RISE150 (Przeclawice, Lower Silesia), Unetice culture:

Przeclawice.jpg


As you can see RISE139 and RISE145 are similar to each other, but RISE150 is totally different.
 
No surprise as it has the appearance of an trade organisation.
 
I think in Poland - RISE431 from Poland (Łęki Małe) was described as "proto-Unetice".

I could not upload it because it was in the wrong format, but I guess it would be like RISE139 and RISE145, not like RISE150.

By the way, RISE139 and RISE145 are very similar autosomally to many of modern Poles.
 
And I0116 (Unetice sample from Esperstedt in Germany) is more similar to Przeclawice than to Chociwel and Polwica:

John_Espe.png
 
And here is my result (I'm from Greater Poland - the same region as RISE145):

IMO my result is very similar to those two Bronze Age results (RISE139 and RISE145):

My_results.png


I uploaded my genome to GEDmatch and tried all calculators.

I got very interesting results with PuntDNAL K15 calculator.

I'm apparently close to Poles, Swedes and Norwegians - but very far from South Germans:

Single Population Sharing:

# Population(source) Distance


1 Polish 2.06
2 Swedish 4.03
3 Norwegian 6.35

4 North_German 6.79
5 Belarusian 7.58
6 Slovenian 7.94
7 Scottish 8.18
8 Austrian 8.36
9 Orcadian 8.57
10 Irish 8.96
11 Russian 9.03
12 Hungarian 9.25
13 Mordovian 9.39
14 English 9.55
15 Karelian 10
16 Finnish 11.06
17 Lithuanian 11.07
18 Croatian 11.26
19 Utahn_White 12.85
20 South_German 13.53

I wonder if other native Wielkopolans also get similar DNA Land and GEDmatch results.
 
Interesting interesting...
 
It could be that the two more Slavic samples are descended from the Corded Ware (which was later overrun by Unetice), while the two more Northwest European samples represent the new wave associated with the Proto-Celts and Proto-Germans (mostly R1b, but visibly also I2, like the I0116 sample).
 
It could be that the two more Slavic samples are descended from the Corded Ware (which was later overrun by Unetice), while the two more Northwest European samples represent the new wave associated with the Proto-Celts and Proto-Germans (mostly R1b, but visibly also I2, like the I0116 sample).

Proto-celt ?................first and oldest celt is Lepontic as stated by scholars

Lepontic is Swiss and north-italian

Bichon is I2a in switzerland ...............ancient remendello samples are all 100% I2a

logic states , that "celtic" should be associated with I2a before any R1b



I would even place G2a between I2a and R1b ..............so it would read I2a then G2a
 
Ignoring MJ Anctil - ‎2016

Proto-celt ?................first and oldest celt is Lepontic as stated by scholars

Lepontic is Swiss and north-italian

Bichon is I2a in switzerland ...............ancient remendello samples are all 100% I2a

logic states , that "celtic" should be associated with I2a before any R1b



I would even place G2a between I2a and R1b ..............so it would read I2a then G2a


Sile,
I don't understand why some are so Olymply ignored. Mallory clearly showed a couple weeks ago that the several proto celtic did not have a Genetic linkage, for instance with the celtics in the UK. Or even La tene with hallstatt...

I truly think there will come a time when "Celtic" is drop and the structure of those settlements will be recognized as per what they were.
 
"North Slavic" component - despite its name - is actually also common among Balts and Scandinavians (both ancient and modern). For example RISE98 who was probably a Proto-Germanic speaker (the oldest U106 known to date) scores 43% North Slavic:

https://s11.postimg.io/pxw0yvftv/RISE98.png

A better name for "North Slavic" would be "Balto-Slavic" or "Northeast European minus Finnish" (that's what it really is).

RISE98 in DNA Land scores 46% of "Northeast Euro" component, including 43% of "North Slavic" and 2.5% of "Finnish".

However, "Northwest Euro" component was more dominant in RISE98, he scores 50% of this component in DNA Land:

RISE98.png


By comparison, a modern Austrian German from Lavanttal scores only 25% of "Northwest Euro", less than me (36%):

He is almost as much "North-East Euro" as me, less "North-West Euro", but much more "Southern Euro" than me:

My combined Southern European score is 9.5%, while this Austrian German has 24.2% (18% + 6.2% Sardinian):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavanttal

Austrian.png
 
MarkoZ - Nordic Bronze Age culture is associated with Proto-Germanic speakers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Bronze_Age

Especially in the region of Scania, where that RISE98 guy lived / was buried:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scania

If RISE98 lived before PGMc developed, then he could speak Pre-Proto-Germanic.

No. If he was an Indo-European speaker he would have spoken a dialect very close to the proto-language. Proto-Germanic is an iron age phenomenon.
 
MarkoZ,

Proto-Germanic is an iron age phenomenon.

Source?

Maciamo,

Northwest European samples represent the new wave associated with the Proto-Celts and Proto-Germans

I've been told that modern Swedes have similar scores to RISE98 in DNA Land.

That is, roughly equal Northwest and Northeast European + a small bit of Southern.

R1b-U106 has not been found in Bell Beaker, it rather came along another route.

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PS: I also uploaded Rathlin Island genome (Early Bronze Age Ireland) to DNA Land.

Wait a moment, I have to take a screenshot and I will post it.

Edit:

Here it is - Rathlin 1 genome (I guess that he could be a Pre-Proto-Celtic speaker?):

https://s18.postimg.io/mya56j6jt/Rathlin_1.png

Rathlin_1.png
 
Rathlin 1 ("Pre-Proto-Celtic"):

Northwest Euro - 77%
Northeast Euro - 21%
Kalash - 2%

RISE98 ("Pre-Proto-Germanic"):

Northwest Euro - 50%
Northeast Euro - 46%
Sardinian - 3%
Ambiguous - 1%

Differences are obvious, and you can see that Northwest Euro is a more Celtic component in its origin.

Proto-Germanics in Scandinavia were more intermediate between North-West and North-East Europe.

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By comparison an Ancient Balt (I suppose that he was West Baltic - Old Prussian - rather than East Baltic):

RISE598 (Late Bronze Age; Sudovia region; most certainly a Baltic-speaker):

Northeast Euro - 100%

He was buried near modern Polish-Lithuanian border, in a region historically called Sudovia (Yotvingia):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudovia

RISE598 is so far the only ancient who scores 100% "North Slavic" (= Northeast Euro minus Finnish):

https://s21.postimg.io/iaa9n28yv/RISE598.png

RISE598.png
 
I will upload some ancient genomes to GEDmatch (including these three - RISE98, Rathlin 1 and RISE598). :)

Unless they were already uploaded by someone else before (but in case of RISE598, I don't think that it was).
 
It gets better and better: Celtic in Ireland around 2,000 BC and Germanic in Scandinavia around 3,000 BC. I suggest you do some rudimentary reading before wasting more time on a subject you apparently know nothing about. Plugging ancient genomes into calculators for designed modern day populations is dubious enough as it is -- thinking the results tell you something about those ancient cultures' linguistic features is not even pseudoscience anymore.
 
^^^ Have you read Jean Manco's "Ancestral Journeys" ??? There is a theory that Bell Beaker Folks spoke Pre-Proto-Celtic.

Rathlin Island skeletons were probably people of the Food Vessel culture, which descended from Bell Beaker culture.

In any case, Bronze Age Irish samples are genetically very similar to Iron Age Insular Celts, as well as to modern-day Irish.

So either they spoke Celtic, or Celtic was introduced later but as a cultural process, with not much of a population turnover.

In Ireland ancient DNA suggests a turnover (replacement) between Neolithic and Bronze Age; then continuity to present-day.

There was no any Post-Bronze replacement in Ireland (only admixtures from outside, but the "core population" is the same).
 
There was a total population replacement in Ireland between the Middle Neolithic and the Early Bronze Age.

Neolithic Irish were most genetically similar to modern Sardinians (!), but Bronze Age Irish - to modern Irish.
 

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