Germanic vs Latino - Economic strength?

[^ lynx ^]

Lets see. LeBrok posted:

If our Iberians are typical characters for the region, the rest population could be similar, and we know they won't let anyone cloud their perfect image. This could be the reason behind Portugal and Spain many problems and always playing catch up game to north Europe. As I stated above this might have something to do with folks of south being more emotional and getting upset faster than people of north Europe.

I posted:

Cold-minded north-europeans in the last Football World Cup. Funny how we have never get to see such behaviour from portugueses, frenchs or spanish football supporters in any WC. Nevertheless, I'm not trying to imply that germans are this way... I'm trying to imply that LeBrok stereotypes and generalizations are laughable.

This is what I meant when I said you only keep replying to comments you only find a logical response to. In the same instant I exposed how retarded are your stupid assumptions you automatically try to change the track of the thread.

 

[^ lynx ^]

You don't have a clue ?? How about this :
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html
Yes, you see it right : Andorra and San Marino are latin countries. And they have higher GDP per capita than Canada, Australia, Netherlands, Sweden, Belgium , Denmark....
Ay, Ay, LeBrok..

Wilhelm I'm afraid there's something wrong going on with that ranking. According to that link Spain has a higher GDP per capita than France. That's rubbish.

And besides Andorra and San Marino are fiscal paradises they shouldn't be taken into account for this matter.

 

[Wilhelm]

Wilhelm I'm afraid there's something wrong going with that ranking. According to that link Spain has a higher GDP per capita than France. That's rubbish.

And besides Andorra and San Marino are fiscal paradises they shouldn't be taken into account for this matter.

Yes, I know. But in all other rankings other than CIA, Andorra and S.M are also at the top, over most european countries.
But when I posted the Stand of Living ranking, he didn't answer. I think the Standard of Living is a better indicator of the wealth of a country, rather than GDP per Capita. Ask Guinea Equatioral...
Also he didn't say a word about the 40 years of dictatorship in Spain..this guy has no clue about the effects of dictatorship

 

[^ lynx ^]

I think the Standard of Living is a better indicator of the wealth of a country, rather than GDP per Capita. Ask Guinea Equatioral...

I agree. GDP per capita ranks don't take into account the real distribution of money.

 

[Cambrius (The Red)]

I suggest Maciamo to close this thread. There is no point. It has been proven already that european Latin countries are at the top in European and world GDP per capita. Also at the top in the world in Quality of Life. If you haven't or didn't want to see it, im not gonna repeat myself.

I second your request!

 

[^ lynx ^]

This thread would have been more usefull/accurate according to the european economic reality if it would have been focused on "Western Europe vs Eastern Europe".

But then again we all (me, Wilhelm and Cambria Red) know who is behind this kind of threads.

 

[LeBrok]

Yes, I know. But in all other rankings other than CIA, Andorra and S.M are also at the top, over most european countries.
But when I posted the Stand of Living ranking, he didn't answer. I think the Standard of Living is a better indicator of the wealth of a country, rather than GDP per Capita. Ask Guinea Equatioral...
Also he didn't say a word about the 40 years of dictatorship in Spain..this guy has no clue about the effects of dictatorship

Read twice or slowly, you're missing stuff Wilhelm.

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showpost.php?p=355265&postcount=59

My advise is to check few different statistics before posting. You can catch mistakes, and average data to make sure your not accused of misleading.
GDP or GDP per capita are have easier formulas and fewer data and therefore more precise and consistent.
Development Index or Standard of living are more difficult to get right, and are all over the place with ranking. These surely need few sources to average data and see clearer picture. Be more careful Wilhelm.

Some countries are blessed with natural resources that other countries need and buy, like oil, gas, diamonds, gold etc It is easier for these countries to rump up their GDP. The difference between Norway and Sweden shows that. Not that Norway is doing anything wrong, it's just easier.
The biggest success and admiration comes from making economic growth on pure invention, investing and production without help of natural resources though.

I'm just wondering how much of economic impact North Europeans, coming for retirement to beautiful coastlines of Spain, made? Their money were spend in Spain increasing production therefore GDP. Mind that retired people are the richest demographic of developed country population.
Can we say that Spanish coastline is a natural resource, and a blessing for Spain?
Do we have data to confirm that?
Help needed, Wilhelm, lynx, anyone...?

 

[Wilhelm]

Read twice or slowly, you're missing stuff Wilhelm.

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showpost.php?p=355265&postcount=59

Like I said, you have no clue on the effect the Franco dictatorship had in the economy of Spain. Even today, some of this effects are visible, thoug we have almost completely recovered. Before embarassing yourself, read about it. You are offending an entire nation, by saying "the dictatorship has no effect in the GDP ". Yes, it has. If it was not for the dictatorship our per capita would be much higher. Even though, we are 8th in Total GDP in the world. But like I said, GDP per Capita is not a good indicator for wealth. The Quality of Life is a much better indicator. And Spain is above most european countries in that.

 

[Cambrius (The Red)]

Read twice or slowly, you're missing stuff Wilhelm.

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showpost.php?p=355265&postcount=59

My advise is to check few different statistics before posting. You can catch mistakes, and average data to make sure your not accused of misleading.
GDP or GDP per capita are have easier formulas and fewer data and therefore more precise and consistent.
Development Index or Standard of living are more difficult to get right, and are all over the place with ranking. These surely need few sources to average data and see clearer picture. Be more careful Wilhelm.

Some countries are blessed with natural resources that other countries need and buy, like oil, gas, diamonds, gold etc It is easier for these countries to rump up their GDP. The difference between Norway and Sweden shows that. Not that Norway is doing anything wrong, it's just easier.
The biggest success and admiration comes from making economic growth on pure invention, investing and production without help of natural resources though.

I'm just wondering how much of economic impact North Europeans, coming for retirement to beautiful coastlines of Spain, made? Their money were spend in Spain increasing production therefore GDP. Mind that retired people are the richest demographic of developed country population.
Can we say that Spanish coastline is a natural resource, and a blessing for Spain?
Do we have data to confirm that?
Help needed, Wilhelm, lynx, anyone...?

Wilhem is quite correct. Franco's rule had highly deleterious effects on Spain's development, overall. Spain never built a proper infrastructure and was well behind technologically more advanced nations during the entire period he held power. Do some reading on modern Spanish history before making comments.

BTW, what Salazar did to Portugal was even worse than Franco's insanity.

 

[LeBrok]

Like I said, you have no clue on the effect the Franco dictatorship had in the economy of Spain. Even today, some of this effects are visible, thoug we have almost completely recovered. Before embarassing yourself, read about it. You are offending an entire nation, by saying "the dictatorship has no effect in the GDP ". Yes, it has. If it was not for the dictatorship our per capita would be much higher. Even though, we are 8th in Total GDP in the world. But like I said, GDP per Capita is not a good indicator for wealth. The Quality of Life is a much better indicator. And Spain is above most european countries in that.

Now show everone where and when I said that: "the dictatorship has no effect in the GDP ".

The Quality of Life is a much better indicator. And Spain is above most european countries in that

Ayayay, you didn't do your homework again. You are for a nice surprise then:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality-of-life_index
Spain is 17, a point higher than Uruguay, and Portugal 2 point below Uruguay.....ayayay.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_quality_of_living
Not bad 41 and 42 for Spanish cities, yes Spain is above most Europeans cities, but probably not above the once you would like to beat.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0778562.htmlhttp:/www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0778562.html
Here 17 in Europe just behind France and Italy.

http://www.economist.com/media/pdf/QUALITY_OF_LIFE.PDF
This one is very good for Spain, almost at the top.

http://livingingreece.gr/2008/04/11/minimum-salary-vs-cost-and-quality-of-living-in-the-eu/
This one not that good, somewhere in the middle of Europe.

The point is the truth is in the middle, and not where Wilhelm wants.

 

[Wilhelm]

Now show everone where and when I said that: "the dictatorship has no effect in the GDP ".

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showpost.php?p=355265&postcount=59

Ay, ay, ay...

Ayayay, you didn't do your homework again. You are for a nice surprise then:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality-of-life_index
Spain is 17, a point higher than Uruguay, and Portugal 2 point below Uruguay.....ayayay.

ICELAND below ECUADOR and Mexico in quality of life :77:
Sweden at the same level of Panama and Costa Rica...
Someone made this list with the ass...

By the way, Spain is above your ultra-nordic-less-emotional : Sweden, Iceland, Finland, United Kingdom, Ireland, etc..

Ay, ay , ay

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_quality_of_living
Not bad 41 and 42 for Spanish cities, yes Spain is above most Europeans cities, but probably not above the once you would like to beat.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0778562.htmlhttp:/www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0778562.html
Here 17 in Europe just behind France and Italy.

http://www.economist.com/media/pdf/QUALITY_OF_LIFE.PDF
This one is very good for Spain, almost at the top.

http://livingingreece.gr/2008/04/11/minimum-salary-vs-cost-and-quality-of-living-in-the-eu/
This one not that good, somewhere in the middle of Europe.

The point is the truth is in the middle, and not where Wilhelm wants.

In the middle..I don't think so , Spain is 10th in the world, above your country Canada, and other mega-nordic-less-emotional :

1. Ireland 8,33
2. Switzerland 8,068
3. Norway 8,051
4. Luxembourg 8,015
5. Sweden 7,937
6. Australia 7,925
7. Iceland 7,911
8. Italy 7,810
9. Denmark 7,797
10. Spain 7,727
11. Singapur 7,719
12. United States 7,615
13. Canada 7,599
14. New Zealand 7,436
15. Netherlands 7,433
16. Japan 7,392
17. Hong-Kong 7,347
18. Portugal 7,307
19. Austria 7,268

http://www.all-rankings.com/social-...irst-20-highest-qualityoflife-index-countries

 

[^ lynx ^]

You posted the HDI from 2006 ... how typical of you posting out of date data (like when you posted the rank of countries by population height, what a coincidence). Let me help you on this:

http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/ HDI 2009

1. Norway
2. Australia
3. Iceland
4. Canada
5. Ireland
6. Netherlands
7. Sweden
8. France
9. Switzerland
10. Japan
11. Luxembourg
12. Finland
13. United States
14. Austria
15. Spain
16. Denmark
17. Belgium
18. Italy
19. Liechtenstein
20. New Zealand
21. United Kingdom
22. Germany
23. Singapore
24. Hong Kong, China (SAR)
25. Greece
26. Korea (Republic of)
27. Israel

29. Slovenia
30. Brunei Darussalam
31. Kuwait
32. Cyprus
33. Qatar
34. Portugal
35. United Arab Emirates
36. Czech Republic
37. Barbados
38. Malta

I'm just wondering how much of economic impact North Europeans, coming for retirement to beautiful coastlines of Spain, made? Their money were spend in Spain increasing production therefore GDP. Mind that retired people are the richest demographic of developed country population.

Let's compare the economic sectors between Spain and let's say Canada and USA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_States

GDP by sector agriculture (0.9%), industry (20.6%), services (78.5%)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Canada

GDP by sector agriculture (2.1%), industry (28.8%), services (69.1%)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Spain

GDP by sector agriculture (2.0%), energy (2.5%), industry (11.6%), construction (10.7%), services (67.3%)

Can we say that Spanish coastline is a natural resource, and a blessing for Spain?
Do we have data to confirm that?
Help needed, Wilhelm, lynx, anyone...?

Can we say that you are being just pathetically manipulative again? :disappointed: Congratulations you're turning into a troll. Sirious and all his troop must be delighted.

 

[Wilhelm]

how typical of you posted out of date data (like when you posted the rank of countries by population height, what a coincidence).

Not only it was outdated, but he purposedly changed the height of Spain...as if we were not going to see the flaw

 

[edao]

Now my thought about the four countries you named is that France wins the comparison. Don't accuse me too quickly to be chauvinistic and look at the charts France is number one except for GDP where Germany is before us. But if you add to France Northern Italy (same linguistic branch) we have a higher GDP than German speaking Germany and Austria for more or less the same population.
France also have the best healthcare in the world and a strong social protection for workers, things that are basically non-existent in UK (from an European point of view of course) and cost us a lot.

The only economy that can be stronger than the French one is Germany because it's by far the biggest industrial power in Europe, but overall I'll say France. So to answer your implicit question, Latin > Germanic economically speaking.

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I wouldn't particulary argue with that, politicians in the UK have held the French transport and health systems up as an example. On the subject of a single language boosting EU economic performance, what are French attitudes to English? I remember being in Germany and seeing english phrases on magazines and in adverts and also hearing three lions football song being played in a night club in Cologne which I found very bizzarre. The British are very ignorant when it comes to foreign languages, French and German are the two main ones taught in schools and few pupils take them very seriously.

I get the impression no one in this forum would be open to a neutral common language, as in use every day not just in business? I read a while ago that Prodi former Italian premier had suggested a reversion to Latin.

 

[^ lynx ^]

Not only it was outdated, but he purposedly changed the height of Spain...as if we were not going to see the flaw

Yes I remember it. Pretty childish. There's something twisted and weird going on this guy's mind. :disappointed:

 

[LeBrok]

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showpost.php?p=355265&postcount=59

"Long dictatorship is a valid reason why Iberia is delayed economically compared to top GDP per capita countries in Europe."

Wilhelm, ask your friends to translate this sentence for you, because obviously you don't understand what it means.



Now, didn't I agree with Cambria and you that dictatorship caused economic hardship to Spain?

You can start apologizing, I'm waiting...

 

[Wilhelm]

"Long dictatorship is a valid reason why Iberia is delayed economically compared to top GDP per capita countries in Europe."

Wilhelm, ask your friends to translate this sentence for you, because obviously you don't understand what it means.



Now, didn't I agree with Cambria and you that dictatorship caused economic hardship to Spain?

You can start apologizing, I'm waiting...

You said it with sarcasm...:wary2: now you pretend you didn't..

 

[LeBrok]

Can we say that you are being just pathetically manipulative again? :disappointed: Congratulations you're turning into a troll. Sirious and all his troop must be delighted.

Manipulative? Are you confusing me with Wilhelm and yourself, showing only stuff that fits your delusional views? I showed you 5 randomly found statistics, that show different results!!! How manipulative is this? Do you know what manipulating data is? Ask Wilhelm, he's good in it.

Looks to me that you guys a employees of Department of Spanish Propaganda. Spending all day long doing nothing but attacking people that express even smallest criticism of Spain. Not even criticism, just different opinion is enough to get your official propagandist title "manipulative, ignorant troll". Is it a new department or left over Franco's dictatorship? Departamento Nacional de Propaganda

 

[Wilhelm]

Manipulative? Are you confusing me with Wilhelm and yourself, showing only stuff that fits your delusional views? I showed you 5 randomly found statistics, that show different results!!! How manipulative is this? Do you know what manipulating data is? Ask Wilhelm, he's good in it.

Delusional views ? That's funny coming from you :
Just to show you how flawed your theory of cold minded vs emotional, in your link , Spain is above : Sweden, Iceland, Finland, United Kingdom, Ireland, etc..

 

[Cambrius (The Red)]

This thread should be closed.