In what kind of relationship do people get HIV/AIDS more easily ?

TwistedMac said:
what kind of [南無阿弥陀仏] comment is that!?!?
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if it is narrow minded then a large % of Drs on this earth must be narrow-minded. stupid? retarded? homofobic?? no it is "homophobic" and how is my comment homophobic? did I say I hate gay people? inbred? what do you mean by inbred? are you racist? prejudice? loser? dont think so....[ ]It is a fact. AIDS is strongly related to male gay sex.
study your subject.
unless ofcoarse you are irrate cause you dont like me saying negative things about gays.
I am just stating as to why Japan does not have a problem with AIDS. why do you think Japan doesnt have a problem with AIDS? Japanese people sleep around more so than any other people around the world (if not pretty damn close). Japanese have MULTIPLE partners. We all know this. Prostitution is HUGE in Japan....schoolgirls....housewives....you name it. Clymidia is a rampant STD in Japan....plus obvously other STD`s BUT not AIDS. Japanese also do not like to use condoms.
 
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Accually I beg to differ I dont mean to ruffel any feathers by saying this but I saw a thing on the news where Asia (and they included Japan) is the second biggest AIDS epicenter in the world. The first is Africa in case anyone is interested.
 
bossel said:
Making the eagle scream again, Twisted? Drawing the long bow?
It may just be a lack of education. Don't kill, but educate!

(Sorry for the idioms, but just found them on M-W & couldn't resist)


For Amazing..., take a look here:
http://www.aids.org/info/FAQs.html

& about Japan:
http://www.utopia-asia.com/aidsjp.htm

Quote from one of the news articles there:
"Numerous surveys demonstrate that most men and women in their 20s do not use condoms. Kihara points to a lack of AIDS education for young people, whose ignorance about the subject she describes as "frightening." AIDS education in primary and middle school, which began just last year, focuses on eliminating HIV discrimination rather than teaching safe sex, AIDS activists complain. Activists and some academics also highlight a culture that discourages female assertiveness."

Japan may not have a big problem yet, but if ignored long enough AIDS/HIV will be a problem!
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educate?????

I NEVER said heterosexual people cannot get AIDS. It depends. It is difficult for a guy to get it form a girl, but is easy for a girl to get it from a guy. it is also easy for a guy to get it from a guy. it is difficult for a girl to get it from a girl. All of this taking in consideration the kind of sexual practice these groups do.
what is this " Japan may not have a big problem yet, but if ignored long enough AIDS/HIV will be a problem!". AIDS has been around for 25 years. It does not take "breaks" nor is it discrimitory with regards to what country or group it will attack next. The Japanese dont have a huge AIDS problem because of what I said before. YES there are gays but many of them in the closet. Japan does not have "Gay Pride". (which is great!) nor are Japanese into Anal Sex which is the EASIEST and most COMMON way to get AIDS with sexual contact. Then then you have introvenice drugs. There is not a big problem in Japan for that either.
As I have said AIDS has shown its face on all 4 corners fo the globe. 25 years it has been around. Sure you may see a SLIGHT increase in Japan if there was no eduacation but the greater problem I believe is common STD`s and clymidia where if left untreated can cause problems with a womens reproductive system.
and on a last note you CAN get AIDS by doing only oral sex. But it is a very very slight risk just like Hetoralsexual sex (considering you do not engage in anal sex)

The studies you posted just states how you can get AIDS. Not who are the higher risk groups and who are the lower risk groups. This for obvious reasons

I am educated. and now you are!
 
Amazinggrace said:
It is a fact. AIDS is strongly related to male gay sex.
study your subject.
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Nope, you should get your facts straight! Male homosexuals are only one of several high risk groups.
If "AIDS is strongly related to male gay sex", how comes that "Today there are on average 13 infected women for every 10 infected men in sub-Saharan Africa ? up from 12 for 10 in 2002. The difference is even more pronounced among 15 to 24 year olds. A review compared the ratio of young women living with HIV to young men living with HIV; this ranges from 20 women for every 10 men in South Africa to 45 women for every 10 men in Kenya and Mali." (from UNAIDS)

Please educate yourself before you make more people angry at you!

From UNAIDS:
"I/3 Are some subtypes of HIV associated with certain modes of
transmission? Yes. For example, subtype B is associated mostly with homosexual contact and injecting drug use (essentially via blood). The recent, rapidly spreading HIV epidemic in Eastern Europe among injecting drug users is largely associated with a new B/A CRF. The epidemic in South-East Asia is mostly fuelled by heterosexual transmission of subtype C in India and China, or the A/E CRF in Thailand and neighbouring countries. However, it is still unclear whether some subtypes or their recombinant forms may be more infectious or more transmissible than others."


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It is difficult for a guy to get it form a girl, but is easy for a girl to get it from a guy.
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Err, why should be transmission so much easier from m>f than from f>m? Educate me!


what is this " Japan may not have a big problem yet, but if ignored long enough AIDS/HIV will be a problem!". AIDS has been around for 25 years.
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Yeah, but it all depends how many carriers of the virus had impact on society, on which part of society, when the first cases occurred in that society & so on. That's why Africa is so full of HIV cases while parts of Asia have been virtually HIV-free for a long time.


nor are Japanese into Anal Sex which is the EASIEST and most COMMON way to get AIDS with sexual contact.
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Err... (again) Any sources? Educate me!
 
Let me see, Amazing has called Japanese girls whores, he has made derogitory remarks against people who are gay, spit out random information, insulted everyone on the forum, and started a troll thread in the past.

He benefits this forum how? Anyone want to tell me? We need this type of crap on here?
 
i'm sorry bossel.. i just cant fukkin do it.. i can't fukkin put any work into giving this [ ] a serious well thought out answer... time to make the eagle scream and draw the longbow

1) i am not gay, not that it matters.

2) you tell me to study my subject and all you do is rabble the same kind of hate propaganda against gay people that the nazis did agaisnt the jews "it's scientifically proven that jews are not only inferior but polute the arian race, a large % of scientists agree".

3) inbred means your mom had sex with a close relative! it has nothing to do with races!

4) it's homofobic because THAT'S WHAT IT IS!! just like the nazi propaganda was extremely racist yours is extremely homofobic!

5) [cause I got rid of this bit of nastyness already -M]

6) i like bossel and if i had the calm of mind i would try and replicate his education method, i have myself been lectured by him (let's just say i lost) so it has nothing to do with the fact that he's on the same side as me, it has to do with him not being on the [not bright] side (i'm on the idiot side at the moment for example through my outbursts, i admit to that.. but atleast i'm not [南無妙法蓮華経]

7) [like in #5]
 
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bossel said:
Nope, you should get your facts straight! Male homosexuals are only one of several high risk groups.
If "AIDS is strongly related to male gay sex", how comes that "Today there are on average 13 infected women for every 10 infected men in sub-Saharan Africa ? up from 12 for 10 in 2002. The difference is even more pronounced among 15 to 24 year olds. A review compared the ratio of young women living with HIV to young men living with HIV; this ranges from 20 women for every 10 men in South Africa to 45 women for every 10 men in Kenya and Mali." (from UNAIDS)

Please educate yourself before you make more people angry at you!

From UNAIDS:
"I/3 Are some subtypes of HIV associated with certain modes of
transmission? Yes. For example, subtype B is associated mostly with homosexual contact and injecting drug use (essentially via blood). The recent, rapidly spreading HIV epidemic in Eastern Europe among injecting drug users is largely associated with a new B/A CRF. The epidemic in South-East Asia is mostly fuelled by heterosexual transmission of subtype C in India and China, or the A/E CRF in Thailand and neighbouring countries. However, it is still unclear whether some subtypes or their recombinant forms may be more infectious or more transmissible than others."


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Err, why should be transmission so much easier from m>f than from f>m? Educate me!



Yeah, but it all depends how many carriers of the virus had impact on society, on which part of society, when the first cases occurred in that society & so on. That's why Africa is so full of HIV cases while parts of Asia have been virtually HIV-free for a long time.



Err... (again) Any sources? Educate me!
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the west, asia...africa they are all different countries with different attitudes to sex with also different ideas on how sex should be performed. You may not be aware but in Africa anal sex is just as common as vaginal if not even more because they are concerned about getting pregnant. So this is the same gay sex. it is anal sex. Risk wise I mean.

"Err, why should be transmission so much easier from m>f than from f>m? "

I havent got time. I am already trying to teach my dog tricks. full up sorry.
go read up on the internet.

Emoni said:
Let me see, Amazing has called Japanese girls whores, he has made derogitory remarks against people who are gay, spit out random information, insulted everyone on the forum, and started a troll thread in the past.

He benefits this forum how? Anyone want to tell me? We need this type of crap on here?
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let me see........
yes I am "guilty" of calling J girls whores. If I offended someone sorry. But it is true they do get around.
how have I made derogitory remarks against gays? I just said AIDS is a GAY problem and not so much a heterosexual problem.
spit out random information? [an expression that indicates befuddlement or confusion]?
 
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TwistedMac said:
[this is getting old people....]
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Hate propaganda??? I was merely stating a FACT. I never said I hated gays! I dont love them. But I dont hate them. As long as they dont try to get too close to me I dont care what gay people do. I was again just stating a point the reasons why Japan does not have an AIDS epidemic like AFRICA or AMERICA etc etc.
Ok then [crude expression for upptiy people] why doesnt Japan have an epidemic like AFRICA or AMERICA etc etc????? why????? the Japanese are known to sleep around. They are known to have multiple partners. Prostitution is big time in Japan. Japanese are known not to use condoms.
I am very good friends with a reputable Dr. Here in Japan. What "bossel" knows more than him??? I think you should [whoa, time for the warning points!]
 
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you're good friends with a doctor?.. i doubt it.

the reason why everyone is "sticking up for eachother" here is not that we "hold eachothers back" it's that most agree that you're an *******.. we all started disliking you at the same time..

notice how many people have joined since you and none of them have got people that hate them since they don't put out hate propaganda?...

you can't just claim anything to be facts because you want it to... facts don't work that way.. except in propaganda.

i have no figures on japans amount of HIV positives and i'm willing to bet neither do you...

i do hang around alot in cyberspace... i don't consider you an alien, i consider you a [challenged person].

... what kind of points are we talking here?
 
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Amazinggrace said:
Fact is Japan doesnt have the drug problem it does back home with heroin etc using needles. This is a big problem with AIDS. And then there are GAYS. Sure Japan has gays too but they are mostly in the closet. You may see an increase in the Gay community....perhaps. But not on a wide spectrum.You see AIDS is not a hetorosexual problem. However Japan does have a HUGE problem with STD`s such as Clymidia etc etc. Japanese hetorosexual couples also are not big fans of anal sex......which is the danger when it comes to AIDS.
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Yes, needles may be faster, and Japan might have smaller numbers overall, but it is the sneak attack that people think is coming from a lack of education and a false belief that AIDs is a gay problem, a drug problem, and a foreign problem. Experts predict that the Japanese AIDs problem will come form young, heterosexual Japanese.

From the BBC "Teenagers these days are very casual about sex. They're happy to have sex with anyone they meet - they use phrases like 'let's play together?'

"I [gynaecologist Dr Tsuneo Akaeda] gave away vouchers for free STD tests to girls, and found that 82% them were infected. It's incredible. I suspect a lot of them may have HIV as well."

82%!!! Even if a fraction of that group has HIV, is it a good sign a society is allowing that rate of infection (granted the sample population is a high-risk category, but still think about that...)? STDs are not like a common cold folks, most stay with you the rest of your life and some are very long, slow, horrible deaths.

And more on-topic for this thread...
BBC articleIn Japan, sex has become a freely-traded commodity, seemingly unconstrained by moral concerns.[emphasis added] Dozens of pornographic cable TV channels on sale here, and yet sales of condoms have been falling for several years.

I would encourage you to read the full artice here.

On top of that problem you get the government cutting funding for AIDs programs. I guess they think young people are just going to stop having sex.

An UPI articleThe substantial reduction was made in programs to raise public awareness of the disease and to encourage people to get tested for HIV.

Japan is one of few developed nations facing an upward trend in numbers of AIDS cases; the numbers of AIDS patients and those infected with HIV more than doubled, from 446 in 1995 to 976 in 2003.

The Chiba prefectural government made a 90 percent cut, the biggest among the prefectures surveyed, by stopping free HIV testing for pregnant women. Nagoya prefecture cut the number of staff offering such tests.

Yes, the numbers are small, but the % of increase is very alarming - that and Japan seems to be one of a few developed nations facing an increase. On top of that your population is having multiple sexual partners and your infection rate it is not a simple doubling of cases every 8 years, but a brutal exponential curve.
 
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Dude... Amazinggrace... [a longer expression to relay the speakers confusion at a person or thing]..?

I bet you are here just cus [of other circumstances]
 
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yikes, that's bad. I wish everyone would start using condoms and clean needles.
 
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where did all my personal attacks and degrading remarks go? :auch:
i put alot of work into them!

heh.. there was alot of stuff to clean up, huh? :relief:
 
I found an excerpt from and aids site that i think Amazing grace should read.

Among First to Recognize Teen HIV/AIDS Epidemic


Dr. John Chittick was among the first experts to predict this youth HIV/AIDS epidemic: (Adolescents and AIDS: The Third Wave, Harvard University, 1994). When presenting his documented research at the 1994 World AIDS Conference in Yokohama, Japan, many skeptics did not believe that heterosexually-oriented teens would or could ever be at major risk for HIV. Yet by late 1998, the United Nations umbrella group (UNAIDS, Geneva), announced the startling news that youth AIDS in heterosexual teens was a confirmed reality. Half (50%) of all new cases of HIV globally are occurring in young people 15 to 24 years-old. In the USA, 25% of all new cases are occurring among teens, 13 to 19 years (CDC, Atlanta).

An internationally recognized expert on teen HIV, Dr. Chittick is asked to write official reports for UNAIDS detailing growth of the epidemic at the grassroots level. He has lectured at Harvard's School of Public Health, at the invitation of the late Dr. Jonathan Mann, the "father" of AIDS prevention programs worldwide. The news of Dr. Chittick's global efforts have been featured on CNN and FOX TV, BBC World Radio, Reuters and AP news services, and the most popular teen magazine in the U.S., SEVENTEEN, as well as in national and local media in countries worldwide.

P.S.- I am looking for more info.
 
All talk aside Grace if you think that the only likely hood of you getting it is by the ways you described above I really want you to go get checked out these are just kind words comming from a careing stranger take them as that but I really think you are at risk so please do yourself a favor and get checked out. And please educate yourself learn all you can before making posts like the ones you did above you will be suprised on just how much more likley you are to get it than you think. I had a really close friend she was diagnosed with the AIDS virus she got it through heterosexual contact she felt that her parents were ashamed of her so she killed herself. She was my best friend and now she is no longer here beacuse she was uneducated and she didnt know her partner as well as she thought she did. I dont want to have the same thing happening to anyone here so if you think you are at risk or even have the smallest thought that you might be please go get yourself checked out. For the peace of mind if nothing else. Sorry i didn't mean to get all emotional I hope its ok that I did.
 
So much work for Mandylion! Poor guy! We should all give him some good reputation for that!

Amazinggrace said:
the west, asia...africa they are all different countries with different attitudes to sex with also different ideas on how sex should be performed. You may not be aware but in Africa anal sex is just as common as vaginal if not even more because they are concerned about getting pregnant. So this is the same gay sex. it is anal sex. Risk wise I mean.

"Err, why should be transmission so much easier from m>f than from f>m? "

I havent got time. I am already trying to teach my dog tricks. full up sorry.
go read up on the internet.
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Had fun with your dog? I hope, you took the necessary precautions. :p
OK, I did some research online. Guess, what I found. You're wrong. Not dead wrong, but still wrong. Here are the numbers:

TYPE OF CONTACT/PARTNER INFECTION PROBABILITY PER CONTACT
Unprotected receptive anal intercourse with partner of unknown HIV serostatus ___0,27 % (0,06 - 0,49)*
Unprotected penetrative anal intercourse with partner of unknown HIV serostatus ___0,06 % (0,02 - 0,19)*
Unprotected receptive vaginal intercourse___0,05 - 0,15 % #
Unprotected penetrative vaginal intercourse___0,03 - 5,6 % #

Found it here (Sorry, only German).

As you can see the range for penetrative vaginal intercourse reach highest (in this study even exceeding unprotected anal intercourse with known HIV carriers: 0,82 % (0,24 - 2,76)). Not really supportive of your idea of anal intercourse being more dangerous than vaginal i., nor of your idea that girls get it easier from boys than vice versa. Of course, if you take only the smallest numbers of range in either category, you are right.

I didn't find any sources on the prevalence of anal intercourse in Japan or (parts of) Africa. Do you by any chance have some?


BTW, just having an opener attitude towards sex than you doesn't make girls "whores".



TwistedMac said:
i'm sorry bossel.. i just cant fukkin do it.. i can't fukkin put any work into giving this [ ] a serious well thought out answer... time to make the eagle scream and draw the longbow
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Maybe my approach is wrong. I consider holding the longbow for you. :bow:
 
Just a short note from me - people have a lot to say but it must be done politely or in a self-effacing way when it comes to issues that can provoke such emotions. Everyone, and I mean everyone, has a right to bring up points and defend their views, but when this is coupled with barbed comments and mud-slinging people miss the information for the anger. Staying away from harsh words and treating others with respect is not only good sense, it is also Forum Policy.

If something gets you upset, take a second, calm down, and remember, all your rage is being aimed towards a bunch of ones and zeros.

-I now return you to your thread, much as you left it...
 
bossel said:
So much work for Mandylion! Poor guy! We should all give him some good reputation for that!


Had fun with your dog? I hope, you took the necessary precautions. :p
OK, I did some research online. Guess, what I found. You're wrong. Not dead wrong, but still wrong. Here are the numbers:

TYPE OF CONTACT/PARTNER INFECTION PROBABILITY PER CONTACT
Unprotected receptive anal intercourse with partner of unknown HIV serostatus ___0,27 % (0,06 - 0,49)*
Unprotected penetrative anal intercourse with partner of unknown HIV serostatus ___0,06 % (0,02 - 0,19)*
Unprotected receptive vaginal intercourse___0,05 - 0,15 % #
Unprotected penetrative vaginal intercourse___0,03 - 5,6 % #

Found it here (Sorry, only German).

As you can see the range for penetrative vaginal intercourse reach highest (in this study even exceeding unprotected anal intercourse with known HIV carriers: 0,82 % (0,24 - 2,76)). Not really supportive of your idea of anal intercourse being more dangerous than vaginal i., nor of your idea that girls get it easier from boys than vice versa. Of course, if you take only the smallest numbers of range in either category, you are right.

I didn't find any sources on the prevalence of anal intercourse in Japan or (parts of) Africa. Do you by any chance have some?


BTW, just having an opener attitude towards sex than you doesn't make girls "whores".




Maybe my approach is wrong. I consider holding the longbow for you. :bow:
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seriously I wonder how old some of you people are. Sure it is easy to pass on HIV from a guy to a girl via vaginal sex. BUT if the girl has HIV and has sex with a guy (no anal dont forget children....) it is difficult for the guy to contract this disease. "THUS" and I mean "THUS" making it hard to travel through the Heterosexual community. Blah blah blah there you go!!
I have noticed in all the studies you have pulled from the internet you conveniently leave out this fact. Sure a guy can give it to a gal. sure a guy can give it to a guy etc etc BUT it is difficult for a girl to give it to a guy taking in consideration their sex play does not include anal sex. This is a FACT. Again this is why it does not travel through the heterosexual community so easily.
just admit when you are wrong.
see how I have not presented a study. dont need to. cause this is a known fact. its like me having to present a study to prove that if you put a DBL barrel shotgun in your mouth and pull the trigger you will blow your head off and then die from your injury.
now if you want me to get a study on these facts let me know and when I have a bit of time I will.
btw yes I do have a close friend who is a Dr. in Japan, in fact his father is/was a Dr. and from what I hear pretty famous in Japan. No that it is hard to have a friend who is a Dr. or an actor or a singer or whatever......that is not my point. I get my info from him.....and the net.

oh and with regards to calling J girls "whores" I would like to retract this. It was wrong for me to have said this. As this would be offensive to J girls who are not "whores". However I will say and will always say a great % of the J girl population is very loose. Sure it is their attitude towards sex and the society. But I have been told that Japanese women had good morals 40+ years ago. So I guess it is because of certain European influence and certain aspect within the society that creates the modern day "naughty" J girl.
 
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