Why are men of the Dinaric Highlands so tall?

Could it also be that tall people are more likely to have children? I saw studies that tall men tend to be more successful in life. So maybe micro-evolution could be what we are dealing with. Generally speaking, being tall seems to be considered attractive. So this could also be at least a part of it.
 
"human height" state is a non-sense for ancient periods, for more than a reason (unleven samples in the first place) -
so high statured men are more successful and have more children? But what does explain the very low stature countries or regions in Europe? Not only the level of life. Only a selection system eliminating small males could obtain this result (it could have been partly the case during metals ages BTW, explaining the high men in Northern Europe with a lot of Steppic ancestors adn a warlike culture. But what could explain the differences in the very Balkans except genetics? (Tosques and lot of Bulgarians smaller than Greeks and other surroundings pops)
 
The tallest people in the world are Herzegovinians [video]https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/04/12/move-over-dutch-men-herzegovinians-may-be-tallest-world-11122[/video]

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Bachus said:
The tallest people in the world are from town Čapljina in Herzegovina [video]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Čapljina[/video] they are 185,3cm on average.
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Aren't Montenegrins the tallest in Europe? If so how come other areas in Europe with Dinaric phenotypes are average height? In Italy and Spain where you can sometimes find Atlanto/Dinaric types they seem average height?
 
davef said:
Johane, Dibran

The funny thing is that Malaguraki's bull crap can be revealed with a simple google search....here he's blaming Albanians for destroying Serbian churches
https://mobile.twitter.com/malagurski/status/900089906550145029

But after searching by image, we get...

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...q/news-story/347cddeabb8d41bc22dc6c887e9dbacb

And after reading his tweets, he comes off as arrogant on top of his lack of respect towards Albanians or whomever else he despises.

I'm not Albanian, but I sympathize bc it must be rough to have someone label your family as the villains.
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It was the Ottomans roughly 47 Albanians were top Ottoman officials but Turkish barbarbism can be left for another thread, this is actually a interesting topic.
 
raspberry said:
You might won't believe it but: the unscientific races of the past centuries are not a real thing and outdated. That's why such things occur.
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I have literally no clue what you mean raspbelly we are talking about mountainous regions here think about it, sometimes atmosphere and climate change can affect sub races.

Dinarics in South West Europe, in Spain, North Central Italy Rome, Portugal etc tend to be shorter than South East European types.
 
Lenab said:
Aren't Montenegrins the tallest in Europe? If so how come other areas in Europe with Dinaric phenotypes are average height? In Italy and Spain where you can sometimes find Atlanto/Dinaric types they seem average height?
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Montenegrins from southern/southwestern Monrtenegro (Old Montenegro) [video]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Montenegro[/video], and from western Montenegro (Old Herzegovina) [video]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Herzegovina[/video] are very tall. They are similar as Herzegovinians.

But Montenegrins from central and eastern Montenegro are not so tall.
 
raspberry said:
Okay, let me tell you what I mean. Montenegrins are taller than the people of Italy and Spain because non of these 3 people belong to a race called "Dinarics", there is noting like a Dinaric (Population genetics replaced these "races" (Dinaric etc.)).
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I know it's not exclusive to them I talk of Balkan people with that phenotype even Albanians
 
Bachus said:
Montenegrins from southern/southwestern Monrtenegro (Old Montenegro) [video]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Montenegro[/video], and from western Montenegro (Old Herzegovina) [video]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Herzegovina[/video] are very tall. They are similar as Herzegovinians.

But Montenegrins from central and eastern Montenegro are not so tall.
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Hmm I see so what's the reason for this?
 
Lenab said:
Hmm I see so what's the reason for this?
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In western and southwestern Montenegro the most dominant haplogroup is I2a, in eastern Montenegro most dominant is E-V13, and in central Montenegro I2a and E-V13 are present in similar percentage.

In the regions with more haplogroup I people are taller, that is the case in the Balkans, I don't know for other parts of Europe.
 
Bachus said:
In western and southwestern Montenegro the most dominant haplogroup is I2a, in eastern Montenegro most dominant is E-V13, and in central Montenegro I2a and E-V13 are present in similar percentage.

In the regions with more haplogroup I people are taller, that is the case in the Balkans, I don't know for other parts of Europe.
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I see it must just be because of I2 then
 
Dinaric type is a statistical concept and race-no-race question cannot shoot it off so easily;
Coon proposed for 'dinaric' a crossing result what is not a "race" but a relatively stable result in a population which consists in recurrent features like - among others very high stature, and some peculiar aspects of face and skull, with planoccipital brachycephaly and other traits like moedrately dark complexion + ... - we are not obliged to agree with Coon; that said a crossing between 2 preceding statistical phenotypes (from 2 different pops) very numerous in the new pop can produce 1-: heterozygotic (and intermediary) but statistically dominant association of features with illusion of a true new type (even more if some dominant genes are at play)>< 2-: with isolation + time: homozygotic dominant "new" features associating elements picked in the 2 preceding phenotypes where these last ones gave different parts of body and head (process of beginning of raciation at the phenotypical level):
1 is unstable, volatile at the individual level spite the global states stay almost the same from generation to generation - 2 is less volatile at the individual level, and associated features can be transmitted in a more stable way among generations -
uneasy to make my thought here - but the regions where 'dinaric' elements were identified as dense (the denser supposedly in South Dinaric Alps (more SouthWest): Montenegro, Sth Herzegovina, Sth Bosnia, some Ghegs tribes): Yougoslavia as a whole (less the North), Grisons in Switzerland, Tyrol, parts of Carpathians, all are peopled by tall people; when the mean statures decrease in Europe is seems as a whole the frequence of other specific traits decrease along.

Iberia is not a stronghold of 'dinaric' types, but the variation in stature can be very strong locally: when the Spain mean was around 1m64, regions were from 1m62 to 1m69 (Valencia) whatever the specific elements in cause here: rather 'atlanto med' by a simplistic definition: at this time "dinaric lands" of Yougoslavia were around 1m71 with some peaks to 1m74:1m76 in Sth Dinaric Alps; Tyrol about 1m70 ; Romanian Carpathians 1m70;only the dominantly 'nordic' types pops showed something around 1m71/1m74 at those times; today we could add between 10 and 12 cm to these mean statures.
Whatever the conception we have of race-no-race, we can say the elements of the 'dinaric' type (or "construction") is based upon genetical basis, whatever it is (homog/heterog).
 
MOESAN said:
Dinaric type is a statistical concept and race-no-race question cannot shoot it off so easily;
Coon proposed for 'dinaric' a crossing result what is not a "race" but a relatively stable result in a population which consists in recurrent features like - among others very high stature, and some peculiar aspects of face and skull, with planoccipital brachycephaly and other traits like moedrately dark complexion + ... - we are not obliged to agree with Coon; that said a crossing between 2 preceding statistical phenotypes (from 2 different pops) very numerous in the new pop can produce 1-: heterozygotic (and intermediary) but statistically dominant association of features with illusion of a true new type (even more if some dominant genes are at play)>< 2-: with isolation + time: homozygotic dominant "new" features associating elements picked in the 2 preceding phenotypes where these last ones gave different parts of body and head (process of beginning of raciation at the phenotypical level):
1 is unstable, volatile at the individual level spite the global states stay almost the same from generation to generation - 2 is less volatile at the individual level, and associated features can be transmitted in a more stable way among generations -
uneasy to make my thought here - but the regions where 'dinaric' elements were identified as dense (the denser supposedly in South Dinaric Alps (more SouthWest): Montenegro, Sth Herzegovina, Sth Bosnia, some Ghegs tribes): Yougoslavia as a whole (less the North), Grisons in Switzerland, Tyrol, parts of Carpathians, all are peopled by tall people; when the mean statures decrease in Europe is seems as a whole the frequence of other specific traits decrease along.

Iberia is not a stronghold of 'dinaric' types, but the variation in stature can be very strong locally: when the Spain mean was around 1m64, regions were from 1m62 to 1m69 (Valencia) whatever the specific elements in cause here: rather 'atlanto med' by a simplistic definition: at this time "dinaric lands" of Yougoslavia were around 1m71 with some peaks to 1m74:1m76 in Sth Dinaric Alps; Tyrol about 1m70 ; Romanian Carpathians 1m70;only the dominantly 'nordic' types pops showed something around 1m71/1m74 at those times; today we could add between 10 and 12 cm to these mean statures.
Whatever the conception we have of race-no-race, we can say the elements of the 'dinaric' type (or "construction") is based upon genetical basis, whatever it is (homog/heterog).
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That exists in Iberia and Rome, true. But as I say I think it's to do with mountainous regions for the Balkans it would be quite monolithic there.
 
if I red well, Coon thought the first 'dinaric'like (the result of some genetical event? look above) people in Yougoslavia came from North, not East or Northeast; I have no clue to evaluate this - BB's from Central Europe? I think still in Carpathians as first source, without trying to link it too tightly to one culture - but more than an historical move, i think, explains the today (or rather yesterday distribution) of 'dinaric'like people - some ancient pops with Y-I2 + Y-R1 males could have been involved in the genetic event, i don't know, but the link is with the global autosomal aspect of these pops, not directly with the Y-haplo, I suppose.
 
MOESAN said:
if I red well, Coon thought the first 'dinaric'like (the result of some genetical event? look above) people in Yougoslavia came from North, not East or Northeast; I have no clue to evaluate this - BB's from Central Europe? I think still in Carpathians as first source, without trying to link it too tightly to one culture - but more than an historical move, i think, explains the today (or rather yesterday distribution) of 'dinaric'like people - some ancient pops with Y-I2 + Y-R1 males could have been involved in the genetic event, i don't know, but the link is with the global autosomal aspect of these pops, not directly with the Y-haplo, I suppose.
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The first I numbers were Paleolithic

Paleolithic subcludes of I2 in the Balkans marks the migration of Megalithic times
 
MOESAN said:
if I red well, Coon thought the first 'dinaric'like (the result of some genetical event? look above) people in Yougoslavia came from North, not East or Northeast; I have no clue to evaluate this - BB's from Central Europe? I think still in Carpathians as first source, without trying to link it too tightly to one culture - but more than an historical move, i think, explains the today (or rather yesterday distribution) of 'dinaric'like people - some ancient pops with Y-I2 + Y-R1 males could have been involved in the genetic event, i don't know, but the link is with the global autosomal aspect of these pops, not directly with the Y-haplo, I suppose.
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That’s not an easy question because of:

C. S. Coon described the Ghegs as being of the "Dinaric type".
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghegs

Ghegs [Albanians] mostly have E-V13, R1b and J2 haplogroups. Croats from Herzegovina have I2a and R1a. That is totally opposite. They are also different autosomally. There must be something else that caused the development of a “Dinaric” type. Maybe a milk consumption has something to do with it.
 
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