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T was brought to Madagascar via Omani and Persian slave traders that made contact with the region. Not from admixture/arrival of Africans from the Horn of Africa, as this is barely documented if at all. These regions probably have a different time of introduction of T, with T reaching Madagascar significantly late from Persian slave traders of Hormuz. T in the Horn of Africa also has an Arabian peninsular origin, according to their founding father member of Quraish tribe of Mecca. Thhough it probably arrived much earlier in the Horn of Africa than Madagascar, but still significantly late in the game here too.
"They came via Tanzania and Horn of Africa", just one example of Iranian/Arab slave trade ports across Horn of Africa and Madagascar, Tanzanian port of Kilwa kissin.
" Kilwa, in full Kilwa Kisiwani, former Islāmic city-state on an island off the coast of what is now southern Tanzania. Founded in the late 10th century by settlers from Arabia and Iran, it became one of the most active commercial centres on the east coast of Africa"
the antemoro of Madagascar and their derivatives worshipped Islam and wrote in Arabic, because they were derived from the fore mentioned groups.
Again, just like Madagascar, we hear of these 10 th century Arabs founding minor port colonies to continue slave trade. The Isaak and ALL tribes of Horn of Africa (Somalia/Ethiopia etc.) high in T ALSO have legends of being originally from the Arabian peninsula, in this instance as member of mecca's Quraysh tribe.
Ancient cities/ports discovered by the Portuguese in the 16th century were identical, both on the coasts of Madagascar and the Horn of Africa (as far south as coastal kenya/Tanzania). Haplogroup T in Africa IS known to be younger than in the Middle East. I believe there is a relatively ancient Arab/Persian slave trade link that connects Madagascar and the Horn of Africa with the Persian gulf region of the Middle East. The primary port that these Iranian AND Omani slave traders would have used was Hormuz, just to give you an idea of the general region I am referencing.
Ibadi was the sect of Islam worshipped at kilwa (Tanzania); "The Ibāḍī movement, Ibadism or Ibāḍiyya (Arabic: الاباضية al-Ibāḍiyyah) is a form of Islam distinct from Sunni and Shia. It is the dominant sect in Oman and Zanzibar; Ibāḍīs are also found in Algeria, Tunisia, Libya and East Africa. The Tartib al-Musnad and Jami Sahih are the main hadith collections for Ibadis."
origins ;" The school derives its name from ʿAbdu l-Lāh ibn Ibāḍ of the Banu Tamim (Saudi Arabia). However, the true founder was Jābir ibn Zayd of Nizwa, Oman."
Today, 75% of omanian men adhere to Ibadi Islam.
As for Abd-Allah ibn ibadh, the man from whom this sect's name descends: Abdullah ibn Ibadh belongs to the tribe of Bani Murra who are descendants of Murra ibn Ubayd ibn Tamim, and thus he belongs to the tribe of Bani Tamim, one of the largest in the Arabian peninsula.
the bani tamim; Today, descendants from the tribe live in the Arabian Peninsula and neighboring countries such as, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Tunisia, Egypt, Qatar, Oman, Bahrain, United Arab Emirates, Lebanon & the Palestinian Territories. Banu Tamim often hold genealogy in high regard, carefully recording birth and family data (especially in the Arabian Peninsula).
Research kilwa kisiwani on Wikipedia, they practiced a sect of Islam from OMAN, before changing to an Iraqi sect and then later back to Ibadism:
"By the 12th century, under the rule of the Abu'-Mawahib dynasty, Kilwa had become the most powerful city on the East African coast. At the zenith of its power in the 15th century, the Kilwa Sultanate claimed authority over the city-states of Malindi, Mvita (Mombasa), Pemba Island, Zanzibar, Mafia Island, Grande Comore|Comoro, Sofala, and the trading posts across the channel on Madagascar."
"According to local oral tradition, in the 11th century the island of Kilwa Kisiwani was sold to Ali bin Hasan, son of the "King" of Shiraz, in Persia." Need more evidence? Omani Arabs and shirazi Persians.
The kilwa sultanate; "The Kilwa Sultanate was a Medieval sultanate, centered at Kilwa (an island off modern-day Tanzania), whose authority, at its height, stretched over the entire length of the Swahili Coast. It was founded in the 10th century by Ali ibn al-Hassan Shirazi,[1] a Persian prince of Shiraz.[2] His family ruled the Sultanate until the year 1277. It was replaced by the Arab family of Abu Moaheb until 1505, when it was overthrown by a Portuguese invasion. By 1513, the sultanate was already fragmented into smaller states, many of which became protectorates of the Sultanate of Oman."
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The story of Kilwa begins around 960-1000 AD.[3] Ali ibn al-Hassan Shirazi was one of seven sons of a ruler of Shiraz, Persia, his mother an Abyssinian slave. Upon his father's death, Ali was driven out of his inheritance by his brothers.[4] Setting sail out of Hormuz, Ali ibn al-Hassan, his household and a small group of followers first made their way to Mogadishu, the main commercial city of the East African coast. However, Ali failed to get along with the city's Somali elite and he was soon driven out of that city as well.
Kilwa's fortuitous position made it a much better East African trade center than Mogadishu. It quickly began to attract many merchants and immigrants from further north, including Persia and Arabia. In just a few years, the colony was big enough to establish a satellite settlement at nearby Mafia Island.
Also
At the zenith of its power in the 15th century, the Kilwa Sultanate owned or claimed overlordship over the mainland cities of Malindi, Inhambane and Sofala and the island-states of Mombassa, Pemba, Zanzibar, Mafia, Comoro and Mozambique (plus numerous smaller places) - essentially what is now often referred to as the "Swahili Coast".
Noticed how I managed to pin point it a week ago, to the city. Shiraz! : ) Iran and Oman and parts of Saudi Arabia as well! Prince shirazi set sail; out of the port of Hormuz as stated above. High T in Horn of Africa and Madagascar, curiously in synch with Persian slave trade settlements across portions of coastal east Africa.
"They came via Tanzania and Horn of Africa", just one example of Iranian/Arab slave trade ports across Horn of Africa and Madagascar, Tanzanian port of Kilwa kissin.
" Kilwa, in full Kilwa Kisiwani, former Islāmic city-state on an island off the coast of what is now southern Tanzania. Founded in the late 10th century by settlers from Arabia and Iran, it became one of the most active commercial centres on the east coast of Africa"
the antemoro of Madagascar and their derivatives worshipped Islam and wrote in Arabic, because they were derived from the fore mentioned groups.
Again, just like Madagascar, we hear of these 10 th century Arabs founding minor port colonies to continue slave trade. The Isaak and ALL tribes of Horn of Africa (Somalia/Ethiopia etc.) high in T ALSO have legends of being originally from the Arabian peninsula, in this instance as member of mecca's Quraysh tribe.
Ancient cities/ports discovered by the Portuguese in the 16th century were identical, both on the coasts of Madagascar and the Horn of Africa (as far south as coastal kenya/Tanzania). Haplogroup T in Africa IS known to be younger than in the Middle East. I believe there is a relatively ancient Arab/Persian slave trade link that connects Madagascar and the Horn of Africa with the Persian gulf region of the Middle East. The primary port that these Iranian AND Omani slave traders would have used was Hormuz, just to give you an idea of the general region I am referencing.
Ibadi was the sect of Islam worshipped at kilwa (Tanzania); "The Ibāḍī movement, Ibadism or Ibāḍiyya (Arabic: الاباضية al-Ibāḍiyyah) is a form of Islam distinct from Sunni and Shia. It is the dominant sect in Oman and Zanzibar; Ibāḍīs are also found in Algeria, Tunisia, Libya and East Africa. The Tartib al-Musnad and Jami Sahih are the main hadith collections for Ibadis."
origins ;" The school derives its name from ʿAbdu l-Lāh ibn Ibāḍ of the Banu Tamim (Saudi Arabia). However, the true founder was Jābir ibn Zayd of Nizwa, Oman."
Today, 75% of omanian men adhere to Ibadi Islam.
As for Abd-Allah ibn ibadh, the man from whom this sect's name descends: Abdullah ibn Ibadh belongs to the tribe of Bani Murra who are descendants of Murra ibn Ubayd ibn Tamim, and thus he belongs to the tribe of Bani Tamim, one of the largest in the Arabian peninsula.
the bani tamim; Today, descendants from the tribe live in the Arabian Peninsula and neighboring countries such as, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Tunisia, Egypt, Qatar, Oman, Bahrain, United Arab Emirates, Lebanon & the Palestinian Territories. Banu Tamim often hold genealogy in high regard, carefully recording birth and family data (especially in the Arabian Peninsula).
Research kilwa kisiwani on Wikipedia, they practiced a sect of Islam from OMAN, before changing to an Iraqi sect and then later back to Ibadism:
"By the 12th century, under the rule of the Abu'-Mawahib dynasty, Kilwa had become the most powerful city on the East African coast. At the zenith of its power in the 15th century, the Kilwa Sultanate claimed authority over the city-states of Malindi, Mvita (Mombasa), Pemba Island, Zanzibar, Mafia Island, Grande Comore|Comoro, Sofala, and the trading posts across the channel on Madagascar."
"According to local oral tradition, in the 11th century the island of Kilwa Kisiwani was sold to Ali bin Hasan, son of the "King" of Shiraz, in Persia." Need more evidence? Omani Arabs and shirazi Persians.
The kilwa sultanate; "The Kilwa Sultanate was a Medieval sultanate, centered at Kilwa (an island off modern-day Tanzania), whose authority, at its height, stretched over the entire length of the Swahili Coast. It was founded in the 10th century by Ali ibn al-Hassan Shirazi,[1] a Persian prince of Shiraz.[2] His family ruled the Sultanate until the year 1277. It was replaced by the Arab family of Abu Moaheb until 1505, when it was overthrown by a Portuguese invasion. By 1513, the sultanate was already fragmented into smaller states, many of which became protectorates of the Sultanate of Oman."
and
The story of Kilwa begins around 960-1000 AD.[3] Ali ibn al-Hassan Shirazi was one of seven sons of a ruler of Shiraz, Persia, his mother an Abyssinian slave. Upon his father's death, Ali was driven out of his inheritance by his brothers.[4] Setting sail out of Hormuz, Ali ibn al-Hassan, his household and a small group of followers first made their way to Mogadishu, the main commercial city of the East African coast. However, Ali failed to get along with the city's Somali elite and he was soon driven out of that city as well.
Kilwa's fortuitous position made it a much better East African trade center than Mogadishu. It quickly began to attract many merchants and immigrants from further north, including Persia and Arabia. In just a few years, the colony was big enough to establish a satellite settlement at nearby Mafia Island.
Also
At the zenith of its power in the 15th century, the Kilwa Sultanate owned or claimed overlordship over the mainland cities of Malindi, Inhambane and Sofala and the island-states of Mombassa, Pemba, Zanzibar, Mafia, Comoro and Mozambique (plus numerous smaller places) - essentially what is now often referred to as the "Swahili Coast".
Noticed how I managed to pin point it a week ago, to the city. Shiraz! : ) Iran and Oman and parts of Saudi Arabia as well! Prince shirazi set sail; out of the port of Hormuz as stated above. High T in Horn of Africa and Madagascar, curiously in synch with Persian slave trade settlements across portions of coastal east Africa.
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