Why Vikings did not bring any N1c in Great Britain?

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I am very curios why Vikings who raided and settled in Great Britain did not brought any N1C there.
Also If I am looking at Iceland,N1C is very few there.
Took a look now at the page:
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml
And there is very few N in Denmark - 1% and few in Norway - 2.5% while Sweden got 7%.
So as a possibility,maybe Vikings raiding in Britain were mostly Norwegian and Danes Vikings.
And Swedish Vikings did not raided in Great Britain.
I have seen some genetic testing of Swedes and the percentage of N1C is raising,as you move towards North Sweden.
I think is same in Norway,but those people did not went raiding in Great Britain,I guess only those from South Norway and from near shores raided in Great Britain or even settled there.
 
Because most of the Scandinavian N1c came from Saami people integrated to Scandinavian society in the last five centuries or so. In the Viking Age, Germanics and Saami lived in completely separate communities.
 
Maciamo said:
Because most of the Scandinavian N1c came from Saami people integrated to Scandinavian society in the last five centuries or so. In the Viking Age, Germanics and Saami lived in completely separate communities.
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You have proof for that? Like anything that links the haplos coming from Saami?

I can recommend not to use much time trying to get evidence, you wont find it.
 
Maciamo said:
Because most of the Scandinavian N1c came from Saami people integrated to Scandinavian society in the last five centuries or so. In the Viking Age, Germanics and Saami lived in completely separate communities.
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Rurik was not Saami person integrated in Scandinavian society in last 5 centuries. Do you see Kvens as only legend?
 
arvistro said:
Rurik was not Saami person integrated in Scandinavian society in last 5 centuries. Do you see Kvens as only legend?
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You can find L550 and L1025 in Finland, also note L1022 spread from England to Russia.
 
germanic tribes were farmers, saami and fenni were hunters
700 BC climate started to deterioriate, germanic tribes started shifting south
saami and fenni came to the places in the north were germanic tribes left

vikings descend from the germanic tribes, they were farmers who's lands got overpopulated, hence war and raiding

saami and fennic hunters never mixed with germanic/viking farmers
saami and fennic kept their own Uralic languages, they did not adopt German language
 
bicicleur said:
germanic tribes were farmers, saami and fenni were hunters
700 BC climate started to deterioriate, germanic tribes started shifting south
saami and fenni came to the places in the north were germanic tribes left

vikings descend from the germanic tribes, they were farmers who's lands got overpopulated, hence war and raiding

saami and fennic hunters never mixed with germanic/viking farmers
saami and fennic kept their own Uralic languages, they did not adopt German language
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Germanics where living in Finland before the arrival of the Baltic Finns from Estonia.
Baltic Finns where not hunters when they came from the Volga, they where pastoralists, farmers and traders and they came to Estonia and from there to Finland.
 
bicicleur said:
germanic tribes were farmers, saami and fenni were hunters
700 BC climate started to deterioriate, germanic tribes started shifting south
saami and fenni came to the places in the north were germanic tribes left

vikings descend from the germanic tribes, they were farmers who's lands got overpopulated, hence war and raiding

saami and fennic hunters never mixed with germanic/viking farmers
saami and fennic kept their own Uralic languages, they did not adopt German language
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There actually was a fair bit of mixing in Norway after the Bubonic Plague wiped out most of the Norwegians living in the northern part of the country without having much affect on the Saami, who had lived quite separate lives until then. The Norwegian government encouraged the Sea Saami to settle on abandoned farms and adopt the Norwegian language and Norwegian culture. This process continued until the early 1700s. If you do a search for "Saami" and "Bubonic Plague", you can find lots of information about it.
 
Ukko said:
You can find L550 and L1025 in Finland, also note L1022 spread from England to Russia.
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That was question to Maciamo. About Kvens. I personally think their lines went into vikings, and were main lines among early varyagians.
 
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This is how Estonians, Finns, Livonians etc came to the Baltic, first in Estonia and from there they spread, Germanics and others had a language shift, like in West Finland.
 
arvistro said:
That was question to Maciamo. About Kvens. I personally think their lines went into vikings, and were main lines among early varyagians.
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So they have to speak Norse to do Viking shit, like playing pirate in boats?
 
arvistro said:
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They nevertheless did speak Norse if not native then at least as sort of lingua Franca.
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Yes they did, it was the lingua franca, but they where Baltic Finns, we are here today as an living proof.
 
Ukko said:
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This is how Estonians, Finns, Livonians etc came to the Baltic, first in Estonia and from there they spread, Germanics and others had a language shift, like in West Finland.
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why did they move?
 
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Ulfberht swords.

Finland is full of Viking swords, in areas that never spoke a form of Norse as native language!
They are still digging the stuff up, this year alone many swords.
 
bicicleur said:
why did they move?
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Either something came from the steppe and they fled or they just attacked to get hold of this strategic trade route.
The move to the Baltic happened in the bronze age, the expansion to Finland happened during the iron age, Finland was rich in furs and also controlled routes to White Sea and more riches.
 
Btw - did vikings bring their steretypical (non-N1C) set of haplos to Russia/Baltics?

Another interesting piece on wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnveden
quote:
Based on some medieval sources, Rurik was born on the Roslagen seashore, north of Stockholm in the modern-day Sweden. At the time of Rurik's birth,[6] the rule of the Norse, Sveas, Geats, Gutes and Danes covered only the southernmost parts of Scandinavia.
Thus, Rurik's DNA would be explained by the view of the historians who claim that the rest of Scandinavia – including Haalogaland with Nor's Kvens and their descendants – was inhabited only by the Kvens and the Sami.


Another thing. Reading on first Sweddish viking centers something happened to them. This is from wiki about Birka city:
"Birka was abandoned during the later half of the 10th century. Based on the coin finds, the city seems to have silenced around 960." and later in text "The Varangian trade stations in Russia suffered a serious decline at roughly the same date.".

Birka was replaced by Sigtuna as new center..
 
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