Viking Funeral Clothes Reveal Surprising Arabic Lettering

[davef]

I'd like to see sources for this.

ancestry from Neolithic farmers

 

[Angela]

Swedes and Norwegians not only have ancient farmer ancestry that arrived from the Near East, they also have Caucasus ancestry that was part of the steppe migration.

So, on the following graphic, EN is almost identical to Anatolia Neolithic, and steppe can be somewhere around 40% "CHG", also from the Near East.

So, I'd say maybe at least 40% "southern"ancestry?

You know, I think someone from northern Sweden posted his results from geneplaza. Ah, here they are:
"Results north swedish

STEPPE CULTURES 45.1
KARASUK-E SCYTHIAN 21.2
ANDRONOVO-SRUBNAYA 16.4
YAMNAYA-AFANASIEVO-POLTAVKA 7.5

ANCIENT FARMERS 38.4
WEST EUROPEAN FARMERS 13.5
LEVANT 2.8
NEOLITHIC-CHALCOLITHIC IRAN-CHG 0.0
EAST EUROPEAN FARMERS 22.1

WESTERN EUROPEAN & SCANDINAVIAN HUNTER GATHERERS 16.4"

So, if you consider that Andronovo was about 15-20% farmer, plus some in Yamnaya, you're over 40%, maybe 45% or more.


Goodness, should we put the Haak, Lazaridis, Matthiesen, etc. etc. papers as stickies?

 

[JeremyMarino]

Hey, this is really cool. Thanks for posting this.

You should put those papers as stickies. I'm new to this realm of history, and am trying to read whatever I can get my hands on by way of academic papers.

 

[Angela]

Hey, this is really cool. Thanks for posting this.

You should put those papers as stickies. I'm new to this realm of history, and am trying to read whatever I can get my hands on by way of academic papers.

I'll see if I can do it as a thread for our newbies.

Lazaridis et al 2014:http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v513/n7518/full/nature13673.html

Gamba et al: https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms6257

Haak et al 2015: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v513/n7518/full/nature13673.html

Lazaridis et al 2016:http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v513/n7518/full/nature13673.html

Iain Mathiesen et al 2015:https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/30/135616

Olalde et al:https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/30/135616

Cassidy et al:http://www.pnas.org/content/113/2/368.full

Scheuenemann et al (with Johanes Krause): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5459999/

Lazaridis et al: https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/nature23310_0.pdf

That should get you started. It's important to read the supplements as well. Then, use our search engine. We discuss them extensively.

Anyone want to add to the list for a first go round?

 

[gyms]

Viking textile which suggested Nordic tribes were influenced by Islam did NOT feature the word 'Allah', claims expert

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ile-no-Arabic-slams-expert.html#ixzz4wPkQ0CZv

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/10/viking-couture-allah/543045/

"But other experts are not sure the silk bears Arabic script at all, never mind the word “Allah.” They warn that people being credulous of Larsson’s claim may be guided less by solid evidence than by a political motivation: the desire to stick it to white supremacists."


http://digg.com/2017/viking-textile-allah-debunked

"The archaeologists' criticism of Larsson's interpretation of the textile is rather technical, but what it boils down to is that Larsson assumed without evidence that the textile scraps she examined were part of a larger pattern that expanded the existing pattern in particular ways."

 

[davef]

Swedes and Norwegians not only have ancient farmer ancestry that arrived from the Near East, they also have Caucasus ancestry that was part of the steppe migration.
So, on the following graphic, EN is almost identical to Anatolia Neolithic, and steppe can be somewhere around 40% "CHG", also from the Near East.
So, I'd say maybe at least 40% "southern"ancestry?

You know, I think someone from northern Sweden posted his results from geneplaza. Ah, here they are:
"Results north swedish
STEPPE CULTURES 45.1
KARASUK-E SCYTHIAN 21.2
ANDRONOVO-SRUBNAYA 16.4
YAMNAYA-AFANASIEVO-POLTAVKA 7.5
ANCIENT FARMERS 38.4
WEST EUROPEAN FARMERS 13.5
LEVANT 2.8
NEOLITHIC-CHALCOLITHIC IRAN-CHG 0.0
EAST EUROPEAN FARMERS 22.1
WESTERN EUROPEAN & SCANDINAVIAN HUNTER GATHERERS 16.4"
So, if you consider that Andronovo was about 15-20% farmer, plus some in Yamnaya, you're over 40%, maybe 45% or more.
Goodness, should we put the Haak, Lazaridis, Matthiesen, etc. etc. papers as stickies?

yeah u should

 

[paul333]

I have Y-DNA H2, which is rare in Europe,(ancient neolithic farmers I believe ) and if you look on the Y- 'H map' of Ftdna, there is Y-H2 showing in Sweden from at least 1745, and this may confirm early neolithic farmers reaching Scandanavia a lot earlier than thought.

 

[Wheal]

@Angela, a thread for newbies would be wonderful. I read what I can and have even ordered books on various cultures, but so many times the conversations are so above my head I can't seem to wrap my thoughts around it. THANK YOU!

 

[AdeoF]

@Angela, a thread for newbies would be wonderful. I read what I can and have even ordered books on various cultures, but so many times the conversations are so above my head I can't seem to wrap my thoughts around it. THANK YOU!

Yep I would read a few things from the newbies area too. It's very interesting

 

[Angela]

I'd be happy to make a sticky thread for newbies and post these important papers if you think that would help. When asked, people could also respond with guidance as to the papers to read for certain particular questions.

However, I would encourage newbies to ask questions as new papers are posted, and, of course, to read them. It's clear when questions are sincere and when we're just dealing with t-rolls.