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Clinton was crushed, it was not a narrow defeat.............this is the end for her
They are not necessarily the same voters Angela. Usually voter turnout is about 50%, and usually same people vote in every election and same never vote. This time, I believe, some characters who never vote, came out of woodwork to vote for Trump, and some who usually votes didn't vote this time in protest.
Talking about some characters:
KKK congratulates Trump on the win.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...leader-congratulates-trump--and-thanks-wikil/
The real question would be why so many lower to middle class people voted for Trump. One of his main policies, and one that really makes him a Republican, no matter how much he claims to be different from the rest, is going to cut taxes for the super-rich and cut social benefits for the poor(er). Once again the 0.1% managed to get their candidate elected by the people who understand the least about politics and react the most to rhetoric, populist demagogy and all the media drama. And the sad thing is that all these people are happy that their candidate won, not realising that they voted for the 0.1% (all the opposite of what Trump appeared to be, despite his being part of the 0.1%). It's just like with Brexit all over again. Those who voted for it will be the ones suffering most the consequences. There is no cure for idiocy yet.
On the international scene, I was very concerned when G.W. Bush got elected, and he indeed caused a lot of wars and suffering (Afghanistan, Iraq) as was expected. Trump could be much worse because his attitude is even more radical. I disliked Bush for being an evangelist Christian, and Trump is better on that front as he doesn't seem to care much about religion. Yet, his extreme stance against the Mexicans and the whole Muslim world will cause serious tensions globally and will certainly foster more Islamic terrorism in retaliation. On the other hand one could wonder if it wasn't about time Islamists like those ISIS bast*rds get crushed once and for all.
If Trump leads the country properly in the next six months, or at least satisfy the masses by implementing some popular campaign promises, his example could bolster Le Pen's chances of becoming France's next president in May 2017. With both France and the US led by anti-Islamic presidents, a domino effect could see a rise in radicalism across Europe, which could very well degenerate in WWIII (the West vs the Islamic world). Who knows? Maybe we are already in it and don't have enough hindsight to realise it.
Trump's victory is not all bad. He is strongly against the TTIP, which I think was a huge mistake - at least for European consumers, who would lose the benefit of stricter food regulations.
The real question would be why so many lower to middle class people voted for Trump. One of his main policies, and one that really makes him a Republican, no matter how much he claims to be different from the rest, is going to cut taxes for the super-rich and cut social benefits for the poor(er).
I agree with Minty,
Typical Trump voters were middle class people, and not some "rednecks" as LeBrok claimed. I have been reading a Polish forum where two American guys post, and they are upper-middle class Trump supporters who live in sub-urban areas (one of them lives in California, not sure about the other one). They supported Trump for similar reasons as Minty's relatives. They do not want to pay high taxes, they do not want feed the growing underclass. I can also add based on what they wrote, that they simply do not associate with people such as Hillary supporters. They don't feel absolutely any ties with them, other than sharing space on the same continent. The one from California wrote that the vast majority of people who live in "Real American neighbourhoods" voted for Trump. He wrote that there are two main indicators which define these "Real American neighbourhoods":
1) The Graffiti Factor = no graffiti within few miles from your house; 2) The Well-Maintained Lawn Factor = perfect backyards.
But in America the middle class actually is kind of super rich. These are not mutually exclusive categories there.
According to that guy from California, "middle class" people like him can afford very big "haciendas", a private yacht, and sometimes even a private light aircraft. And he wrote that people from "Real American neighbourhoods" would support building a wall not only along the border with Mexico, but also around "nests of degeneracy" - as he called San Francisco and Los Angeles. One excerpt from his posts (translated):
"(...) we, by all means normal American people, treat these nests of vice such as SF, LA, Denver, or Seattle as a kind of zoological gardens, inhabited by large numbers of weird and very exotic creatures. It is only a matter of time, until we build high fences around them... and start demanding visas from people living inside, in case if anyone would like to move to our side of the fence. Many of you probably remember movies like this made in Hollywood itself, which were very popular ca. 25 years ago. (...)"
I must admit that this actually sounds scary... Especially considering that this guy has a PhD degree. What made these people so pissed off ???
Good point. Wouldn't be amazing however if everybody in US would think the same, and think like Tomenable and support Trump? Then he could show us, once and for all, that he is right, that he was right all the time, and he is the smartest to figure it out, and the bestest, lol.It is one country though. However I understand that is the system at present and nobody seem to have been much interested to change it. So be it. It could have worked both ways for each party. But the naked truth is Hillary got more votes over all. So the stunning victory and so on we are hearing is somehow bogus in the heart of hearts.
Angela I'am always fond of these kind of election cards, thanks! Just out of curiosity what is the deep blue spot in south dakota, in almost red area.....?
PS Found it obviously American Indians are not Trump supporters! American Asterix and Obelix
"The bluest county in South Dakota is Shannon County, where Obama won 93.4% of the county’s 2012 vote. While the bluest county in most states overwhelmingly voted for Democrats to represent them in the U.S. Congress, Shannon County’s representation has been more even. Over the last five congressional elections, Shannon County helped elect both Republicans and Democrats. The county was roughly 4% white, with a majority of residents identifying as American Indian. By contrast, 74% of Americans identified as white. Also, county residents had a median household income of just $25,648, less than half the national median household income of $53,046."
Here's the thing. Wealthy people/businesses pay a lot of tax. It is a misconception that they all avoid paying, or use loopholes in the system. Where does the funding come from otherwise? The Starbucks baristas and career protestors who are too lazy to work?Ok, so according to what I know, this is because of money. My relatives in the US (middle class) ( some are over 60 years of age) were required to pay 600 US dollars per month for their health care to feed the lower class. Now that is a lot of money. Rich people pay no taxes in some cases (like Donald Trump) or even if they are required to pay taxes for the upper class who is extremely wealthy that is small potatoes.
Right on, and as video shows Russians are very happy as this might mean weaker Nato or no Nato.Not only KKK:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/offb...oasts-trump-victory-with-champagne/vp-AAk67py
Someone said that it's made with the grapes of Crimea.
Popular vote:Hillary: 59,236,903 votes Donald: 59,085,787 votes. Is this a crush?
A case of true natural conservative. Scared shitless of everything a bit different than what he grew up in.According to that guy from California, "middle class" people like him can afford very big "haciendas", a private yacht, and sometimes even a private light aircraft. And he wrote that people from "Real American neighbourhoods" would support building a wall not only along the border with Mexico, but also around "nests of degeneracy" - as he called San Francisco and Los Angeles. One excerpt from his posts (translated):
"(...) we, by all means normal American people, treat these nests of degeneracy / vice such as SF, LA, Denver, or Seattle like some curious types of zoological gardens, inhabited by large numbers of weird and very exotic creatures. It is only a matter of time, until we build high fences around these cities... and start demanding visas from people living inside, in case if any of them would like to move to our side of the fence. Many of you probably remember movies like this made in Hollywood itself, which were very popular circa 25 years ago. (...)"
I must admit that this actually sounds scary, especially considering that this guy has a PhD degree.
What made these people so pissed off? They probably have more than enough of the regressive left and of excessive PC.
We know it is scary for you. You are a natural conservative too. It is a common trait for all natural conservatives. The fear of the new and the different. Recent papers in psychology confirm this fear factor of conservatism.I must admit that this actually sounds scary,
That's right. 10% taxpayers pay 50% of taxes, and 50% of all taxpayers are paying more to the system than they take. 50% of all Americans are supported by the richer 50%. Meaning that system is financially supported by the middle upper class, the rich and the corporations. In this case this is preposterous what Trump does and proposes for all to be smart and avoid paying taxes. America would collapse in few short months if it happened.Here's the thing. Wealthy people/businesses pay a lot of tax. It is a misconception that they all avoid paying, or use loopholes in the system. Where does the funding come from otherwise? The Starbucks baristas and career protestors who are too lazy to work?
They are not necessarily the same voters Angela. Usually voter turnout is about 50%, and usually same people vote in every election and same never vote. This time, I believe, some characters who never vote, came out of woodwork to vote for Trump, and some who usually votes didn't vote this time in protest.
Talking about some characters:
KKK congratulates Trump on the win.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...leader-congratulates-trump--and-thanks-wikil/
And how does it stop a racist liking certain ethnicities and totally disrespect others?
Oh, please Angela, this is crazy. We can as well excuse KKK racist crimes as stupidity, lazy thinking and no filter.
Everybody can make mistakes in quick judgment. However he had years to cool down and rethink all to rectify his angry outburst, but he didn't. Same as with Obama's birth certificate. I'm sure he still believes it was all rigged and he was right all along. He is conspiracy theorist after all. Mind, that in both these cases the "perpetrators" are blacks.
Angela I'am always fond of these kind of election cards, thanks! Just out of curiosity what is the deep blue spot in south dakota, in almost red area.....?
PS Found it obviously American Indians are not Trump supporters! American Asterix and Obelix
"The bluest county in South Dakota is Shannon County, where Obama won 93.4% of the county’s 2012 vote. While the bluest county in most states overwhelmingly voted for Democrats to represent them in the U.S. Congress, Shannon County’s representation has been more even. Over the last five congressional elections, Shannon County helped elect both Republicans and Democrats. The county was roughly 4% white, with a majority of residents identifying as American Indian. By contrast, 74% of Americans identified as white. Also, county residents had a median household income of just $25,648, less than half the national median household income of $53,046."
How about both being unacceptable? Did it cross your mind? How about "no to" any sexual advances against a will of a person? Can you find video like this? Any decent thought left in your head, or degrading and bullying women is your favorite hobby?"Grab them by the pussy" is unacceptable, but "grab them by the dick" apparently is OK:
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