Question What should be the punishment for rapists and pedophiles ?

[Eldritch]

The crimes we describe as "rape" are nearly as varied as people involved. The appropriate actions required to rehabilitate, the severity of the offense, the damage done, the likelyhood of reoffending, these things all depends are the exact nature and circumstances of the crime and pretending that there being a "standard punishment for rape" ccould ever work is lazy and ignorant.
And this is another point but I don't think punishment should be the goal of the justice system, regardless of what the "appropriate punishment" is, thats not even the question our justice system should be asking. It should be wondering "how do we make things better - for everyone" and "how do we fix the broken members of society".

 

[LeBrok]

The crimes we describe as "rape" are nearly as varied as people involved. The appropriate actions required to rehabilitate, the severity of the offense, the damage done, the likelyhood of reoffending, these things all depends are the exact nature and circumstances of the crime and pretending that there being a "standard punishment for rape" ccould ever work is lazy and ignorant.
And this is another point but I don't think punishment should be the goal of the justice system, regardless of what the "appropriate punishment" is, thats not even the question our justice system should be asking. It should be wondering "how do we make things better - for everyone" and "how do we fix the broken members of society".

The idea is to correct behavior by inducing pain.

 

[Angela]

In the U.S. there's indeed a difference in terms of how many years convicted racists serve in prison depending on the situation.

A child rapist is among the lowest forms of human life. Their recidivist rate is horrendous. You can't rehabilitate them. They should be locked away for good. The same goes for serial rapists of adults. Or, for the latter, we can go Old Testament with a technological twist and just chemically castrate them. It's already being done. These subgroups really can't be cured, so those are the options on the table.

 

[TDGBlitz08]

As someone who has worked with criminals - this is in a mental hospital for those considered criminally insane, so by no means little wimps flexing muscle thinking themselves tough [we had cannibals, serial rapists, killers, psychopaths and sociopaths, etc.] - I can tell you a few things. Most "serial" anythings do not learn and they definitely do not "repent". Re-education programs are by & large mostly useless - because if they really "worked" you'd not hear about Jack, Dick and Joe doing it all over again sometimes five seconds out the door - because the "experts" who spend 30 minutes a month with these people think they know all.

We had one patient who did not believe in western medicine but the "experts" said he was okay to go wander the streets unsupervised after totally ignoring the comments of nurses who worked with this guy almost 24/7.

We had one serial rapist who was never, ever allowed - not even for a minute - to be left alone with any female staff. This is despite having done his crimes nearly 12 years ago because there was something "wrong" in his head. Any time a woman was doing anything in this guy's vicinity at least one male staff was nearby and doors were NEVER allowed to be shut.

We also had a guy, a number of years behind bars, who seemed pretty harmless. He had raped, killed, chopped up his wife, and served her for dinner with all the indifference you'd show a chunk of beef.


So as for this - sterilize them. Better yet, cruel as it sounds, just put them on death row. A number of prisons are playgrounds nowadays due to PC & human rights complaints, etc. - exercise rooms, TV, etc. There's a reason why you get repeat offenders.


Oh and as for the comment about such people getting the crap beaten out of them in jail - better believe it. These sorts are considered scum - utter bottom of the totem pole, particularly child molesters.

 

[LeBrok]

As someone who has worked with criminals - this is in a mental hospital for those considered criminally insane, so by no means little wimps flexing muscle thinking themselves tough [we had cannibals, serial rapists, killers, psychopaths and sociopaths, etc.] - I can tell you a few things. Most "serial" anythings do not learn and they definitely do not "repent". Re-education programs are by & large mostly useless - because if they really "worked" you'd not hear about Jack, Dick and Joe doing it all over again sometimes five seconds out the door - because the "experts" who spend 30 minutes a month with these people think they know all.

We had one patient who did not believe in western medicine but the "experts" said he was okay to go wander the streets unsupervised after totally ignoring the comments of nurses who worked with this guy almost 24/7.

We had one serial rapist who was never, ever allowed - not even for a minute - to be left alone with any female staff. This is despite having done his crimes nearly 12 years ago because there was something "wrong" in his head. Any time a woman was doing anything in this guy's vicinity at least one male staff was nearby and doors were NEVER allowed to be shut.

We also had a guy, a number of years behind bars, who seemed pretty harmless. He had raped, killed, chopped up his wife, and served her for dinner with all the indifference you'd show a chunk of beef.


So as for this - sterilize them. Better yet, cruel as it sounds, just put them on death row. A number of prisons are playgrounds nowadays due to PC & human rights complaints, etc. - exercise rooms, TV, etc. There's a reason why you get repeat offenders.


Oh and as for the comment about such people getting the crap beaten out of them in jail - better believe it. These sorts are considered scum - utter bottom of the totem pole, particularly child molesters.

I do believe that for such serial criminals only chemical "castration" makes sense, otherwise they shouldn't be ever released. In some worst and unambiguous case death penalty for serial offenders might be the best solution for all parties.
Welcome to Eupedia TDGBlitz08.

 

[firetown]

In the U.S. there's indeed a difference in terms of how many years convicted racists serve in prison depending on the situation.

A child rapist is among the lowest forms of human life. Their recidivist rate is horrendous. You can't rehabilitate them. They should be locked away for good. The same goes for serial rapists of adults. Or, for the latter, we can go Old Testament with a technological twist and just chemically castrate them. It's already being done. These subgroups really can't be cured, so those are the options on the table.

If you give capital punishment for murder, chemical castration would be equally appropriate. With a rape happening every seven minutes, the amount of rapists in the states alone must be in the millions ... scarry but true. No, the lock them up for good thing needs to stop imo. Even though there is financial interest in such a "solution". But if indeed justice was to prevail and all rapists get convicted, it would be financially impossible to make this happen.

What is important is to stop the cycle of abuse as many victims of pedophilia re-enact and later become pedophiles themselves.

Alongside the right message being sent.

What we are dealing with is two issues:

1) The sick desire.
2) The decision to act upon it.
I don't believe there should be second chances for those who have been proven to commit these crimes. And there is absolutely no other way to go about it but to ensure that those who "have completed both tasks" will be kept from ever having an erection again.

Nothing unusual painful, no grandstanding, no more talk what we should do and throwing out cool phrases. Logic is the only approach to ensure that the next generation will be better off than this one.

 

[don_joe]

The problem is not the appropriate punishment, it's rather the question if we have the right person caught. Look at the news from the US, they have a series of prisoners being released and proved not guilty after decades in prison. What's worse, to have punished someone with mutilation who isn't guilty or having a guilty person just locked away?

 

[davef]

What's worse, to have punished someone with mutilation who isn't guilty or having a guilty person just locked away?

No offense, but isn't the answer to this question a little obvious?

 

[don_joe]

No offense, but isn't the answer to this question a little obvious?

No offense. It is. Just my answer to this debate.