iapetoc
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how yes no
that I2 probably has to do went vandals invade tynisia, the sarasenes etc
that I2 probably has to do went vandals invade tynisia, the sarasenes etc
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ok, regarding the theme, I think you are somewhat on wrong clue....
Albanians are cluster with Serb/Croats/central Ukraine Romania/east and west Hungary (thus Hungary before Magyars arrived), and only together they cluster with Berbers... this indicates that not only Albanians but Serbs as well are related to Berbers
language of Berbers might have been heavily influenced by I2a1 that might have been same ancient old proto-Serb related tribes who settled Sardinia.. so, you would do better if you focus on words shared between Serbian and Berber language...though once you find them you will not be sure whether they are due to I2a1 or due to haplogroup E (as this one is in Serbs up to 20%)
look at Berber people in northwest Africa
and compare to this map of I2a (area in north Africa is I2a1)
I2a1 does correlate with Berbers fairly well.... note that map might be somewhat ad-hoc regarding north Africa as there is probably no precise data for vast areas...
as for Lybia, if it is related to Lydia, this is again potential issue with I2a as Lydia was largely matching I2a spread.... I am not sure but I think split between I2a1 and I2a2 is closer in time than E-V13 i E haplogroups of northwest Africa...I do wonder about genetics of Berber speaking Siwi people (see map above)
how yes no
that I2 probably has to do went vandals invade tynisia, the sarasenes etc
Garrick
i said i don't see the eye,
propably illy has to do with the greek Ell -Ill
El-las means the stones of Ell
Ill-yri I dont know,
but i believe that Ell and Ill means the same,
that is why i believe that E came at 3500 BC or you sugeest 2700 BC
Ell and Ill has to do with middle east i quess
the Ell is something even today searchers try to find what means,
and the only explanation comes from syria, EL means the high, the top of the mountain, and the jews, El Santai powerfull god
El Ellion the high god, the top god
El-las means the gods of the stones (or the stones of the gods) or the people who live on the top of the rocks
I believe Ill means the same
are you sure?How yes no
Interesting observation, and there can be many attempts to point to a connection.
However, in Africa, Slavic languages, including Serbian, are totally foreign, it means no indications of anything in the African languages have found which would have some connection with the Slavic. Simply the connection African languages with Slavic does not exist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afroasiatic_languages*b-n- 'build' (Ehret: *bĭn), attested in Chadic, Semitic (*bny), Cushitic (*mĭn/*măn 'house'), Berber (*bn) and Omotic (Dime bin- 'build, create').
*m-t 'die' (Ehret: *maaw), attested in Chadic (for example, Hausa mutu), Egyptian (mwt *muwt, mt, Coptic mu), Berber (mmet, pr. immut), Semitic (*mwt), and Cushitic (Proto-Somali *umaaw/*-am-w(t)- 'die'). Also Mot, Canaanite god of death.
*s-n 'know', attested in Chadic (for example, Hausa san), Berber, Egyptian and Semitic (Hebrew š-n-n 'learn, study').
*l-s 'tongue' (Ehret: *lis' 'to lick'), attested in Semitic (*lasaan/lisaan 'tongue'), Egyptian (ns *ls, Coptic las), Berber (ils), Chadic (for example, Hausa harshe), and possibly Omotic (Dime lits'- 'lick').
*s-m 'name' (Ehret: *sŭm / *sĭm), attested in Semitic (*sm), Berber (ism), Chadic (for example, Hausa suna), Cushitic, and Omotic (though some see the Berber form, ism, and the Omotic form, sunts, as Semitic loanwords.) The Egyptian smi 'report, announce' offers another possible cognate.
*d-m 'blood' (Ehret: *dîm / *dâm), attested in Berber (idammen), Semitic (*dam), and Chadic. Compare Cushitic *dîm/*dâm, 'red'.
http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/en/Afro-Asiatic_languagesGiven the diversity that exists within the Afro-Asiatic group, and the lack of common vocabulary for agricultural items, it is suggested that the languages dispersed before the commencement of the Neolithic. The finding of a common vocabulary for pottery containers, however, suggests that this technology was known.
For example Proto-Semitic *k'ad-ah- "vessel", found in Arabic kadah "drinking bowl, cup, goblet, glass, tumbler"; Sabaean m-kdh(m,n) "cup; Ethiopic / Geez kadho "vessel, gourd", ma-kdeht "jar, jug, bucket"; Lowland East Cushitic *k'adad- "vessel, gourd; Oromo k'odaa "vessel, gourd; Egyptian qd "pot"; Lowland East Cushitic *k'od- "receptical"; Oromo k'odaa "receptacle"; West Chadic *k'wad- "calabash"; Dangla koda "pot" gives Proto-Afro-Asiatic *k'ud-/*k'od- "Vessel, pot"[8].
Ehret [9] suggests that early Afro-Asiatic languages were involved in the domestication of Ethiopian food crops, but this is disputed by others who suggest these words were found only in the Cushitic and possibly Omotic families, and common cognates for agriculture are not present. Given that wavy line pottery is found widely in the Sahara from 8,000 BCE[10], and that the neolithic agriculture technologies arrived 5000 BCE[11], this sets a possible context for Proto-Afro-Asiatic dispersal. As it is known that the Ethiopian farmers moved into the highlands from the direction of Nubian Sudan, and attempts to translate the Meroitic script found in this area show significant Afro-Asiatic characteristics, linguist Lionel Bender suggests that this area of the Southern Nile was the centre from which the Afro-Asiatic languages dispersed[12]. The dates of pottery and agriculture set approximate early and late dates for this linguistic dispersal. Climatically this was the time of a "wet Sahara" phase with large rivers and lakes. The dispersal of Afro-Asiatic may thus have been a response to the recent operation of the "Sahara pump"[13][14].
are you sure?
if I look at list of 7 common Afro-Asiatic cognates given on wikipedia I can imediatelly recognize 3 of them in Serbian
Some Afroasiatic cognates are:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afroasiatic_languages
afroasiatic m-t (english die)
serbian (u)mreti (die) mrtav (dead)
afroasiatic s-n (know)
serbian znati
afroasiatic l-s (tongue)
serbian lizati (to lick)
3 of 7 are pretty good match
speak Serbian so that the whole world understands you
I undestood very well your intention to write about the albanians.with other[/B]
And I personally knew the Albanians who claimed that the Egyptians originated.
It's a little strange you find relation for the albanians with every afrikan people when you find a similar word.Y-STR variation in Albanian populations: implications on the match probabilities and the genetic legacy of the minority claiming an Egyptian descent
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20238122
How can you be sure the words were not brought to that people from his dynasty?the only language he knew fluently was Albanian
Mean, the Albanian language is an exception because it is not classified into any group of languages, it is unique in Europe as well as Indo-European.
I think this is the right definition.The Albanian language is a distinct Indo-European language that does not belong to any other existing branch.
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Here the first example:
Ik (albanian )
行く[iku] (japanese)
wiki (hawainian)
quick (english)
Can anyone tell me, how these words are related?
In all reality, this dispute isn't about what they call themselves, it's the territorial claims they make based on their imagined community. This is why Greece doesn't mind they use the term 'macedonia', as long as the is a prefix, like northern, Upper, New Macedonia ect, which distinuishes itself from the greek Macedonia. Bulgaria feels the same way and back greece on this.
Please tell me, who is John Amos Comenius?
John Amos Comenius (Czech: Jan Amos Komenský; Slovak: Ján Amos Komenský; German: Johann Amos Comenius; Polish: Jan Amos Komeński; Hungarian: Comenius Ámos János; Latinized: Iohannes Amos Comenius) (28 March 1592 – 4 November 1670) was a Czech teacher, educator, and writer. He was the last bishop of Unity of the Brethren, a religious refugee, and one of the earliest champions of universal education, a concept eventually set forth in his book Didactica Magna. He is often considered the father of modern education.
Differentiation of 63 IE languages rappresented in a tree of greitlinguistic group based on the analysis of the root of 200 lexical signifiers, which are supposed to be the most preserved in all the languages examined. The numbers next to branches indicate % reliability of the construction of that particular branch. The scale located below the figure indicates the years before the present. Some languages are included 2 or 3 times, because it pertains to different dialectal variants or socio-linguistics. Eg, if I is the Gheg Albanian, Albanian II is the Toski, Albanian III is the national literary language. See Dyen, Kruskal and Black (1992), Piazza et al. Taken from the book:» Le radici prime dell'Europa: gli intrecci genetici, linguistici, storici» Di Luigi Cavalli-Sforza, Gianlucca Bocchi. Mondadori Editori, 2001.
http://books.google.it/books?id=AVXquAab7DcC&lpg=PA81&ots=4NsjjkXbKr&dq=ungheresi%20genetica%20sforza&pg=PA78#v=onepage&q&f=false
Some examples:My dear!
Have you ever seen any paint from Paul Jovanovich ?
I really doubt, because you would know very well the albanian national dress!!
Paul Jovanovic, "The music lesson" 1890
Peja Jovanovic - Izdajica
and other from albanians serving in Egypt:Jovanovic - Albanian Sentinel Resting
Arnaut officers & Egyptian recruits crossing the desert
And, a collection of albanian national dress in one video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgL65RaihcA
I think now nobody will do the mistake to compare albanian dress with its of the berbers!
And, If someone thinks that fustanella in all these pictures is not albanian, let see this book:
Handbook for travellers in Greece: including the Ionian Islands. Volume 1 By John Murray
This is one explanation!SHQIPTAR = ISH + GIPT + AR means I AM EGYPTIAN g as wh in what if g as k the coptic
cause in byzantine egyptians even today they are called GYPT-IAN and the COPTIC KOPT-ES = COPT-ES
then THAT APPROACH FITS TO YOU,
MEANING THAT SHQIPTAR MEANS EGYPTIAN.
OR ESH + GIPT + AR = FROM EGYPT ???????
also Ash means from but only in east ionic
because Skiptos means bowed but sgiptos means egyptian
k as gr κ
g as γ -wh- in what 'swhiptos'
or the very ancient before 700 BC skif-os or skiphos wich in aeolian druopean (thessaly) means ksifos early kind of spear, the metallic nose-edge of the spear,
cause in case that shqiptar means form egypt then we have a small lingua conection with egypt,
but in case of shqiptar means something like the sword, then the similarity with proto-greeks is obvious
In our mistreated history, extirpated and transformed, we have to save that which is more valuable: Our Language.
From her we get information from where we come, why we are called such, and which are our symbols. Thus we know well that our symbols are very ancient, they are connected with a ancient believe, with our ancient Deity(Hyjnine) Zeus. On the helmet of our Albanian leader Scanderbeg of 15 century is founded exactly the symbols of this Deity(Hyu): horns of the goat of Amaltia who fed Zeus.
This Deity(Hy) was called: That who sends thunders from above, He from where the thunders fall.
Thunder itself was his symbol and it was called κεραυνός which is pronounced që-raun-os.
This is an albanian expression and in linguistics is called a subjoined word. Of course there is no need for a translation but is read: që ranë. The root of the word is ra, which in today albanian is the past of the verb fall(strike, hit) or alb bie(qelloj, godas).
So that is the verb:when it strikes (me i ra), which gets used when
1. Lightning Strikes(Godet(rrufeja)
2. Lightning falls(Bie(rrufeja)
However that is used in ''"greek"" even to describe the horn eg:
it strikes with horns(i ra me brire)=horns are those that are used to strike and hit.
beside qëraunos we find another word for thunder:
this is the name of the eagle(shqipes) that sends thunder:
And, If someone thinks that fustanella in all these pictures is not albanian, let see this book:
I undestood very well your intention to write about the albanians.
The albanians who claim to originate from Egypt are a minority of Roms.
language of Berbers might have been heavily influenced by I2a1 that might have been same ancient old proto-Serb related tribes who settled Sardinia..
I2a1 does correlate with Berbers fairly well....
I2a1 does correlate with the Berbers ?? the Berbers of Sahara and atlas or the Coastal people of North Africa that suffered numerous invasion for centuries?
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