Kosovo minorities are possibly largely of Albanian origin Y-DNA study finds

[TaktikatEMalet]

Completely opposite actually, the Albanian population in Kosovo/Dardania was far more numerous than in Macedonia which is also what these registers indicate , Albanians were also mentioned there by the Serbs and in the Morava Valley and in the towns and in the area of Prizren, Gjakova etc. There are also obvious arguments based on placenames, the Albanian population in Kosovo and in the Plains of Dukagjin, Has , Prizren etc preceded the Serbs. Albanians were mentioned there since Serb rule. The Ottoman registers give us a better look.

You have no evidence for the things you claim, they are nothing but theories you pulled out of your ass and you are known to be a guy that invents theories and your opinion is irrelevant and makes some of the things you claim impossible. However there was also an Albanian population in Macedonia. Battle of 1389; there are poems about the battle in Albanian which have been preserved, support was also from Albanians in Kosovo.

I am basing it on historical battles and claims, south west Macedonia was Albanian in 1300s, it was after ottoman conquest in the region that these Albanians would have fled to Albania -

"After the death of Stefan Dušan in 1355 and the collapse of the short-lived Serbian Empire, Andrea II regained control over parts of south-eastern modern-day Albania and significantly expanded the principality. In the late 1360's, Andrea II was engaged in a conflict over the southwestern provinces of Macedonia (including Kastoria) against Vukašin Mrnjavčević, the King of Serbia. Both rulers had claims to inherit these regions after the death of Simeon Uroš; Vukašin had claimed it as the co-ruler of Stefan Uroš V, whereas Andrea II claimed it on the grounds that the border between Albanian and Bulgaria lied at the Pelister mountain, specifically the Dobrida spring. Vukašin gathered an army and marched towards Muzaka's territory, prompting Andrea to gather an army of his own and confront the king at Pelister in 1369. The battle at Pelister ended with the victory of Andrea II, and Vukašin himself was taken prisoner. As a result of this battle, the Byzantine Emperor John V Palaiologos presented Andrea II with the imperial emblem, and granted him the title of "despot of Epirus".[9][10][11] In this occasion, Andrea II Muzaka adopted as his new coat of arms, the double-headed eagle under a star as a replacement for the traditional coat of arms of the Muzaka, which was a water spring that erupted from the ground and split in two."

Gjergj Kastrioti also had a couple of battles deep into Macedonia, here is one -

Battle of Mokra (1445) - Wikipedia

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Skanderbeg's Macedonian campaign - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[monster]

Stop inventing theories buddy, Kosovo certainly wasn't Serb and the Albanian population in Kosovo/Dardania was more numerous than in Macedonia. One can just look at these registers to see these or even 14th century sources. There is certainly no evidence Serbs moved north. In fact they moved in during the Ottoman period. Y Even in the town of Novobrdo and Janjevo in Kosovo the Albanian population preceded the Ottoman occupation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novo_Brdo , same thing in Prizren, Has, Gjakova, Toplica etc

Ragusan documents attest to the presence of a significant number of Albanians living in Novo Brdo throughout the 14th and early 15th centuries, including members of the Catholic Albanian clergy with names such as Gjergjash and Gjinko, Gjini, son of Gjergji, the presbyter (1382); the reverend Gjergj Gega, Nikollë Tanushi, Gjergj Andrea Pellini and Nikolla Progonovic. In the book of debtors belonging to Ragusan merchant Mihail Lukarevic, who resided in Novo Brdo during the 1430s, 150 Albanian household heads were mentioned as living in Novo Brdo with their families. They worked as miners, artisans and specialists in the mines of Novo Brdo. The anthroponomy of these figures is characteristically Albanian; distinctive Albanian names such as Gjon, Gjin, Tanush, Progon, Lek, Gjergj and Bibë are mentioned. Some families had a mixed Slav-Albanian anthroponomy - that is to say, a Slavic first name and an Albanian last name, or last names with Albanian patronyms and Slavic suffixes such as Gjonoviç, Gjinoviq, Progonoviq, Bushatoviq, Dodishiq, Kondiq, Lekiq and other such names. Many Albanian Catholic priests were registered as residing in Novo Brdo, as well as in towns like Janjevo, Trepça, Prizren and others.[4]

In the Ottoman Defter of 1591, the city of Novo Brdo itself was recorded within the Sanjak of Viçitrina - this defter included the household heads of the city. The city consisted of several Muslim neighbourhoods (Mahalla/Mëhalla); they were Xhamia Sherif (Sherif Mosque, 26 households), Kasap (11 households), Hamam (21 households), Darbbane (40 households) and Mehmed Çelebi (5 households). There was also 6 Jewish households, including 1 that hailed from Catalonia and 1 that hailed from Castille. Of the Christian neighbourhoods (Mahalla/Mëhalla), the following had inhabitants of mixed Albanian-Slavic/Orthodox anthroponomy: Sokraja (15 households), Pop Simoni (12 households), Çarshi (13) and Himandin (9). Slavic/Orthodox anthroponomy predominated in the following neighbourhoods:Sveti Petra (19 households), Sveti Nika (9 households), Marko Kërsti (26 households), Filip (9 households), Pop Krilovina (10 households), Kallogjer Gligorija (6 households), Kovaç Radosavi (16 households), Shagliçiq (8 households), Shuster (14 households) and Vuka Mrkshiq (8 households). Characteristic Albanian anthroponomy predominated in the following neighbourhoods: Protopop (9 households), Izllatar (9 households), Pop Grobani (Grubani) (5 households), Pop Bozha (4 households) and Kuriçka (13 households).[8]

One couldn't of changed the demographics of Kosovo to look like the one in the 16th century even if one had moved the entire population of Northern Albania during those periods.

Nice try though.

 

[TaktikatEMalet]

Stop inventing theories buddy, Kosovo certainly wasn't Serb and the Albanian population in Kosovo/Dardania was more numerous than in Macedonia. One can just look at these registers to see these or even 14th century sources. There is certainly no evidence Serbs moved north. In fact they moved in during the Ottoman period. Y Even in the town of Novobrdo and Janjevo in Kosovo the Albanian population preceded the Ottoman occupation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novo_Brdo , same thing in Prizren, Has, Gjakova, Toplica etc





One couldn't of changed the demographics of Kosovo to look like the one in the 16th century even if one had moved the entire population of Northern Albania during those periods.

Nice try though.

Would you say something like this was majority Albanian in 15th century? Rest of Macedonia was part of Bulgaria except maybe for a bit in north west being Serbian

 

[monster]

There wa a second battle of Kosovo 1448 , the territory was held by the Serbian despotate until the 15th century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kosovo_(1448) , we got also registers from that time period 1452 and 1485 . Youre some kid from Albania who tries to deny the continuity of the Albanian population in Kosova. I have even seen posts where you even try to argue the Albanian language originated in the south of Albania. Your opinion is irrelevant. Go take your medications and stop inventing theories, kid. No, this territory was certainly never Serb, nice try though. Majority of the people who moved into Kosovo in the 15th-16th century bore Serbian names. And not Albanian.

Prizren:

The village Gjonaj is first mentioned in 1348 in the chrysobull of Serbian Emperor Stefan Dušan, along with eight other Catholic Albanian villages in the Prizren area, such as: 'Gjinoc, Magjerci, Bjelloglavci, Flokovci, Crnca, Caparc, Shpenadi, Novaci.[5][6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gjonaj,_Prizren

Mazrek, Prizren - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Zym - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

like I said kiddo, stop inventing theories. Stick to the things you know.

 

[TaktikatEMalet]

I'm not inventing anything, I am reading what some "historians" have written. Would you say these people kidnapped by ottoman were Albanians instead of Serbs? -

"Novo Brdo was the last Serbian town to remain standing during the first Ottoman invasion. In 1439 the capital of Smederevo fell and Serbia resisted until finally Novo Brdo fell in 1441. Novo Brdo was by treaty restored to the Serbs in 1443. The fortress (named in Turkish Nobırda) came under siege for forty days by the Ottomans, before capitulating and becoming occupied by the Ottomans on 1 June 1455. This event is described by Konstantin Mihailović from Ostrovica near Novo Brdo, who was taken by the Ottomans along with some 300 other boys to be trained as Janissaries. All of the higher ranking Serbian officials were executed after the castle fell, with the younger men and boys being taken captive to serve in the Ottoman Army, and some 700 young Serbian women and girls being taken to be wives to Ottoman commanders. When the city fell to the Ottomans, it had an estimated population of about 40,000 people."


Regarding the language, nobody knows where it emerged exactly as there are no early written records. However the Albanian flag is likely from Byzantine double headed eagle and maybe was first adopted by Andrea Muzaka -

Andrea II Muzaka - Wikipedia

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His wife was from Gora which is a good sign that at least south west Kosovo was Albanian in 14th century -
"Andrea II married Lady Euphemia Matranga (Albanian: Efimia Matrënga) also called: Eythvmia, Etinia or Onorata; who was the daughter of Paul Matranga, the Albanian Lord of Gora."

 

[monster]

Hard to exactly know the percentage of Albanians in Kosove compared to Macedonia since Albanians also bore Slavic names but they are part of the territory of the Dardani where an Albanian population was certainly located in both since at least the medieval period , including the area of Nish - Presheva , inventing some theory how there were no Albanians there in Kosove but only in Macedonia is cringe at best when it's not even supported by any kind of evidence. That's why I asked you to stick to the things you know. The town of Kircevo in Macedonia had an Albanian population too in the 15th-16th century, I have looked at the names and they bore Slavic and Albanian names .

In the 1467-1468 Ottoman defter[a], Kičevo was divided into two mahallas (neighbourhoods): The Mahale-i Arnavut (Albanian neighbourhood),[8] where the heads of families appear with symbiotic Albanian-Christian-Slavic anthroponomy and the overwhelming majority of the population appeared to be of Albanian origin, and the Serbian mahala, where some Albanian names also appear, in conjunction with a majority of Slavic ones.[7]

Kičevo - Wikipedia

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The wiki claims it is from the 15th century but I believe it was also from the 16th century.

 

[mount123]

Lots of back and forth on nearly three entire pages. People can agree to disagree or ignore provacative passive aggressive posts of zero academic value. To get back to what Gjergj Bojaxhiu actually says (more or less) and which is in line with Albanian uniparental distribution:

1st block: Dardanians (mainly V13, Z2103>BY611, I think he mentions somewhere PF7562>PF7563>PF7566 and some L283 clades too) who migrated early during the collapse of the Roman empire to especially northern and western and after that backmigrated in the medieval era to former Dardanian territory (, Nish, Shkup, Tregishtë, Tregu i Ri etc.)

2nd block: Dardanians who stayed in Dardania who belong to uniparental clusters that did not partake in a migration towards northern and western

3rd block: Illyrians of Mati-Dibër (he especially mentions J2b-L283>PH4679 folks) with whom the 1st and 2nd Dardanian block merged later on

4th block: similar to 3rd block represented by non-Dardanian Paleo-Balkan clusters with whom the Dardanian blocks merged

And the end result being all of the 4 blocks merging together. I tried to summarize his words in a very simplistic way.

Exact aDNA distribution for some of these clades will be seen in upcoming studies, until then this model seems totally plausible.

 

[epirus1000]

There is a smart Greek guy on Facebook of Aromanian descent who has a linguistic background (both fluent in Albanian and western Bulgarian ) and decodes medieval Ottoman pop registers. His focus is mostly on mainland Greece but a lot of Albanian names and toponyms that you see in and Serbia during the medieval era also consistently pop up there. I'd suggest you leave such matters to unbiased linguists. @PaleoRevenge linked his FB site in the To burn or not to burn Balkan Bronze age thread.

Laughs in Mehmed-Paša Sokolović or that Ottoman hooker Mara Branković

The interesting thing is that there are so many same Albanian names being present in Thessaly and Kosova at the same time. I used Dino's names to go on both samples and to see the names that are the core of all-Albanian names of the 15-16th centuries.

 

[epirus1000]

I personally think north west Macedonia and maybe most of west Macedonia was inhabited by Albanians but most of Kosovo wasn't 600 years ago. We see with the battle of Kosovo in 1389 that majority of the army was Serbian and most of the Albanian support was from Berat (Theodor Muzaka).

What then happened north part of Kosovo was emptied, the Serbs fled further north. Over the next few centuries Albanians moved in from north Albania and Macedonia, some fleeing Ottoman rule hoping to find land without too many mosques - I think Albanians in Macedonia also fled west to Albania initially

This is not what you think!
The core of Albanians is the area Mat-Nish-Shtip, and the center of course is Kosova. Albanians moved to the South reaching Athens and Peloponnesus. There was never a moment in which Kosova was emptied, nevertheless the whole mountainous areas of Albanian Alps and Sharr Mountains were a perfect place to stay in cases of hardship, when enemies were being more aggressive than before.

 

[boriss]

The interesting thing is that there are so many same Albanian names being present in Thessaly and Kosova at the same time. I used Dino's names to go on both samples and to see the names that are the core of all-Albanian names of the 15-16th centuries.

1. You can't mark whole village as Albanian on the basis of few names out of 20.
2. As Dino points out (Picture 1) beyond just the names, the nicknames (Siromah, Sirak, Brato, Kovach) were not translated(as Monster and Tanjush were kind enough to provide) and would indicate the speaking language in the village.
3. I can cherry pick clusters among other heterogeneous groups to project a claim in India.
Viminacium finding points even more to the Daco-Moesian/Besi theory. It's important to mark the group that carried the language.

This thread and the other one are quite disengenous https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/kosova-1452-1480-ottoman-register.44471/page-2#post-676961

 

[monster]

If we look at these registers from the 15th-16th century (and even sources earlier) there was an Albanian population spread out in the entire territory of what was 'Dardania' , a picture below of Dardania:

Spoiler

There were also Albanians in the Presheva Valley, Toplica and the Nish area and in Macedonia. One can even see this by the placenames that the Toplica area has had an Albanian population before the Ottoman period.

Talking about Kosovo, you can't just look at the settlements in Kosovo itself but you have to include entire Dardania. There were Albanians in Western Kosovo but also East. Once we start seeing this + some of these linguistic research it's getting obvious who lived here first. You're some Slavic tribe that came here and invaded and colonized these areas and now larp as the original inhabitants like these Serbs do . These 16th century registers show an Albanian population in the entire territory of the Dardani. When the Serbs expanded into the Morava - Presheva Valley in the 12th-13th century or so, they came across an Albanian population.


I have opened up threads about some topics about these registers and some historical topics, I am done for now and am not gonna waste my time with this. This is some pretty sick shit. Your historical claims on these territories is what is weird . Even more funny, all these South Slavic - Serbo - Bulgarod hypernationalists with Slavic Y-DNA that trace their origin to Poland are funny , I2a1b + R1a Slavs that now claim to be the original inhabitants of the Balkans. Just look at all these Serbian hypernationalists even on Apecity, they literally almost all test for Slavic Y-DNA. And even good chunk of those ''Macedonians'' . And their obession with Albanians are funny. And they are not even Slavs from Kosovo.


This is the same thing that even some Albanian and non-Albanian historians argued and I quote:

Among other factors, the ancient toponomastic data, such as the contemporary names of places used by Slavs, which are explainable only through the phonetic rules of the ancient Albanian language, has convinced scientists that these territories were inhabited by Albanians. Distinguished linguists such as Norbert Jokl, Gustav Weygand, and Petrovici, and even some Yugoslav scholars like Henrik Baric and others, have argued that it was precisely the Dardania, defined as an enclave by the use of the ancient names such as Nish, Shkup, Shtip that was one of the centers of the formation of the Albanian people.

Although sometimes he tends to overestimate the role played by the Roman-Romanian population in the Balkans, Petrovici has affirmed that “the population found by the Slavs in the Eastern region of contemporary Serbia was not Romanized.” One of the arguments brought by Petrovici to support his theory are the contemporary names of the cities mentioned above. Linguists like Van Wejk have concluded that according to the toponymical arguments, the separation of the Serbs and Bulgarians from a non-Slavic population in the early Middle Ages, could be explained only with the presence of the Albanian population in these areas. According to him, the presence of a population which had Romanic origins belonged to a later phase of the Slav expansion. Some of these scholars, particularly Henrik Baric, have convincingly demonstrated this through the study of the ancient and medieval onomastic of the Dardania.

Taken from Pulaha. Borders is what every country needs. Strict border controls.

 

[monster]

And to go a little bit off topic here, regarding the so called ''Great Fairytale migration of the Serbs from Kosovo 1690'' , it's an invented fairytale:

Given the facts we have considered, the claim that Kosovo was emptied of its Serb population would seem plausible only if that population had been remarkably small in the first place, or geographically limited to villages in the area between Trepca, Vushtrri and Prishtina. Serb historiography is reluctant—rightly—to endorse either of those views

This essay examines both the historical facts concerning the migration of Serbs from Kosovo in 1690, and the claims made about that migration by subsequent historians—claims which, at their most extreme, suggested that hundreds of thousands of Serbs departed, with huge effects on the ethnic composition of the region. This essay demonstrates that there was no large-scale organized exodus of Serbs under the Serbian Orthodox Patriarch, Arsenije Crnojević: his departure from Kosovo in early 1690 was extremely hasty, and he had not, in any case, been leading organized resistance to the Ottomans. A large number of Serbs did move with the Patriarch to Hungarian territory later in that year; he himself gave their numbers as 30,000 or 40,000. But they had gathered, from many areas, in the Belgrade region, and only a small proportion were from Kosovo itself. One unsupported claim was made many years later, by a Serbian monk, that the Patriarch had brought 37,000 families to Hungary; and in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries many Serb writers interpreted that figure maximally, while also assuming that all those people had come from Kosovo. This essay analyses the ideological influences (operating primarily on Serbs within the Habsburg territories in the nineteenth century) that helped to shape that interpretation; it also criticizes excessive claims made by modern Albanian and Turkish historians.

The ‘Great Migration’ of the Serbs from Kosovo (1690): History, Myth and Ideology

Abstract. This essay examines both the historical facts concerning the migration of Serbs from Kosovo in 1690, and the claims made about that migration by subse

academic.oup.com

Not only is it an invented fairytale that is not supported by the demographics of that time but the guy they supposedly claim led a revolt never even did, he ran away , it was the Albanian Catholic Pjeter Bogdani that led the revolt together with the Albanian Toma Raspasani.



I am not gonna waste my time anymore. I got other things to do and enjoy life until the day comes when you suckers try to invade us and I have to pick up weapons and shoot some Bulgaroids or Chetniks then I'll be ready.

 

[TaktikatEMalet]

I2a1b were not only the original inhabitants of Poland but most of Europe. They were also part of the most important time in Albanian history (13th - 15th centuries) - Arbereshe had quite a lot of i2a1b (and r1a). They became Albanians 1000+ years before the Serbia Kosovo conflict and because of this medieval Central/Eastern European input Albanians now look more European after what the Romans did to them

Theoretical Computed Paths – Mygrations

phylogeographer.com

Years before present
3300 - 2800
Culture
Urnfield

 

[mount123]

I2a1b were not only the original inhabitants of Poland but most of Europe. They were also part of the most important time in Albanian history (13th - 15th centuries) - Arbereshe had quite a lot of i2a1b (and r1a). They became Albanians 1000+ years before the Serbia Kosovo conflict and because of this medieval Central/Eastern European input Albanians now look more European after what the Romans did to them

Theoretical Computed Paths – Mygrations

phylogeographer.com

Years before present
3300 - 2800
Culture
Urnfield

Pure second hand embarrassment from your usual pseudoscientific crap The standard deviation regarding Slavic patrilineage in all Albanian inhabited subregions is miniscule o trullq. Core Central European Urnfield founding fathers were R1b-U152-L2!

"I2a1b" is an outdated nomenclature and most importantly a macrohaplogroup designation. You belong to Slavic haplogroup I2a-Y3120 (TMRCA 100 BCE ) your clade was brought by a pure Slavic migrant source to Greeks and Albanians. Similar case would be a Syrian migrant having descendants in Germany in the year 2080 for instance. Slavic patrilineage is extremely low in Albanians when one compares it to the big input of e.g. Albanian and "Vlach" E1b-V13 clades and Pan-Albanian R1b-Z2103>BY611>Z2705 in surrounding Slavs. You're 100% Albanian and the majority of your ancestors don't belong to Slavic haplogroups.

Your autosomal WHG ancestry compared to other European ethnicities is miniscule. I-M170 is not the uniparental backbone of WHG ancestry but C1a-Y11591+. Paleolithic prehistory of I-M170 cannot be decoupled from J-M304 just as R-M207 cannot be decoupled from Q-M242. The earliest WHGs belong to C-Y11591+ which are THE founding fathers of the WHGs. I-M170 migrated towards the west when it splitt off its paternal ancestor IJ-M429. The same way R1b-V88 in WHG heavy Mesolithics can ultimately be traced back to an early westward migration of ANE (Ancient North Eurasian) derived EHG folks.

Stop larping more një metër e një zhilet

 

[Archetype0ne]

Just scrolling trough the official registeree of Brankovic Area - Kosovo in 1455 doesn't seem Albanian majority at all lmao. https://dokumen.tips/documents/obla...is-iz-1455-godine-56a17e4a34370.html?page=390.

Found even village called Macedonian that was apparently "near Prishtina".

Few "Bogoslavs and Berislavs" with also slavic nicknames - siromah/poor. The fact that the nicknames are in Slavic tends to show that the village spoke a Slavic language. As in the drefters the nicknames of same meaning would be written in the language that the village spoke.

Name like Bogoslav, Berislavs will go out of "fashion" as the priests will tend to focus more on names stemming from the Bible over Slavic ones.

Not sure how familiar with history you are. But around 1455 Albanians where in full blown revolt against Ottomans under Skenderbeg. Not sure why you think they would be registered subjects under Brankovic, a Serb, Ottoman vassal at the time.

 

[TaktikatEMalet]

Pure second hand embarrassment from your usual pseudoscientific crap The standard deviation regarding Slavic patrilineage in all Albanian inhabited subregions is miniscule o trullq. Core Central European Urnfield founding fathers were R1b-U152-L2!

"I2a1b" is an outdated nomenclature and most importantly a macrohaplogroup designation. You belong to Slavic haplogroup I2a-Y3120 (TMRCA 100 BCE ) your clade was brought by a pure Slavic migrant source to Greeks and Albanians. Similar case would be a Syrian migrant having descendants in Germany in the year 2080 for instance. Slavic patrilineage is extremely low in Albanians when one compares it to the big input of e.g. Albanian and "Vlach" E1b-V13 clades and Pan-Albanian R1b-Z2103>BY611>Z2705 in surrounding Slavs. You're 100% Albanian and the majority of your ancestors don't belong to Slavic haplogroups.

Your autosomal WHG ancestry compared to other European ethnicities is miniscule. I-M170 is not the uniparental backbone of WHG ancestry but C1a-Y11591+. Paleolithic prehistory of I-M170 cannot be decoupled from J-M304 just as R-M207 cannot be decoupled from Q-M242. The earliest WHGs belong to C-Y11591+ which are THE founding fathers of the WHGs. I-M170 migrated towards the west when it splitt off its paternal ancestor IJ-M429. The same way R1b-V88 in WHG heavy Mesolithics can ultimately be traced back to an early westward migration of ANE (Ancient North Eurasian) derived EHG folks.

Stop larping more një metër e një zhilet

Haha crybaby troll, keep ignoring archeological facts that it is mostly i2 that has been found among Urnfielders, even r1a has been found. You can't ignore history as much as you try to deny it, no one cares about your crying.
This link which I already put above shows the journey of I-Y3120 and not only mentions Urnfield but even La Tene because the ancestral lines were present in those regions -

Theoretical Computed Paths – Mygrations

phylogeographer.com

I2 = Born in Europe, C = Asia and has nothing to do with europeans, look at the map. I2 blue eyed Western Hunter Gatherers wiped out the very small amount of C people that were in Europe

How do you know my WHG autosomal ancestry, all you know is that I have the ydna which is the most important part as early history was decided by men. As for Syrians, that is what the Romans brought to Albania to mix with the locals, if it wasn't for the migrations of central and eastern Europeans a lot of Albanians would look like this guy now - https://www.google.com/search?clien...biw=418&bih=848&dpr=2.63#imgrc=YGJW4_QaeT66pM

 

[epirus1000]

1. You can't mark whole village as Albanian on the basis of few names out of 20.
2. As Dino points out (Picture 1) beyond just the names, the nicknames (Siromah, Sirak, Brato, Kovach) were not translated(as Monster and Tanjush were kind enough to provide) and would indicate the speaking language in the village.
3. I can cherry pick clusters among other heterogeneous groups to project a claim in India.
Viminacium finding points even more to the Daco-Moesian/Besi theory. It's important to mark the group that carried the language.

This thread and the other one are quite disengenous https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/kosova-1452-1480-ottoman-register.44471/page-2#post-676961

Dino is doing a great job in explaining the population of many villages in Thessaly and Macedonia (in Greece).
It appears that the Slavs and Albanians were a great part of that region, and it was probably one of the most diverse regions in the South Balkans. Basically the Greeks were probably the third or fourth group in the area, behind Slavs, Albanians, Vlachs.
Can we call that area Greek, or Albanian, or Slavic, or Vlachs? We can call specific villages like that, but not the entire area. Everyone was there living their life.

 

[TaktikatEMalet]

Proto Albanian (Thraco illyrian?) -

Roman anatolian Albanian -

Central/eastern European/Slavic Albanian -

Ottoman Albanian (very rare case) or maybe another Roman anatolian or Sarmatian? -

 

[boriss]

Not sure how familiar with history you are. But around 1455 Albanians where in full blown revolt against Ottomans under Skenderbeg. Not sure why you think they would be registered subjects under Brankovic, a Serb, Ottoman vassal at the time.

The territory of Kosovo was under Brankovic at that time and its how the turks named the given drefter. You can google it, but i think you already know. What kind of logical fallacy is that exactly ? All settlements under Brankovic were recorded including the few albanian names you find here and there.

Actually the territory was even raided by Skenderbeg as Brankovic was an ottoman vassal Looks like he raided Albanians.

 

[boriss]

Dino is doing a great job in explaining the population of many villages in Thessaly and Macedonia (in Greece).
It appears that the Slavs and Albanians were a great part of that region, and it was probably one of the most diverse regions in the South Balkans. Basically the Greeks were probably the third or fourth group in the area, behind Slavs, Albanians, Vlachs.
Can we call that area Greek, or Albanian, or Slavic, or Vlachs? We can call specific villages like that, but not the entire area. Everyone was there living their life.

Yes but stick to the facts Albanian names are quite small minority in the Kosovo drefters. And nicknames, titles, occupations are exclusively in Slavic(Siromah, Sirak, Pop, Kovach, Brato ect ect).

Dino similarly like all other linguists and osmanologs inferred which language would be spoken in the village on the basis on the language used for their nicknames, relations, occupations as you can double check many of his posts.

This all seems ignored by Albanian posters on this thread and the other few spam thread. 0 objectivity.

And even more crazy is the fact that a village/region becomes “Albanian” when 2 out of 90 names are Albanian. Or trough Has border region indicate that Prishtina, Prizren ect were Albanian. I have no trouble admitting Albanian presence and names anywhere where it pops out, but it's quite obvious in the case of Kosovo they've become majority much later.


Also the same accounts look to be faking the records and making up Albanian names and adding them or their source is maybe corrupted ?
For example @monster - Monster/Tanjush and his Appricity account - Brave mention 50 Albanian names for Ljubizhde in the 1571 census.

Kosova 1571 Ottoman register

The Ottoman register of Kosova from the year 1571 that covers the Has region in Kosova (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Has_(region) ) and the area between Gjakova and Prizren and the Opoja region (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opolje) , it was inhabited by an Albanian population with majority...

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When it's actually All Slavic Names and nicknames.

• Ivan Hrana; Nikola Jovan; Dimitar Pejčin; Hrana Brajan; Dimitar Pejo; Jakov Pejo; Dabizhiv Pejo; Nikola Katanchić; Jovan Dejko; Nenko Jovan; Nikola Jovan; Stojko Goga; Mihailo Dimitar; Jovan Dimitar; Dabizhiv Dimitar; Damjan Dimitar; Dimitar Oliver; Nikola Dimitar; Raja Miladin; Dabizhiv Pejo; Stepan Nikola; Dabo Vujo; baština Rajadži je Dabo Vujo; Cvetko Jovan; Pejo Pribоje; Toma Jolac; Petar Toma; Bogdan Vlah; Stojko Koman; Radojna Jakov; Jakov Radojna; Boško Nikola; Pejo Nikola; Mladen Stojko; Đura Stojko; Dimitar Stojko; Lazar Stepan; Nikola Stepan; Jovan Petko; Rajko Jovan; Petar Jovan; Stanisav Božić; Dimitar Božić; Nikola Pržilo; Dane Pržilo; Stanisav Pržilo; Nenko Pržilo; Đura Petko; Stojko Dimitar; Stojko Brajan; Stanisav Stojko; Dabizhiv Pejo; Dimjo Dabizhiv; Dimitar Rajko; Đura Dimitar; Damjan Nikola; Jovan Dabizhiv; Dimitar pop; baština Prvulo pop drži je Dimitar pop; baština Jovan drži je Nikola Siromah;
• Mihailo Stachić; Petar Nikola; Jovan Siromah; Đuro Dobrosav; Stanisav Đuro; Jovan Dabizhiv; Marko Jovan; Pejo Jovan; Stojko Mladen; Đuro Dimitar; Lazar Đuro; Nina Mihail; Dabizhiv Nikola; Lazar Nikola; Nikola Lazar; Todor Mihailo; Niko Nikolin; Dimitar Niko; Boško Simeun; Stojko Simeun; Mladen Stojko; Jovan Kovač; Petar Jovan; Marko Jovan; Stojko Dimitar; Stojko Pejan; Pejo Stojko; drugi Pejo Stojko; Stojko Todor; Dimitar Lalović; Jakov Nikola; Dimitar Jovan; Nikola Dimitar; baština Jovan Marko držao je Niko a sada Dimitar Niko; baština David držao je Dursun Hodža a sada stanovnici mahale; baština Boško drži je Simeun; baština Benko drže je žitelji sela; baština Nikola drže je stanovnici rečene mahale; baština Jovan drži je Stojko Dimitar; baština Jovan drži je Jovan Kovač; baština Milić držao je Jusuf a sada stanovnici rečene mahale; Jusuf Abdulah čift.
• Lazar Petar; Ostoјko Oliver; Jovan Jovan; Jovan Božić; Božić Novak; Miloš doselac; Bogdan doselac; Radisav Bogica; Rade Simeun; Dabo Nikola; Stepan Bojo; Stepan Pejo; Dimitar Đuro; Cvetko Nikola; Stojko Nikola; Stojko Pejo; Jakov Pejo; Mihailo Jakov; Ruja Mihailo; Ostoјko Voja doselac; Nikola Jovan; Đuro Nikola doselac; Jovan Pejčin; Daba Mileta; Jovan Mileta; Nikola Radisav; Bogica Nikola; Cvetko Vukašin; Jovan Niko; baština Dimitar drži je Dimitar Đuro; baština Petruša drže je stanovnici sela; baština Kralj držao je Jovan a sada Pejčin Jovan; baština Radisav držao je Rade a sada Rade Simeun; baština Radić drže je žitelji sela; baština Đurko drži je Mihajl Jakov; baština u rukama Ibrahima b. Husejina, čift; baština u rukama Kasima b. Husejina; udovica Stana; udovica Petruša; udovica Jovana; druga udovica Stana.