hmmmm
I notice some connection that today also exist in Minor Asia, kept by modern Turks, and many that exist in close in Greeks mostly refugees after 1923
Wiki is suggesting a lot,
I know that Greeks create Koine ( an Hybridic accepted by most) after Attic (no Hattik)
Homer is pure IE which use Pelasgic words,
Pelasgic elements are in Hesiod,
The Attic dialect has many Pelasgic non IE,
later Koine is a try to make Greek and Greco-Pelasgic more connected,
the case of G-Ydna drives me away, probably there was a population that lived south of Hettit
I found this in wiki,
but no data to compare, only the synonym Attica (athens) with Hattico
The Hattians spoke a non-Indo-European language of uncertain affiliation called
Hattic, now believed by some scholars to be related to the
Northwest Caucasian language group. Many Northwest Caucasian (Adygean) family names have prefixes like "Hath" or "Hatti" and especially one of the most known Adygean tribes have the name "Hattico" (in the meaning of "HattiSon") .
some marks as words or letters we find in Greece are far older than known alphabet but no one can be sure,
the case of creole language is certain,
but with whom and by who?
the case of a population that moved from inner minor asia almost middle east to west coasts of minor asia, to dwell Greece and Illyria, and later pass to Italy? and assimilate local italian with older language??
that is normal, to me
or they create language in minor asia and kept it pure until italy???
there is also the possibility of a pre-phoenician or cyprus or cilicia or lycaonia that had abjad, and later move to more IE and became creole,
many linguists consider them Levantine towards Phoenician,
the case of Aegean-Anatolian is because there we find that culture in early times,
the possibility of Hatti-Rasians -> Hatrusians ->etruscans
(watch above)
or the posibbility of En-
tursis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrrhenoi
the exonym Tyrrhenoi sends me to Tyros in Lebanon
the Tursis leads me to cillikia the city of Taursus
could they be a pre-Turkish civilization? or the Byzantines name the Turks after Taursus, or just a coincidence?
I know about abjad, Archaiology proves that phoenician alphabet is older than Greek,
and the origin of Latin alphabet is Kyme Κυμη island,
but makes me wonder if Greeks add marks-letters or the phoenician minus them.
probably Etruscan Pelasgians Anatolians and around cyprus there was 1 language population,
or people neighboring in order to trade create a language that mixed
A) either the mix was done by Hettit and Hattians before Etruscans move west,
B) either the mix was done by Minoans in the cities tel-kabri and Alalakh and Cyprus probably as also the city of Tyros which Alexander wait to join him, recognizing him as an apogonus of Pelasgians (Tyros did not belong to the same group as Sidon and Byblos, Greeks had many cities with simmilar name)
C) either there were 3 mix
1 in Italy
2nd in Aegean
3rd in Illyria
the case that Minoans were not Pelasgic but Lydian, and Pelasgians were Levantines?
but that it is proven that they are connected.
many questions,
PS
that is out of thread
now about the case of Abjad
in Thessaly and in Epirus is clear and obvious, not that much in other areas,
people when speaking they erase or no pronounce vowels,
in 1900 that sounds make many foreign scientists to imagine that they discover a new language,
the less vowel in Greek language, especially in these areas makes it sound like Slavic speaking people than a greek,
example
κοχλιαριοθηκη ko-chli-a-ri-o-the-ke
in Serres becomes khliarothek k_-chli-a-r_-o-the-k_ minus 3 vowel
they use only the vowels they need, and sometimes you wonder what they say, cause each village uses its own
example 2 (she was a pretty girl) asking me
δεν με λες, φυσικο ειναι το μαλλι σου? became
δε' μ' λες, φυσ'κο 'ν' το μαλλι σ' ? 5 vowel miising and 1 n
(i understand φoυσκωνει
φυσικο = natural φoυσκωνει = pump up, extra volume)
is that an oral abjad???
so if write it down then i use a kind of abjad system?
is inside Dna to speak like that?
PS2
so in case fro thewru
could have just marks ΘWR , and we suggest it says Thewru, according other writen in same tablet, and according same marks found in other areas.
but ΘWR could be thawru thewru thawro etc?
like QRT HDST could also be Qurata Hedesta or QReT HuDSaT etc.
is the Etruscan tablets in abjad system written? cause then we all make quess,
PS3
Some science fiction searchers connect Pelasgian with Atlantis,
the Αιγιαλις Aigialis,
geologists prove that whole Greece was sea before years, later 2 land were the Greece and the Aigialis, Aigialis sunk after Thera Volcanic activity,
using the above as also the avaris and some geologigal achivements claim that Atlantis was a land that sunk and create today geological situation,
it is a scenario, although in that case we hunt witches or aliens,
the case of Pelasgian culture is enough old (starts from 5000 BC and is in its high before 3000) surely leave us a ray of light to susspect that pelasgians could be before many middle east culture,
and many anatolian languages are Aegean and not middle eastern.
but that is still under suspicion and not wide proved, reaching science fiction, although there is a possibility, if some new archaiological evidence prove so,
there is εvidence of that in some videos,
1) Phaistos disk have 17 symbols same with 24 Phoenician,
Phaistos is far ancient that phoenicians,
2) Phoenicians if they were so strong at 1150 , then why Greeks left 10 years leaving behind no man, no ship? who will protect their families,
3 if Priamus hire so many, then why he did not hire Phoenician mercenairies,
Arthur Evans in Scripta Minoa 1909 is clear that phoenicians took Alphabet from Cretans,
who were the south and second capital of Pelasgians ατ 1300 BC,
in that case drives us today some marks as Y X D in an island that are same time with Egyptian protosinaitic,
the above theory is not yet rejected, or accepted, simply misses evidence, as also evidence are missing to reject it,
only a tomp of king, is older than Pelasgic form alphabet,
the case that Greeks added vowels in Phoenician alphabet could be opposite,
the phoenician minus vowels cause they only use 4 strong haevy and long the μακρα α αι (εε) ω η
not even ου
PS 4
about abjad and vowel languages,
try comparing north languages with african, or arabian,
north languages use a less vowel, cause they open mouth a lot, and warm air is leaving body,
but in Africa, vowels are many cause speaking with vowels cools mouth and body
), given how they came from Anatolia, they might be both J2 and G...
