Politics Should Crimea be an independent country? (Russian-Ukrainian conflict)

Lol, just because West is not to your liking it doesn't mean it has to use secretive and undemocratic powers. Many countries moved from totalitarian communism to free West on their own accord. And it is no different in Ukraine now. They asked for help and change, and now we are able and willing to help. How difficult it is to understand?

25 years, from fall of USSR, and Ukraine was still stuck with unreformed socialistic markets, 0 GDP growth, and being "helped" by Russia. Obviously it wasn't working for them, people are fed up and angry and want to try something else.

Yes, in Layman's terms - they wanted more money, and you were there to print it. That's not called help, it's called buying the land.

Otherwise it is how you define insanity, to repeat same things over and over expecting different results. Time for a change. The only reason you are against changes in Ukraine is because they want to be friends with the West.

I'm against it because West is buying their friendship to put nuclear warheads there. If there wasn't for Russia beyond Ukraine, West wouldn't give a *** about them.

Perhaps you should try something new too, what you are teaching here is not working. If not for the West you wouldn't even have a computer and internet, lol.
It is not working because someone is paying loads of money for it not to work.
 
Ike, I totally disagree – Maidan was such a powerful movement of free spirit – it happened because of brutality and corruption of the Yanukovych regime, which overstepped any kind of limits. Remember the Maidan movement took strength when a handful of students were brutally beaten by special police forces in November2013. Russia had all the money and influence in Ukraine at that time, but they could not stop this movement by usual manipulations. This is why Russia annex Crimea and started the war to stop Ukraine moving outside of tis sphere of influence.
Read the verse, listen to a song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj1MTTArzPI- it carries the spirit of Maidan.

From Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anastasia_Dmitruk

The poem waswritten in response to Russian occupation of Crimea in 2014.The poem celebrates Ukrainian revolution and rejects the ideaof all-Russian nation, according to which EasternSlavs should unite together against the West.It tells that Ukrainians must follow democracy,rather than remain junior brothers of "greatRussians" who are still governed by their "Tzar", accordingto her, in line with the overall ideology of Euromaidan.The YouTube record with Dmitruk reading her poem became viral,quickly accumulating more than a million hits. A song on the poem was createdby musicians from Klaipeda and also quickly accumulated more than millionhits. The poem was hotly debated in press


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj1MTTArzPI


“We will neverever be brothers -
not by motherland, not by mothers.
Your souls aren’t free, they’re crippling -
we won’t even become step-siblings.
Christened “elder,” - we don’t believe you -
we’ll be younger, but not beneath you.
You are many, but faceless of late,
you’re enormous perhaps, we’re – great.
But you smother… orbiting zealously,
you will choke one day on your jealousy.
Freedom’s foreign to you, unattained,
from your childhood, you’ve been chained.
In your home, “silence’s golden” prevails,
but we’re raising up Molotov cocktails.
In our hearts, blood is boiling, sizzling,
and you’re kin? – you blind ones, miserly?
There’s no fear in our eyes, it’s effortless,
we are dangerous even weaponless.
We have grown, became brave outright
while the snipers held us in sight.
Executioners forced us to kneel –
we stood up and all was repealed.
Rats are hiding from us, but they’re lot
is to wash themselves clean in blood.
They are sending new orders, devising,
we are lighting the flames of uprising.
From your Tsar, our Democracy’s severed.
We will never be brothers ever.
 
Yes, in Layman's terms - they wanted more money, and you were there to print it. That's not called help, it's called buying the land.
If it was so easy as printing the money, why Russia didn't print tons of Rubles to help poor Ukraine? A friend who refused to print paper to help them!
Seriously, this is not how real economy works. It is not about money, it is about production. Ukraine needs investments to start producing. There is no other way around it. It should be a common knowledge in Serbia or Greece these days.


I'm against it because West is buying their friendship to put nuclear warheads there. If there wasn't for Russia beyond Ukraine, West wouldn't give a *** about them.
That's because you are scared of the West, same a Russians. Stop watching Soviet propaganda already! For West is about helping a Friend. Exactly what Soviets did fail and You are still failing to grasp. It is also about world stability, progress, predictable markets, freedoms and prosperity. Isn't it exactly what was missing in Ukraine under Russia's friendship? Let them try something new, something else, they don't have much to lose, lol, just poverty and sorrow.

It is not working because someone is paying loads of money for it not to work.
It doesn't make sense. West want everyone to be rich, so you have money to buy our expensive products. Products for your homes, and building homes, electronics, more computers, cellphones, designer clothes, expensive shoes, etc. If you are rich and you buy them, we will get even richer. Poor countries are not good for business, are they?
The best example is China. Once they switched to capitalist production side the country is growing fast. Now they have 500 million people in middle class. They did it themselves by changing economic system and with help of Wester investments.
 
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You can disagree however much you like. We here in Yugoslavia have a very extensive first hand experience with student and every other kind of revolutions. Every single one of dozens of these movements was sponsored by CIA to destabilize the region.

Maidan was supported by our very own Srdja Popovic, the guy who organized student movement Otpor! which was financed by US government to overthrow the legitimate government in our country. Same method was used in destabilizing the Egypt, and many other countries though his criminal organisation CANVAS. They also started things in Ukraine. It's no secret they have a stronghold here in Yugoslavia, and people here know who they are and what they are doing for more than a decade.

So, nothing romantic there. Just a bunch of manipulated young people thinking they are doing something for their future, but in fact installing occupational government. It's sad that Ukrainians fell for Srdja's methods, and allowed US to start the war in their country.

There are many details about CANVAS involvement in situation in Ukraine.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukrain...anced-color-revolution-training-group/5369906
 
If it was so easy as printing the money, why Russia didn't print tons of Rubles to help poor Ukraine? A friend who refused to print paper to help them!
It would not be a real help. You can't help a junkie by giving him more heroin.

Seriously, this is not how real economy works. It is not about money, it is about production. Ukraine needs investments to start producing. There is no other way around it. It should be a common knowledge in Serbia or Greece these days.
No, West is making it's economy work on production, and wants us all to play that game. It's not about the production. Production based economy only asks for more production until the whole balloon bursts. It's a wrong scenario that has proven wrong many times and should have been abandoned.

That's because you are scared of the West, same a Russians. Stop watching Soviet propaganda already! For West is about helping a Friend. Exactly what Soviets did fail and You are still failing to grasp. It is also about world stability, progress, predictable markets, freedoms and prosperity. Isn't it exactly what was missing in Ukraine under Russia's friendship? Let them try something new, something else, they don't have much to lose, lol, just poverty and sorrow.
I haven't seen more than 10 Russian news reports in last 5 years, and event that was involuntarily, so I dunno what you're talking about.

Yes Ukrainians have everything to lose. Your problem is that you've already surrendered your soul, and you can't see that's exactly what people are going to lose. Russians are currently playing US game, but if they start doing it for serious and not just to counteract US government movements, they will also get a middle finger from me.

It doesn't make sense. West want everyone to be rich, so you have money to buy our expensive products.
Exactly! That's the problem. Not everyone wants to be rich, if rich means that what you're saying.

Products for your homes, and building homes, electronics, more computers, cellphones, designer clothes, expensive shoes, etc. If you are rich and you buy them, we will get even richer. Poor countries are not good for business, are they? The best example is China. Once they switched to capitalist production side the country is growing fast. Now they have 500 million people in middle class. They did it themselves by changing economic system and with help of Wester investments.

Rich is not about money. Being rich in money only makes people involved into material things that would mask the real problems they have. We have large amount of rich people being extremely unhappy and depressive, using alcohol, sex, drugs or work to try to evade their spiritual pain. Wasn't Robin Williams rich, and happy :unsure:
 
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/...e-as-Pro-Russians-Capture-Children-in-Snizhne

Exactly what many were suspecting from the beginning. Putin is extremely active towards his goal of destabilization of Ukraine.

UKRAINE IS DISTABILIZED BY ITS OWN HEAD,
WHERE IS YULIA ?
WHERE ARE THE REST?
THE LAST ELECTIONS, SHOW A LOT OF DIFFERENCES,
WHY Nationalists and East DOES Not ACCEPT THAT,

AS ALWAYS THE GAME OF GOOD AND BAD, USA AND USSR, AND THE UNGLY, THE SAME UKRAINIANS,
WE LIVED IT 3 TIMES, ONE IN 1945-1949 CIVIL WAR, ONE AT 50's WITH THE STRANGE 'DEATH' OF PAUL (bitten by monkjey?) AND THE CYPRUS EPISODES, AND IN 1967-74 WITH THE USA JUNDA,
EACH TIME THE GAME OF RUSSIAN AND AMERICANS
ENOUGH WITH IT

I hope Ukrainians soon will find their way, and balance among East and West, cause playing the game of others is just stupid,
MANY UNGLY PSEUDOPOLITICALS THERE ARE PAID EITHER BY RUSIIANS EITHER BY USA,
remember Yulia's case,
but if is needed it is better to split now, before its late, and hate groth in the hearts of people, and Death rule the land there,

WHO IS WHO?

Good-The-Bad-and-The-Ugly-DI.jpg


ONE IS FOR SURE, UKRAINE IS GOING TO BE THE BACKGROUND OF THE PHOTO, A CEMETERY,
AND ONE OF THE 3 WILL EARN THE GOLD HIDDEN IN THAT CEMETERY,



together they drill oil in North pole, and we believe they are enemies,

It alwaays ends like this,
one to grave, the other loser and the 3rd winner
but loser and winner share the gold.
 
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It would not be a real help. You can't help a junkie by giving him more heroin.
First you called Ukrainians Nazis now they are junkies to you.


No, West is making it's economy work on production, and wants us all to play that game. It's not about the production. Production based economy only asks for more production until the whole balloon bursts. It's a wrong scenario that has proven wrong many times and should have been abandoned.
You are confusing recessions, which are market corrections (a normal cycle of free market economy), with who knows what you have in mind. Didn't you notice that GDP per capita grows with every decade in the West?
What a great idea to abandon market economy and go back to your favorite socialism! Do you mean the one that collapsed by itself, lol? Can you give us one example of working alternative you proposing, or perhaps you've only seen it in your dreams?


I haven't seen more than 10 Russian news reports in last 5 years, and event that was involuntarily, so I dunno what you're talking about.
Oh no, I meant old Soviet Union propaganda or Yugoslavian one, you are still living in.



Exactly! That's the problem. Not everyone wants to be rich, if rich means that what you're saying.
I meant, well off with lots of freedoms and choice. No problem, to start with, just send your computer to capitalists who made it and cut off your internet so they don't get rich off you this way either. Cancel your phone, don't go to hospital, or school, don't use streets, electricity, public transportation, and move out from your house, etc, etc, etc. These are all fruits of production, you know. Oh, and don't forget to walk naked, clothes are materialistic in essence, pun intended, lol. Also, don't use sewer cleaning plants, but instead poor your filth to the river directly (the pre-production way). Don't invest in new technologies, like solar and any clean energy, because it means production of more new things. Yes, and foods are products too. I advise you to only limit yourself to potatoes and tomatoes from your garden. Wait, it is production too (if only by yourself, still), so eat only wild varieties from forest or meadow. All meats are energy intensive products, so please avoid them. Don't eat fish, they require boats and nets to catch, trucks to transport, therefore more hated by you products. I hope you don't have a dog or a cat either, they are products of human breeders. If you live in a city, everything you touch during a day is a product. The only non-products are soil and air to breath, and some rocks. Even trees are planted in cities, therefore being product. Be a Gandhi and show us the right way. Then you will know how much product you are using daily. You are addicted to products and you don't see it.



Being rich in money only makes people involved into material things that would mask the real problems they have. We have large amount of rich people being extremely unhappy and depressive, using alcohol, sex, drugs or work to try to evade their spiritual pain.
I'm sure there are more poor and depressed people. On top of addictions, and because of additions, they are poor and unhappy.
Happiness is more genetic than about money. Money is a tool which make life easier and give people more choices. Would you want to be poor and unhappy or rich and unhappy? I think you made your choice, and now what is left in your life is to be sour and jealous of people who have more.

Wasn't Robin Williams rich, and happy :unsure:
And what do you want to achieve with this anecdote? Can you find statistics to show who is happier, or at least less depressed, poor or rich? Or perhaps who is healthier and lives longer? I bet you, that you can't find even one showing that poor people are happier and healthier than wealth ones. Come on, make my day.
 
UKRAINE IS DISTABILIZED BY ITS OWN HEAD,
WHERE IS YULIA ?
WHERE ARE THE REST?
THE LAST ELECTIONS, SHOW A LOT OF DIFFERENCES,
WHY Nationalists and East DOES Not ACCEPT THAT,

AS ALWAYS THE GAME OF GOOD AND BAD, USA AND USSR, AND THE UNGLY, THE SAME UKRAINIANS,
WE LIVED IT 3 TIMES, ONE IN 1945-1949 CIVIL WAR, ONE AT 50's WITH THE STRANGE 'DEATH' OF PAUL (bitten by monkjey?) AND THE CYPRUS EPISODES, AND IN 1967-74 WITH THE USA JUNDA,
EACH TIME THE GAME OF RUSSIAN AND AMERICANS
ENOUGH WITH IT

I hope Ukrainians soon will find their way, and balance among East and West, cause playing the game of others is just stupid,
MANY UNGLY PSEUDOPOLITICALS THERE ARE PAID EITHER BY RUSIIANS EITHER BY USA,
remember Yulia's case,
but if is needed it is better to split now, before its late, and hate groth in the hearts of people, and Death rule the land there,

WHO IS WHO?

ONE IS FOR SURE, UKRAINE IS GOING TO BE THE BACKGROUND OF THE PHOTO, A CEMETERY,
AND ONE OF THE 3 WILL EARN THE GOLD HIDDEN IN THAT CEMETERY,


together they drill oil in North pole, and we believe they are enemies,

It alwaays ends like this,
one to grave, the other loser and the 3rd winner
but loser and winner share the gold.
Does Greece have a neighbour who starts war in your country? What would you say if Albanians would make a rebellion and wanted to cut off a piece of Greece and connect it to Albania? Oh, and imagine Albania is 10 times stronger and bigger than Greece. And this neighbor killed 5 million Greeks 70 years ago. And you lost independence to it for couple of hundreds of years.
You know what, change Albania to Turkey, lol. Now, would you still blame Greek government and people, instead of Turkey?
 
First you called Ukrainians Nazis now they are junkies to you.
No, but I think you just may have :)

You are confusing recessions, which are market corrections (a normal cycle of free market economy), with who knows what you have in mind. Didn't you notice that GDP per capita grows with every decade in the West?
What a great idea to abandon market economy and go back to your favorite socialism! Do you mean the one that collapsed by itself, lol? Can you give us one example of working alternative you proposing, or perhaps you've only seen it in your dreams?
I can give you - one without Western countries to manipulate 3rd world countries with money and to terrorize them with guns. By the way, I don't favor socialism in any way. It has shown many flaws, and it collapsed for many reasons, and some of them having nothing to do with socialism itself.

Oh no, I meant old Soviet Union propaganda or Yugoslavian one, you are still living in.
Still don't know what are you talking about. I don't watch TV and read newspapers.


I meant, well off with lots of freedoms and choice. No problem, to start with, just send your computer to capitalists who made it and cut off your internet so they don't get rich off you this way either. Cancel your phone, don't go to hospital, or school, don't use streets, electricity, public transportation, and move out from your house, etc, etc, etc. These are all fruits of production, you know. Oh, and don't forget to walk naked, clothes are materialistic in essence, pun intended, lol. Also, don't use sewer cleaning plants, but instead poor your filth to the river directly (the pre-production way). Don't invest in new technologies, like solar and any clean energy, because it means production of more new things. Yes, and foods are products too. I advise you to only limit yourself to potatoes and tomatoes from your garden. Wait, it is production too (if only by yourself, still), so eat only wild varieties from forest or meadow. All meats are energy intensive products, so please avoid them. Don't eat fish, they require boats and nets to catch, trucks to transport, therefore more hated by you products. I hope you don't have a dog or a cat either, they are products of human breeders. If you live in a city, everything you touch during a day is a product. The only non-products are soil and air to breath, and some rocks. Even trees are planted in cities, therefore being product. Be a Gandhi and show us the right way. Then you will know how much product you are using daily. You are addicted to products and you don't see it.
Gross oversimplification. Again false dilemma you're making. It's like either one has to be walking bare naked and have sex with animals or to join NATO. Only 2 choices.
It's not the problem with products itself, the problem is in the importance you give to the phenomena.


I'm sure there are more poor and depressed people. On top of addictions, and because of additions, they are poor and unhappy.
Happiness is more genetic than about money. Money is a tool which make life easier and give people more choices. Would you want to be poor and unhappy or rich and unhappy? I think you made your choice, and now what is left in your life is to be sour and jealous of people who have more.
But you just won't leave me alone. You are so eager to make me rich even if I don't want your money and I'm happy without it :)

And what do you want to achieve with this anecdote? Can you find statistics to show who is happier, or at least less depressed, poor or rich? Or perhaps who is healthier and lives longer? I bet you, that you can't find even one showing that poor people are happier and healthier than wealth ones. Come on, make my day.
I bet that people that have less money are more depressed, and I'm not surprised. Enormous amounts of money are used to propagate that only ones with money can live proper earthly lives and be happy. That's what Western countries built their societies on, and they want the whole world to do the same. And that's why a lot of people here don't watch TV or read papers. We know what you are trying to do, and we don't fall for that cr*p.
 
Does Greece have a neighbour who starts war in your country? What would you say if Albanians would make a rebellion and wanted to cut off a piece of Greece and connect it to Albania? Oh, and imagine Albania is 10 times stronger and bigger than Greece. And this neighbor killed 5 million Greeks 70 years ago. And you lost independence to it for couple of hundreds of years.
You know what, change Albania to Turkey, lol. Now, would you still blame Greek government and people, instead of Turkey?

HAHAHAHA
Greece does not have one neighrbor, but 4 who want that,
but the real enemy are not the 4 neighbors, the enemies are far away, and are bigger, Big enough,
besides if you know the balkans, then you know who is the big one here, hwo declares grey zones, and who put casus beli


try to understand it we do not have a revolution in Ukraine only this time, we had before and before,
and we also have revolution in the revolution today,

to Understand what i talking about,
What if Alaska which was bought, tomorow decides to go indipendent?

there 2 solutions there,
1 is guns,
2 is referendums,

I understand the passion you show with Ukraine, is in Europe, and your origins are from a nearby country, and your opinions are accepted,
But what makes me wonder why you do not show the same passion in IS and middle East,
maybe middle East is far from your homeland? or does not bother you?

in Syrria ex-Iraq situation run out control
there GENOCIDES TAKE PLACE
no trace of a human help, no medical help, just massacres especially to non muslims,
who according the local believes YOU ARE ALLOWED TO CUT THEIR HEADS IF NOT MUSLIMS
and you are stuck in Game of Ukraine, and why russia send medical Help,
What ABOUT IT? WHO TRAINED THEM? WHO SUPPOORT THEM WITH GUNS? WHY NO MEDICAL HELP?
WHY WE SEND UN TROOPS IN ALL OTHER AREAS EXCEPT THERE WHERE NEEDED?
WHAT ARE GOING TO SAY TO THE 700 CLAN MEMBERS at Al Zor THAT WERE SLAIN LIKE SHEEPS by IS?
the silence of the lamps,
At LEAST WHO GAVE THEM GUNS?


IS is USING USA modern equipment, while autonomous Kurds had some overlife Ak47 and older, so Kurds and russian guns, now are the good guy, but before IS they were the bad guy, the terorrists especially in NATO due to Turkey,
and the good Jihandists who fought against Hassant, now are the bad ones with USA guns,

I cannot distinguish who is the good and who is the bad? so I suport other solutions,
since you can by your own, and not transmiting his master's voice, tell us how this will end?
I say that Ukraine is connected with Syrria, they are connected, you?

the case reminds me Georgia Ossetia and Nato before few years, a fast blitzkrieg chessgame, faster than the 6 days war,
 
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Putting embargo on whole Russia oil,for EU countries and EU countries accepting it is just plain dumb,from EU leaders.
Thing is,is true Stalin did a genocide against Ukraine people 70 years ago or so,but Stalin was not Russian,he was Georgian.
This does not means that Georgians killed that many Ukrainians.
It had nothing to do with ethnicity,it had to do with politics.
If we scroll back in history,would be good to not miss-interpret the things in such a mode to seed hatred between brothers,as some demented people from either US or Europe are doing,with Russia and its neighbors.
Please show me others genocides against Ukrainians which were did in the past,before Bolsheviks lead Russia,well are none.
 
I cannot distinguish who is the good and who is the bad? so I suport other solutions,
since you can by your own, and not transmiting his master's voice, tell us how this will end?
I say that Ukraine is connected with Syrria, they are connected, you?

the case reminds me Georgia Ossetia and Nato before few years, a fast blitzkrieg chessgame, faster than the 6 days war,
That's because you always look for a perfect enemy and perfect friend, or for one at all. Can a country or group exist without being one or the other, just be?
With Kurds situation is much easier than with Syria. They were always pro Western and they specifically asked for our help.
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/30161-Free-and-independent-Kurdistan-is-coming-soon
 
Putting embargo on whole Russia oil,for EU countries and EU countries accepting it is just plain dumb,from EU leaders.
Thing is,is true Stalin did a genocide against Ukraine people 70 years ago or so,but Stalin was not Russian,he was Georgian.
This does not means that Georgians killed that many Ukrainians.
It had nothing to do with ethnicity,it had to do with politics.
If we scroll back in history,would be good to not miss-interpret the things in such a mode to seed hatred between brothers,as some demented people from either US or Europe are doing,with Russia and its neighbors.
Please show me others genocides against Ukrainians which were did in the past,before Bolsheviks lead Russia,well are none.
Not to this horrific extent of Soviet era. You have to keep in mind that during Russian occupation in 19th century all Ukrainian independence movement, or anything nationalistic, were considered dangerous and illegal. Thousands of Ukrainians finished their lives in Siberia. They were not exactly friends with Russia.
Now when Ukraine has a chance to be independent and pick their own friends, Russia is doing anything to make sure Ukraine is under their control. Excuse me, but this is not an indication being a friend and a good neighbor, isn't it?
 
Try to catch well done documentary on BBC Our World. Reporter goes to Crimea and interviews various local people, what they think about annexation to Russia. It is called "Reclaiming Russia's Paradise".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/n3csw9b2/broadcasts
I can't find it on youtube yet.
 
That's because you always look for a perfect enemy and perfect friend, or for one at all. Can a country or group exist without being one or the other, just be?
With Kurds situation is much easier than with Syria. They were always pro Western and they specifically asked for our help.
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/30161-Free-and-independent-Kurdistan-is-coming-soon

No, that because USA gave Jihadists modern and expensive guns,
well not gave them, just let them unprotected, :petrified:

Sorry but we all know,
before 20 years Kurds were terrorists, cause threatened NATO/OTAN members, Turkey
When Obama decide to leave Iraq, he left them autonomous but unprotected!!!!!!!! with some ex-USSR weaponry,
Now he is sending guns, modern and equal to IS guns,

on the other hand,
Jihad, was the good guys, they fought to overwhelm Hassant the ungly dictator, with no guns, massacres were mentioned, chemicals etc etc.
Jihadist need guns, we can not give it to them, what the world will, say,
so we leave them unprotected, we leave Iraq, but we leave behind millions $ weapons,
I wonder how come some unarmed rabels from Syrria, knew where to strike, how to strike, and so fast, WHO ORGANISE THEM? who teach them blitzkrieg tacticks,
and suddenly they have not only modern guns, but also 300 000 000 EΥΡΩ to buy more!!!!!

in the theory of good bad and ungly, someone must earn? in this case who? well giving millions of dollars weapon (or allow to be stollen) surely you need to replace them, so you buy again
you also need to give Guns to the oposite, so you also buy for the other,
so the money goes to the good, the Guns INDUSTRY, :heart: :heart: :heart:
You let there to be some massacres, so you input hate among populations, so they will always fight, so they always need you, so you send some UN troops, and you control Mossoul's oil,
and the more you control, the more earn,
on the other hand the Big Bad, how you put a spell on him, well you create an unstability in the areas he controls, lets say Ukraine, but if the BIG BAD gets ungry?
No The big bad will not be angry, cause he knew about unstability, he knew about your allies economy, so he punishes your allies with even 60% loss of GDP, and creates new areas, fully controled,

So by your solutions the only one who wins are not USA, Neither Russia, Neither Syrria, Neither Kurdistan, neither Ukraine, neither Jihadists IS
BUT THE GUNS INDUSTRY AT FIRST, AND OIL COMPANIES AT SECOND, :heart: :heart: :heart:

ok who cares, lets make some genocides more, let some hundrends thousand people to die, what is few deaths against the profit,
besides who knew Yezidis or the other ones yesterday?
tomorrow morning my USA and Russian Friends they drink their coffee or tsae , eat a donut or a piroski, and discuss the news, on who is good and who is bad,
while their taxes, went to carbage tin, due to a NATO or USA stupid general, who left unprotected millions $ of weapons,
or that general was SMART?
I BELIEVE THE SECOND, CAUSE IF OBAMA CARE, HE HAD HIS HEAD CUT, BUT HE KNEW, SO HE DOES NOT WANT THE HEAD OF STUPID GENERAL, BUT MAYBE PROMOTE HIM, SINCE HE MANAGE NOT TO THROW AWAY USA CITIZEN'S TAXES, BUT TO SEND THEM IN GUN INDUSTRY. :heart::heart::heart::heart:

Do not watch too much TV, they brain wash you. :gun::gun:
 
Not to this horrific extent of Soviet era. You have to keep in mind that during Russian occupation in 19th century all Ukrainian independence movement, or anything nationalistic, were considered dangerous and illegal. Thousands of Ukrainians finished their lives in Siberia. They were not exactly friends with Russia.
Now when Ukraine has a chance to be independent and pick their own friends, Russia is doing anything to make sure Ukraine is under their control. Excuse me, but this is not an indication being a friend and a good neighbor, isn't it?
It is not Russia,it is Putin.
And I think both Putin and Nuland are acting on the indications of same person,Obama.
They have a visible anti-white pro-Brazil and pro-India politics.
let me see,Obama said that US should make embargo on oil bought from Russia,but still some US companies are helping a lot Russia and are extracting oil with Russia Putin controlled companies.
Is very simple,Ukraine has most IT specialists per capita from the world.
And they are a very serious competition for India specialists.
So if some persons from Europe are brain-washed to be India admirers,as we have Obama and Putin they have all interest to portray Ukrainians as savage,uncivilized persons.
Please tell me what US IT company would prefer an Ukrainian IT specialist after recent events in Ukraine?
I do not trust you either,I have not searched your posts,but for a person who lives in Canada and is that intelligent as you are is quite hard to not notice that IT industry is invaded by Indians,in Canada also.
Can you explain me,if Obama is really supporting Ukraine and Ukrainians,why is not adopting some measures for making the access of Ukrainian IT specialists on the US market easier?
How many Ukrainians are working in IT in US?
And how many Indians?
Now Ukrainians and Russians are almost same people,their language are mutually intelligible .
if you think Ukraine would rather stay closed to Poland,remember Taras Bulba,that the Ukrainian that is betraying Ukrainians for Poles is shot by his father.
 
It is not Russia,it is Putin.
And I think both Putin and Nuland are acting on the indications of same person,Obama.
In this case it is Russia, Putin was elected by majority of voters, because most Russians like Putin's vision of new Russian Empire.
They have a visible anti-white pro-Brazil and pro-India politics.
let me see,Obama said that US should make embargo on oil bought from Russia,but still some US companies are helping a lot Russia and are extracting oil with Russia Putin controlled companies.
Because in US there is free market economy and private companies don't need to listen to Obama where to invest, unless it is prohibited by embargo. Rare cases like Iran, Cuba, N. Corea, and in this excellent company we have Russia now.

Is very simple,Ukraine has most IT specialists per capita from the world.
And they are a very serious competition for India specialists.
So if some persons from Europe are brain-washed to be India admirers,as we have Obama and Putin they have all interest to portray Ukrainians as savage,uncivilized persons.
Please tell me what US IT company would prefer an Ukrainian IT specialist after recent events in Ukraine?
I do not trust you either,I have not searched your posts,but for a person who lives in Canada and is that intelligent as you are is quite hard to not notice that IT industry is invaded by Indians,in Canada also.
Can you explain me,if Obama is really supporting Ukraine and Ukrainians,why is not adopting some measures for making the access of Ukrainian IT specialists on the US market easier?
How many Ukrainians are working in IT in US?
And how many Indians?
Once again you need to realise that Obama doesn't direct economy much. There is no 5 year government plan where to invest and what to build like in China or used to be in Romania. There is a free market for economy, companies have their own hiring rules. If Ukrainian IT guy comes and is needed, they will hire him. It is not up to Obama to dictate companies who to hire. There is also emigration policy for people who want to enter US and work there. Indians and Ukrainians can apply for work and having the right skills and language they can be granted entry to US. Also you need to see this problem by statistical prism. There is 20 times more Indians than Ukrainians in the world. Statistically there should be 20 Indians working in US to one Ukrainian IT, if they emigrated to US in same proportions. Did you check it out?

I'm not sure if you realize that US president don't have much law making powers, and rarely changes something with a presidential decree. Actually he needs to follow US Laws and regulations too. He is not a dictator as you might think, he can't rule like Tsar Putin. He can be easily impeached, kicked out of office, or decide to quickly resign like Reagan and Nixon did in case of affairs. Clinton barely squicked by.




Now Ukrainians and Russians are almost same people,their language are mutually intelligible .
Yes their languages are close, however Ukrainian lexicon is closer to Polish than to Russian. Slavic together with Slovak and Polish.
if you think Ukraine would rather stay closed to Poland,remember Taras Bulba,that the Ukrainian that is betraying Ukrainians for Poles is shot by his father.
You know it is a fictional character for theatrical play?
 
Putin closes McDonalds.

Putin lashes out at McDonalds in Moscow. There are no official sanctions against western businesses operating in Russia, but today 3 McDonalds were closed in Moscow due to "sanitary violations". Lol, this is how dictatorship works. It is never straightforward with it's actions, but everybody knows the proper meaning. Lies, conspiracies, diversions and hypocrisy.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ia-closes-moscow-branches-sanitary-violations
 
finally, I feel fullfid, ok,

ukraine's president Porosenko anounced that ukraine is going to buy 40 billion Grivn about 2,2-2,3 Billion E guns in the next year,
that is what i was expecting,
the poor Ukrainians, who indeed majority especially in the west parts were poor under the lasts alliances,
who dreamed the EU dream,
and the East ones who wanted to stay at the old league with Russia,
noew they are about to enter more poverty, more depths etc etc,
Porosenko anounced 2,2 -3 billion E guns in 2015,
a division would cost less.

I think that is why even UN did not step foot, neither USA or EU,
Billions of E or $ will run in the guns industry,,
and we believe that the embargo with Russia will stop the war.
same time when EU is about to give money to many countries due to the responce embargo of Russia to EU,
especially Lithuania is about to lose the 60% of GDP, how come EU is going to return back?

it seems that some want an open war there, they did not want to close the case, neither go to elections and referendums,
are we going to see a new wall there? like Berlin and Cyprus?

the money is big,
 

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