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What do you mean by "REAL"?Originally Posted by LeBrok
Portugal has a modest population of blacks and mulattos, the great majority were born in the old colonies. Other countries in Europe have far larger Black African populations. Blacks are obviously not native origin Portuguese but are, of course, Portuguese nationals. Pretty simple, yes?
Is a black or mulatto French citizen a native origin Frenchman? Ask an ethnic French person for his thoughts on that.
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I guess Coon used mulatto Portuguese for his hair/eye color map, or maybe he went straightly to Brazil
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I guess Coon used mulatto Portuguese for his hair/eye color map, or maybe he went straightly to Brazil
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
He was probably racist and deranged enough to do that.
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Hmm, so in other words the descendants of African slave from 500 years ago is still not Native Portuguese? You might even not recognize him or her by autosomal DNA after so many generations. But they still not native Portuguese?
Can you describe this Native Ethnic Portuguese then? How do you draw the line?
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No joke...even today they do it.I guess Coon used mulatto Portuguese for his hair/eye color map, or maybe he went straightly to Brazil
A mtDNA study intended for spaniards was done in Latin Americans !! Obviously it was later thrown in the dust-bin
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It's all your doing, your arrogant, defencive and often abusive position against anyone that might suggest different point of view than Iberian Propaganda required.So, now your pretending to be a psychiatrist?
Obviously, you have not fully read the moronic comments posted by some social Untermenschen on this thread.
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I wonder how many 'white' people in Europe are in strict terms ethnically where they originate from.
I wonder if it really matters.
In reality the probability of even knowing ones own father is less than unity.
Like we say hereabouts --- Mothers baby, fathers maybe.
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Different point of view ?? LOL
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Do we have info of slave population in Europe? Or even better, slave per capita? How many people lived in Portugal in 15 hundreds? How many slaves arrived? Honestly I don't think there were any valid statistics at that time.
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I agree. That's why it is ridiculous to talk about this...
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There are so few people in Portugal who MAY be able to genetically pinpoint Black African heritage from 500 years ago that the subject is not even worth discussing. In any case, in ALL European countries Black African elements do not comprise part of the indigenous base.
Fundamentally - and you can confirm this through numerous genetic, archaeological and historical sources - native origin Portuguese, like the great majority of other Iberians and, in the main, Atlantic Facade peoples, are a blend of original Iberian (such as the Tartessians), proto-Celtic, Celtic and Celtiberian, with some Germanic and minor strains of ancient Eurasian Berber. All other contributions such as Greek, Roman, Phoenician and Byzantine elements had no significant impact on the ancestral base of Portugal.
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No joke...even today they do it.
A mtDNA study intended for spaniards was done in Latin Americans !! Obviously it was later thrown in the dust-bin
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. In Portugal they even had mulattos and people with Brazilian heritage as part of at least one native DNA study. You wonder about some of these charlatans who call themselves genetic "scientists"
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Arrogant, defensive? How about just efforts by serious people of Iberian heritage attempting to communicate the TRUTH? How about it, Dr. Freud? Is that arrogant? You would do the same exact thing if you were in my shoes, wouldn't you?
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Exactly my point, embrace what we are. I like Iberians same way regardless if they're blond or dark, Celtic or other. They are same valid Europeans as Finish or Czech.
I just don't understand their (Iberians here) constant preoccupation of proving how European they are. Quote them R1b percentage in Iberia, and they immediately find a research with bigger number. Quote the African admixture percentage, and they will find one with smaller. The most interesting here is the intensity they attack the poor soul with.
Off course the problem is that we don't know the "correct" research, only they know the right ones. And obviously people that don't agree with them, are uneducated ignorants, idiots, comedians, ******, insecure manipulators, etc..
Other than that they are good guys. lol
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The records vary to some degree and are not necessarily conclusive. What appears to be well documented is that the great majority of the Black African slaves that arrived in Portugal were actually sent on to other European ports (there was, after all this terrible thing called the Atlantic Slave Trade). Liverpool and Bristol received a significant percentage. Seville, Rotterdam, Marseilles and some Italian ports also took shipments.
In the 1500s, it is estimated (revised several times in recent years) that, at a high point, 25,000 Black Africans were resident in Portugal. The country's total population during that period of time was in the range of 3-4 million, therefore, at most, the total Black population of Portugal amounted to no more than 1% at any point.
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The problem is not manipulated percentages, the problem is not having the basic concepts of genetics and act as if you have the reason. Confusing mtDNa and Y-DNA with Admixture, and when you point out this and try to teach them, they'll repeat their same crap over and over .
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No, I wouldn't argue, and I don't argue about ethnicity, genetic percentages, where we are coming from, etc. The research is still young and being corrected constantly. We need another 10-20 years of detailed research into population genetics, and verify and correct data many times, to finally see the true genetic picture. The science and future will bring the truth and better understanding. Why would I argue about this now with inconclusive data material?
Secondly even if I argue about different things I try not to offend people.
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Let's see, why are you not attacking the lying, fact distorting social Untermenschen who are slandering Iberians? Don't criticize Iberians for presenting the TRUTH. Criticize the LIARS and intra-race racists. Only fair, correct?
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How am I offending you or anyone else here? Think about some of the provocative things that YOU post; like making childish comments about a stupid picture to engender a response from me and /or others of Iberian background. Get, real...
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Anyway, back to topic before one of the mods decides to close this thread.
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What do you see at the bottom? I didnt want to be too graphic, but a pair of black legs wide open a la the female servant at the back.
The Portuguese imported vast amounts of African slaves into their own country and many females were used as domestic servants. That is the allusion of the painting.
Notice also the lazy white dog asleep on the floor in the domestic setting while the black bird hops through the door. Its all figurative of what happened to the Portuguese nation with the introduction of African females into the gene pool. The family are depicted as just as white as Celts with fine features -- unlike the Portuguese today. Remember that the R1b of the Portuguese separated only a few thousand years ago from the Celts and Germanics and they would have been just as white before they racially mixed. And there is also a possible allusion in the painting with the darker looking child in the street outside the door.
Remember that the painting is from the time when the Portuguese nation changed its racial character to a mixed Afro-Iberian population. In my opinion the picture is quite possibly a figurative record of what happened -- the Portuguese were just as white as the Irish but they interbred on a large scale with imported African female slaves who were used as domestic servants. The artist wanted to leave a figurative record of what was happening.
Of course, its a figurative interpretation and by its figurative nature could not possibly be any clearer. The proof of racial mixture in Portugual is in the explicit historical record itself and now in the genetic studies.
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I suggest Maciamo to close this thread
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