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Genetic study Whole-genome ancestry of an Old Kingdom Egyptian

real expert said:
This finding seems to validate the work of traditional physical anthropologists and Egyptologists such as Petrie and Smith, along with craniometry and anthropometry.

Based on their classification of skulls and human remains, Egyptologists Smith and Petrie concluded that there was a migration from Mesopotamia to Egypt during predynastic times. According to their theory, which is referred to as "the dynastic race theory", Mesopotamian invaders established the first dynasty and introduced culture and civilization to Egypt.

Nevertheless, the proposal that the advanced culture of Egypt was brought in by Mesopotamian immigrants or conquerors rather than developing locally is still a matter of debate, IMO.
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I fail to see this, this sample belongs to a subclade of E-M35, many more E-M78 to come from Old Kingdom. Egyptian Culture was very specific and quite different from Mesopotamian one. Natufians themselves were descended from Nile Valley Cultures, at least paternally, that's when Prehistoric Middle East started changing, Mushabians introduced microburin technique which was the swiss knive of stone tools, proto-farming ideas, this coincides quite well with archaeology where we find Paleolithic evidence of flint mining in Egypt, some primitive form of proto-farming in Mesolithic Egypt. It was a corridor used by similar people back and forward due to climate changes.
 
So is E-1b1b1b2b- E-M35, E-V1515 or something else?
 
So, the Morocco_MN sample used to model NUE001 is skh001?

If so, I modeled skh001 with qpAdm on IllustrativeDNA.

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I tried a previous run where the AHG Pinarbasi was included, however, it was a failure due to it being assigned as a negative admixture.

for this one, I just used Natufian for the source:

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pat wt dof chisq p f4rank Israel_Natufian.AG feasible best dofdiff chisqdiff p_nested
0 0 11 3.5941357970965466 0.9803239413743543 0 1 TRUE NA NA NA NA


References:

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If anyone has some suggestions for references and sources to use instead these let me know!
 
Did some admixture modeling for NUE001. And I understand why the authors like the Morocco MN sample as a source:

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Modeled with just Natufian:

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Anfänger said:
No SSA and Bell Beaker ancestry as expected but I doubt this will change anything in the minds of some fanatics.

This is the Nuwayrat individual‘s facial reconstruction:
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This was so predictable... Afrocentrists are now latching on to the pigmentation prediction of the Nuwayart man, which categorized him as "dark to black", and running with it.

Anyone familiar with HIrisPlex-S knows that their "dark to black" category is pretty vague and based on Middle Eastern skin tones.
Plus, sometimes East Asians who aren't that dark also score "dark to black"……

Besides, the depicted man is from the Beja tribe and partially West Asian/Natufian and not fully SSA:


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real expert said:
This was so predictable... Afrocentrists are now latching on to the pigmentation prediction of the Nuwayart man, which categorized him as "dark to black", and running with it.

Anyone familiar with HIrisPlex-S knows that their "dark to black" category is pretty vague and based on Middle Eastern skin tones.
Plus, sometimes East Asians who aren't that dark also score "dark to black"……

Besides, the depicted man is from the Beja tribe and partially West Asian/Natufian and not fully SSA:


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Some of them try to claim Papuans and Onge people because of their somewhat similar skin tone and facial features. But it's so easy to refute by showing how far apart those groups are genetically to Sub-Saharan populations by showing a PCA chart. If they wish to argue solely on skin tone, then I suppose that we are going to have to now consider most East Asians white.

What are the odds that the first high coverage Old Kingdom genome comes back as not SSA? If the Ancient Egyptians were a majority Sub-Saharan group, I would expect the first genome from the Old Kingdom to be overwhelmingly SSA admixed. However, that's not what happened.

Afrocentrists will also continue to argue "Not enough samples" or "He was a migrant". It's my hope that archaeogenetics will produce more high coverage and no to little contamination Old Kingdom Egyptian genomes and earlier to help silence the Afrocentrics. They will not be 100% silenced ever. I'm convinced if we had scientists develop a time machine that let us travel to all ancient periods in Egypt's history, Afrocentrists would still argue against the findings. Even if scientists were to take an Afrocentrist with them in the time machine, their arguement would be: "We were sent to a different timeline/universe where the Egyptians were not black."

Not sure If I shared these models yet. I modeled NUE001 with Morocco MN skh001 and Iran Ganj Dareh N:

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References:
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This model somewhat mimics the findings of the study:

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I was wondering what the admixture was of the MN Moroccans, so I looked into it:

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Completely agree with both of you. There is no way to convince Afrocentrists, that’s why I call them fanatics.

I don’t argue with them anymore and mostly block them from my feeds.
 
afrocentrists are the best . y'all are just haters

no seriously they are annoying
 
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real expert said:
This was so predictable... Afrocentrists are now latching on to the pigmentation prediction of the Nuwayart man, which categorized him as "dark to black", and running with it.

Anyone familiar with HIrisPlex-S knows that their "dark to black" category is pretty vague and based on Middle Eastern skin tones.
Plus, sometimes East Asians who aren't that dark also score "dark to black"……

Besides, the depicted man is from the Beja tribe and partially West Asian/Natufian and not fully SSA:


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Exactly! Also, the prediction model could not distinguish between the two categories (dark and dark to black). The Full AUC was the same. 14 different skin tones cover those two categories in HIrisPlex-S. Add to this that he was missing many alleles for skin (SLC45A2) and hair (inm 8 of them) and as such the model does not perform as well. Then add the fact that he did have derived alleles (AA) for SLC24A5. The data said 0 Gs.

That's why they said there was no evidence for the phenotype predictions and thus went with the grey reconstruction.
 
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