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albanians and greeks are indigenous in the balkan. SO do there language show a bit of similarites ?
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Albanian and modern Greek have not many similarities
but Albanian and old. Greek especially Doric Greek have many similarities and common words that are not even found in modern Greek
ex.
alb. 'Dhe'
dor. gr ' Δα ' (dha)
new.gr ' Γη ' ( ji )
from what we know from Greek language the letter ' Δ 'was pronounced as the Albanian,Latin ' D ' in antiquity.
Babiniotis Lexicon.
∆, δ: δέλτα, το τέταρτο γράµµα τού ελληνικού αλφαβήτου. Ό∆σο γνωρίζουµε από τη φωνολογία τής Αρχαίας Ελληνικής, το γράµµα δαντιπροσώπευε ένα κλειστό οδοντικό σύµφωνο, το -ντ- (πβ. ξεν. d) και όχι το διαρκές οδοντικό σύµφωνο που προφέρουµε σήµερα. Η λ.δώρον, λ.χ., προφερόταν ως /ddòron/ και όχι ως /δότο)η)/, όπως συνέβαινε και µε την προφορά των β (ως -µπ-) και γ (ως -γκ-). Ωστόσο, ήδηστους χρόνους πριν από τον Χριστό, το δ άρχισε να προφέρεται ως διαρκές σύµφωνο µε τη σηµερινή προφορά. Στο συλλαβογραφικόαλφάβητο τής Γραµµικής γραφής Β (αντίθετα µε ό,τι ίσχυε για τα γράµµατα β και γ) ιδιαίτερο συλλαβόγραµµα δήλωνε το δ και άλλοσυλλαβόγραµµα τα τ και o από κοινού (στο κυπριακό συλλαβάριο και τα τρία οδοντικά τ - δ - o δηλώνονταν µε το ίδιο συλλαβόγραµµα).Μορφικά, το τριγωνικού σχήµατος ∆ τής ελληνικής γραφής στο λατινικό λεγόµενο αλφάβητο (που είναι, στην πραγµατικότητα, το δυτικόελληνικό αλφάβητο τής Χαλκίδας) έλαβε τη µορφή τού D, µε κύρτωση των δύο πλευρών τού τριγώνου. Τέλος, ως προς την ονοµασία τούγράµµατος, οι µελετητές τής ιστορίας τής ελληνικής γραφής συµφωνούν ότι προήλθε από το βορειο-σηµιτικό dâlet (ή dâleth), που σήµαινε«θύρα». Από το d-, το πρώτο γράµµα τού daleth, προήλθε ακροφωνικά ο συµφωνικός φθόγγος [d] (-ντ-).Ως προς την κατάληξη τού δέλτα, το-α (όπως στην περίπτωση των άλφ-α, βήτ-α και γάµµ-ά) είναι κατάληξη που προστέθηκε στην Ελληνική, στην οποία οι λέξεις δεν µπορούσαννα λήγουν σε -φ, σε -o κ.τ.ό.). ΣΧΟΛΙΟ λ. αλφάβητο, γραφή.
words of Byzantine Greek have also great similarities with Albanian
From the book of Aristeidis Kollias 'Language of Gods'. Athens 1989
Albanian
Byzantine Greek
New Greek
nem
nemesao
katarieme
anda
andha no
efharistisi
arë
arura
horafi
bashkë
vask ithi
porevume
dera
thira
porta
bukë
bekos
psomi
ai
ays, ata
autos
deti
thetis
thalassa
dhe,tokë
jea,dhor,dha
ji
edhe
idhe
qe
elbë
alfiton
krithari
enë
enimi
endymasia
errët
erevos
skotadhi
ethe
ethir
piretos
flas
flio,fliarae
milao,omilae
fryma
frimao
fisao,fisima
hedh
heo
rihno
heq,helkj
elko
travao
iki
iko
fevgo
kali
kelis-tos
alogo
kall,djeg
kileo
keo
korr
kiro
therizo
krua,kroi
krunos
vrisi
krye
krithen
qefali
lehem
leho
jenieme
lesh
lasios
malli
lig
ligios
adhinatos
loz
lizo
pezo
lutem
litome
parakalao
marr
marpto
perno
marrë
margos
trelos
me duket
dhokei mi
nomizo
mend
medhome
sqeftome
mëri,mëni
minis
thimos
mi
mis
pondiqi
mjeshtër
mistor
mastoras
mjet
mitos
nima
ndaj,daj
dheo
horizon
ne
noi
emis
nisem
nisome
kseqinao
nuk
ni uk
dhen
nuse
nisos
nifi
para
paros
ebros
për ty
par ti
ja esena
për hapa
apsh
piso
punë
ponos
dhulia
qas,kias
qio,kio
simono
qen
qion
sqilos
re
rea
sinefo
rrah
rahso
dherno
rri
e-ri-dhome
kathome
rroj,rronjë
ronio,ronimi
zo,akmazo
ruaj,rjotar
rrio,rritor
filaso
shkel
skelos
pato
shkop
skipton,skiptro
ravdos
sy,syri
o se, iris
mati
atë, i jati
ata, jetas
pateras
ter
ter so
stegnono
thërres
thireo
fonazo
torrë
tornoo
jiro
udhë
udhos
dhromos,odhos
vanë
van
pigan
vend
ved os
edhafos
verë
vear
kaloqeri
vesa
versi
dhrosos
vesh
ves this
forao
zien
zei
vrazi
mal
ta mala
para poli
etc,etc,etc
one of the best examples that proves that ancient Greek borrowed words from Illyrian-Albanian and not the opposite is the old.Greek word for the 'eye'
which is ' ΙΡΙΣ ' (IRIS)
according to many modern linguists people tend to pronounce words backwards and the word ' IRIS ' is the Albanian word ' SYRI ' backwards!
the root word in Albanian is ' SY ' (eye) and the -RI ending is the article so ' SY-RI ' (the-eye).
Albanian and Greek have different place for their articles, in Albanian are always as endings of the words, while in Greek are in front of the words
-'sy(RI)' <article in Alb. '' Sy, - Syri, - Sytë ''
-'( I ) iris ' < article in Greek. '' Ιρις, - Η Ιρις, - οι Ιριδες ''
-english '' Eye, - The Eye - The Eyes ''
that means the Greek word contains both the Albanian article -RI and that of the Greek language ' I '
Since when language makes all the culture. What about food, music, tools and common items, tradition, religion, gestures, cloths, farming and fishing, lifestyle, etc?Albanian and modern Greek have not many similarities
but Albanian and old. Greek especially Doric Greek have many similarities and common words that are not even found in modern Greek
Since when language makes all the culture. What about food, music, tools and common items, tradition, religion, gestures, cloths, farming and fishing, lifestyle, etc?
hahahah
The book of A Kollia is the most funny,
All over the world linguists laugh with his book,
He wanted to prove that Homer spoke Albanian,
and he proved that Albanians speak German,
Θυρ Homer
Dera Albanian like English Door, not even Celtic port
πορτα Latin import/loan to Greek (for inner doors) correct θυρα see θυρωρος θυροτηλεφωνο
Εως Ηως Ηomer
Dita Albanian like Day Dia etc etc
want more about Kollia?
the man was a jork, no one takes him seriously, except Albanian Ultra Nationalists, and those who were kidnapped by Alliens
And since you know Doric,
tell me how is language in Doric?
lets see more
sea
Homer Αλς Αλως Αλαττα/Αλασσα
Alb Deti
Greek Θαλαττα/Θαλασσα
not again the joke of Kollia
Please not another flame war between Albanians and greeks. Also, there is the problem that after a long post, for sure will happen a glitch and everything will be lost.
Albanian and Greek share a decent amount of Indo-European lexical isoglosses. Albanian has had some influence from Greek, starting from ancient times already with a few specifically Northwest Greek loans and Greek has had some influence from Albanian, in late medieval and Ottoman times. Neither is that significant and Albanian in particular has been much more strongly influenced by Latin.
As Nik mentioned already, they're both members of the Balkan sprachbund (wiki has an article on that) alongside other Balkan languages so they have some grammatical features in common.
What LAB posted is mostly confused if not outright pseudo-etymological and ignores Greek contact with Phoenicians, as well.
Last week thanks to Graecopithicus we've seen that eventually there is a possibility the human race developed in Balkans and not in Africa,
I think it's exactly the same with languages, soon or later the world will understand more about the language evolution not because of a tremendous archaeological discovery, but because they will change the way they approach languages, and in our case
the way you and many others approach Albanian language.
I speak Albanian language and also i speak Greek, and it is so clear for me to see the truth, which in your ears comes as ''nationalism''
You say that Greeks had contact with Phoenicians,
While through Albanian language and the letters it includes we can understand that alphabets created from the movement of the sun,
Albanian language has around 785 monosyllabic words, while Greek has only 9
Albanian language has 7 vowels (a,e,ë,h,i,o,y)
while Greek and most IE languages have 5 (a,e,i,o,u*)
in fact Greek alphabet for a strange reason has 7 vowel-letters but the pronunciation of ( η , ι , υ ) is the same ' iiiii ' and also ( o , ω ) is 'ooo' so 3 letters for the sound ' iiii ' and 2 letters for the sound ' ooo ' ,
why did they create more than one letter for the same sound? it's nonsense.
unless if the original sound of those letters has been lost.
in Albanian language 1 vowel and 1 consonant can give words, hence why there are so many short words in it.
i mentioned earlier an example with the word 'Sy' and how it became ' Ιρις' in Greek
the root word is made from just 1 vowel and 1 consonant S + Y > SY (eye)
adding the article to it we have ' Syri ' (the eye)
in Greek language it became ' Iris ', which is the original word+article backwards and it's not pseudo-etymology because the examples are many, while in Greek language there are not any proper etymologies.
Ι said earlier that Albanian must get a different approach for studying it properly and this is the best example at least for me,
GR. Ακρο ουδ.
New Latin acro- (“pointed, first, high”) (from Ancient Greek ἄκρος (ákros, “highest, at the extremity”))
Origin of acro- Expand
< Greek, combining form of ákros topmost, highest; akin to Latin ācer sharp. Cf. acme, ear2
το τελευταίο σημείο, το έσχατο, το ακραίο σημείο
μη με οδηγείς στα άκρα (σε σημείο που υπερβαίνει τα όρια της υπομονής μου)
ένα από τα τέσσερα ακραία μέλη του σώματος, δηλαδή τα χέρια ή τα πόδια
τραυματίσθηκε σοβαρά στα κάτω άκρα
ALB. Krah
Pronunciation[ kɾa ]
From Proto-Albanian *krau, intermediate *krosko (*-sko- > h), from Proto-Indo-European *ḱreh2u-,*ḱruh2- 'limb' (compare Latin crus (“limb”))[1], or from Proto-Indo-European *kroh₁-, full-grade of the root *kreh₁- (“to sieve, separate”), hence Proto-Slavic *krajь 'end, region'.
AKR-o - vs - KRA-h
The word in Greek as we know has several meanings, 'arms' and ' legs 'are called ' Ακρα'
in Albanian we have the same meaning more or less for the word ' Krah '
and we can suggest that one of the 2 is an anagram of the other one, just like the word i mentioned earlier.
the way to prove that Albanian has the original word is again unique and no other languages can get similar approach.
-this is the Phaistos disc
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2212036/images/o-PHAISTOS-DISC-facebook.jpg
-And this is a symbol from the disc that shows a 'man walking' or the 'human body'
http://prntscr.com/fcn82i
letters are the evolution of symbols,
so we can be 99.9% sure that the symbol of the human body is represented from the modern letter ' K '
the shape of this symbol (human body) and letter ' K ' are matching, not difficult to understand.
the only thing it's missing, it's the link, which i call Albanian language.
Basic body parts in Albanian
-Kokë or Krye
-Qafë [Kiafë] ( k > q, as it does in some old inscriptions..)
-Kafkë
-Krah
-Kurriz
-Kraharor
-Kërbishti
-Kockë
-Kar
-Kofshë
-Këmbë
-Kërci
-Kyç
Same body parts in Greek
-Κεφαλη
-Σβερκος
-Κρανιο
-Ακρο
-Πλατη
-Στηθος
-Κοκκυξ
-Κοκκαλο
-Πεος
-Μπουτι
-Ποδι
-Κνημη
-Κλειδα
Same body parts in English
-Head
-Neck
-Skull
-Arm
-Back
-Chest k>c ?
-Coccyx k>c ?
-Bone
-Penis
-Thigh
-Leg
-Shin
-Clavicle k>c ?
If we make a timetable with the symbol on the Phaistos disc on one end and English language on the other end as the newest language among the 3, Albanian is the only language that preserves the words in their ancient form, because it CANNOT be a coincidence that all the basic body parts in Albanian start with ' K ' , while in Greek only the half and in English NONE.
So you might reconsider the theories that want all languages to have changed during times, and when you do that you will be able to accept the translation through Albanian language of ancient inscriptions that so far have no proper translations through other I.E languages.
And if you want to put Phoenicians in the game as well, we know that the word for the ' Hand ' in Phoenician language was ' KHAP '
https://prnt.sc/fcpj9n
in Albanian ' KAP ' means ' Catch ' (lat. capere) so one more word starting with ' K ' and supporting our theory.
The word for the hand in Albanian starts with ' D ' ' Dorë '
the ancient Egyptian hieroglyph for the letter ' D ' was symbolised with a 'hand'
http://prntscr.com/fcppfn
so i'm asking you..
which language has borrowed words and which is that, that has the original Proto.I.E words ?
why 'kap' comes from 'capere' and not the opposite?
the linguists you're based on say that Albanian has 90% of it's words borrowed from Latin,
why to me sounds nonsense ? since we have plenty of examples as the one above.
Last week thanks to Graecopithicus we've seen that eventually there is a possibility the human race developed in Balkans and not in Africa,
I think it's exactly the same with languages, soon or later the world will understand more about the language evolution not because of a tremendous archaeological discovery, but because they will change the way they approach languages, and in our case
the way you and many others approach Albanian language.
I speak Albanian language and also i speak Greek, and it is so clear for me to see the truth, which in your ears comes as ''nationalism''
You say that Greeks had contact with Phoenicians,
While through Albanian language and the letters it includes we can understand that alphabets created from the movement of the sun,
Albanian language has around 785 monosyllabic words, while Greek has only 9
Albanian language has 7 vowels (a,e,ë,h,i,o,y)
while Greek and most IE languages have 5 (a,e,i,o,u*)
in fact Greek alphabet for a strange reason has 7 vowel-letters but the pronunciation of ( η , ι , υ ) is the same ' iiiii ' and also ( o , ω ) is 'ooo' so 3 letters for the sound ' iiii ' and 2 letters for the sound ' ooo ' ,
why did they create more than one letter for the same sound? it's nonsense.
unless if the original sound of those letters has been lost.
in Albanian language 1 vowel and 1 consonant can give words, hence why there are so many short words in it.
i mentioned earlier an example with the word 'Sy' and how it became ' Ιρις' in Greek
the root word is made from just 1 vowel and 1 consonant S + Y > SY (eye)
adding the article to it we have ' Syri ' (the eye)
in Greek language it became ' Iris ', which is the original word+article backwards and it's not pseudo-etymology because the examples are many, while in Greek language there are not any proper etymologies.
Ι said earlier that Albanian must get a different approach for studying it properly and this is the best example at least for me,
GR. Ακρο ουδ.
New Latin acro- (“pointed, first, high”) (from Ancient Greek ἄκρος (ákros, “highest, at the extremity”))
Origin of acro- Expand
< Greek, combining form of ákros topmost, highest; akin to Latin ācer sharp. Cf. acme, ear2
το τελευταίο σημείο, το έσχατο, το ακραίο σημείο
μη με οδηγείς στα άκρα (σε σημείο που υπερβαίνει τα όρια της υπομονής μου)
ένα από τα τέσσερα ακραία μέλη του σώματος, δηλαδή τα χέρια ή τα πόδια
τραυματίσθηκε σοβαρά στα κάτω άκρα
ALB. Krah
Pronunciation[ kɾa ]
From Proto-Albanian *krau, intermediate *krosko (*-sko- > h), from Proto-Indo-European *ḱreh2u-,*ḱruh2- 'limb' (compare Latin crus (“limb”))[1], or from Proto-Indo-European *kroh₁-, full-grade of the root *kreh₁- (“to sieve, separate”), hence Proto-Slavic *krajь 'end, region'.
AKR-o - vs - KRA-h
The word in Greek as we know has several meanings, 'arms' and ' legs 'are called ' Ακρα'
in Albanian we have the same meaning more or less for the word ' Krah '
and we can suggest that one of the 2 is an anagram of the other one, just like the word i mentioned earlier.
the way to prove that Albanian has the original word is again unique and no other languages can get similar approach.
-this is the Phaistos disc
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2212036/images/o-PHAISTOS-DISC-facebook.jpg
-And this is a symbol from the disc that shows a 'man walking' or the 'human body'
http://prntscr.com/fcn82i
letters are the evolution of symbols,
so we can be 99.9% sure that the symbol of the human body is represented from the modern letter ' K '
the shape of this symbol (human body) and letter ' K ' are matching, not difficult to understand.
the only thing it's missing, it's the link, which i call Albanian language.
Basic body parts in Albanian
-Kokë or Krye
-Qafë [Kiafë] ( k > q, as it does in some old inscriptions..)
-Kafkë
-Krah
-Kurriz
-Kraharor
-Kërbishti
-Kockë
-Kar
-Kofshë
-Këmbë
-Kërci
-Kyç
Same body parts in Greek
-Κεφαλη
-Σβερκος
-Κρανιο
-Ακρο
-Πλατη
-Στηθος
-Κοκκυξ
-Κοκκαλο
-Πεος
-Μπουτι
-Ποδι
-Κνημη
-Κλειδα
Same body parts in English
-Head
-Neck
-Skull
-Arm
-Back
-Chest k>c ?
-Coccyx k>c ?
-Bone
-Penis
-Thigh
-Leg
-Shin
-Clavicle k>c ?
If we make a timetable with the symbol on the Phaistos disc on one end and English language on the other end as the newest language among the 3, Albanian is the only language that preserves the words in their ancient form, because it CANNOT be a coincidence that all the basic body parts in Albanian start with ' K ' , while in Greek only the half and in English NONE.
So you might reconsider the theories that want all languages to have changed during times, and when you do that you will be able to accept the translation through Albanian language of ancient inscriptions that so far have no proper translations through other I.E languages.
And if you want to put Phoenicians in the game as well, we know that the word for the ' Hand ' in Phoenician language was ' KHAP '
https://prnt.sc/fcpj9n
in Albanian ' KAP ' means ' Catch ' (lat. capere) so one more word starting with ' K ' and supporting our theory.
The word for the hand in Albanian starts with ' D ' ' Dorë '
the ancient Egyptian hieroglyph for the letter ' D ' was symbolised with a 'hand'
http://prntscr.com/fcppfn
so i'm asking you..
which language has borrowed words and which is that, that has the original Proto.I.E words ?
why 'kap' comes from 'capere' and not the opposite?
the linguists you're based on say that Albanian has 90% of it's words borrowed from Latin,
why to me sounds nonsense ? since we have plenty of examples as the one above.
LAB plz
modern urban Greek sprunk from Thracian idiom uses 5 vowels,
in country side we use more.
and correct Greek has 7+2+5 vowels including dipthongs and long trill alveovars (liguids)
so your mention that Greek has 5 vowels
is clear that is from guys that go to late night shows and say about alliens,
stop reading Kollia,
his work is worthy only as a deposit, a tank, nothing more
do not play the game of kruaz and χαραζω-γραφω- κρουω
is not scientific,
just notice this,
North IE D turns to south IE Θ in Greek
its a rule,
so Dera and Θυρα show clearly that both have nothing to do with each other
also Deti and Θετις and Als, the Homer writes 'παρα Θιν' Αλος'
as also Alb Dita Slav Dan
I know from where you took these you are posting,
I do not want you to believe me,
but ask other non Greek non Albanian to tell you how wrong it is
as for ακρο and krah first find the word ακις-ακιδος
PS
there was a book based on Kollia, saying that Albanian was mother of Homeric and all IE languages
all these are from this book
before you read it, I suggest ask a non Greek and a non Albanian how serious it is,
as for Greacopithecus it is a significant discovery,
but still not taxated clearly as hominid or as ape.
and we do not know if it survived to evolute to human.
more findings and if it possible genetics will show
Ok dude, let's make a proper dialogue better instead of monologues
First of all, honestly i've never read books of Kollias, the book he wrote 'Language of Gods' i can understand it explains the names of the gods from the Pelasgian mythology, but i don't need to read his book to understand them so... haha
but anyways, i just used these words to compare Albanian-byzantine Gr.-new Greek
so you're saying that my approach it's not scientific,
but after that you're saying that 'Homer writes'
you do know that the texts of Homeric poems are dating from 11th century A.D yeh?
what Homer wrote originally we will never find out.
the oldest piece from Homer's poems is from 3rd century B.C, and it's only a small part of Iliad, and of course even that it's not the original one.
both works from him are written and re-written and re-written again and again, and the oldest completed ones we have are from
11th century A.D(Byzantine)
hence, whoever wants to make a 'scientific approach' doesn't says 'Homer writes' but he calls them 'Byzantine Greek'
Apart from Kollias of course there are many books saying that Albanian is the mother of I.E languages,
here's one more which i'm reading at the moment.
Z. MAYANI, Les Etrusques commencent a parler, Collections signes de temps, 11 [Paris, 1961],
who argues for Albanian as the 'root' tongue
'akro' from 'akis' does not convince anyone since there's the Albanian word 'Krah' with the same meaning and it starts with 'K' for a reason that i explained very well, saying only 'akro' from 'akis' sounds like a suggestion or a theory, while my suggestion that 'akro' is an anagram of 'krah' stands better if we want to be logic of course and leave our national pride aside.
As I've said Albanian should get a different approach because it's a language that has it's words categorised relatively with their meaning,
the human body parts are categorised for the simple reason that you cannot deny, the man of 2000 b.c and beyond had not such a developed brain as we have today, so categorising words according with their meaning was a way of memorising them easier.
Albanian language has around 45,000 - 50,000 words if i'm right
Greek gathered all together the words has around 170,000 and around 10,000 of them were created from Babiniotis.
But such a big difference between the 2 languages and Albanian has more vowels and more consonants than Greek.
Because Greek has 5 vowels and not 7, you have 7 letter-vowels but the sound you pronounce the ( η , ι , υ) is exactly the same, ' iiiii '
and the same is the sound for the letters ( ο , ω ) ' oooo '
Vowels of Greek language
A Pronounced like ''apple'' and ''father''. -------->1
E Pronounced like ''elk'' or ''tent''.----------------->2
H Pronounced like ''eel'' or ''feet''. --------------->3
I Pronounced the same as ' H '
O Pronounced like "hope" and "hop'' ------------>4
Y Pronounced the same as ' H ' and ' I '.
Ω Pronounced the same as ' O '.
Ου* Pronounced like ''group'' or ''look'' --------->5
https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Greek_vowels
As you can read on that link the original sound of the letters has been lost in modern Greek,
so ancient Greeks created an alphabet with 7 vowels, and Albanian language today has also 7 vowels.
Maybe that's why Z.Kopidakis on his book 'The history of Greek language'' says that
''Greek was based on a brunch of another I.E language''
something like this maybe..
http://www.mpi.nl/news/TreeoflanguagefamiliesMichaelDunnScience.jpg
http://www.sciencemag.org/sites/default/files/images/sn-languages672H.jpg
Vowels of Albanian language
Α Pronounced like ''father'', Spanish ''casa'' ------->1
E Pronounced like ''bed'' ------------------------------>2
Ë Pronounced like ''about'', ''the'' -------------------->3
I Pronounced like ''seed'' ------------------------------>4
O Pronounced like ''law'' ------------------------------>5
Y Pronounced like French ''tu'', German ''über''----->6
U Pronounced like ''boot''------------------------------->7
Let's see how Albanian language uses it's vowels on the monosyllabic root-words
A - Ι -------------'εκεινος,αυτος' > in ancient Greece was 'Αυς' pronounced ' AIS ' (see below)
AJ - Ο ------------'εκεινη,αυτη'
AT - A ----------- 'εκεινοι,αυτοι' > possible word of the Tarantinians ' ATA ' ? ( -//- )
AT - 'j'E ----------'εκει'
AT - Ë ------------'εκεινον,αυτον'
AT - I 'j' ---------'εκεινου,αυτουνου'
AT - Y ------------' εκει '
the Greek word 'Αυτος' in ancient Greece.
ΑΥΤΟΝ. Επλανήθην, όταν έλεγα ****) ότι η λέξις παράγεται από το Αυς, αυτός το Αυτός τούτο του Ησυχίου δεν είναι γενική του Αυς, αλλ' ή αναφορική αντωνυμία. Αυτός, την οποίαντινές του δωρικού γένους επρόφεραν.Αυς. Το Αυτίον είναι από το Ωτίον, κατά τροπήν (δωρικήν και ταύτην) του Ω εις την ΑΥ δίφθογγου, ώς έλεγαν και Σαντορία αντί του Σωτηρία Β). Οι Ταραντίνο, το έτρεπαν εις μόνον το Α. «Ατα, ώτα, Ταραντίνοι», λέγει ο Ησύχιος όθεν ακολούθως και, "Αντίον, το υποκοριτικόν. Ούτως έγραφαν και Πράτος αντί του Πρώτος.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...UAhVHBsAKHSZiCx0Q6AEIJDAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
I agree with you. I think Nik explained very well this issue.THERE IS NO CHANCE GREEK TO SPRUNK FROM ALBANIAN,
I don't agree with you. Albanians are authocthonus in their land. I don't know a single case when Albanians have replaced, killed, exterminated or assimilated other ethnic groups. I can prove that this horrible crimes were committed against Albanians from your country and Serbia, with the intention of extermination of the Albanians as a nation. I will not ask you to elaborate your "theory" because i have not read one single post from you that can be considered a serious post.SINCE ALBANIAN LANGUAGE IS NOT AUTOCHTHONUS IN BALKANS, BUT NORTHEN IE LANGUAGE,
If I can intervene, as an Albanian I dont agree with Lab if he's really claiming that Albanian is the mother of the IE languages, nor that Greek sprung from Albanian, but Yetos you're not really tackling most of his claims and focusing only on the weak speculations of his beliefs/theory.
That Albanian was connected to Ancient Greek seems like a very plausible idea because Ancient Greek (just like Byzantine and Modern Greek) spread to many non-Greeks and obviously was influenced by many non-Greek languages since antiquity before it became a lingua franca during the peak of the Hellenic Civilization (which was again a mix of several civilization just like every other civilization in the world).
Albanian just happens to be a language strongly related to the northern Ancient Greek neighbours and that shouldn't threaten your modern nationalistic feelings just because you believe Albanians stole Northern Epirus or came as criminals in Greece in the last 20 years. We're covering a period of at least 4000 years here.
Similarly, I'm not threatened by Ancient Greek as it was a beautiful language that sprung by a very strong and sophisticated group of people that spread their power like no other Indo-European group did. Whoever the Ancient Greek civilization touched and absorbed, it turned their cities/regions into rich and beautiful modern museum materials that lasted until today.
@Yetos said SINCE ALBANIAN LANGUAGE IS NOT AUTOCHTHONUS IN BALKANS, BUT NORTHEN IE LANGUAGE,Back in 1913 after the Albanian proclamation of independence from Ottoman empire there were some countries like Greece, Serbia and Montenegro allied and started claiming that Albanians were not autochthonus in Balkans but they were Turkish leftovers instead.what these 3 countries wanted was just Albanian territories so they could expand their own ones.Greece wanted Epirus , (took the half of it)Serbia wanted Kosovo and Montenegro occupied the northern part of Albania the rest are history which everyone can easily find in the internet.You're obviously still living back in 1913 and not in 2017, This study from journals.plos is just showing that you don't know much about Albanians.http://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1001555#pbio-1001555-t001on this part of the study there's the reference about Albanians and Albanian language.The highest levels of IBD sharing are found in the Albanian-speaking individuals (from Albania and Kosovo), an increase in common ancestry deriving from the last 1,500 years. This suggests that a reasonable proportion of the ancestors of modern-day Albanian speakers (at least those represented in POPRES) are drawn from a relatively small, cohesive population that has persisted for at least the last 1,500 years. These individuals share similar but slightly higher numbers of common ancestors with nearby populations than do individuals in other parts of Europe (see Figure S3), implying that these Albanian speakers have not been a particularly isolated population so much as a small one. Furthermore, our Greek and Macedonian samples share much higher numbers of common ancestors with Albanian speakers than with other neighbors, possibly a result of historical migrations, or else perhaps smaller effects of the Slavic expansion in these populations. It is also interesting to note that the sampled Italians share nearly as much IBD with Albanian speakers as with each other. The Albanian language is a Indo-European language without other close relatives [53] that persisted through periods when neighboring languages were strongly influenced by Latin or Greek, suggesting an intriguing link between linguistic and genealogical history in this case.-Θετα-In Ancient Greek, θ represented the aspiratedvoiceless dental plosive/t̪ʰ/, but in Modern Greek it represents the voiceless dental fricative/θ/.In its archaic form, θ was written as a cross within a circle (as in the Etruscan or ), and later, as a line or point in circle ( or ). Archaic crossed forms of theta are seen in the wheel letters of Linear A and Linear B.i'm not a linguist so i would like someone to explain what Yetos says about D and Θ , because it doesn't makes sense saying that D is not Θ when we have the examples belowΘυρα > DeraΘετις > Detiθέ να γράφω > do me shkrubut also from Greek mythology there is the Mountain goat called Amalthea ( Αμάλθια ) so if D > Θ the word must have beenAmaldia or Amaldhia where A - MAL (mountain,Alb) - Dhia (Goat,Alb)the name Διας of course it's not of Greek origin as Yetos claims, and it's the same rule as with the words above based on the etymologies of Spiro Konda where again we see D > Θ Demeter (Δημήτηρ)The name Demeter is made up of two words, from ‘de’ and ‘meter’. The word ‘de’ was pronounced ‘de’ imitially, and later it was pronounced as ‘dhe’, thus, Demeter= Dhemeter. The meaning of the compound word is indicated as Dhe, meaning in current Albanians ‘earth’, and the original IE word meter=mother (mata in Sanskrit). Thus, Demeter=Dhemeter=Earth Mother. In Greek, the pronunciation varied according to the dialects, Damater (Doric), Domater (Aeolic)…According to Diodor, Egyptian priests believed that “the earth, as the common womb of all production, they called Metera, as the Greeks in process of time…called the earth Demetra, which anciently was called Gen Metera, or the mother earth, as Orpheus attests in this verse:The mother earth, Demeter also call’d,Brings forth most richly. (Diodorus Siculus, I, p. 20, London, 1814)The Greeks were not aware of the meaning of the word ‘de’ because the compound word “Demeter” is not in Greek but in a pre-Greek language.Zeus (Ζεύς) De (see above) became de-a in feminine form and de-u in masculine form. Just like de-a is mother of all, so is de-u father of all. The Greeks took dea and deu and changed them to thea (θεά) and theos (θεάς ), respectively. But the terms had lost their original meaning of Dheu=earth and were thought of as gods/goddesses. The Latins also took the terms from the Pelasgians and added us to de, creating de-us which changed to Zeus. And, besides “the mother” was also born “Zeus, father of men and gods”, in line with the concept “earth, mother of all” (as inferred in Diodorus passage). Pausania makes the connection even clearer: Zeus was, Zeus is and will be, mighty Zeus! Earth gives us fruits, hence call on mother earth.” (Pausanias, III, Cha. X, p.135, London, 1794) The Latin version transforms “Deupater” to De-jupiter, and then to Jupiter. As the meaning of ‘Deu’ was deified, the meaning of “born from earth” changed to “born from god’. Now only the base word “Deus” continued to be used and it signified the supreme deity. Hesychius of Alexandria in his lexicon indicates that “Pellasgians called the deity ‘Dipatyron’ which in today’s Albanian appears as Perendi. Its morphology is explained as follows: If the suffix is dropped dipatyr remains, Dipatyr=Depater=De-at (which in Albanian means father). De pater corresponds to Pater-de (this use is observed in Homer (O Zeus pater… – O father Zeus…), thus, Pater=per, de=di, which join to form Per-di=Perendi. This Pelasgian word would convey the original concept of “the earth is my father”.DEU (masculine) > ΘΕΟςDEA (feminine) > ΘΕΑ or ΓΑΙΑ (feminine for the 'Goddess of Earth')i don't understand your point on saying that Κofshë = μηρος and not μπουτι.what i'm saying is that basic body parts on Albanian start with ' K ' for a reason, which in Greek is lost by 50% and only half of them start with 'K'and for a strange reason the word 'Akro' seems to be an anagram of the word 'Krah' since only in Albanian basic body parts starting with 'K' and probably can be related with a symbol from ancient symbolic languages.p.s i didnt take anything from anyone, i'm the same guy(Kaonian) who posted the basic body parts of Albanian on Zeus's site,which is not something i figured out personally, my personal opinion is that they start with 'K' because of the symbol on the Phaistos disc looks like 'K' and it's shaped from the 'human body' of course that's not the only symbol that we can relate with Albanian language,and i haven't read Kollias book yet, but of course you use that as your only argument.
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