Politics we might have political anomaly at Turkey.

[Yetos]

as it seems lately,
the military action was already doomed, cause did not happened by Turk officers,

but from Turk-Albanians, who manage to raise even to high command generals of 2nd Army,

that explains why the 2 F16 fighters did not shut-down Erdogan's presidential airplane,

it seems like lower rank officer's and ordinary soldiers, did not want to, and Erdogan was warned even months before that such a thing would happened, and his secret services work,

From the 29 high rank officers 25 are Albanians


Yusuf kurt

the pilot who shot the Russian plane and put the problem among Russia and Turkey is born at Prizren, Turk-Albanian area of Kossyfo

Akin Ozturk

Turkish airforces commander, Born at Albanian area of Kossovo


Adem Huduti

High commander of 2nd Turkish army , Born at Albanian area of Kossovo
2nd Turkish army
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Army_(Turkey)


Metin Iyidli(turkish name) or Idil (albanian name)

the brain, and the designer of the military effort, Born in Turkey, Albanian origin of a family that served Turkey military forces almost a century,
moved to Turkey at 1920's following the defeated Turkish army.

as you see THE TURK-ALBANIANS STILL HOLD STRONG.
they could even turn the 'Sultan' down.

the story of the western sword,
the myths of islam say that moon crescends and swords are the same, but they move, till they make the turn of the world,
so the 3 cresends that turkey and pakistan once have, now have moved,
the west sword has pass from Turkey to Albania at early 1900 AD when the area was known and discussed to get autonomy as West Turkey.
and the Pakistn 3 crescends had moved East of India, to indo-china and Indonesia,
what stoped the West Turkey autonomy, and created Albania is the 10% catholics, which Italy and Austria believed that can rule the land
and the old 23% Orthodox, (today less than 13%) that have the Protocol of Corfu.

 

[Garrick]

They are eternal allies.

Turkey builds in Tirana the biggest mosque in the Balkan

http://www.balkaneu.com/turkey-builds-tirana-biggest-mosque-balkan/

 

[DuPidh]

If anyone was still in doubt, Turkey should never have been included in NATO. Perhaps ten years ago, before Erdogan, it looked as if Turkey was on its way to becoming a modern, progressive, prosperous country. It no longer looks like that.

Erdogan is becoming a Hitler like dictator, in my opinion, with Muslim fundamentalism instead of white racism as his credo, and there were all those people on the streets cheering him on. Very disheartening.

Not, of course, that I favor military coups in general, but the Turkish army has had a history of intervening to actually bring the country back to democracy instead of vice versa. I guess they left it too long; half the army had been replaced.

This retreat into the past has infected Turkey as well, and I think a lot of the blame can be laid at the door of the Saudis and their funding of Islamic schools and other forms of fundamentalist propaganda.

The solution? I have no idea.

I am not an expert on Turkey but saying that Erdogan is becoming like Hitler is an exaggeration or an emotional statement . I see him most as a religious zealot who can do a lot of harm to his countrymen and women but not much in the wider sense. Turkey has had the golden economic age under Erdogan reign, so that has made a lot of his religious supporters to rally behind him. I am not able to say that his presence as a leader has had a role in the economy or he was simply lucky, being a leader when the economy was gouing to grow anyway. As long as he keeps growing the economy ,his supporters will rally behind him but if the economy sours so will his supporters. Erdogan has not much room to maneuver on his foreign policies. His economy is anemic and depends a lot on Europe where he sells his products. If the Europeans decides enough is enough his days are numbered.

 

[Piro Ilir]

They are eternal allies.

Turkey builds in Tirana the biggest mosque in the Balkan

http://www.balkaneu.com/turkey-builds-tirana-biggest-mosque-balkan/

You are derailing the thread. It's almost impossible for you to have a normal discussion, without using your anti Albanian propaganda/rhetoric .

The closest allies of albania are the Americans

From Kosova with love. ....[emoji12]
Scanderbeg "salutes" you , Garric

 

[Piro Ilir]

as it seems lately,
the military action was already doomed, cause did not happened by Turk officers,

but from Turk-Albanians, who manage to raise even to high command generals of 2nd Army,

that explains why the 2 F16 fighters did not shut-down Erdogan's presidential airplane,

it seems like lower rank officer's and ordinary soldiers, did not want to, and Erdogan was warned even months before that such a thing would happened, and his secret services work,

From the 29 high rank officers 25 are Albanians


Yusuf kurt

the pilot who shot the Russian plane and put the problem among Russia and Turkey is born at Prizren, Turk-Albanian area of Kossyfo

Akin Ozturk

Turkish airforces commander, Born at Albanian area of Kossovo


Adem Huduti

High commander of 2nd Turkish army , Born at Albanian area of Kossovo
2nd Turkish army
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Army_(Turkey)


Metin Iyidli(turkish name) or Idil (albanian name)

the brain, and the designer of the military effort, Born in Turkey, Albanian origin of a family that served Turkey military forces almost a century,
moved to Turkey at 1920's following the defeated Turkish army.

as you see THE TURK-ALBANIANS STILL HOLD STRONG.
they could even turn the 'Sultan' down.

the story of the western sword,
the myths of islam say that moon crescends and swords are the same, but they move, till they make the turn of the world,
so the 3 cresends that turkey and pakistan once have, now have moved,
the west sword has pass from Turkey to Albania at early 1900 AD when the area was known and discussed to get autonomy as West Turkey.
and the Pakistn 3 crescends had moved East of India, to indo-china and Indonesia,
what stoped the West Turkey autonomy, and created Albania is the 10% catholics, which Italy and Austria believed that can rule the land
and the old 23% Orthodox, (today less than 13%) that have the Protocol of Corfu.

Could you make a concentrate point. I don't understand this long elaboration from you.

Why you are mingling Albanians with everything. It looks like they are your nightmare [emoji23]

 

[Piro Ilir]

What has to do the protocol of Corfu, with the military coup in Turkey! !!!

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[Piro Ilir]

What has to do the things you brought in your post about Albania, with the current situation in Turkey! !!!

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[Garrick]

You are derailing the thread. It's almost impossible for you to have a normal discussion, without using your anti Albanian propaganda/rhetoric .

No, it is about thread, because Neo-Ottoman agenda.

And not only for Balkans, even Arabs write about it:

Modern day Turkey has made strenuous efforts to improve the image of Ottomanism in the Arab world

http://gulfnews.com/news/mena/syria/few-if-any-remember-the-great-arab-revolt-on-its-100th-anniversary-1.1843017

Erdogan is very proud of his Ottoman past and makes no attempt at hiding this. He insisted that Ottoman-Arab relations were never as bad as Arab history claimed them to be after the First World War. To rewrite that history, he needed Arab fans to believe in what was then called "neo-Ottomanism".

 

[Piro Ilir]

No, it is about thread, because Neo-Ottoman agenda.

And not only for Balkans, even Arabs write about it:

Modern day Turkey has made strenuous efforts to improve the image of Ottomanism in the Arab world

http://gulfnews.com/news/mena/syria/few-if-any-remember-the-great-arab-revolt-on-its-100th-anniversary-1.1843017

Erdogan is very proud of his Ottoman past and makes no attempt at hiding this. He insisted that Ottoman-Arab relations were never as bad as Arab history claimed them to be after the First World War. To rewrite that history, he needed Arab fans to believe in what was then called "neo-Ottomanism".

As probably you know many of the turkish military commanders of the supposed coup were of Albanian origin. So, even the Albanian minority of Turkey are against this ottoman uprising of Erdogan.

In Macedonia, Kosova and Albania, there are some schools and colleges controlled and owned by Fetulah Gulen. Erdogan during his visits in Albania and Kosovo, demanded to the government for the closure of these schools. He said clearly, that if Albania wish for good relationships with Turkey, every activity of Gulen in the aforementioned countries should be closed. The responses were definitely negative. Albania and Kosovo are sovereign countries, and definitely they don't take orders from Turkey. (Especially an Ottoman Turkey)


If Erdogan wants to revive the ottoman state, that is his business. You probably know well that the national hero of Albanians is George Kastrioti, and no one forced them to make him a hero.

In Europe the Albanians were the most nation that was harmed by the ottoman empire, and thus, they will be the first to oppose any kind of Ottoman revival.

As for the mosque, : After 25 years of democracy, the Sunni branch of Muslims in Tirana don't have a cathedral mosque, like the other religions do(Orthodox, Catholic and Bektashi), thus I don't see any problem if they have a place for their worshiping. The mosques in Tirana are very small, and people are praying on the streets(Friday). I think it's part of democracy allowing them to have a decent religious site .

It would be more interesting to talk about Turkey, rather than talking about Albanians all the time.

 

[Garrick]

As probably you know many of the turkish military commanders of the supposed coup were of Albanian origin. So, even the Albanian minority of Turkey are against this ottoman uprising of Erdogan.

In Macedonia, Kosova and Albania, there are some schools and colleges controlled and owned by Fetulah Gulen. Erdogan during his visits in Albania and Kosovo, demanded to the government for the closure of these schools. He said clearly, that if Albania wish for good relationships with Turkey, every activity of Gulen in the aforementioned countries should be closed. The responses were definitely negative. Albania and Kosovo are sovereign countries, and definitely they don't take orders from Turkey. (Especially an Ottoman Turkey)


If Erdogan wants to revive the ottoman state, that is his business. You probably know well that the national hero of Albanians is George Kastrioti, and no one forced them to make him a hero.

In Europe the Albanians were the most nation that was harmed by the ottoman empire, and thus, they will be the first to oppose any kind of Ottoman revival.

As for the mosque, : After 25 years of democracy, the Sunni branch of Muslims in Tirana don't have a cathedral mosque, like the other religions do(Orthodox, Catholic and Bektashi), thus I don't see any problem if they have a place for their worshiping. The mosques in Tirana are very small, and people are praying on the streets(Friday). I think it's part of democracy allowing them to have a decent religious site .

It would be more interesting to talk about Turkey, rather than talking about Albanians all the time.

Piro
You know better that are close ties between Turkey and Albania, religious, business, cultural and each other.

When Erdogan visited Albania last year:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/0...with-100-businessmen-to-discuss-economic.html

"Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is visiting Albania to discuss increasing economic ties with the small Balkan nation, heading a delegation of about 100 businessmen as he arrived in the capital for meetings with Albanian government officials.

Turkey is one of Albania's main trading partners and investors. Erdogan, who last visited the country six years ago, was meeting Wednesday with his counterpart Bujar Nishani and Prime Minister Edi Rama.


During his visit, Erdogan was to inaugurate the start of construction on a 20,000-square-meter mosque to be built next to the parliament building in the capital Tirana. The Namazgja Mosque will put an end to praying on the main Boulevard Martyrs of the Nation during Muslim religious ceremonies.


Albania's 3.2 million population is predominantly Muslim."

...

It is impossible that we discuss about Turkey and exclude other states, especially in the Balkans, due to Neo-Ottoman agenda.

 

[Piro Ilir]

Piro
You know better that are close ties between Turkey and Albania, religious, business, cultural and each other.

When Erdogan visited Albania last year:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/0...with-100-businessmen-to-discuss-economic.html

"Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is visiting Albania to discuss increasing economic ties with the small Balkan nation, heading a delegation of about 100 businessmen as he arrived in the capital for meetings with Albanian government officials.

Turkey is one of Albania's main trading partners and investors. Erdogan, who last visited the country six years ago, was meeting Wednesday with his counterpart Bujar Nishani and Prime Minister Edi Rama.


During his visit, Erdogan was to inaugurate the start of construction on a 20,000-square-meter mosque to be built next to the parliament building in the capital Tirana. The Namazgja Mosque will put an end to praying on the main Boulevard Martyrs of the Nation during Muslim religious ceremonies.


Albania's 3.2 million population is predominantly Muslim."

...

It is impossible that we discuss about Turkey and exclude other states, especially in the Balkans, due to Neo-Ottoman agenda.

Erdogan has a neo Ottoman agenda. Nothing surprising in it.

I explained in my previous post what was the intention of Erdogan during that visit in Tirana. He brought with him these turkish businessmans as a pressure against the albanian government. He offered economic investments, as a reward for the closure of the education institutions controlled by Fetulah Gulen. The response of government of Tirana was negative. They refused every Turkish demand for the closure of these schools. I responded about the mosque. As long as there is a Christian orthodox cathedral in center Tirana, and also a Catholic cathedral church , l don't see anything wrong if the Sunni don't have their own cathedral mosque in Tirana. Better paying for that mosque the Turks/Arabs than spending money the Albanian government.

Using the Erdogan's agenda of the neo ottomanism, against the Albanian state, it won't give profits.

Albania it's a multi religious country. Bektashi, Sunni, Orthodox, Catholic, etc. Any from these religions according to the constitution, have the right of using religious sites. Just to mention: The current Albanian prime minister of albania is democratically elected(Edi Rama) . He is a Catholic. Before being elected as prime minister, he was elected three mandates (eleven years) as the mayor of tirana 2000-2011. The current mayor of Tirana is a Christian protestant.

The most anti Erdogan turkish people, except the Kurds, are the turkish citizens of Albanian origin. The last arrest order is for the famous former turkish football player, and current turkish politician Hakan Shukur, whose is of Albanian origin.

Any serious fact shows that the Albanians of Albania, Greece, Kosova and Turkey are against Erdogan. The only Albanian population which shows a pro Erdogan sustention. However, after the recently Erdogan's alliance with Russia, they will derail.

 

[LABERIA]

http://defence-blog.com/news/us-moves-nuclear-weapons-from-turkey-to-romania.html

US moves nuclear weapons from Turkey to Romania

Two independent sources told EurActiv.com that the US has started transferring nuclear weapons stationed in Turkey to Romania, against the background of worsening relations between Washington and Ankara .

According to one of the sources, the transfer has been very challenging in technical and political terms.

“It’s not easy to move 20+ nukes,” said the source, on conditions of anonymity.

According to a recent report by the Simson Center, since the Cold War, some 50 US tactical nuclear weapons have been stationed at Turkey’s Incirlik air base, approximately 100 kilometers from the Syrian border.

 

[Virtue]

http://defence-blog.com/news/us-moves-nuclear-weapons-from-turkey-to-romania.html

US moves nuclear weapons from Turkey to Romania

Two independent sources told EurActiv.com that the US has started transferring nuclear weapons stationed in Turkey to Romania, against the background of worsening relations between Washington and Ankara .

According to one of the sources, the transfer has been very challenging in technical and political terms.

“It’s not easy to move 20+ nukes,” said the source, on conditions of anonymity.

According to a recent report by the Simson Center, since the Cold War, some 50 US tactical nuclear weapons have been stationed at Turkey’s Incirlik air base, approximately 100 kilometers from the Syrian border.

I think this is a good move. Romanians seem like responsible people. Turks having nukes does not seem like a good idea to me at all. (knowing their disgusting history.)

 

[Garrick]

Erdogan has a neo Ottoman agenda. Nothing surprising in it.

I explained in my previous post what was the intention of Erdogan during that visit in Tirana. He brought with him these turkish businessmans as a pressure against the albanian government. He offered economic investments, as a reward for the closure of the education institutions controlled by Fetulah Gulen. The response of government of Tirana was negative. They refused every Turkish demand for the closure of these schools. I responded about the mosque. As long as there is a Christian orthodox cathedral in center Tirana, and also a Catholic cathedral church , l don't see anything wrong if the Sunni don't have their own cathedral mosque in Tirana. Better paying for that mosque the Turks/Arabs than spending money the Albanian government.

Using the Erdogan's agenda of the neo ottomanism, against the Albanian state, it won't give profits.

Albania it's a multi religious country. Bektashi, Sunni, Orthodox, Catholic, etc. Any from these religions according to the constitution, have the right of using religious sites. Just to mention: The current Albanian prime minister of albania is democratically elected(Edi Rama) . He is a Catholic. Before being elected as prime minister, he was elected three mandates (eleven years) as the mayor of tirana 2000-2011. The current mayor of Tirana is a Christian protestant.

The most anti Erdogan turkish people, except the Kurds, are the turkish citizens of Albanian origin. The last arrest order is for the famous former turkish football player, and current turkish politician Hakan Shukur, whose is of Albanian origin.

Any serious fact shows that the Albanians of Albania, Greece, Kosova and Turkey are against Erdogan. The only Albanian population which shows a pro Erdogan sustention. However, after the recently Erdogan's alliance with Russia, they will derail.

It is from the top, it is imposed because politics, someone can think about taqiyya, but it doesn't matter.

What is deep it is in base, in culture, values, assumptions, norms, religious beliefs, tradition, unconscious (collective), etc.

And we can see that Albanians by far most like to watch Turkish series, cheer when Turks win in some sport, to wholeheartedly accept Turkish (although now and Arab, Iranian, even Pakistani etc.) missionaries, etc.

 

[Piro Ilir]

It is from the top, it is imposed because politics, someone can think about taqiyya, but it doesn't matter.

What is deep it is in base, in culture, values, assumptions, norms, religious beliefs, tradition, unconscious (collective), etc.

And we can see that Albanians by far most like to watch Turkish series, cheer when Turks win in some sport, to wholeheartedly accept Turkish (although now and Arab, Iranian, even Pakistani etc.) missionaries, etc.

Albanians generally like football, and surely they cheer the wins of England, Italy ,Germany and Brazil. Never heard about your claim.

Albanian women see not only Turkish tv series, but also Brazilian series, Mexican, Colombian, Bolivian, Indian, etc.

The Albanian people according to the serious polls, are whether the most pro American and the most pro NATO people in south east Europe. Turkish generally have a negative view about USA. This tells a lot.

As for the missionaries that you mentioned, there are also many American protestant missionaries and from Italy, Germany etc either.

You should understand that it doesn't help bringing all the time, in every thread this anti Albanian stuff.

 

[Piro Ilir]

Garric, do you have anything interesting about the topic of this thread, or you are stuck deeper only in Albanian stuff.

It seems amazing that your thoughts are always connected with the Albanian nation. ...

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[Nik]

Garrick thinks he's talking to ignorant people who know nothing the world. U claim Albanians watch Turkish TV shows the most? Dude, I've been to Serbia and they're everywhere in ur national TV. Turkish celebrities are admired by many Serbs and I always see Serbian girls reposting in Instagram the videos of some "good-looking" Turkish guy singing in his car. Come out of ur little box and make a trip to Albania, it will help ur condition.

 

[LABERIA]

It is from the top, it is imposed because politics, someone can think about taqiyya, but it doesn't matter.

What is deep it is in base, in culture, values, assumptions, norms, religious beliefs, tradition, unconscious (collective), etc.

And we can see that Albanians by far most like to watch Turkish series, cheer when Turks win in some sport, to wholeheartedly accept Turkish (although now and Arab, Iranian, even Pakistani etc.) missionaries, etc.

Serbia biggest movie star Zlata Numanagic decides to move permanently to Albania.
And i quote her exact words:
"Albanians are a people so attentive, hospitable and loving I have never seen elsewhere and believe me, I have travelled a lot around the world," says the Serbian actress"

http://www.tiranatimes.com/?p=128871

This can be considered a knife behind your back from your compatriot, for you Garrick.

 

[bicicleur 2]

a few hours after the failed coup Turkey acused Gülen movement
they would produce evidence the day after
uptill today not a single shred of evidence has been produced

https://nl.express.live/2016/08/29/beschuldigingen-tegen-gullen-bleken-vals/

“Turkey is conceding it has not sent any evidence to Washington linking Fethullah Gulen to the failed July 15 coup attempt, despite increasingly angry calls by Ankara for the United States to extradite the Pennsylvania-based cleric or suffer a severe downgrade in diplomatic relations.”
“In a statement to Foreign Policy, Turkish Embassy spokesman Naci Aydan Karamanoğlu said evidence linking Gulen to the coup ‘will be submitted in due time.’”


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[Piro Ilir]

a few hours after the failed coup Turkey acused Gülen movement
they would produce evidence the day after
uptill today not a single shred of evidence has been produced

https://nl.express.live/2016/08/29/beschuldigingen-tegen-gullen-bleken-vals/

“Turkey is conceding it has not sent any evidence to Washington linking Fethullah Gulen to the failed July 15 coup attempt, despite increasingly angry calls by Ankara for the United States to extradite the Pennsylvania-based cleric or suffer a severe downgrade in diplomatic relations.”
“In a statement to Foreign Policy, Turkish Embassy spokesman Naci Aydan Karamanoğlu said evidence linking Gulen to the coup ‘will be submitted in due time.’”


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They don't have any serious evidence against Gulen, however, even if they have, they aren't gonna use it. Why? Because they need an excuse/alibi for their new relationship with Shanghai-p. USA won't extradite Gulen without serious evidences.