Do Italians look more like Spaniards/Portuguese, or Greeks?

[Ferreira]

I do. That's why I presented you the study from Cruciani et al. 2004 where French people show more E-M81.

It's not true. There are regions in Spain with 20% percentage of E-M81, even in your study, which is very limited sample. Impossible get 20% in France.

Your link. In overall in France is very scarce, only in Paris is more abundant (probably for inmigration to Paris since centuries ago).


My link

 

[Carlitos]

What cross another agent distorting reality, putting photos of tanned Spanish to show that we are not Europeans! Truly the way this guy is acting Ferreira modus operandi is similar to the typical South American sneaks into a forum to attack, in order complexed poor devil! Can never be a white man, because these people then presumed American forums and put photos of white-looking South American Spanish.

Ferreira when speaking of Andalusia wash your mouth out with soap. On the other hand find out in the pictures below what the Spanish ...

as you will see is a ridiculous test that fits perfectly into its forms.


Stop talking crap, the Spanish we are like the Spanish, the people of North Africa or the Middle East are spectacular great cultures, Northern Europe as well, so stop making a fool of in public and show your complex, "accuse "the Spanish of being Spanish.

 

[Ferreira]

That's not really true, sorry. there are two hypotheses, one that you have cited, and the other, more likely, it came with the Muslim invasion in the Middle Ages. In any case it is of Berber origin, and that explains your anger. But that is not my problem.

 

[Wilhelm]

It's not true. There are regions in Spain with 20% percentage of E-M81, even in your study, which is very limited sample. Impossible get 20% in France.

Your link. In overall in France is very scarce, only in Paris is more abundant (probably for inmigration to Paris since centuries ago).
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My link

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That map is not from any scientific study. And it's not true the french sample is not from Paris, it's from different regions, like Auvergne, Lyon, French basques, etc.

 

[Ferreira]

genetic research shows that approximately 5% of the Spanish population belongs to haplogroup E, subclade E-M81. That genetic researchs are not mine! Sorry, but you can not deny the scientific evidence, or pay the rage, if you have it, with me. Again, genetic studies have not been made by me!

 

[Carlitos]

That's not really true, sorry. there are two hypotheses, one that you have cited, and the other, more likely, it came with the Muslim invasion in the Middle Ages. In any case it is of Berber origin, and that explains your anger. But that is not my problem.

What are you talking about now?

Now I'm going to dinner, so maybe then I said, you are so self-conscious.

 

[Wilhelm]

genetic research shows that approximately 5% of the Spanish population belongs to haplogroup E, subclade E-M81. That genetic researchs are not mine! Sorry, but you can not deny the scientific evidence, or pay the rage, if you have it, with me. Again, genetic studies have not been made by me!

Which is the same level as in France. So what ? These are y-dna frequencies, not levels of adxmiture (autosomal).

 

[Ferreira]

41% haplogroup E, subclade E-M81 in Valle del Pas (Cantabria). Awesome!!!! It's only superior in Central Sahara.

 

[Wilhelm]

41% haplogroup E, subclade E-M81 in Valle del Pas (Cantabria). Awesome!!!! It's only superior in Central Sahara.

But autosomally (whole ancestry) they cluster with Northern Spaniards and Basques. WOW !! They are so moorish !!

 

[iapetoc]

carlitos the photo with burka?

to see what?

a beutifull muslim face?
or to compare? :grin:

 

[Ferreira]

For those who are really interested in the Haplogroup E. Very good article

http://www.genebase.com/learning/article/2

 

[Wilhelm]

In fact, now that you talk about Pasiegos, some studies connect them with Northern Europeans, because of their unusual high levels of R1a and other mtDNA haplogroups , see here :

" Congruent with this second hypothesis is a study on MHC class II polymorphisms
that closely relate Pasiegos to Danes, Poles and Germans rather than to non-Pasiego Cantabrians

(S?anchez-Velasco et al. 1999, 2003)."

Another :

" The second
component points to some kind of relationship between
Cantabrians and Northern Europeans. It could be explained
as a result of the well documented waves of
Northern tribes that, throughout the Pyrenees, have repeatedly
invaded the Iberian Peninsula since prehistoric
times. R-SRY10831b frequencies in Pasiegos (18%) are
only surpassed, in a European context, by northeastern
populations (Scozzari et al. 2001), but direct influences
from this area are weakened by the lack in Pasiegos of
N-TatC which is also highly frequent in those populations "

 

[Cambrius (The Red)]

It's not true. There are regions in Spain with 20% percentage of E-M81, even in your study, which is very limited sample. Impossible get 20% in France.

Your link. In overall in France is very scarce, only in Paris is more abundant (probably for inmigration to Paris since centuries ago).
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Genetic studies only use (fully) indigenous subjects in sample pools. Anyone who is mixed-race cannot be included.

 

[Canek]

Gervasion Deffer is ARGENTINIAN.

This discussion is stupid. Spaniards do not look italian... they look like moors.

 

[Cambrius (The Red)]

genetic research shows that approximately 5% of the Spanish population belongs to haplogroup E, subclade E-M81. That genetic researchs are not mine! Sorry, but you can not deny the scientific evidence, or pay the rage, if you have it, with me. Again, genetic studies have not been made by me!

Haplogroups are only a small part of the DNA portrait. You don't know much about population genetics, do you?

 

[Ferreira]

http://www.genebase.com/learning/article/2


Distribution of subclades E in Europe, Africa and Middle East.



As I had said yet, Spain has the same distribution than in Morocco (M81). France is an intermediate result, although is bigger M78, and italia, Central Europa and Balkans have the same distribution of subclades than in Middle East (M78).

Sorry boys, but Genetics don`t lie.

 

[Cambrius (The Red)]

Gervasion Deffer is ARGENTINIAN.

This discussion is stupid. Spaniards do not look italian... they look like moors.

Ahhh...the peanut gallery is now making idiotic comments. LMAO!!

 

[Cambrius (The Red)]

http://www.genebase.com/learning/article/2


Distribution of subclades E in Europe, Africa and Middle East.

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As I had said yet, Spain has the same distribution than in Morocco (M81). France is an intermediate result, although is bigger M78, and italia, Central Europa and Balkans have the same distribution of subclades than in Middle East (M78).

Sorry boys, but Genetics don`t lie.

Polly want a cracker? All native Iberians cluster with each other, the French and N. Italians. All autosomal research shows this. Enough already!

 

[iapetoc]

why don't we open a thread abot Spanic E Y-Dna , instead of using this?

 

[Cambrius (The Red)]

why don't we open a thread abot Spanic E Y-Dna , instead of using this?

Wonderful idea.