Politics "WOKE" America

Yeah. I am not a big fan of cosmetic surgery but each to his own. We are not born equally desirable. Better to mature your mentality to deal with that (which is actually a perk that will help you in life) than to pay for unnecessary and even dangerous surgery.
 
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Well, it looks like the GOP primary voters are actually going to re-elect the Donald Trump show. That's a pity it isn't going to be DeSantis, because the USA would have finally had a real right-wing government that would defend the interests of Americans, and end woke policy.

What's Trump going to do? Bring in flatterers that are going to stab him in the back again? Bring in more charlatans that will do the opposite of his campaign agenda? Get himself banned from more social media, have his supporters abused by big tech, and the left, while doing nothing about it? Have the entire country burn down in flames, and rioting and DO NOTHING to stop them? Because for all his bravado, I've seen very little action 2017-2020.

Maybe it is time for people to abandon hope for this country, and allow it to Balkanize.
 
Immediately I disagree with the article because being left-wing and woke are not necessarily the same thing. You could believe in socialism and also not have to adopt every social trend that comes down the pike from Amazon.com. You could believe in worker's rights, and not have to believe cutting off your penis and testicles make you a woman.
 
China is far more anti-woke (for their own people) than modern day average Trump Republicans, especially Trump himself. However China uses bots to promote woke talking points in to hurt their rivals. So to me, it's more than enough proof to show that they're using woke ideology to cause dysfunction in the US.

Then there are large corporations that use it as lip-service to pat minorities on the head while fleecing white liberals.
 
In that sense I agree with Susan Neiman:
https://history.princeton.edu/news-events/events/book-talk-left-not-woke-susan-neiman-sean-wilentz

https://www.persuasion.community/p/how-to-be-left-without-being-woke


In other words Balkanize is imo something of woke and anti-woke, it's a receipt for deep misery (my view).

I think the woke countries in that hypothetical situation would fail. Imagine if California became it's own country and got its reparations proposal. You think they can afford $5 million for each black resident?

All the rich and hard working people will move to anti-woke countries. Maybe some will go to the woke ones, but they would be quickly diminished and die away from low fertility.
 
Not only would they end up in front of a firing squad but so would all of their billionaire and corporate sponsors, as well as think tanks like CSIS would meet this fate in a actual hard-left country. Because they're pinkos (not fully red) as well as controlled opposition that corner the left into maximizing their profit for the rich.
 
Indeed. Steroids can make men violent. Too much testosterone and other hormone therapy might do the same thing to some small percentage of women.

It's all very sad. These people, men and women both, have chosen what is basically cosmetic surgery which unfortunately prohibits them from functioning as actual sexual beings. When you read what they have to do every day to even stay healthy and maintain their appearance and then read how the sex they wish to attract has little to no interest in them, it's just infuriating that they have, imo, been sold a bill of goods, in most cases for money.

Plastic surgeons have a lot to explain. There must be other specialties they can choose.

Look at breast surgery. Women who think they're too flat chested getting implants, women normally well-endowed go in for breast reduction. Noses made so small that pretty soon they look like caricatures of cats. Ribs taken out to create a small waist. How about telling them that self-esteem comes from within, that there are men out there who like all kinds of shapes, and perhaps maybe even look for the beauty within. Concentrate on being fit, well-groomed, well-dressed, focus on nurturing your sense of kindness and maybe even your intelligence and soul. In my experience, when you do that, there will be no shortage of men buzzing around you. You don't need plastic surgeons.

Where I live, plastic surgery is the norm among women who can afford it.
 
Well, that was a bit abrupt. Some plastic surgery does go on here in the Northeast, but it varies by "ethnic" group, class, etc.

Lots and lots of Jewish late adolescents, especially girls, get nose jobs before heading off to college.

In my community, predominantly at least college educated women, well to do, some pockets of old money remaining, with the rest Irish, German, Italian, none of the women in my friendship circle have had anything done. In the broader community, some women have had injections and eyelifts as they get older.

Breast augmentation is almost unheard of among the women I know. In fact, if naturally endowed, you have to be careful not to wear clothing that while not provocative on many women is provocative on you. Dance with someone else's husband in a lowcut evening gown and it's tantamount to social suicide. Same for wearing two-piece bathing suits to the family pool. It's considered tacky. I did it once and never again, unfortunately for me because they're more becoming, but I was the only one wearing a bikini, and I could feel the stares even when I was reading. Also important to wear a cover up if walking around the pool deck.

Oh, I do know a few women who have had tummy tucks, which makes sense given that a lot of women have three children and some four and five, and not everyone is blessed with good genes for skin tone.

Liposuction might be more common than I think, given it's not obvious.

The emphasis is on remaining fit, dieting and exercise. Dozens of groups of fast walking women going past my front door, for ex. lots of tennis and golf. A lot of money is also spent on hair care and nail care.

I thought I'd see if there are statistics. Confirms my anecdotes, I think.

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This man, Tarso Brant, is well-known male transgender model that was born Thereza Christhina, a biological woman, in Belo Horizonte, my hometown. It seems that the gender transition for him was well successful, I think.

PS:
I wanted to post in this thread
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threa...ty-(and-gay-marriage)?highlight=Homosexuality
but ended up posting here by mistake. But I don't think it's totally out of topic when it comes to talking about physical transformations in modern society using hormones and plastic surgeries.


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This man, Tarso Brant, is well-known male transgender model that was born Thereza Christhina, a biological woman, in Belo Horizonte, my hometown. It seems that the gender transition for him was well successful, I think.

PS:
I wanted to post in this thread
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threa...ty-(and-gay-marriage)?highlight=Homosexuality
but ended up posting here by mistake. But I don't think it's totally out of topic when it comes to talking about physical transformations in modern society using hormones and plastic surgeries.


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after,
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Yes he has become a handsome man Duarte.

Imo there is a difference between plastic surgery and such and change of man/woman.

Plastic surgery and so on is imo a matter of "taste" (and of wealth). Pure nature is imo preferable. And things from make up to plastic surgery that enhance the natural beauty and I most say most examples of plastic surgery, face lifting etc are imo plastic fantastic (so kind of ugly to me).

Change of sexual identity is in my opinion more connected to being born in the wrong body. These kind of things look to me as heavy, I rather would not be standing in their shoes. And most of all: who am I to judge about others lives and choices? And I know there is a lot to say about this choices in this respect are sometimes made on a young age, and are quit decisive. This can be troublesome.
 
Yes he has become a handsome man Duarte.

Imo there is a difference between plastic surgery and such and change of man/woman.

Plastic surgery and so on is imo a matter of "taste" (and of wealth). Pure nature is imo preferable. And things from make up to plastic surgery that enhance the natural beauty and I most say most examples of plastic surgery, face lifting etc are imo plastic fantastic (so kind of ugly to me).

Change of sexual identity is in my opinion more connected to being born in the wrong body. These kind of things look to me as heavy, I rather would not be standing in their shoes. And most of all: who am I to judge about others lives and choices? And I know there is a lot to say about this choices in this respect are sometimes made on a young age, and are quit decisive. This can be troublesome.

The human brain isn't even fully developed until age 25, yet some want to transition children that are much younger. For some to think that a child is mature enough to make this life-altering decision is monstrous, and ignorant.

https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/ency...l part of a,cortex, the brain's rational part.
 
The human brain isn't even fully developed until age 25, yet some want to transition children that are much younger. For some to think that a child is mature enough to make this life-altering decision is monstrous, and ignorant.

https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/ency...l part of a,cortex, the brain's rational part.

That's the dilemma's indeed. From what I understand, people who want to transition have the idea from an early age that they were born in the 'wrong body'. And in terms of sex, people are already quite developed at 25.Then the interventions are in fact even more difficult. I emphatically want to place that choice with those people themselves and not start thinking for them. Although it's definitely a point....
 
Pure nature is imo preferable. And things from make up to plastic surgery that enhance the natural beauty and I most say most examples of plastic surgery, face lifting etc are imo plastic fantastic (so kind of ugly to me).

Change of sexual identity is in my opinion more connected to being born in the wrong body.

So pure nature made a mistake? Was the right body given to the wrong person who now needs to turn from man to woman in a process more natural than something as ugly and unnatural as a facelift?
 
Yes he has become a handsome man Duarte.

Imo there is a difference between plastic surgery and such and change of man/woman.

Plastic surgery and so on is imo a matter of "taste" (and of wealth). Pure nature is imo preferable. And things from make up to plastic surgery that enhance the natural beauty and I most say most examples of plastic surgery, face lifting etc are imo plastic fantastic (so kind of ugly to me).

Change of sexual identity is in my opinion more connected to being born in the wrong body. These kind of things look to me as heavy, I rather would not be standing in their shoes. And most of all: who am I to judge about others lives and choices? And I know there is a lot to say about this choices in this respect are sometimes made on a young age, and are quit decisive. This can be troublesome.

I agree with you Northerner. It's a matter of feeling like you're in the wrong body. A man who lives in a woman's body or a woman who inhabits a man's body. The issue is so complex that it transcends homosexuality. There are women who make the transition from gender to man and continue to be attracted to men: They are gay transgender men. Likewise, there are men who make the transition to women and continue to be attracted to women: These are gay transgender women. There are many successful gender transition cases around here. Tarso Brant is a local example from my hometown. He just had to have the mastectomy and take male hormones. The rest nature did. Hugs.
 
That's the dilemma's indeed. From what I understand, people who want to transition have the idea from an early age that they were born in the 'wrong body'. And in terms of sex, people are already quite developed at 25.Then the interventions are in fact even more difficult. I emphatically want to place that choice with those people themselves and not start thinking for them. Although it's definitely a point....
My wife is a subscriber to the Economist, and they did a really good article about this issue which is exclusive to the USA regarding children transitioning. I'm happy to see that Europeans across the political spectrum think it is unacceptable.
 

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