Religion why are not u a muslim?

[bossel]

(1) ...& then you know it very well that Racism is Based on Darwinism .

As a medical student you obviously don't learn much about (evolutionary) psychology!? Racism is usually based on fear of the "unknown" (combined with other social & psychological factors). Social Darwinism et al. are only efforts to rationalize these feelings or to exploit them for political aims.

The book also attempts to tear down the mask of fascism, and reveal that fascism is definitely an anti-religionist system..

Good to know. Strange though, that there were rather a lot religious people in fascist systems. Stranger even, there were people who prayed to Hitler for their daily bread. Sounds pretty religious.

& Now Put some Sanity into Your Brainwashed Minds .

Look who's talking! At least my brainwash told me to think for myself, not to follow some ancient book.

(2)& then Let Bossel Decide what would he do when that Officer tries to kill someone Closer to Bossel ........ You would Kill him Definitely ..you would never let a maniac kill your own Relative.

IMO, killing is only allowed in the actual act of self defence, not pre-emptive & not as a punishment.

(3) ...Fathers of Modern Science BeLieve in God aswell .... don't you know ...???

Geez, really?! Guess what, even Darwin publicly stated that he believed. So what?

(4) ...Do you know the Mechanism of Protein Synthesis .....???
..I doubt you have no idea ... & mind you .. you are talking to a Medical Student .... i would be very Glad to know what do you think how The First Building Block of Life came into Being ... ?? After you tell then i would tell you some Basics of Biochemistry ...

I don't remember the details of protein synthesis, it's quite some time since I had my advance course in biology.
Nobody knows how the 1st building block of life came into being. There is a multitude of theories, but there is still no definite (proven) answer (maybe there will never be, unless we can develop a time machine). If you would have read anything about evolution theory you should know.

(5) ...Read the Complete Text ... & Check the Reference ..& try to comprehend in which context he was concluding the fact that How less is the Probability of Life coming into being all by itself .

The complete text? No, thanks, I'm too busy this semester. Have enough to do reading the necessary stuff.

(6) .... Watch the Difference between the Plight of people before Muslims & after that .... uptil the time crusades begin.

There is no doubt that in times the Muslim society was rather tolerant, but that's not the whole (hi-)story. Just the same I could point towards 50 years of peace in some Christian part of the world & tell you how peaceful Christians are. In regards to peacefulness, Buddhism has probably much better cards than Christianity or Islam. I think, Buddhists have shed much less blood over time.

(7) ...noone is trying to eradicate you ...Just come out of your Paranoid ...

Err..., wasn't it you who wrote "They were astrayed & therefore Eradicated"? Since I am "astrayed" as well, your god probably wants me eradicated, too.


"Your Origin .....??" Sex between my mother & father.
"WhaT are you doing here ...??" Just getting along.
"What is the purpose of your Life ?? ( is it eating , sleeping & having sex ...??)" There is no purpose other than what oneself chooses.
"Why you try to solve mystries ...??" It's fun.
"what is Death ...??" The End.
"What happens after Death ..??" A feast for worms.
"What is Life all about ..??" Life is all about ... life.

(8) .... are you trying to say that Allah would be made up of Proteins ...??You are dumb ..& Now i'm not sorry at all ...

What, how do you know that your god is not made of proteins?
Anyway, I never said he was made of proteins. But he must be quite a complex being, how did he pop into existence?

Allah is a Potential ....

A potential? Now you're saying he doesn't exist at all?

it is HE who has Created this Harmony so that we can Ponder Over the Facts about the Universe.
He is in the TimeLessness .....& he Knows Everything (All-Knowing)

So, it would be Dumb to take him as an Entity just Like us .

No, a much bigger & more complex being. Then you want to tell me he just popped into existence, while a much simpler protein could not?

Which harmony are you talking about? Are you sure, you're living in the same world as I do?

I was Just Answering ..I never tried to offend but you did ...

Err..., telling me that I'm dumb is not trying to insult me? Interesting point. If that is not, in which way did I insult you?

Attention Ladies & Gentleman ....!!!

I woulld Like all of you to see the Reference the Guy has Mentioned .....& Match it with the Words i have said Earlier ...
[...]
Now you got to know that my religion doesn't allow me To Lie & i try not to .......... THis is this Guy who tried to mislead you & he must be checked for it as he can do it again.

Could you actually point out where I was misleading? Fact is, Orgel does not propose that evolution theory is wrong. He just says that 2 structurally complex organic materials are improbable to "arose spontaneously in the same place at the same time." Big news! That's what I said above, there most probably were less complex ancestors.
Writing in a bigger size & with colours does not make your argument better.

 

[No-name]

You guys lost me again. I think part of the problem is that the crux of the argument focuses on semantics which are too difficult when everyone's english is not perfect. The broad argument kinda peters out.

Creationism be it fundamentalist Christian Or Muslim, is not "scientific" in that the entire scientific method was not used in its development. We on the dogmatic side of the argument, began with the theory and worked it backward. Great if you believe in God (or Allah), the Bible (or Koran), and all the tenants of the particular faith. Not so great if you are looking for empirical proof. I don't think if you assembled all the current best evidence and applied sound reasoning you would find God.

I do believe God is there though and if you look for Him, you will find Him. But not in our lame arguments, not in science, and not in my experiences.

 

[InnerVision]

...I do believe God is there though and if you look for Him, you will find Him.
..But not in our lame arguments, not in science, and not in my experiences.

well Sabro ..sometimes you sound like an atheist & sometimes not ... If you Believe then you must have a firm Belief on it otherwise this Dual State of mind will take you to nowhere ...

I do believe God is there though and if you look for Him, you will find Him...

This is the Point i'm Talking to ....You 've to look for him .... ...but you have to apply that Very Intelect you are Bestowed with .

Scienece is not incompatible with the Religion you must Know it & Allah is Known Through Reason.

Just to support my statement i would like you to read these articles .It will help definitely.

A Chain Of Miracles

The Myth Called Matter

Design In Nature

Design In the Universe

These are you to think .

As for Bossel ......Your answers revealed that .. YOUR existence is as Hollow as a Bat In a Dark Cave...... So, i'm not going to argue with You. For those who neeed answers can check my Previos Replies they will find out all by themselves.

As for Orgel .... He was an Evolutionist ..so he could never say that Evolution is Ridiculous but even being an Evolutionist he uses the words Extremly Improbable for this Phenomenon to occur.

& Btw it would be better for the Humanity around you to Read Protein Synthesis again & see how Sensitive that Machinery is ;which can never operate outside a well developed Cell.

Deep Thinking is the Key. ...Take care.

 

[RockLee]

Oh, HarunYahya says so, so it must be right ??? Someone who believes in a god wrote this stuff down, it's what he thinks about it.Your sources ain't worth jack, if you want to reply to something use your own proof or words, not copy paste from some site kashii:


I think you should quit posting, cause you didn't make more sense than Muslema over all your posts, just quoted some crap off a site, wich is made by someone who believes the exact things like you.These things are guessings, theories...and therefor don't mean anything.And please stop insulting ppl, cause that will get you banned, read the forum rules kashii:

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[bossel]

You guys lost me again. I think part of the problem is that the crux of the argument focuses on semantics which are too difficult when everyone's english is not perfect. The broad argument kinda peters out.

Semantics is part of the problem. Creationists very often turn the original meaning into the opposite. That's why you partly have to argue along that line. Many creationists take things out of context, imply a non-existent content/meaning (see my reply to Innervision below), just to support their argument (or to show how "great scientists" or "evolutionists" actually support creationism). Phhh...

I do believe God is there though and if you look for Him, you will find Him. But not in our lame arguments, not in science, and not in my experiences.

Luckily most of us here live in countries where we are actually free to choose what to believe in or not to believe at all.

As for Bossel ......Your answers revealed that .. YOUR existence is as Hollow as a Bat In a Dark Cave......

A bat is not much hollower than a human being, just a bit to make it fly.

So, i'm not going to argue with You. For those who neeed answers can check my Previos Replies they will find out all by themselves.

Very well, if you don't want to argue, but why then repeat this lie?

As for Orgel .... He was an Evolutionist ..so he could never say that Evolution is Ridiculous but even being an Evolutionist he uses the words Extremly Improbable for this Phenomenon to occur.

When he said "extremely improbable", he did not talk about evolution as such, but only about "proteins and nucleic acids" arising "spontaneously in the same place at the same time."
Repeating a lie does not make it any truer!


BTW, I answered your questions, how about you answer some of mine!?
How do you know that your god is not made of proteins?
What makes you so sure that some proteins cannot suddenly start to exist but your (supposedly much more complex) god can?

& please, just as Rock said, use your own words!

 

[Damir]

That's a simple question. I'll give you a simple answer.

I'm not a muslim and I can tell you why. A good friend of mine has been beaten up by muslims (Yes, more then one), for just being a jew. Offcourse the situation in Isra?l can piss people off, but what does a 18 year old in Europe got to do with it?

In lot's of warsituations, muslims are involved. I can name a few: Indonesia, Sudan, (Until Recent) Serbia/Kroatia/Bosnia, Iraq and Isra?l. It gives me the idea that the Islam isn't as peacefull as it tries to keep up for us. Offcourse, it would be wrong to say all muslims are like that, but it's hard for me to keep that impression away.

So I can't give you a clear view on the Islam relegion. It has it's good points and it drawbacks. I merely see it's drawbacks. And that's my humble view...

If you do not know what happend in Bosnia then i suggest you should stop talking, because i am Bosnian Citizen and because of Serbians most of the Bosnians and Croats of Muslim and Catholic belives were killed or forced to leave the country. By the way, I would like you to meet some bosnian people and to talk to them what happend their..

 

[Duo]

I agree with Damir on this one. Please get your facts straight before posting something. Foreign fundamentalist muslim fighters came and fought in Bosnia after Serbs were pillaging and running down entire cities. If you were a Bosnian in those conditions, with the West watching, you would accept any help you could get. And also, let's not confuse balkan muslims with the rest because there is a distinct difference.

 

[No-name]

Thank you Bossel. For a Hollow bat in a dark cave, you have good insight.

I know no one on the planet that was persuaded to become a Muslim or a Christian based upon some creationist argument. To me creation and evolution are two different topics. If you believe in an all mighty, omnicient, omnipotent, creative being, then of course, creation is a snap. If you don't, it's just an irrelevant fairy tale.

The only parallel I can think of is I know where I came from: God created me. I also know that I am the completely natural biological product of my parents. I don't find a conflict.

From both Jewish and Muslim texts, the creation story is told to Moses by God. Moses either tells it to someone who writes it down or writes it down himself. I'm not certain that it was ever intended to be "scientific" the way we think of the concept. I'm not sure Moses would have understood DNA, natural selection or the genesis of protein molecules. If you believe in God, the question is why did he give this story to Mo? What does it really mean?

Innervision: If evolution is how we got here, and it is improbable, than life should be as precious to evolutionists as it is to creationists. Life is precious- both sides of this argument can agree that it is extremely rare and should be cherished.

 

[InnerVision]

When he said "extremely improbable", he did not talk about evolution as such, but only about "proteins and nucleic acids" arising "spontaneously in the same place at the same time."
Repeating a lie does not make it any truer!

Well Mr.Bossel When its'Extremely Improbable' for Proteins & Nucleic Acids to arise "spontaneously in the same place at the same time." ..... it Means its 'Extremely Improbable' for "The Life" to originate all by itself ...... which in turn Means its Extremely Improbable for "Evolution" to Occur as Origin of life all by itself & then its Gradual Development into Complex Form is the Basic Requirement for Evolution ...... You're Unable to realize this Fact because of your total Ignorance with the Scientific Phenomenon.

nOw as i should abide by the Laws of this Forum so i'm not using the adjective 'dumb' for you but it doesn't change the Fact.

BTW, I answered your questions,[/qoute]


Bossel answers to some Basic Life Questions:

"Your Origin .....??" Sex between my mother & father.
"WhaT are you doing here ...??" Just getting along.
"What is the purpose of your Life ?? ( is it eating , sleeping & having sex ...??)" There is no purpose other than what oneself chooses.
"Why you try to solve mystries ...??" It's fun.
"what is Death ...??" The End.
"What happens after Death ..??" A feast for worms.
"What is Life all about ..??" Life is all about ... life.

Well if we assume that we can translate an 'Ape's Language & then we ask the same questions to that Ape. The Ape will come up with the same answers .... ain't it .......??? But no wonder that 'Ape' is The Forefather of all the Darwinists.
& he has (Like all other Darwinists) the Same mentality __ The Jungle Attitude__ the Jungle Law ...... i.e. All Darwinists think that Death is the End so Gain everything you can, by any Means Possible, as the Rule is 'Survival of the Fittest' .Their Life Begins after a Sex act & ends with the Feast of worms .......... Impressive.

how about you answer some of mine!?
How do you know that your god is not made of proteins?
What makes you so sure that some proteins cannot suddenly start to exist but your (supposedly much more complex) god can?

This is really an Important Question & throughout my Replies i'm trying to Convey this Message that Allah is known through Reason , but First you have to apply all your knowledge . Right Now we __the Humans are at a stage that our deep insight into different Life Phenomena Leads us to the Same Conclusion that is There is Someone Who is Controlling all the Basic Mechanism of all Phenomenon, as this Particular Phenomenon wouldn't be Possible Without someone who must be All_Knowing & All_Wise & This are the Properties of Allah alone .


This Scientific inabilty to unveil the hidden Truths is the Strongest arguement while talking about Logic__the Science.

As about the Creation of Universe Astrophysicist Alan Sandage, winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy, explains as follows:

I find it quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the explanation for the miracle of existence? ( J.N. Willford, ?Sizing up the Cosmos: An Astronomers Quest,? New York Times, March 12, 1991, p. B9, emphasis added.)

British astrophysicist Professor Paul Davies:

"the laws [of physics] ... seem themselves to be the product of exceedingly ingenious design?. The universe must have a purpose." ( Paul Davies, Superforce: The Search for a Grand Unified Theory of Nature, New York Simon & Schuster, 1984, p. 243.)

& there are countless Clues to Find Him __Allah but One has to Look For Him because this is the Purpose.

There are Miracles Scattered everywhere like ....

>>MIRACLES IN THE CREATION OF THE UNIVERSE
>>THE INCREDIBLE ORDER THAT CAME WITH THE EXPLOSION
>>A MIRACLE IN THE UNIVERSE?S EXPANSION RATE
>>DISTANCES BETWEEN COSMIC OBJECTS
>>THE MIRACULOUS FORMATION OF CARBON
>>THE BALANCE OF GRAVITATIONAL FORCES
>>THE MAGNIFICENT HARMONY BETWEEN PROTONS AND ELECTRONS

>>THE SOLAR SYSTEM AND THE MIRACULOUS
ORDER IN THE CREATION OF THE EARTH
>>THE LOCATION OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM IN THE GALAXY
>>THE PRECISE ORDER IN OUR SOLAR SYSTEM
>>THE SIZE OF THE EARTH AND
THE IDEAL PROPORTIONS IN ITS INTERIOR
>>THE EARTH? S TEMPERATURE IS WITHIN A NARROW
BUT SPECIAL SPECTRUM
>>IDEAL RATIOS IN THE ATMOSPHERE
>>THE DENSITY OF AIR
>>THE MIRACLE OF VISIBLE LIGHT
>>THE EXTRAORDINARY RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN SUN LIGHT
AND PHOTOSYNTHESIS
>>THE EXTRAORDINARY HARMONY BETWEEN SUNLIGHT AND THE EYE
>>THE EXTRAORDINARY SELECTIVENESS OF THE ATMOSPHERE
>>THE FINE-TUNING IN THE PHYSICAL PROPERTIES OF WATER
>>THE SURFACE TENSION OF WATER
HAS BEEN SPECIFICALLY ADJUSTED TO SUPPORT LIFE
>>THE CHEMICAL MIRACLE IN WATER
WATER?S VISCOSITY IS SET AT A CALCULATED RATE
>>THE FORMATION OF ATOMIC BONDS NECESSARY
FOR LIFE REQUIRES THE TEMPERATURES WE HAVE ON EARTH
>>THE SOLUBILITY OF OXYGEN IS IDEAL FOR LIFE

>>THE MIRACLES IN THE CREATION OF LIVING BEINGS
>>IT?S IMPOSSIBLE FOR LIFE?S BUILDING BLOCKS TO
FORM BY THEMSELVES
>>ALL PROTEINS IN LIVING BEINGS ARE LEFT-HANDED;
A FACT THAT CANNOT BE EXPLAINED BY CHANCE
>>LIFE ON EARTH EMERGED SUDDENLY, MIRACULOUSLY
>>DNA?S MIRACULOUS DESIGN
>>UNDER NATURAL CONDITIONS, DNA CANNOT POSSIBLY
FORM BY CHANCE
>>THE SECRET BEHIND THE DIVERSIFICATION OF CELLS
>>INTELLIGENCE IN BACTERIA

these examples of miracles from the world of living beings are only a few links of an infinite chain of miracles. Whichever creations of God we regard, we are always examining a great miracle. But what?s really important is that we notice and comprehend these miracles, because regardless of how clear and great a miracle is, only believers will see God?s existence and infinite greatness therein.

If Allah has to show HimSelf Personally then there were Indeed no need to Form this Whole Universe .Look deep into the above mentioned Miracles & many others & reach Him all by yourself using your own Intelect & will.

Unbelievers will never acknowledge even a clear-cut miracle and will deny it because of their prejudices, pride, and worldly ambitions. Also, they make irrational and nonsensical comments, trying to bury miracles or portray them as common and normal, or even irrelevant. In reality, even just one of the miracles related in this book is enough to persuade any conscientious person of normal intelligence. But since deniers are devoid of logic and awareness, they cannot comprehend God?s miracles all around them. These verses of the Qur?an describe the deniers? attitude towards miracles:

If they see a Sign they turn away, saying ?There is no end to this witchcraft!? They have denied the truth and followed their whims and desires, but everything has its time. (Qur?an, 54:2-3)

As these verses show, deniers? disinterest of towards miracles is caused by their egotism and desire to satisfy selfish ambitions. Acknowledging miracles would mean that they would also have to accept the existence of God and Judgment Day, which in turn would mean they must accept that they must submit to His will, and will account to Him for their actions.
This is unacceptable to unbelievers, however, which is why they do not believe. But whether or not they choose to believe the truth, everything bides its time and meets its fate. Their denying miracles will not alter the truth, nor what they will receive in the Hereafter for what they have done.
In reality, for unbelievers of all eras, it is God?s eternally valid law that they cannot see the undisputable miracles in His creation. The verses say:

They have sworn by God with their most earnest oaths that if a Sign comes to them they will believe in it. Say: ?The Signs are in God?s control alone.? What will make you realize that even if a Sign did come, they would still not believe? We will overturn their hearts and sight, just as when they did not believe in it at first, and We will abandon them to wander blindly in their excessive insolence. Even if We sent down angels to them, and the dead spoke to them, and We gathered together everything in front of them right before their eyes, they would still not believe unless God willed. The truth is that most of them are ignorant. (Qur?an, 6:109-111)

& similarly Bossel you might be unable to realize this until & unless you come to realize thaat Extreme Harmony in the Universe & in your Own Body & its homeostasis.Dear ..! Just Come out of your self -implicated Blindness.

if you want to reply to something use your own proof or words

If someone has Gathered all the Information in a Specific Field then why not i should make use of it ...?? i will make use of his words whereever these match or are compatible with my thinking pattern .Whats the Problem Dear ..??

And please stop insulting ppl,

Dear ...!!!i'm trying my utmost efforts to make you realize that you are not The 'Son of an Ape' but you are Insisting on Being Called as sn the Other Hand i'm saying that you & all of your Forefathers were born Superior over any other Creture in this Universe .You are born intellectual but you are unable to see this. can this be regarded as Insult ......??? If so, then i'm Sorry for that. ................ This was my Last Reply to this Topic & i've told you everything & you just have to think over it . Take Care.

 

[kirei_na_me]

You know what it boils down to? Everyone thinks their religion is the right one. How can all of them be right? Who's to say which one is right? With so many different ones out there, how can they all be right?! Do you not understand that?

This book says one thing and this book says another. How do you know which one, if either, is right?

This is so ridiculous. This thread is good evidence that religion is only good for causing conflicts/controversy.

 

[RockLee]

You know what it boils down to? Everyone thinks their religion is the right one. How can all of them be right? Who's to say which one is right? With so many different ones out there, how can they all be right?! Do you not understand that?

This book says one thing and this book says another. How do you know which one, if either, is right?

This is so ridiculous. This thread is good evidence that religion is only good for causing conflicts/controversy.

That's what I told before...and I thihnk this thread should be locked, cause in the end it's just the same problem again. kashii:

 

[Elizabeth]

This is so ridiculous. This thread is good evidence that religion is only good for causing conflicts/controversy.

Why is it not evidence instead for a handful of bored, amateurish and superficial people on a particular thread in a particular forum....since active involvement in any religion actually has been shown to have pronounced psychological benefits (deeply commited members tend to live longer, experience less depression, have better support networks) in addition to the incredible range of mission efforts helping millions of people around the world build better lives. I challenge anyone to come up with a purely secular organization that has had such an impact. :relief:

 

[No-name]

If everyone would just agree that I am right, then there would be no conflict and no confusion.

 

[bossel]

If you believe in God, the question is why did he give this story to Mo? What does it really mean?

That depends, I suppose. AFAIK, according to some denominations, as long as it is in the Book, it must be true. You cannot question anything that's in the Book (even though it may be contradictory once in a while). Then again, some of these denominations split from another denomination just because someone actually questioned a previous interpretation of the Book.

BTW, I fully agree with you! (that is: with your last sentence "If everyone would just agree that I am right, then there would be no conflict and no confusion.")

it Means its 'Extremely Improbable' for "The Life" to originate all by itself ...

Obviously we either have a completely different understanding of logic or of the English language (or both).

You're Unable to realize this Fact because of your total Ignorance with the Scientific Phenomenon.

& that from someone who tells this ape crap?

But no wonder that 'Ape' is The Forefather of all the Darwinists. [...]realize that you are not The 'Son of an Ape' but you are Insisting on Being Called as so

Apes are not human ancestors. Pongids & hominids have a common ancestor maybe 5 to 8 million years ago.

All Darwinists think that Death is the End so Gain everything you can, by any Means Possible, as the Rule is 'Survival of the Fittest'

Then I can't be a Darwinist. My attitude is "live & let live", you could consider me an eco-Libertarian.

This Scientific inabilty to unveil the hidden Truths is the Strongest arguement while talking about Logic__the Science.

Science is still progressing. If you of course expect the absolute & final truth, you won't find it in human science for a long time.

>>INTELLIGENCE IN BACTERIA

Ooops! Must have missed that. Which IQ do they have?

If they see a Sign they turn away, saying ?There is no end to this witchcraft!? [...] Acknowledging miracles would mean that they would also have to accept the existence of God and Judgment Day

I never said anything about witchcraft when I encountered something I could not immediately explain.
But I could very well imagine a spiritual person explaining something you'd call a miracle with something other than a god (eg. witchcraft).

& similarly Bossel you might be unable to realize this until & unless you come to realize thaat Extreme Harmony in the Universe & in your Own Body & its homeostasis

Extreme harmony? In the universe with its colliding galaxies & all-devouring black holes? In my body with its various malfunctions? Long way to go for me!

This was my Last Reply to this Topic & i've told you everything & you just have to think over it

That's probably the best, since reasoning became a bit circular.

..since active involvement in any religion actually has been shown to have pronounced psychological benefits (deeply commited members tend to live longer, experience less depression, have better support networks)

Important: "in any religion"
The rest is not entirely true, though. There is research which brought such results, but cause & effect is not quite clear. What's more, most of this research centered on the US & implications on the rest of the world are not quite clear, too.

"George A. Kaplan, a social epidemiologist at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, expresses skepticism about the new report. "There are only a handful of good studies on religion and physical health," so mixing them with many inferior studies "doesn't tell us much more than we know already," he says.
"There is absolutely no basis for recommending religiosity as a preventive strategy [in health care]," Kaplan says."

Edit: BTW, the allegation that religiously active people experience less depression doesn't seem too exact either. From the same article linked above: "Religious participants also exhibited less depression associated with job loss and other stresses that were out of their direct control but showed more depression linked with marital and other relationship problems."

in addition to the incredible range of mission efforts helping millions of people around the world build better lives. I challenge anyone to come up with a purely secular organization that has had such an impact. :relief:

Isn't the UNO pretty secular?
Not to mention that there are enough missionaries who actually make things worse. Good intentions don't necessarily bring good effects (same goes for the UNO, BTW).

 

[InnerVision]

This one deffinitely needs an answer.

The only parallel I can think of is I know where I came from: God created me. I also know that I am the completely natural biological product of my parents. I don't find a conflict.

Similar were the arguements of my muslim Colleague ,who happens to favour Evolution & tries to rationalize it with Islamic Teachings .He is doing it only because of his Ignorance & so are you. Think.

I've answered him . You can check it here .... ( as he has the same thinking pattern as your therefore it might be of some help to you)

Deception of Evolution & arguements of a Muslim Evolutionist

Actually , the spell created by this Theory is so much that even The Believers have to think in these lines of finding a Common Ground where both Parties can agree .Well one must remember that Evolution is , in no way, Compatible with the Faith of Believers. Reason Being :

it is incompatible with the Faith .....(check the Link above)

It is incompatible with Science .......(as it has to prove the Origin of First Cell before a rational human can talk about its validity)

it is incompatible with the Ethics .....(There must be a Difference between a Human & an animal ___ but ___the byproducts of Darwinism compell a Person to Lead an animal life )

Some of you might be unable to find the Relation of this Discussion with the actual Purpose of this Thread . Well , in my personal experience , i find it out that non-muslims are non-muslims Just because of their ignorance to the actual purpose of Religion in general & Islam particualrly , which revolves around the All_Mighty __Allah.So, one must know everything regarding Allah ( which is only possible by comprehending the Message of Qu'ran & sunnah) before he/she talks about 'why not are u muslim .....??' as without knowing Allah this question & any answer to it would be out of line.

 

[RockLee]

Some of you might be unable to find the Relation of this Discussion with the actual Purpose of this Thread . Well , in my personal experience , i find it out that non-muslims are non-muslims Just because of their ignorance to the actual purpose of Religion in general & Islam particualrly , which revolves around the All_Mighty __Allah.So, one must know everything regarding Allah ( which is only possible by comprehending the Message of Qu'ran & sunnah) before he/she talks about 'why not are u muslim .....??' as without knowing Allah this question & any answer to it would be out of line.

I'm so sick of you, thinking you're better than everyone...I'm gonna ask to get you a perm. ban, cause you're so full of sh*t, and still insult ppl !!! bah.. !! kashii:

 

[InnerVision]

I'm so sick of you, thinking you're better than everyone...I'm gonna ask to get you a perm. ban, cause you're so full of sh*t, and still insult ppl !!! bah.. !! kashii:

 

[Glenn]

Some of you might be unable to find the Relation of this Discussion with the actual Purpose of this Thread . Well , in my personal experience , i find it out that non-muslims are non-muslims Just because of their ignorance to the actual purpose of Religion in general & Islam particualrly , which revolves around the All_Mighty __Allah.So, one must know everything regarding Allah ( which is only possible by comprehending the Message of Qu'ran & sunnah) before he/she talks about 'why not are u muslim .....??' as without knowing Allah this question & any answer to it would be out of line.

So you're saying that you know everything about Allah? That seems a bit conceited, pompous, arrogant, ridiculous, and impossible. I would go so far as to say that no one knows everything about anything, much less some mystical being that no one has ever seen.

 

[InnerVision]

Rocklee ...You are totally amusing ....!!! Falling in love with you ....Lol.

So you're saying that you know everything about Allah? That seems a bit conceited, pompous, arrogant, ridiculous, and impossible. I would go so far as to say that no one knows everything about anything, much less some mystical being that no one has ever seen.

Absolutely Correct ..!!!

But Dear i never said i know everything about Allah which indeed is Impossible .We know Allah Because of the Signs He Has created which are Seen everywhere (& which are impossible if He is not there ..the Best sign being the Human Being & THE oNE fAVouring it __the Universe ..) What i meant (should have typed it in the first Place though ..)to say was one must try to know him (this is the basis of the test we are all going through ...i'm no exception at all ...).... ..what we need is a Sincere thinking towards these signs & then Praise His Greatness ....thats it...... this is what i wanted ..as One should not neglect these Open Signs ....ain't it ...??

 

[RockLee]

Oh please don't, cause I would never like someone who thinks he's better than some non-believer! But I guess you knew that by now