Kosovo minorities are possibly largely of Albanian origin Y-DNA study finds

[Archetype0ne]

The territory of Kosovo was under Brankovic at that time and its how the turks named the given drefter. You can google it, but i think you already know. What kind of logical fallacy is that exactly ? All settlements under Brankovic were recorded including the few albanian names you find here and there.

Actually the territory was even raided by Skenderbeg as Brankovic was an ottoman vassal Looks like he raided Albanians.

Glad you know about the Skenderbeg raids, since many of your countrymen think that Skenderbeg was Djurad, hope you also know the reason why, since many of your countrymen also think you were the bulwark of Christianly.

The fallacy is that asking why there are little Albanian names recorded in the 1455 defter is like asking why there were little Serbian names in Kosovo during the great migration of the Serbs to the Pannonian plain in 1690. The answer is likely the same.

 

[boriss]

Glad you know about the Skenderbeg raids, since many of your countrymen think that Skenderbeg was Djurad, hope you also know the reason why, since many of your countrymen also think you were the bulwark of Christianly.

The fallacy is that asking why there are little Albanian names recorded in the 1455 defter is like asking why there were little Serbian names in Kosovo during the great migration of the Serbs to the Pannonian plain in 1690. The answer is likely the same.

I’ve never insinuated anything about Skenderbeg’s ethnicity. But in the same way since they like throwing around names certain guys should what he read what he was doing in 1439 according to Oliver Schmit.

Whole point started when certain posters tried to insinuate Albanian majority trough the whole period.

Its some sort of nationalistic propaganda that’s quite common in academic circles among certain historians too that are narrative driven - even Noel Malcom.

Serbs and generally South Slavs are considered “bulwark” due to the Balkan Wars and many rebellions previously. Similarly to how Ferid Pasha and the Sultan considered muslim Albanians as his own bulwark.

 

[epirus1000]

Yes but stick to the facts Albanian names are quite small minority in the Kosovo drefters. And nicknames, titles, occupations are exclusively in Slavic(Siromah, Sirak, Pop, Kovach, Brato ect ect).

Dino similarly like all other linguists and osmanologs inferred which language would be spoken in the village on the basis on the language used for their nicknames, relations, occupations as you can double check many of his posts.

This all seems ignored by Albanian posters on this thread and the other few spam thread. 0 objectivity.

And even more crazy is the fact that a village/region becomes “Albanian” when 2 out of 90 names are Albanian. Or trough Has border region indicate that Prishtina, Prizren ect were Albanian. I have no trouble admitting Albanian presence and names anywhere where it pops out, but it's quite obvious in the case of Kosovo they've become majority much later.


Also the same accounts look to be faking the records and making up Albanian names and adding them or their source is maybe corrupted ?
For example @monster - Monster/Tanjush and his Appricity account - Brave mention 50 Albanian names for Ljubizhde in the 1571 census.

Kosova 1571 Ottoman register

The Ottoman register of Kosova from the year 1571 that covers the Has region in Kosova (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Has_(region) ) and the area between Gjakova and Prizren and the Opoja region (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opolje) , it was inhabited by an Albanian population with majority...

www.eupedia.com

When it's actually All Slavic Names and nicknames.

• Ivan Hrana; Nikola Jovan; Dimitar Pejčin; Hrana Brajan; Dimitar Pejo; Jakov Pejo; Dabizhiv Pejo; Nikola Katanchić; Jovan Dejko; Nenko Jovan; Nikola Jovan; Stojko Goga; Mihailo Dimitar; Jovan Dimitar; Dabizhiv Dimitar; Damjan Dimitar; Dimitar Oliver; Nikola Dimitar; Raja Miladin; Dabizhiv Pejo; Stepan Nikola; Dabo Vujo; baština Rajadži je Dabo Vujo; Cvetko Jovan; Pejo Pribоje; Toma Jolac; Petar Toma; Bogdan Vlah; Stojko Koman; Radojna Jakov; Jakov Radojna; Boško Nikola; Pejo Nikola; Mladen Stojko; Đura Stojko; Dimitar Stojko; Lazar Stepan; Nikola Stepan; Jovan Petko; Rajko Jovan; Petar Jovan; Stanisav Božić; Dimitar Božić; Nikola Pržilo; Dane Pržilo; Stanisav Pržilo; Nenko Pržilo; Đura Petko; Stojko Dimitar; Stojko Brajan; Stanisav Stojko; Dabizhiv Pejo; Dimjo Dabizhiv; Dimitar Rajko; Đura Dimitar; Damjan Nikola; Jovan Dabizhiv; Dimitar pop; baština Prvulo pop drži je Dimitar pop; baština Jovan drži je Nikola Siromah;
• Mihailo Stachić; Petar Nikola; Jovan Siromah; Đuro Dobrosav; Stanisav Đuro; Jovan Dabizhiv; Marko Jovan; Pejo Jovan; Stojko Mladen; Đuro Dimitar; Lazar Đuro; Nina Mihail; Dabizhiv Nikola; Lazar Nikola; Nikola Lazar; Todor Mihailo; Niko Nikolin; Dimitar Niko; Boško Simeun; Stojko Simeun; Mladen Stojko; Jovan Kovač; Petar Jovan; Marko Jovan; Stojko Dimitar; Stojko Pejan; Pejo Stojko; drugi Pejo Stojko; Stojko Todor; Dimitar Lalović; Jakov Nikola; Dimitar Jovan; Nikola Dimitar; baština Jovan Marko držao je Niko a sada Dimitar Niko; baština David držao je Dursun Hodža a sada stanovnici mahale; baština Boško drži je Simeun; baština Benko drže je žitelji sela; baština Nikola drže je stanovnici rečene mahale; baština Jovan drži je Stojko Dimitar; baština Jovan drži je Jovan Kovač; baština Milić držao je Jusuf a sada stanovnici rečene mahale; Jusuf Abdulah čift.
• Lazar Petar; Ostoјko Oliver; Jovan Jovan; Jovan Božić; Božić Novak; Miloš doselac; Bogdan doselac; Radisav Bogica; Rade Simeun; Dabo Nikola; Stepan Bojo; Stepan Pejo; Dimitar Đuro; Cvetko Nikola; Stojko Nikola; Stojko Pejo; Jakov Pejo; Mihailo Jakov; Ruja Mihailo; Ostoјko Voja doselac; Nikola Jovan; Đuro Nikola doselac; Jovan Pejčin; Daba Mileta; Jovan Mileta; Nikola Radisav; Bogica Nikola; Cvetko Vukašin; Jovan Niko; baština Dimitar drži je Dimitar Đuro; baština Petruša drže je stanovnici sela; baština Kralj držao je Jovan a sada Pejčin Jovan; baština Radisav držao je Rade a sada Rade Simeun; baština Radić drže je žitelji sela; baština Đurko drži je Mihajl Jakov; baština u rukama Ibrahima b. Husejina, čift; baština u rukama Kasima b. Husejina; udovica Stana; udovica Petruša; udovica Jovana; druga udovica Stana.

Yes, and similarly there are many villages/areas of Northern Greece which had majority of Slavic names in the same period. Can you say they are Slavic areas now?

 

[Hawk]

Proto Albanian (Thraco illyrian?) -
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Roman anatolian Albanian -
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Central/eastern European/Slavic Albanian -
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Ottoman Albanian (very rare case) or maybe another Roman anatolian or Sarmatian? -
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Why don't you stop being so childish in your posts all over again.

The first guy looks Paleo-Balkan for sure, but doesn't mean that he is representative to how general people look like, especially considering he looks skinny. I could easily post Thracian-Roman emperor Maximinus Thrax who was 2.4 meters tall and blatantly say that's how the general population looks like, yet the true is that he had acromegaly.

The Roman Anatolian one looks more like strictly Eastern Anatolian/Kurdish vibe, Western Anatolians have more of a general Mediterranean vibe.

Also the guy posted like Central/eastern European/Slavic Albanian doesn't have a Slavic vibe, looks more so like a Balkano-Germanic vibe, the last guy looks more Eastern European-like.

 

[TaktikatEMalet]

Why don't you stop being so childish in your posts all over again.

The first guy looks Paleo-Balkan for sure, but doesn't mean that he is representative to how general people look like, especially considering he looks skinny. I could easily post Thracian-Roman emperor Maximinus Thrax who was 2.4 meters tall and blatantly say that's how the general population looks like, yet the true is that he had acromegaly.

The Roman Anatolian one looks more like strictly Eastern Anatolian/Kurdish vibe, Western Anatolians have more of a general Mediterranean vibe.

Also the guy posted like Central/eastern European/Slavic Albanian doesn't have a Slavic vibe, looks more so like a Balkano-Germanic vibe, the last guy looks more Eastern European-like.

Looks like we have found another troll guys, apparently the last guy looks eastern European according to this deluded troll. Balkano-germanic "vibe" is insignificant, they didn't leave a big enough impact - look at the Albanian PCA. The 3rd guy comes from Leskovik, Korce which has had a lot of Slavic input, there are a lot of South Albanians with similar look.

Point being you should dislike the Romans and especially Ottoman much more than Slavs, Slavs did one good thing and that is made Albanian population better looking after the Roman anatolian input

Btw the Romans were 165cm-170cm tall on average as were most Europeans at the time

 

[boriss]

Yes, and similarly there are many villages/areas of Northern Greece which had majority of Slavic names in the same period. Can you say they are Slavic areas now?

They arent but thats another subject.

But If any Greek poster specifically claims that a given village that had its population replaced in 1921 or before was always settled by the same population I’d pitch in.

 

[Hawk]

Looks like we have found another troll guys, apparently the last guy looks eastern European according to this deluded troll. Balkano-germanic "vibe" is insignificant, they didn't leave a big enough impact - look at the Albanian PCA. The 3rd guy comes from Leskovik, Korce which has had a lot of Slavic input, there are a lot of South Albanians with similar look.

Point being you should dislike the Romans and especially Ottoman much more than Slavs, Slavs did one good thing and that is made Albanian population better looking after the Roman anatolian input

Btw the Romans were 165cm-170cm tall on average as were most Europeans at the time

Yeah yeah tiktok. You made us taller and more handsome. Thank you mate, we owe you a lot.

 

[TaktikatEMalet]

Yeah yeah tiktok. You made us taller and more handsome. Thank you mate, we owe you a lot.

No worries, you don't owe me anything - just need to stop insulting Albanians with ydna i2, i1 etc

 

[Hawk]

No worries, you don't owe me anything - just need to stop insulting Albanians with ydna i2, i1 etc

I cannot seem to recall our discussion starting with me insulting Albanians with ydna I2, I1.