upside-down pyramids?

[johen]

Originally Posted by johen

Mayan tree of life:

https://www.ancientamerica.org/?page_id=533

"Graves go down five steps and ended with the steep and deep pit. Special digging platforms were constructed inside the graves; traces of such constructions were noted in the grave walls at Noyon Uul barrows 20, 31 and 22. A dromos leads to the upper portion of the grave. A hoist was used for dropping wooden elements of the burial structure and coffin with the dead body into the tomb. The burial construction resembles the Zhou, Qin and early Han tombs in China."

the tomb of lady Dai (mummy) from the Han Dynasty:
https://pages.uoregon.edu/inaasim/Fo...ynotes%206.htm

Originally Posted by bicicleur
in the Han formation period, Q1a-M120 was detected in elite burials

Tombs of the kings of the Western Han dynasty (202 B.C.E.–9 C.E.) often contain burial items that are related to the material culture of the Eastern Eurasian Steppe. These artifacts are usually interpreted in a general sense, for instance as a sign for the fascination of the Han elite with the exotic. A closer analysis of relevant finds, however, shows different strategies of dealing with foreign influences. While the exchange with the empire's northern neighbors is evidenced through goods for which identical excavated parallels from the steppe exist, the royal tombs of the Han also contained items that resemble and reference steppe motifs and objects but were clearly produced locally and for local consumers. Especially the latter type of artifacts can thus not simply be interpreted as the passive byproduct of exchange relations. Instead, we have to acknowledge that design, production, and usage of these objects were based on conscious decisions. Based on the insight that objects always have a social function, this article argues that the Han elite not only appropriated steppe influences and motifs (?) but also strategically (re)produced and integrated them into their world in order to redefine, enhance, and strengthen their position within their social framework.https://www.researchgate.net/publica...rn_Han_Dynasty

Han dynasty jade burial suit ( jade is 玉, 王 is a King)

Mayan jade burial mask:

 

[johen]

Here is another step pyramid in west China, shimao:

https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/...es/2018/08/Jaang-et-al-Figure-4-1200x1079.jpg

https://www.archaeology.org/images/News/1808/China-Shimao-Step-Pyramid.jpg


https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristi...haeologists-view-of-early-china/#c05461e44b9a
https://www.livescience.com/63406-massive-shimao-pyramid-unearthed-china.html
https://static.cambridge.org/resour...9:S0003598X16002349_fig4g.gif?pub-status=live

Figure 4. Drawing of three single-edged knives: a) of the Elunio culture, 2000–1800 BC, Russian Altai, length around 220mm; b) from Shimao, 2000–1800 BC, length around 100mm:c) Erlitou, 1700–1600 BC, length around 255mm (drawing by John Rawson).

https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour.../672573C3699701D312E7D2286B973D5F/core-reader

Elunio culture is a seima turbino culture, where 1Q was found so far.shimao and seima same linguistics root?

1. shimao stone carving:

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-12-...al-finds-of-past-decade-Wr0ktbZUVG/index.html


same concept in Mayan "earth" monster:

the king appears as the sun, shown in relation to a monster representing the earth.
https://mayaruins.com/copan/a1_1103.html

Shimao carving:

https://www.researchgate.net/public...o_China's_Ancient_Belief_in_Metamorphic_Power

Mayan :

https://thetravelhackinglife.com/copan-maya-ruins/2. shimao artifacts below:

1st ring pommel dagger like celtic dagger
2nd Elunio dagger
3rd seima turbino ring pommel dagger except pattern ( page 81 on https://docplayer.net/81981204-Ucla-ucla-electronic-theses-and-dissertations.html)


https://www.youlinmagazine.com/article/the-ancient-city-of-shimao-china-neolithic-past/MTgwNA==

 

[johen]

Mayan and hindu pyramid similarity :

https://pparihar.com/2015/10/06/hinduism-and-mayans-aztec-inca-sumerians-same-culture-proof/

another mayan type pyramid in china

https://ancient-code.com/the-great-pyramid-of-china-the-largest-and-oldest-pyramid-on-the-planet/
Ancient records preserved in an old monastery near the Mongolian border describe the Xian pyramid.

The structure was said to measure 1,000 feet in height which made it the highest pyramid in the world (the Great Pyramid of Egypt is 450 feet in height).

According to the monastic documents the pyramid was already extremely old when the records were made.
In the valleys surrounding the Xian pyramid were dozens of other pyramids, some rising to an elevation almost as great.
Surviving traces of original pigments show that the Xian pyramid was painted with different colours on each on its four flanks.
The east side was bluish grey, with white facing the west, black on the north, and red on the south.

It should be noted that other ancient monuments such as the Maya, Aztecs, and many Indian tribes of North America associated the four cardinal directions with different colours.
In 1994, archaeologists discovered several pyramids near the Wei River, north of Xian. Hausdorf estimates there may be as many 90 to 100 pyramids in China, including the White Pyramid which is the highest of them all. All of them are mostly unheard of in the Western world.

It seems to be a simple math: okunevo Mayan at Altai who might need farmers with a great endurance:

Okunevo with a THIRD EYE:

mayan:

Okunevo to shijiahe culture china:

'A Seima-Turbino Bronze Spear Discovered in the Yangtze River Valley in China
and Its Important Academic Significance':

["To date, ten Seima-Turbino bronze spearheads have been discovered in China. Of particular
interest is the spear from Lojiabailing, found in the same layer with jade items belonging to the post-Shijiahe culture. According to published drawings, the shape of the bronze spear from Luojiabailing coincides with the shape of the bronze spearheads from the Shenna and Xiawanggang sites. Judging by the jade items of the post-Shijiahe culture found together with the spear, the dating of the bronze spears coincides with the time of the post-Shijiahe, approximately 2200–1800 BC. The significance of the joint discovery of the Seima-Turbino bronze spears and jade products of the post-Shijiahe culture lies in the fact that they contribute to a better understanding of the cultural ties between the Longshan cultural community in China and the cultures of the early Bronze Age of Southern Siberia in the late 3rd – early 2nd millennium BC. There are many similarities in the art of these
cultures, which may be the result of contacts between the cultures of the Longshan era in China and the cultures of the Early Bronze Age of Southern Siberia. The spread of the Seima-Turba bronzes to the east and south of the Altai was a prerequisite for these processes."]
https://archaeology.nsc.ru/wp-conten...22_sbornik.pdf

scholar tried to connect okunevo culture to two jade devil masks


shijiahe culture china to mesoamrica

- "A Chinese miniature jade mask. 2nd millennium BCE"

more: http://wenhui.whb.cn/u/cms/www/201803/141722546dak.jpg

- mesoamerica

 

[johen]

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"Mayan-Chinese Culture Continuum" according to Harvard scholar:

chinese civilization and american civilizations are actually the descendants of the same ancestors, from different locations and times. kc chang called this entire cultural background "the mayan-chinese culture continuum.” the geographical scope of this continuum covers the entire old world and the new world. their time dates back much further than the origin of chinese civilization, or the mayan civilization, and at least as early as the upper paleolithic period. based on this point of view, the paleolithic ancestors, their culture, in particular the level of development of the arts, ideas and ideology, far exceed how we view them from limited archaeological data. as such, we often underestimate the level of their culture. 20,000-30,000 years ago when most of the indigenous groups passed through the bering strait from asia to the americas, they brought along a culture with unexpected richness. this extended to the new world and became known as "the mayan-chinese culture continuum. its core element comprised of "sorcery and shaman culture". when viewing the world, they divided it into different levels, and the shaman interchanged between the different levels. they engaged in this communication, some aides and tools: various law , which may include a gourd, alcohol, drugs, a variety of animals and a heaven-earth pole. 20,000 to 30,000 years ago, people journeyed across the bering strait to the new world. during this process, they were said to have brought over a variety of cultural background. from this rich basis of culture, similar societies were formed at different places and different times. this included the bronze age civilization that occurred two to three thousand years ago in china, the mayan civilization in mexico, as well as other similar civilizations.

Note: KC Chang, Qingtong Huichen

 

[johen]

It seems to be a simple math: okunevo Mayan at Altai who might need farmers with a great endurance:

Okunevo with a THIRD EYE:

mayan:

Okunevo to shijiahe culture china:

'A Seima-Turbino Bronze Spear Discovered in the Yangtze River Valley in China
and Its Important Academic Significance':

["To date, ten Seima-Turbino bronze spearheads have been discovered in China. Of particular
interest is the spear from Lojiabailing, found in the same layer with jade items belonging to the post-Shijiahe culture. According to published drawings, the shape of the bronze spear from Luojiabailing coincides with the shape of the bronze spearheads from the Shenna and Xiawanggang sites. Judging by the jade items of the post-Shijiahe culture found together with the spear, the dating of the bronze spears coincides with the time of the post-Shijiahe, approximately 2200–1800 BC. The significance of the joint discovery of the Seima-Turbino bronze spears and jade products of the post-Shijiahe culture lies in the fact that they contribute to a better understanding of the cultural ties between the Longshan cultural community in China and the cultures of the early Bronze Age of Southern Siberia in the late 3rd – early 2nd millennium BC. There are many similarities in the art of these
cultures, which may be the result of contacts between the cultures of the Longshan era in China and the cultures of the Early Bronze Age of Southern Siberia. The spread of the Seima-Turba bronzes to the east and south of the Altai was a prerequisite for these processes."]
https://archaeology.nsc.ru/wp-conten...22_sbornik.pdf

scholar tried to connect okunevo culture to two jade devil masks ( 1st one shimao, 2nd okunevo, 3rd, 4th chinese)


shijiahe culture china to mesoamrica

- "A Chinese miniature jade mask. 2nd millennium BCE"

more: http://wenhui.whb.cn/u/cms/www/201803/141722546dak.jpg

- mesoamerica

Seima turbino (spear) migrated to china with okunevo and mesoamerican culture.

- Shimao, graphic arts, and long distance connections
https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=55695:

comment: "This is very Mayan looking to my novice eyes"

they always cut the head off:

Pits of Skulls Found in Shimao: China’s Neolithic City of Mystery

Shimao is an ancient Chinese city that was lost for a long time. But in recent years it has yielded many of its secrets to archaeologists. Among the most astonishing finds are a step-pyramid and evidence of human sacrifice.

www.ancient-origins.net

 

[johen]

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shimao pyramid king:

"Deputy lead archaeologist of the excavation team, Professor Shao Jing from the Shaanxi Academy of Archaeology, is excited about the probable portrait of a king found at the site that could answer the ruler mystery.

“The face on the west side is about 80 cm (31 inches) long and 50 cm (20 inches) high with a crown on its head. It is the largest single image in the Shimao stone carvings . The eastern face that has been unearthed appears to be in the center of the whole group … and may be the image of the king of the Shimao ancestors,” said Professor Shao.

He is referring to the giant 2-meter carved stone wall with three faces, of which only two have been completely exposed. The elite portrait of the city’s ruler is carved into blocks of a wall section. The carving of the king is distinctive as it has “arc patterns on the outside of the eyes.” Other solemn human faces are adorned with earrings, with protruding eyes [VHM: emphasis mine; cf. Sanxingdui] and mouths, and visible teeth."

"Bede Fahey has pointed out that some of the glyphs at Shimao resemble Mayan writing and, to a certain extent, early forms of Chinese script, but much more research needs to be carried out before any definitive conclusions can be reached."

Archaeologists unearth an ancient portrait under a pyramid in China - Art Insider

Archaeologists unearth an ancient portrait under a pyramid in China.. face might as well be the image of the Shimao King...

www.art-insider.com

Okunevo PIE culture:

 

[Robotnick]

Gee, it's almost as if the pyramid shape is an intuitive structure design for religious and/or political activities.
Stacking increasingly smaller platforms on top of bigger platforms to stabilize a political/religious elite on a high elevation to be able to address a mass assembly.

It's something one could figure out as a kid playing with blocks, and hardly an evidence for some "common ANE civilization"
get real.

 

[johen]

Gee, it's almost as if the pyramid shape is an intuitive structure design for religious and/or political activities.
Stacking increasingly smaller platforms on top of bigger platforms to stabilize a political/religious elite on a high elevation to be able to address a mass assembly.

It's something one could figure out as a kid playing with blocks, and hardly an evidence for some "common ANE civilization"
get real.

I think you are too much obsessed with Lego.

 

[johen]

Seima turbino (spear) migrated to china with okunevo and mesoamerican culture.

- Shimao, graphic arts, and long distance connections
https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=55695:

comment: "This is very Mayan looking to my novice eyes"

they always cut the head off:

Pits of Skulls Found in Shimao: China’s Neolithic City of Mystery

Shimao is an ancient Chinese city that was lost for a long time. But in recent years it has yielded many of its secrets to archaeologists. Among the most astonishing finds are a step-pyramid and evidence of human sacrifice.

www.ancient-origins.net

View of prehistoric site Shimao ruins in NW China

View of prehistoric site Shimao ruins in NW China-

english.news.cn

"Perched on a mountaintop overlooking the village of San Pablo, this lesser-visited pre-Inca archaeological site is well worth the day trip from Cajamarca. The site is considered one of the cradles of Andean culture, and four distinct civilizations used the area for their ceremonies, with the first constructions taking place around 1100 BC. The main structure is a large U-shaped temple consisting of three elevated platforms, around which are located numerous tombs. The walls and central plaza of Kuntur Wasi are spectacular, and the site's views are mind-blowing. This location, in the headwaters of the Jequetepeque River, was strategic, as the Jequetepeque valley was a transportation corridor between the coastal region and the highlands. As such, Kuntur Wasi combined the roles of a political and religious center, boasting complex architecture and impressive stone sculptures."

Kuntur Wasi Tour

If lesser-visited archaeological sites are your thing, then Kuntur Wasi is a must! You can visit this important archaeological site in the North of Peru on a day trip from Cajamarca.

www.valenciatravelcusco.com

 

[johen]

okunevo Mayan

Okunevo with a THIRD EYE:

mayan:

Okunevo to shijiahe culture china:

'A Seima-Turbino Bronze Spear Discovered in the Yangtze River Valley in China
and Its Important Academic Significance':

["To date, ten Seima-Turbino bronze spearheads have been discovered in China. Of particular
interest is the spear from Lojiabailing, found in the same layer with jade items belonging to the post-Shijiahe culture. According to published drawings, the shape of the bronze spear from Luojiabailing coincides with the shape of the bronze spearheads from the Shenna and Xiawanggang sites. Judging by the jade items of the post-Shijiahe culture found together with the spear, the dating of the bronze spears coincides with the time of the post-Shijiahe, approximately 2200–1800 BC. The significance of the joint discovery of the Seima-Turbino bronze spears and jade products of the post-Shijiahe culture lies in the fact that they contribute to a better understanding of the cultural ties between the Longshan cultural community in China and the cultures of the early Bronze Age of Southern Siberia in the late 3rd – early 2nd millennium BC. There are many similarities in the art of these
cultures, which may be the result of contacts between the cultures of the Longshan era in China and the cultures of the Early Bronze Age of Southern Siberia. The spread of the Seima-Turba bronzes to the east and south of the Altai was a prerequisite for these processes."]
https://archaeology.nsc.ru/wp-conten...22_sbornik.pdf

scholar tried to connect okunevo culture to two jade devil masks


shijiahe culture china to mesoamrica

- "A Chinese miniature jade mask. 2nd millennium BCE"

more: http://wenhui.whb.cn/u/cms/www/201803/141722546dak.jpg

-mesoamerica

Chinese scholars started to connect their civilizations to okunevo culture:

"According to typological analysis and decorative comparison, the age of the Seima - Turbino style bronze spears unearthed from the Xiawanggang site is roughly at the end of the third millennium BC or the beginning of the second millennium BC. Combining the similarities between the Okunev culture, Shimao culture and the post-Shijiahe cultural and artistic images, it is inferred that the Seima - Turbino style copper spears represented by the bronze spears unearthed in Wanggang and Luojiabailing were in the Yangtze River The emergence of the river basin is the result of cultural exchanges between the north and the south. Understanding this cultural exchange is of great significance for understanding the changes in China's prehistoric cultural pattern during the Longshan - Erlitou Culture period and the formation of this "epoch-making historical stage" [65] "

王鹏｜淅川下王岗遗址出土塞伊玛-图尔宾诺式铜矛与南北文化交流_年代_分析_数据

如图尔宾诺墓地出土的石叶可以拼合成与同墓地出土的宽梃铜矛（图三，3 ）样式几乎完全相同的矛（图三，1 ）。该陶范出土于萨穆希文化的克罗哈列夫卡-1 遗址（Крохалевка-1 ）[28] ，据陶范复原的铜…

www.sohu.com

https://mmbiz.qpic.cn/mmbiz_jpg/G5sxAiadpFOccRVHm0Ay1aGhzNuZIGGU5iaYVZpZvDgscdoryZCS9LiboEdcjN8buFLMsia4LNiaAAlPChontxtWb5w/640?wx_fmt=jpeg&wxfrom=5&wx_lazy=1&wx_co=1

"Many scholars have noticed the similarity between the stone carvings of the Shimao Culture and the jade carvings of the Later Shijiahe Culture, as well as the indisputable inheritance between the bronze decorations of the Erlitou Culture and Shang Culture."

《读书》新刊 | 王鹏：中国青铜时代的欧亚草原背景

虽然这些问题不易回答，但参照东西两端的一些重要的考古发现，仍可勾勒出当时文化传播的大体轮廓。以此轮廓为基础，将欧亚草原作为背景，会有助于我们加深对中国青铜时代的理解。

mp.weixin.qq.com

 

[johen]

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shimao pyramid at northwest china:

okunevo Chebaki Fortress at altai:

"The most expressive category of finds is the mass ceramic material of the Okunev culture. This is mainly found in the lower layers of the excavation, The Okunev ceramics from Chebaki Sve, in terms of character and ornamentation, finds analogies in the Okunev burial sites of the Minusinsk Basin. However, ceramics of the Kamenniy Log culture (tradition of the Karasuk culture) are also present on the territory of the citadel.[2][27]"

 

[johen]

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4,300 year old city on shimao pyramid at northwest china:

5,000 year old city on caral pyramid at Peru:

Human Sacrifices At Massive Pyramid Along Great Wall Change Archaeologists' View Of Early China

A massive pyramid at Shimao in northern China is rewriting the prehistory of the country.

www.forbes.com

https://www.sciencesetavenir.fr/archeo-paleo/une-cite-inconnue-reecrit-l-histoire-chinoise_132558

A Little-Known Civilization in the Americas Built Pyramids as Old as Ancient Egypt - Arkeonews

Considered the cradle of civilization in the Americas, the Sacred City of Caral-Supe is a 5000 year old archaeological site, situated on a dry desert terrace, overlooking the green valley of the Supe River in Peru.

arkeonews.net