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Here are few options and longer descriptions:
1. Be glad that so many people love Europe and want to come here to live. Create refugee camps, give them work and education, and rip benefits from cheap labour and millions of new consumers. Let them chose their destination country.
2. Same as 1, but distribute emigrants throughout Europe according to countries GDP and territory, therefore ability to take care of immigrants in relation to countries wealth and space. They wouldn't be able to cross Euro borders at will. Destination country is chosen by lottery.
There are depopulated parts of Europe
3. Arrest them and send back to their own country, or country they were last in before crossing to Europe. Cost might be huge but smaller than keeping immigrants on welfare system.
4. Same as 3, but take them onto a selected island on Mediterranean Sea closer to Africa and Asia and let them do whatever they want there. Install a cellphone tower on this island so they can call home for someone to get them.
5. Shoot them when crossing boarders illegally and refuse to stop for authority and go back. News about death penalty when crossing to Europe illegally should deter future potential immigrants from coming. Like it used to be during Cold War.
6. Please elaborate on your solution. Many people react to this situation, but not many can come up with viable idea to end this crisis.
7. Or is there any viable solution to make most parties happy? Perhaps it is a checkmate, and all parties will be unhappy no matter what?

Issue of illegal immigrants flooding Europe is very hot now. Many countries react in various ways from compassionate, indifferent to paranoiac like Hungary. Generally EU is unable to create a solution to this problem, or organize a coherent refugee system, or even communicate rationally between involved parties. I just wonder if most people will react in compassionate or defensive way?

Many villages in Europe are getting empty, with unoccupied houses. I think many refugees would be happy to live in nice and quite European villages, and feed themselves too.
 
First of all European countries need to change the idiotic laws regarding assulum and welfare.
 
LeBrok said:
Many villages in Europe are getting empty, with unoccupied houses. I think many refugees would be happy to live in nice and quite European villages, and feed themselves too.
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You have some nerve.

Why should European nations give up their old villages, empty or not, to outsiders.
 
Vallicanus said:
You have some nerve.

Why should European nations give up their old villages, empty or not, to outsiders.
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I'm guessing that you are not aware of Spanish program granting permanent residence to Spanish speaking South Americans, who want to emigrate to Spain and live in these empty villages. As you see these villages are being given to none Europeans already. Your stand reminds me a story about a gardener's dog. It never had use for anything from the garden but didn't let anyone else using it either. You just guard, you guard the empty villages and empty houses, just for the sake of guarding, sake of your duty, and sake of owning something even things useless for you.

There are many other reasons to help these immigrants to settle in Europe. Firstly from being human and helping human beings in times of great need. Are you vaguely familiar with feeling of compassion? Secondly, they will benefit all Europe as workers and customers. Thirdly, many if not most of them, need only a shelter for few years till they can go back to their countries. And who knows, in few hundreds of years, when Ice Age start covering Europe with Ice again, Europeans will look for land south to resettle. Well, Near East will say, screw you now for your great help when we need it. Freeze to death Europeans.
 
Kardu said:
First of all European countries need to change the idiotic laws regarding assulum and welfare.
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What this has to do with refuges who flee persecution and war? They just need a place to settle, work, survive, have some dignity, and come back home when is safe. Do you think they were on welfare system in Syria? They know how to work, to work hard.
Here are some stats from UK about employment by nationality:

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http://www.londonspovertyprofile.or.../worklessness-by-gender-and-country-of-birth/

UK men citizens are in the middle of the pack if it comes to willingness to work, behind Ghana and Kenya men.
 
Someone has voted other solution. What is the other solution?
 
LeBrok said:
What this has to do with refuges who flee persecution and war? They just need a place to settle, work, survive, have some dignity, and come back home when is safe. Do you think they were on welfare system in Syria? They know how to work, to work hard.
Here are some stats from UK about employment by nationality:

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http://www.londonspovertyprofile.or.../worklessness-by-gender-and-country-of-birth/

UK men citizens are in the middle of the pack if it comes to willingness to work, behind Ghana and Kenya men.
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what does this graph mean ? it says : [h=4]Working-age adults in London not in paid work by gender and country of birth.[/h]
who is behind this website?

it seems they only talk about London , not the whole UK

I agree with Kardu on this
 
LeBrok said:
I'm guessing that you are not aware of Spanish program granting permanent residence to Spanish speaking South Americans, who want to emigrate to Spain and live in these empty villages. As you see these villages are being given to none Europeans already. Your stand reminds me a story about a gardener's dog. It never had use for anything from the garden but didn't let anyone else using it either. You just guard, you guard the empty villages and empty houses, just for the sake of guarding, sake of your duty, and sake of owning something even things useless for you.

There are many other reasons to help these immigrants to settle in Europe. Firstly from being human and helping human beings in times of great need. Are you vaguely familiar with feeling of compassion? Secondly, they will benefit all Europe as workers and customers. Thirdly, many if not most of them, need only a shelter for few years till they can go back to their countries. And who knows, in few hundreds of years, when Ice Age start covering Europe with Ice again, Europeans will look for land south to resettle. Well, Near East will say, screw you now for your great help when we need it. Freeze to death Europeans.
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Do you seriously think most SS Africans and Syrians/Iraqis will go back to their homelands.

Please offer to take refugees into your own home if you are genuinely so compassionate.
 
LeBrok: Many countries react in various ways from compassionate, indifferent to paranoiac like Hungary.
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Claims from Hungary have since declined dramatically, after it was designated by Canada as one of the “safe countries” in late 2012 for expedited processing of claims. Last year, only 400 claims came from Hungary, according to the Immigration and Refugee Board.
“Even though Roma do not need a visa to come to Canada, they are kept out of the country. This is a form of discrimination, an example of racial profiling by the Canadian government,” said Gina Csanyi-Robah, the alliance’s co-founder and executive director.
http://www.metronews.ca/news/canada...ally-profiling-roma-hungarian-travellers.html

http://www.thestar.com/news/immigra...oma-refugees-law-school-researchers-find.html

For Hungarian Roma hoping to be accepted by Canada as refugees, the outcome is pretty much a crap shoot.

So who is paranoid?
 
The dramatic rise of asylum seekers – most of which come from Middle East and Africa – has been followed by growing trend of xenophobic attacks targeting non-European migrants. In 2014, there were 150 attacks by right wing extremists in Germany on accommodations of asylum seekers – triple the number of such incidents in the previous year, and more than six times the total attacks in 2012.
The trend has continued in 2015, most notably with an arson attack against an accommodation dormitory for asylum-seekers in Troglitz, and the torching of a meeting point for refugees in Berlin. There have been 25 attacks cases of assault and physical injury against refugees in the first four months of the year, according to the Amadeu Antonio Foundation and Pro Asyl, two NGOs that collaborate to keep track of violent displays of right wing extremists in Germany.
http://america.aljazeera.com/articl...kers-face-increasing-violence-in-germany.html
 
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29074736


The Home Office said Border Force and the French authorities together prevented more than 39,000 attempts to cross the Channel illegally in 2014/15 - more than double the number prevented the previous year, while Eurotunnel, which operates the Channel Tunnel says it has blocked 37,000 attempts since January.

Are Germany,France and GB paranoids?
 
gyms said:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29074736


The Home Office said Border Force and the French authorities together prevented more than 39,000 attempts to cross the Channel illegally in 2014/15 - more than double the number prevented the previous year, while Eurotunnel, which operates the Channel Tunnel says it has blocked 37,000 attempts since January.

Are Germany,France and GB paranoids?
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No.
Germany has more asylum applications than other countries and Merkel has welcomed all Syrian refugees who want to enter Germany.
 
Whoever is in favor of more migrants entering and staying in Europe, please state a clear number of how many of them it can accomodate in coming 5 years. 1 million, 10 million, 100 million?!
 
Vallicanus said:
Do you seriously think most SS Africans and Syrians/Iraqis will go back to their homelands.

Please offer to take refugees into your own home if you are genuinely so compassionate.
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It doesn't make sense. I'm offering empty villages and empty homes, not your home, not someone home. The houses are empty!
 
gyms said:
"Claims from Hungary have since declined dramatically, after it was designated by Canada as one of the “safe countries” in late 2012 for expedited processing of claims. Last year, only 400 claims came from Hungary, according to the Immigration and Refugee Board.
“Even though Roma do not need a visa to come to Canada, they are kept out of the country. This is a form of discrimination, an example of racial profiling by the Canadian government,” said Gina Csanyi-Robah, the alliance’s co-founder and executive director.
http://www.metronews.ca/news/canada...ally-profiling-roma-hungarian-travellers.html
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First this is just an accusation, secondly Canada takes 300 thousand immigrants a year from all races, secondly what does it has to do with refugee crisis in Europe?


For Hungarian Roma hoping to be accepted by Canada as refugees, the outcome is pretty much a crap shoot.

So who is paranoid?
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People from various ethnic groups are refused permanent resident status for many reasons. I'm sure all off them accuse Canada of racism. Again, Canada accepts 300k people a year, and every year, and from all races. Paranoid?

Why are you being so defensive? This thread is about finding a solution to refugee crises in Europe. What is your solution?
 
gyms said:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29074736


The Home Office said Border Force and the French authorities together prevented more than 39,000 attempts to cross the Channel illegally in 2014/15 - more than double the number prevented the previous year, while Eurotunnel, which operates the Channel Tunnel says it has blocked 37,000 attempts since January.

Are Germany,France and GB paranoids?
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It is not about being paranoid, but lacking a plan what to do with this wave of refugees. It is a mess and solution is needed.
 
bicicleur said:
what does this graph mean ? it says : Working-age adults in London not in paid work by gender and country of birth.


who is behind this website?

it seems they only talk about London , not the whole UK

I agree with Kardu on this
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I'm not sure about the website, but this graph is based on official UK census of 2011.
 
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