Politics Should Crimea be an independent country? (Russian-Ukrainian conflict)

[Vedun]

the theory of oil ending oil is old,

the 'new' deposits in meditterenean are about to be drilled,
from Israel/Gaza to Croatia the deposits are consider tremendous,
I heard even about 400 years the needs of EU as today,
North sea deposits might be nothing infront that of Leviathan and south of Attaleia,
we may even see industrial map of Europe change and goind south, except if coal returns or more nuclear use to fullfill the demand,

the Ukraine case seems to be like the chess move of Syria,
remember Putin deny any invasion in Syrria, and protect Hassant,
that costs to USA reputation, guns, etc etc until the run out of control of IS.
so USA respond by pushing West Ukrainians to a fast revolt, next to Russia, to show who is in 'command'
but the revolt took days, and gave enough time to Russians to regatherer and plan the new policy,
so West lost the blietzkrieg tactic spending time, while with fast referendums and elections could easily be strategical winner, with small loses or (although little chances in Crimea) none.

Crimea is like the Pearl Harbor, the Annapolis, the Pensacolla the EARL NJ, to USA,

They - "Semites" (derives from the Bharatian "Sanskrit" word Manu Smriti (Smritic); "men of awarness, tradition, desire" (in Slavic (Man; Ukrainian word for a "face" & "smrti" as "Death"; "People of Death"...(followed the inverted Vedic laws of Manu Smriti, which was corrupted into the "semitic" (Abrahamic (Against Brahmanic); this includes earliest Yazidic tribes of the Kurus (Kurds; Kurus + Arabic (A-Rava; A-Ravean; Ravanas; Rephaim,...) cross breeds), who 'switched' to the cult of Patala (Nagaloka) and Asuras (this tradition remained in Islamic "Ashura" self-flogging... or Osirian (Osiris) cults from which came later Christianity, Judaism and Islam... (Mohamed was a 'spy' from Vatican, who was infiltrated into the society of Sabeans (Saveans; Shiveans; Shiva) & Meccans (who worshipped Allah long time before this deity became "Islamic" as we know it today)) have a plan for all Kurus tribes, including for- "Croatia (descendants of the Vedic Borean(Bharati) tribe of Kurus, from the battle of Kurukshetra (this is also the name of Russian city of Kursk (Kurusk) & Karpatian mountains(=KuruPata), Kurds (Kurus) & Crimeans (Kuruma)...
The next Kurukshetra war (Mega (Maha-bhaRata) will happen in Russia and Ukraine... around the Black sea; as it happened 7500 years ago - when the Kali (kalna (muddy water), "kill" (penetration; "through" (dirty, arrogant)- era (kala)) - KALI YUGA(Vek) started...

http://www.arabnews.com/news/economy/614851

 

[Vedun]

"Crimea is like the Pearl Harbor, the Annapolis, the Pensacolla the EARL NJ, to USA,"

Several 'services' are extremelly interested into this area, not only because of its strategic location around the Sea of Azov (As; "Os"; Osi; Axises; Ais, As; "god"(axises; planets)... Black sea is the location of the 'legendary' Atlantean people (this is where the Ukrainian real name - Antes comes from; this surname survived also in Croatian form as "Antić, Ante...")

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Ukraine

Shiva (Swiatovit, Sviatovid, Svetovid; prince Swiatoslav was named after his protector - God (Godi(years(cycles of Bogi) were replaced by Saints) Sviatovid...)

 

[Ike]

El Horsto, it is true, I have no evidence regarding the authenticity of the chocolate. However, the question is about the political atmosphere in Russia. Putin (who is supported by 85% of the population or so) wants to create “Russian Word” which extends beyond the current borders of Russia.

Understandable, since NATO has no intention of backing up from it's original purpose, and is intensively spreading towards Russia, eating country by country.

It seems that any means are good for the purpose. Putin himself mentioned earlier this week that his army can take over Kiev in a matter of two weeks.

He said that they could have, if they wanted, and he also said that they don't want to do it. And we all know that Russia could do it, with or without Putin. We don't need Putin to tell us that.

Whereas Zhirinovsky (MP, leader of the second popular party in theRussian Parliament) repeatedly voices out that the Baltic states and Poland deserves to be occupied or destroyed.

No he doesn't. He is accusing them of enormous Russophobia, and he's predicted that if they continue with that behavior that could lead them through series of events which would leave them occupied or destroyed. I don't even remember if he meant occupied by Russia or by NATO...

In April 2013 he said that the Baltic states deserve to be occupied and they can be destroyed in a matter of 5 minutes (the time needed for missiles from Russia to reach Baltic states - he explicitly mentioned that). In August of 2014 he again said that the Baltic states and Poland are doomed, they will be erased from the earth’s surface.These statements are authentic. In any other country, apart, perhaps, from the North Korea, such public statements would be deemed as warmongering and persecuted by law, but not in Russia…

You can't be a member of an organization that's sole purpose is destruction of Russia, and expect Russians to silently watch you plant nuclear warheads and aim them towards Russia. If you didn't want to get involved into war talk, you shouldn't have become a member of a war alliance. US is safe under it's internal shield, but you'll be the first to go down if anything big starts. You'll be rocketed from both sides...

 

[LeBrok]

Understandable, since NATO has no intention of backing up from it's original purpose, and is intensively spreading towards Russia, eating country by country.

Again you are absolutely ignoring wishes of these countries. It was not NATO asking them to join, it was them asking NATO for acceptance. It is truly regrettable that your inteligent mind is so selective and skips the wishes of most people in these countries. (so how started french revolution, NATO or CIA?)

No he doesn't. He is accusing them of enormous Russophobia, and he's predicted that if they continue with that behavior that could lead them through series of events which would leave them occupied or destroyed. I don't even remember if he meant occupied by Russia or by NATO...

This Russophobia has very strong historical base, don't you forget about this either. These mentioned countries were already invaded by Russia 2-3 times in last 200 years, and 150 years under Russian occupation. They've lost many hundred thousand of their citizens persecuted either by Russian Empire or Soviet Union. Now they are witnessing another expansionary attack on Ukraine, and you want them not to panic???!!!

So, what alliance would you join, in their place, to feel safe against such "friend" and neighbor like Russia?

 

[Ike]

Again you are absolutely ignoring wishes of these countries. It was not NATO asking them to join, it was them asking NATO for acceptance. It is truly regrettable that your inteligent mind is so selective and skips the wishes of most people in these countries. (so how started french revolution, NATO or CIA?)

I have no problem that those are their wishes, but then they have to suffer the consequences of those wishes. They can't expect Russia not to be against them, when they've joined a war pact against Russia. If they didn't join, and Russia was still harassing them, that would be totally different story and I'd totally support them.

This Russophobia has very strong historical base, don't you forget about this either. These mentioned countries were already invaded by Russia 2-3 times in last 200 years, and 150 years under Russian occupation. They've lost many hundred thousand of their citizens persecuted either by Russian Empire or Soviet Union. Now they are witnessing another expansionary attack on Ukraine, and you want them not to panic???!!!

Agreed, but Soviet Union fell apart, and Russia did let those people go on their free will. They could have remained free, but they decided to sacrifice their freedom in NATO. Now they have foreign soldier on their ground, just as an excuse for a "would be" situation. And more they get into it, the more Russia gets aggravated, and they raise the chance to get war on their territory.

And don't turn things around. This was by no means expansionary attack on Ukraine, we all know this has nothing to do with Ukraine. US doesn't even care about EU, and doesn't even count Ukraine as a real country. It is just a geographic location that needs to be subjugated on their Drang nach Osten policy. If you remember more people in Baltic countries and Poland were killed in those events, then during the Russian/Soviet control of the areas, but I don't see people bothered by the fact that they are on the side of ex invaders, oppressors and mass murderers.

I bet if the Russia was the one with the money in the last 100 years, that the situation would now be totally opposite and those countries would be part of some Russian Golden Empire Pact , and be nervous about Germany trying to protect German speaking minority in Czech. It's funny how money makes wonders, and people vote only for the side that brings in more money. And if that was the situation, I'd be totally supporting poor Germany for trying to do what is right, and standing against people with the money who manipulate freely for some imperialistic goals.

So, what alliance would you join, in their place, to feel safe against such "friend" and neighbor like Russia?

The one that Yugoslavia was in. We had a decent country that wasn't involved in your war games, until CIA and EU had let their spies wonder free with suitcases of money. In fact, we are the ones who founded the movement.

 

[Dagne]

Ikke, my translation of Zhirinovsky's pronouncement areword for word, he threatens to destroy my country because Lithuanian policiesdisagree with Russia. Lithuania has no NATO bases and cannot pose any danger to Russia. Lithuanian army is ridiculously small, we have no planes, no missiles, not even those portable grad systems... there are less than 8000 professional soldiers (no conscripts) in Lithuania and army spending is less than 1% of our GDP which is again very very little because the country has less than 3 mln. people. Could you tell me, what kind of a threat we areto Russia?

The wolf and the Lamb in an Aesop’s Fable explains well the reasons why Russia is so aggressive against Baltic States – it is because weare vulnerable and Russia feels it would be easy to grab our lands and make us Russians thereby extending the Russian Empire.

 

[Goga]

Some western powers must realize that Crimea and Eastern Ukraine are gone. And they will not come back. They still do underestimate mother Russia of what Russia is capable of. Russia defeated those western powers.

And it's a goodt thing! Why? Because unipolar global regime / 1 new world order is very dangerous for many cultures and minorities in the world. A multipolar world order is very good for the balance of power, so it makes much more difficult for world powers to abuse their power.

 

[Vedun]

If Russia would be invading Ukraine, then Ukraine would be invaded in few hours, not days. And they would not stop in Ukraine but somewhere around Holland or France, if Russians would go into a war against NATO for real. Whole questions about the "poor" economies of Russia would be useless at that time... They would invest all their powers into the War machine only.

And there exists no "war" between Ukraine and Russia at all, there exists a direct war between US and Russia. Current, mostly Jewish self elected leaders of Ukraine are only there for a show. People of Ukraine wanted to ged rid of the Bolsheviks ("Communist") elites and the "new" masters came to the power in new clothes, sending unarmed teenagers into a slaughter house, against eastern Ukrainians and Russian majority; (besides many people don't realize that eastern Ukrainians speak a totally different language than western Ukrainians. Rusines (not Russians) also live among them.) and supporting attacks above civilian cities, those attacks include shelling with mortars, casette bombs, uranium bombs. More than 2600 people already died because of these useless, "reckless" attacks. Some people already claim we are dealing with new ethnic cleansing which has all elements of a genocide. Now tell me something, wouldn't you protect your own family if they would be attacked?

This Cold war between US and Russia exists for a quite some time, only you did not see it, before the protests and revolution in in Ukraine.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ow-US-diplomat-arrested-suspicion-spying.html

" The United States is bating China and Russia, and the final nail in the coffin will be Iran, which is, of course, the main target of Israel. We have allowed China to increase their military strength and Russia to recover from Sovietization, to give them a false sense of bravado, this will create an all together faster demise for them. We’re like the sharp shooter daring the noob to pick up the gun, and when they try, it’s bang bang. The coming war will will be so severe that only one superpower can win, and that’s us folks. This is why the EU is in such a hurry to form a complete superstate because they know what is coming, and to survive, Europe will have to be one whole cohesive state. Their urgency tells me that they know full well that the big showdown is upon us. O how I have dreamed of this delightful moment.”

“Control oil and you control nations; control food and you control the people.”

“We told the military that we would have to take over seven Middle Eastern countries for their resources and they have nearly completed their job. We all know what I think of the military, but I have to say they have obeyed orders superfluously this time. It is just that last stepping stone, i.e. Iran which will really tip the balance. How long can China and Russia stand by and watch America clean up? The great Russian bear and Chinese sickle will be roused from their slumber and this is when Israel will have to fight with all its might and weapons to kill as many Arabs as it can. Hopefully if all goes well, half the Middle East will be Israeli. Our young have been trained well for the last decade or so on combat console games, it was interesting to see the new Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 game, which mirrors exactly what is to come in the near future with its predictive programming. Our young, in the US and West, are prepared because they have been programmed to be good soldiers, cannon fodder, and when they will be ordered to go out into the streets and fight those crazy Chins and Russkies, they will obey their orders. Out of the ashes we shall build a new society, there will only be one superpower left, and that one will be the global government that wins. Don’t forget, the United States, has the best weapons, we have stuff that no other nation has, and we will introduce those weapons to the world when the time is right.”


If You Can’t Hear the Drums of War You Must Be Deaf


Henry Kissinger, in 2012







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[mihaitzateo]

Eventually it will happen, Putin will be out of office for causing big economic crises in Russia. It will take a long time though. He is very popular at the moment, protector of Russians (almost a hero status) with very strong presidential powers, not to say dictatorial. It will take a lot and a long time to get rid of him. If he won't go easily, we might have a revolution one day in Moscow, like in Kiev this year.

Yes and US economy will fall also!
Haha,I am long waiting for this time.
What you think,that you will see any admiration for US from a Romanian,a real Romanian?
After what genocides and discrimination were done by England and US against Romance speaking people?
Is not my freaking problem that US invested so much in Putin's Russia!
Might I remind you how US has stolen Texas from Mexico?
And how tejanos,the Spanish people,from Texas,that helped US to get Texas from Mexico were forced to leave Texas,because of English/British origin settlers harassing and threats?
I do not care about US,I am Romanian native speaker,I can learn Spanish/Portuguesse to speak very well in few month and move to Brasil.
I am long waiting to see the decay of Anglo-Saxon civilization!
You are just full of bullshit Lebrok,where are the native populations from where Great Britain colonized?
Were not most killed?
Compare to South America,were people were assimilated,but not exterminated.
Now to all admirers of US,you should be ashamed of yourself,for supporting a country that because of their way of thinking,their racism,killed Native Americans,discriminated lots against Romance speakers and finally preferred Africans,over Romance speakers and Native americans to bring and breed in large numbers,in their country.
Is clear what they liked at Africans,their great body strength.
This shows,how idiot nation US is and how idiot nation England is,which is praising the vikings that went there and rape their women,killed their innocent civilians and so on.
Putin is just doing same as US does,US finally got someone to stand against them.
Anyway,largest economical and military power is China so have a nice time arguing,I am not wasting my time talking about this.
China weapons,compared to US weapons,are like Star wars weapons.
Now idiot American admirers,go dream on,if China would decide to attack US would conquer it and completely annihilate US military power in a few weeks.
Same they would do,if they would want to conquer Russia.
US weapons and soldiers are so lame/pathetic that they can not even defeat Islamic State,lol.

 

[Ike]

Ikke, my translation of Zhirinovsky's pronouncement areword for word, he threatens to destroy my country because Lithuanian policiesdisagree with Russia.

As i read this, he threatens your country will be destroyed, not that he will do it. He also " justified the remarks by suggesting that Russia “cannot allow” peripheral nations’ missile defenses and air forces to be within striking distance of Russia, and that Russia should seek to destroy them ‘a half hour before they launch.’

Whether that's a real justification is of no practical importance for you. From my point of view the message is clear - get out of NATO. If you don't want to, then you're endangering yourself. You have to be aware that those missiles are computer guided, and that some Gruzin will just press the button, it will be up to computer to decide where the targets are. So, detarget yourselves as soon as possible.

What would you say if Canada joined Warsaw Pact 50 years ago, and US starting to threaten that it will be the first to go down in flames? You'd think it's totally logical. This is the same thing.

Lithuania has no NATO bases and cannot pose any danger to Russia. Lithuanian army is ridiculously small, we have no planes, no missiles, not even those portable grad systems... there are less than 8000 professional soldiers (no conscripts) in Lithuania and army spending is less than 1% of our GDP which is again very very little because the country has less than 3 mln. people. Could you tell me, what kind of a threat we areto Russia?

You are of no threat to anyone. As I've already told you, neither of your countries exist in this game. This is the war between US and Russia, and you and we are just a terrain.

The wolf and the Lamb in an Aesop’s Fable explains well the reasons why Russia is so aggressive against Baltic States – it is because weare vulnerable and Russia feels it would be easy to grab our lands and make us Russians thereby extending the Russian Empire.

You were already part of Russian empire, and you didn't become Russians, so chill out. Nobody will ever make you Russians.

 

[LeBrok]

What would you say if Canada joined Warsaw Pact 50 years ago, and US starting to threaten that it will be the first to go down in flames? You'd think it's totally logical. This is the same thing.
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Excellent example, now you have to explain why Cuba still exists.

 

[LeBrok]

I have no problem that those are their wishes, but then they have to suffer the consequences of those wishes. They can't expect Russia not to be against them, when they've joined a war pact against Russia. If they didn't join, and Russia was still harassing them, that would be totally different story and I'd totally support them.

Yes, they didn't join any pacts before and Russia was still harassing and occupying them. That's how Russia does its business, and if you can't learn from history you never will. So, don't be surprised when they got their freedom finally, they immediately run to someone more powerful. In hindsight they were right, look at Ukraine. They don't belong to NATO yet, but Russia invaded them even on a promise of joining. How wrong, how wicked, how sick it is. That's the neighbor, I just wish Serbia was geographically in place of Ukraine or Poland. You would know their friendship, to the pain, lol.

Agreed, but Soviet Union fell apart, and Russia did let those people go on their free will.

Thank god for Gorbachov!

They could have remained free, but they decided to sacrifice their freedom in NATO.

Now we have imperator Putin, so they were right.

Now they have foreign soldier on their ground, just as an excuse for a "would be" situation.

Yes, Russians are coming, and already invaded Ukraine.

And more they get into it, the more Russia gets aggravated, and they raise the chance to get war on their territory.

Aggravated? Putin must be pissed off, Great Russia plans are in dumpster. If only Russia acted as friendly as Germany these days, more like a big powerful brother than a imperialistic bully things would be much better. Do you know why Poland is a friend with Germany now and not with Russia although suffered equally bad from both, and inspite of being Slavic brothers with Russians?
You have to come up with a better explanation than CIA controlling all Poles.

And don't turn things around. This was by no means expansionary attack on Ukraine, we all know this has nothing to do with Ukraine.

I think you are confused, because everything for you must be only about US and Russia. Again, how french revolution started without US help?

If you remember more people in Baltic countries and Poland were killed in those events, then during the Russian/Soviet control of the areas, but I don't see people bothered by the fact that they are on the side of ex invaders, oppressors and mass murderers.

Most of the West never threatened eastern European countries, just Germany. With your vision impairment you didn't notice that Germany changed since WW2, politically and ideologically, and doesn't threaten their neighbors anymore. Instead it gives helping hand through EU to poorer nations.

I bet if the Russia was the one with the money in the last 100 years, that the situation would now be totally opposite and those countries would be part of some Russian Golden Empire Pact ,

Now you getting how much production is important, even if it comes to safety of a nation.

It's funny how money makes wonders, and people vote only for the side that brings in more money.

Why don't you start a party and give them a choice to vote for poverty and dictatorship. Right, people are not that stupid.

standing against people with the money who manipulate freely for some imperialistic goals.

It doesn't look like anybody manipulates you, or vedun, or mihaitzateo. You guys must be so special to resist imperialistic money and ideology. The CIA didn't even poised you computers to shut you up, lol. How difficult it would be for CIA hackers to do that? I hope you see the ridiculous point of yours CIA directing the whole world.

The one that Yugoslavia was in. We had a decent country that wasn't involved in your war games, until CIA and EU had let their spies wonder free with suitcases of money. In fact, we are the ones who founded the movement.

Don't you find it funny that only Serbia, of all provinces, wanted to keep everyone happy by force? All of the rest opted out. Don't you find Serbia/Yugoslavia attitude imperialistic and dictatorial? Oh, wait, now I understand why you are siding with Russia. Russia is imperialistic and against the US. For the moment I thought you cared about victims, as Serbia became at the end, and will understand how Ukrainians feel.

 

[Ike]

Excellent example, now you have to explain why Cuba still exists.

I am most certain that US would have tried to invade Cuba, if only they were not an island.

Yes, they didn't join any pacts before and Russia was still harassing and occupying them. That's how Russia does its business, and if you can't learn from history you never will. So, don't be surprised when they got their freedom finally, they immediately run to someone more powerful. In hindsight they were right, look at Ukraine. They don't belong to NATO yet, but Russia invaded them even on a promise of joining. How wrong, how wicked, how sick it is. That's the neighbor, I just wish Serbia was geographically in place of Ukraine or Poland. You would know their friendship, to the pain, lol.

LoL, Russia did not invade Ukraine, it was CIA that did. They installed a nazi government, and are now playing confused why the war broke out

Thank god for Gorbachov!
Now we have imperator Putin, so they were right.
Yes, Russians are coming, and already invaded Ukraine.

Look at my previous answer.

Aggravated? Putin must be pissed off, Great Russia plans are in dumpster. If only Russia acted as friendly as Germany these days, more like a big powerful brother than a imperialistic bully things would be much better. Do you know why Poland is a friend with Germany now and not with Russia although suffered equally bad from both, and inspite of being Slavic brothers with Russians?
You have to come up with a better explanation than CIA controlling all Poles.

It's not actually CIA, but CIA money, if you like it better like that.

I think you are confused, because everything for you must be only about US and Russia. Again, how french revolution started without US help?

What does the French revolution has to do with current events?

Most of the West never threatened eastern European countries, just Germany. With your vision impairment you didn't notice that Germany changed since WW2, politically and ideologically, and doesn't threaten their neighbors anymore. Instead it gives helping hand through EU to poorer nations.

No I didn't notice. Only think I noticed is Germany installing marionette nazi governments in my country, somehow echoing WW2 memories.

Now you getting how much production is important, even if it comes to safety of a nation.

What does production have to do with printing money, waging wars and plundering other countries?

Why don't you start a party and give them a choice to vote for poverty and dictatorship. Right, people are not that stupid.

Your immorality continues to amaze me. You sound like a right person for next president

It doesn't look like anybody manipulates you, or vedun, or mihaitzateo. You guys must be so special to resist imperialistic money and ideology. The CIA didn't even poised you computers to shut you up, lol. How difficult it would be for CIA hackers to do that? I hope you see the ridiculous point of yours CIA directing the whole world.

Why are you extrapolating my words to the point that you're contradicting yourself? This is totally not nice in a decent conversation.

Don't you find it funny that only Serbia, of all provinces, wanted to keep everyone happy by force? All of the rest opted out. Don't you find Serbia/Yugoslavia attitude imperialistic and dictatorial? Oh, wait, now I understand why you are siding with Russia. Russia is imperialistic and against the US. For the moment I thought you cared about victims, as Serbia became at the end, and will understand how Ukrainians feel.

Totally off topic, and nothing to do with reality. Even your basic postulates are wrong, which I had told you couple of times. What's with that?:sad-2: You still didn't get to comprehend who did what and why. Read a book or two about recent Balkan events, and come back to talk in a separate thread. I won't even try to respond something like this...

 

[Sile]

this business makes me sick in the stomach

Why is Crimea under Russian........its a Tatar place not russian

-why was Serbia/Belgrade the capital of Yugoslavia when Yugoslavia means south-slavs...and serbia has less slavs than croatia or bosnia. ?Sarajevo was always the capital in the past. How can serbians dictate such atrocities.

-Why isn't Kurdistan given a country.

Are we to see the jackbooted English march into Scotland if Scotland votes for independence.

Why does USA claim the name Americans....isn't all north and south American nations all Americans. USA should be called unities or something like that

 

[Dagne]

It was a double post

 

[LeBrok]

I am most certain that US would have tried to invade Cuba, if only they were not an island.

Oh right, they are on an island. What kind of obstacle is this for biggest fleet in the world and most sophisticated and 100 times bigger than Cuban army? Your logic is not the sharpest today.

LoL, Russia did not invade Ukraine, it was CIA that did. They installed a nazi government, and are now playing confused why the war broke out

Be brave and go on a record telling us that there are no Russian soldiers in Ukraine, and more precisely in rebel held territories. We should be able to validate your geopolitical knowledge (instincts) soon enough.

It's not actually CIA, but CIA money, if you like it better like that.

CIA has 15 billion budget to "influence" the whole world. Well, minus the internal expenses what's left to influence is not more than 5 billion. This is peanuts against the annual gdp of the world around 50 trillion. Do you really believe that CIA money is changing the world? Laughable.
Apple computer makes 50 billion a year. Shouldn't you be more afraid of Apple money?

What does the French revolution has to do with current events?

Can show you that revolution can happen without CIA. You just need angry unhappy people, like yourself.

No I didn't notice. Only think I noticed is Germany installing marionette nazi governments in my country, somehow echoing WW2 memories.

More imagery from your fantasy world.

What does production have to do with printing money, waging wars and plundering other countries?

You still don't see it? Production equals more equipment, better technology, more tanks and rockets for army, more products and services for citizens, better standard of living and strong defences. Ukrainian and Serbian examples of lack of production should be easily comprehensible by you from first hand. On other hand printing money without growing economy will only increase the inflation, like in Venezuela or Cuba or Argentina these days. I guess they know as much about economy as you do. Recipe how to mess up and plunder your own country.

 

[Yetos]

The one that Yugoslavia was in. We had a decent country that wasn't involved in your war games, until CIA and EU had let their spies wonder free with suitcases of money. In fact, we are the ones who founded the movement.

@ IKE

since you are from Yugoslavia, you probably know about Tito's history,
I want you to remember the 'turn to 3rd world' of a European country,
and I ask you, Dimitrof from 3rd international, what was he?
the treaty of Blend, and the results,
simply agents sprung from both sides,
remember Tito and Stalin 'cold relations' due to that.

 

[Dagne]

Ikke, listen to Zhirinovski himself - http://www.lrytas.lt//pasaulis/ryta...ijos-salys-bus-okupuotos-arba-sunaikintos.htm

This recording is from April 2013, where Zhirnovsky tells that Baltic countries will be occupied or destroyed. Among other Zhirinovsky predicts future events - he mentions Ukraine saying that some of Ukraine's territories should belong to Russia, and also mentions that parts of Lithuania,Latvia and Estonia should also be taken by Russia and Beloruss and if our states were to resists, he mocks that our forces are very few- like one Latvian warship - he says that the countries will be fully destroyed. Listen yourself, if you know Russian.

You see, when such a high ranking political figure proposed land grabs and destruction, and, after a year, his promises start turning true (with regard to Ukraine) what are we in the Baltic states to think?

And please have in mind that almost every family in Lithuania had people killed in gulags of Stalin’s Russia. I know the times are different and Putin is no Stalin, but still, put yourself in our shoes.

 

[Vedun]

"Why is Crimea under Russian........its a Tatar place not russian "

Crimea "was" a Turkish (Tatar) Pashalük after the Ottoman expansion into Ukraine and Russia...

Now tell me how many nations were wiped out under Russians and how many under Turks and Americans English colonists...

 

[Dagne]

Deleted the double.