FTDNA my recent family finder 'ethnic results'

[Maleth]

Here are mine:

[TD="bgcolor: #E0E0E0"]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Population[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"][/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Anatolian Farmer[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]28.09%[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Baltic Hunter Gatherer[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]17.52%[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Middle Eastern Herder[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]16.68%[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]East Asian Farmer[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.34%[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]South American Hunter Gatherer[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]South Asian Hunter Gatherer[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]East African Pastoralist[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.36%[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Oceanian Hunter Gatherer[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.23%[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Mediterranean Farmer[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]35.72%[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Pygmy Hunter Gatherer[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Bantu Farmer[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]1.07%[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Population

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"][/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]North_Atlantic[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]21.11%[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Baltic[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]5.45%[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]West_Med[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]19.23%[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]West_Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]13.53%[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]East_Med[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]33.95%[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Red_Sea[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]4.46%[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]South_Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]East_Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.86%[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Siberian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Amerindian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Oceanian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.33%[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Northeast_African[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.86%[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Sub-Saharan[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.22%[/TD]

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[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Population

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"][/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]East_European[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]4.97%[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]West_European[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]19.50%[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]34.64%[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Neo_African[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.90%[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]West_Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]24.62%[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]South_Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Northeast_Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Southeast_Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.89%[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]East_African[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.45%[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Southwest_Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]11.60%[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Northwest_African[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]2.33%[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Palaeo_African[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.09%[/TD]

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the population percentages are so similar John. And you have Oceanic too...haha, I wonder were that came from. I even read its Papua New Gunea (!)....I wonder how that came to the equation and we both have it. Also the Bantu one.

The fact that these calculator inventors cannot even agree on what the regions cover and what populations they base their results on, and the terminologies they decide to give. Example what is East Med? Why is Georgia and Azerbaijan considered Middle east? What is North Altantic? Isnt that an Ocean? and so on and so forth. It makes the whole process less appealing, and put it down to a little fun.

The breakdowns I got from Ftdna are different from Eurogenes and different to dodecad. There is something that does not tally ..............

 

[John Doe]

the population percentages are so similar John. And you have Oceanic too...haha, I wonder were that came from.

Well I can't be certain, but I suppose Ashkenazim and Maltese might have a similar genetic history. Both are on the edge of Europe, in the gap between the former and the Near East, might just mean many things. As for the Oceanic admixture, well it might just be noise.

 

[Maleth]

Well I can't be certain, but I suppose Ashkenazim and Maltese might have a similar genetic history. Both are on the edge of Europe, in the gap between the former and the Near East, might just mean many things. As for the Oceanic admixture, well it might just be noise.

Yes I followed those charts. Three groups seem to be closely connected that is Ashkenazi, Sicilian and Maltese. Did you run this John?

Population (source)

[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]

[TD="align: right"] Distance [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]6.67[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Tuscan[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]7.85[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]AJ[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]8.94[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]GR[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]10.4[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]North_Italian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]11.82[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]PT[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]17.17[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]RO[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]18.45[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]ES[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]19.07[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]9[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Serbian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]20.1[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]10[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]FR[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]22.53[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]11[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]AT[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]24.42[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]12[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]TR[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]25.04[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]13[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]HU[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]25.45[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]14[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Moroccan[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]27.33[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]15[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]IQ[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]28.2[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]16[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]West_&_Central_German[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]28.33[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]17[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Samaritan[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]28.88[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]18[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Algerian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]28.94[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]19[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Assyrian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]29[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]20[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]NL[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]29.47[/TD]

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[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Primary Population (source) [/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Secondary Population (source) [/TD]
[TD="align: right"] Distance [/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]73.2%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]26.8%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]PT[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]2.44[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]75.4%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]24.6%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]ES[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]2.57[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]71.6%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]North_Italian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]28.4%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Samaritan[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.16[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]84.7%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]15.3%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]French_Basque[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.25[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]64.1%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]PT[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]35.9%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Druze[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.29[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]79.4%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]20.6%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]FR[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.33[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]61.6%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]ES[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]38.4%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Druze[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.48[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]66.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]33.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]North_Italian[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.51[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]9[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]84.4%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]15.6%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Cornish[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.78[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]10[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]80.7%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Tuscan[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]19.3%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Samaritan[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.84[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]11[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]86%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]14%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Scottish[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.95[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]12[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]87.8%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Tuscan[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]12.2%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Bedouin[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.95[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]13[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]63.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]GR[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]36.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]PT[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.97[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]14[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]85.7%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]14.3%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Orcadian[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.03[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]15[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]54.2%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Tuscan[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]45.8%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]AJ[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.05[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]16[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]85%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]15%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]English[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.05[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]17[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]85.9%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]14.1%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]IE[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.05[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]18[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]80.6%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Tuscan[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]19.4%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]IQ[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.07[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]19[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]73%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]North_Italian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]27%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Druze[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.09[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]20[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]56%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]44%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Tuscan[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.12
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Do you have an idea what the percentages are and what the distance stand for (excuse my ignorance)

 

[Angela]

Yes I followed those charts. Three groups seem to be closely connected that is Ashkenazi, Sicilian and Maltese. Did you run this John?

Population (source)

South_Italian_&_Sicilian

[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]

[TD="align: right"] Distance [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]6.67[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Tuscan[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]7.85[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]AJ[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]8.94[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]GR[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]10.4[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]North_Italian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]11.82[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]PT[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]17.17[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]RO[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]18.45[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]ES[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]19.07[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]9[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Serbian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]20.1[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]10[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]FR[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]22.53[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]11[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]AT[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]24.42[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]12[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]TR[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]25.04[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]13[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]HU[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]25.45[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]14[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Moroccan[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]27.33[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]15[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]IQ[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]28.2[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]16[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]West_&_Central_German[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]28.33[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]17[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Samaritan[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]28.88[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]18[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Algerian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]28.94[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]19[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Assyrian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]29[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]20[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]NL[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]29.47[/TD]

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[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]

[TD="colspan: 3"] Primary Population (source) [/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Secondary Population (source) [/TD]
[TD="align: right"] Distance [/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]73.2%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]26.8%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]PT[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]2.44[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]75.4%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]24.6%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]ES[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]2.57[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]71.6%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]North_Italian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]28.4%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Samaritan[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.16[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]84.7%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]15.3%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]French_Basque[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.25[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]64.1%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]PT[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]35.9%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Druze[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.29[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]79.4%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]20.6%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]FR[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.33[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]61.6%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]ES[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]38.4%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Druze[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.48[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]66.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]33.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]North_Italian[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.51[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]9[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]84.4%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]15.6%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Cornish[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.78[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]10[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]80.7%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Tuscan[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]19.3%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Samaritan[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.84[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]11[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]86%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]14%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Scottish[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.95[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]12[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]87.8%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Tuscan[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]12.2%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Bedouin[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.95[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]13[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]63.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]GR[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]36.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]PT[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.97[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]14[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]85.7%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]14.3%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Orcadian[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.03[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]15[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]54.2%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Tuscan[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]45.8%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]AJ[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.05[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]16[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]85%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]15%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]English[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.05[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]17[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]85.9%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]14.1%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]IE[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.05[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]18[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]80.6%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Tuscan[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]19.4%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]IQ[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.07[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]19[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]73%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]North_Italian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]27%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Druze[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.09[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]20[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]56%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]44%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Tuscan[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.12[/TD]

Do you have an idea what the percentages are and what the distance stand for (excuse my ignorance)

The lower the number, the closer the genetic similarity. A number of 6.67 is not particularly close; I've seen northern Europeans get numbers under 1, but they seem to be more homogenous. In your case, given the demographic history of Malta, it's not surprising that south Italians/Sicilians are your best match. In the case of Malta, you also have to factor in that there were other than Sicilian inputs, and, in your particular case, you have a recent northern European ancestor as well. I think the Portuguese/South Italian Sicilian coming in as the closest combo in Oracle is interesting. It may be because the Portuguese have some North African ancestry which is a match for what showed up for you in FTDNA? What it doesn't mean, of course, is that you have a Portuguese ancestor.

Are these numbers from Dodecad 12b? I have found both through my own experience and that of other southern Europeans that Dodecad provides more accurate results, leading to closer genetic similarity numbers. Just run all of the calculators and see how they compare.

 

[Maleth]

The lower the number, the closer the genetic similarity. A number of 6.67 is not particularly close; I've seen northern Europeans get numbers under 1, but they seem to be more homogenous. In your case, given the demographic history of Malta, it's not surprising that south Italians/Sicilians are your best match. In the case of Malta, you also have to factor in that there were other than Sicilian inputs, and, in your particular case, you have a recent northern European ancestor as well. I think the Portuguese/South Italian Sicilian coming in as the closest combo in Oracle is interesting. It may be because the Portuguese have some North African ancestry which is a match for what showed up for you in FTDNA? What it doesn't mean, of course, is that you have a Portuguese ancestor.

Are these numbers from Dodecad 12b? I have found both through my own experience and that of other southern Europeans that Dodecad provides more accurate results, leading to closer genetic similarity numbers. Just run all of the calculators and see how they compare.

Many thanks (as usual) for your clear explanations Angela.

This is the Dodecad run on 12b

Admix Results (sorted):

Population

Atlantic_Med

[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]

[TD="align: right"] Percent [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]28.76[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Caucasus[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]28.66[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]North_European[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]16.86[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Southwest_Asian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]10.52[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Northwest_African[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]7.06[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Gedrosia[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]5.85[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]East_African[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]1.10[/TD]

Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 C_Italian @ 8.820288
2 O_Italian @ 9.579761
3 Sicilian @ 10.060098
4 S_Italian_Sicilian @ 10.656211
5 Greek @ 11.766392
6 Ashkenazi @ 12.190835
7 Tuscan @ 12.372108
8 TSI30 @ 12.584416
9 Ashkenazy_Jews @ 12.594862
10 Morocco_Jews @ 15.396591
11 Sephardic_Jews @ 15.583058
12 N_Italian @ 17.280655
13 North_Italian @ 18.959211
14 Bulgarian @ 20.440601
15 Bulgarians @ 20.870832
16 Romanians @ 21.571959
17 Canarias @ 26.468821
18 Baleares @ 26.780981
19 Cypriots @ 26.962145
20 Turkish @ 27.140495

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Morocco_Jews +50% O_Italian @ 5.587129


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Morocco_Jews +25% N_Italian +25% Romanians @ 3.070553


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Ashkenazy_Jews + Mixed_Germanic + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews @ 2.083963
2 German + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews + Sicilian @ 2.104380
3 Canarias + Druze + Hungarians + Morocco_Jews @ 2.111102
4 Ashkenazy_Jews + Dutch + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews @ 2.223024
5 Canarias + Lebanese + Romanians + Sicilian @ 2.322811
6 Ashkenazi + Mixed_Germanic + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews @ 2.327231
7 Ashkenazy_Jews + German + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews @ 2.414094
8 German + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews + S_Italian_Sicilian @ 2.430136
9 Bulgarian + Canarias + Lebanese + Sicilian @ 2.486896
10 Ashkenazi + Dutch + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews @ 2.488361
11 Ashkenazi + German + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews @ 2.521348
12 Bulgarians + Canarias + Lebanese + Sicilian @ 2.540962
13 Ashkenazy_Jews + CEU30 + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews @ 2.577677
14 Ashkenazy_Jews + Mixed_Germanic + Morocco_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 2.614861
15 Ashkenazy_Jews + Dutch + Morocco_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 2.616382
16 Canarias + Druze + Hungarians + Sephardic_Jews @ 2.639705
17 Ashkenazy_Jews + English + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews @ 2.648830
18 Ashkenazi + Mixed_Germanic + Morocco_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 2.661152
19 Ashkenazy_Jews + Kent + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews @ 2.677732
20 Canarias + Lebanese + Romanians + S_Italian_Sicilian @ 2.689441

It gets a little complex as it goes in 4 population mixes. Lots of Morroco Jews and Ashkenazy there (!). I just read their history and some of them were expelled from Spain to Morroco. There is a history in Malta that local Jews converted to Catholicism to avoid persecution in 1200's, so it can make some historical sense. On the other hand its not easy to interpret that with the first chart of population percentages (hmm bit complicated)

 

[Angela]

Many thanks (as usual) for your clear explanations Angela.

This is the Dodecad run on 12b

Admix Results (sorted):

Population

Atlantic_Med

[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]

[TD="align: right"] Percent [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]28.76[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Caucasus[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]28.66[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]North_European[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]16.86[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Southwest_Asian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]10.52[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Northwest_African[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]7.06[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Gedrosia[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]5.85[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]East_African[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]1.10[/TD]

Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 C_Italian @ 8.820288
2 O_Italian @ 9.579761
3 Sicilian @ 10.060098
4 S_Italian_Sicilian @ 10.656211
5 Greek @ 11.766392
6 Ashkenazi @ 12.190835
7 Tuscan @ 12.372108
8 TSI30 @ 12.584416
9 Ashkenazy_Jews @ 12.594862
10 Morocco_Jews @ 15.396591
11 Sephardic_Jews @ 15.583058
12 N_Italian @ 17.280655
13 North_Italian @ 18.959211
14 Bulgarian @ 20.440601
15 Bulgarians @ 20.870832
16 Romanians @ 21.571959
17 Canarias @ 26.468821
18 Baleares @ 26.780981
19 Cypriots @ 26.962145
20 Turkish @ 27.140495

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Morocco_Jews +50% O_Italian @ 5.587129


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Morocco_Jews +25% N_Italian +25% Romanians @ 3.070553


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Ashkenazy_Jews + Mixed_Germanic + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews @ 2.083963
2 German + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews + Sicilian @ 2.104380
3 Canarias + Druze + Hungarians + Morocco_Jews @ 2.111102
4 Ashkenazy_Jews + Dutch + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews @ 2.223024
5 Canarias + Lebanese + Romanians + Sicilian @ 2.322811
6 Ashkenazi + Mixed_Germanic + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews @ 2.327231
7 Ashkenazy_Jews + German + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews @ 2.414094
8 German + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews + S_Italian_Sicilian @ 2.430136
9 Bulgarian + Canarias + Lebanese + Sicilian @ 2.486896
10 Ashkenazi + Dutch + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews @ 2.488361
11 Ashkenazi + German + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews @ 2.521348
12 Bulgarians + Canarias + Lebanese + Sicilian @ 2.540962
13 Ashkenazy_Jews + CEU30 + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews @ 2.577677
14 Ashkenazy_Jews + Mixed_Germanic + Morocco_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 2.614861
15 Ashkenazy_Jews + Dutch + Morocco_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 2.616382
16 Canarias + Druze + Hungarians + Sephardic_Jews @ 2.639705
17 Ashkenazy_Jews + English + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews @ 2.648830
18 Ashkenazi + Mixed_Germanic + Morocco_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 2.661152
19 Ashkenazy_Jews + Kent + Morocco_Jews + Morocco_Jews @ 2.677732
20 Canarias + Lebanese + Romanians + S_Italian_Sicilian @ 2.689441

It gets a little complex as it goes in 4 population mixes. Lots of Morroco Jews and Ashkenazy there (!). I just read their history and some of them were expelled from Spain to Morroco. There is a history in Malta that local Jews converted to Catholicism to avoid persecution in 1200's, so it can make some historical sense. On the other hand its not easy to interpret that with the first chart of population percentages (hmm bit complicated)

What run provided the 6.67 number? Was that also a Dodecad run?

Interpreting Admixture results is more of an art than a science, I'm afraid, which is why they shouldn't be taken as gospel, and also why people get so confused. A "Moroccan Jew" in Oracle doesn't mean that you necessarily have Sephardic Jews of the North African variety in your actual tree, although it could. What it can also mean, and usually does mean is that you carry a combination of "Mediterranean" genes with some northern European input and also some North African Berber. (North African Jews are very highly inbred in the last millennia or so, as are all Jewish populations, but their genesis is in coastal Mediterranean Jewish populations with some Berber admixture and perhaps some Iberian input from their sojourn there.)

The fact that OT and Central Italian show up so high in the list, before Sicilians, actually makes sense to me given that you have a British great grandfather. The algorithm is finding a southern European population that has more northern European in it than the Sicilians, and then finding the North African in the Moroccan Jews.

The Ashkenazi result is also not surprising. A lot of southern Italians get Ashkenazim somewhere in their top five results. It's the second result for a man whose account I manage, yet he has almost no Ashkenazim in relative finder, which means no IBD sharing within hundreds and hundreds of years. I also have done extensive research into the Jewish communities of southern Italy and Sicily, and although there are certainly records of Jews remaining behind after the takeover of the south by the Spaniards and the subsequent expulsion (people converted in order to remain, as they did in Iberia) the numbers in comparison to the total population were extremely small, with most of the Jews going into exile. The similarity largely results, I think, from descent from similar groups, or perhaps from the fact that a good part of the Ashkenazi ethnogenesis may have involved intermarriage with the Sea Peoples, and then with Greek converts during the Hellenistic Era. The proscriptions against proselytizing and intermarriage with women of other religions, for example, didn't arise until quite a bit later. We won't know for sure until we have some genomes from pre-diaspora Jews.

 

[Maleth]

What run provided the 6.67 number? Was that also a Dodecad run?

Interpreting Admixture results is more of an art than a science, I'm afraid, which is why they shouldn't be taken as gospel, and also why people get so confused. A "Moroccan Jew" in Oracle doesn't mean that you necessarily have Sephardic Jews of the North African variety in your actual tree, although it could. What it can also mean, and usually does mean is that you carry a combination of "Mediterranean" genes with some northern European input and also some North African Berber. (North African Jews are very highly inbred in the last millennia or so, as are all Jewish populations, but their genesis is in coastal Mediterranean Jewish populations with some Berber admixture and perhaps some Iberian input from their sojourn there.)

The fact that OT and Central Italian show up so high in the list, before Sicilians, actually makes sense to me given that you have a British great grandfather. The algorithm is finding a southern European population that has more northern European in it than the Sicilians, and then finding the North African in the Moroccan Jews.

The Ashkenazi result is also not surprising. A lot of southern Italians get Ashkenazim somewhere in their top five results. It's the second result for a man whose account I manage, yet he has almost no Ashkenazim in relative finder, which means no IBD sharing within hundreds and hundreds of years. I also have done extensive research into the Jewish communities of southern Italy and Sicily, and although there are certainly records of Jews remaining behind after the takeover of the south by the Spaniards and the subsequent expulsion (people converted in order to remain, as they did in Iberia) the numbers in comparison to the total population were extremely small, with most of the Jews going into exile. The similarity largely results, I think, from descent from similar groups, or perhaps from the fact that a good part of the Ashkenazi ethnogenesis may have involved intermarriage with the Sea Peoples, and then with Greek converts during the Hellenistic Era. The proscriptions against proselytizing and intermarriage with women of other religions, for example, didn't arise until quite a bit later. We won't know for sure until we have some genomes from pre-diaspora Jews.

you surely make things much more understandable (clear). Thank you again!. I tend to click runs at random and forgot what I have clicked, but finally managed to find the 6.67 number run. its Eurogenes EU test.

 

[John Doe]

Yes I followed those charts. Three groups seem to be closely connected that is Ashkenazi, Sicilian and Maltese. Did you run this John?

Population (source)

South_Italian_&_Sicilian

[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]

[TD="align: right"] Distance [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]6.67[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Tuscan[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]7.85[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]AJ[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]8.94[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]GR[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]10.4[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]North_Italian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]11.82[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]PT[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]17.17[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]RO[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]18.45[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]ES[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]19.07[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]9[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Serbian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]20.1[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]10[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]FR[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]22.53[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]11[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]AT[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]24.42[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]12[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]TR[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]25.04[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]13[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]HU[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]25.45[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]14[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Moroccan[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]27.33[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]15[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]IQ[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]28.2[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]16[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]West_&_Central_German[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]28.33[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]17[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Samaritan[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]28.88[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]18[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Algerian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]28.94[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]19[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Assyrian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]29[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]20[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]NL[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]29.47[/TD]

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

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[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]

[TD="colspan: 3"] Primary Population (source) [/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Secondary Population (source) [/TD]
[TD="align: right"] Distance [/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]73.2%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]26.8%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]PT[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]2.44[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]75.4%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]24.6%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]ES[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]2.57[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]71.6%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]North_Italian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]28.4%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Samaritan[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.16[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]84.7%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]15.3%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]French_Basque[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.25[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]64.1%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]PT[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]35.9%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Druze[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.29[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]79.4%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]20.6%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]FR[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.33[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]61.6%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]ES[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]38.4%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Druze[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.48[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]66.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]33.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]North_Italian[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.51[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]9[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]84.4%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]15.6%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Cornish[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.78[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]10[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]80.7%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Tuscan[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]19.3%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Samaritan[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.84[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]11[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]86%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]14%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Scottish[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.95[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]12[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]87.8%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Tuscan[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]12.2%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Bedouin[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.95[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]13[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]63.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]GR[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]36.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]PT[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.97[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]14[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]85.7%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]14.3%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Orcadian[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.03[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]15[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]54.2%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Tuscan[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]45.8%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]AJ[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.05[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]16[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]85%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]15%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]English[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.05[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]17[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]85.9%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]14.1%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]IE[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.05[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]18[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]80.6%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Tuscan[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]19.4%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]IQ[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.07[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]19[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]73%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]North_Italian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]27%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Druze[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.09[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]20[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]56%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]44%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Tuscan[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.12[/TD]

Do you have an idea what the percentages are and what the distance stand for (excuse my ignorance)

Here are my results from Dodecad 12:

Admix Results (sorted):

Population

[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]

[TD="align: right"] Percent [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Caucasus[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]35.85[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Atlantic_Med[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]28.29[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]North_European[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]13.68[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Southwest_Asian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]12.62[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Gedrosia[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.92[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Northwest_African[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]2.89[/TD]

Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 S_Italian_Sicilian @ 2.946136
2 Sicilian @ 3.145499
3 Ashkenazi @ 5.229614
4 Ashkenazy_Jews @ 5.473091
5 Greek @ 7.764585
6 C_Italian @ 9.230050
7 Sephardic_Jews @ 9.567550
8 Morocco_Jews @ 12.536876
9 O_Italian @ 13.260434
10 Tuscan @ 13.599797
11 TSI30 @ 15.076990
12 Cypriots @ 18.848753
13 Turkish @ 21.478111
14 N_Italian @ 22.167940
15 North_Italian @ 23.180607
16 Bulgarian @ 23.424467
17 Bulgarians @ 23.600304
18 Lebanese @ 23.718493
19 Turks @ 24.328362
20 Romanians @ 25.058332

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek +50% Sephardic_Jews @ 2.595415


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek +25% Morocco_Jews +25% S_Italian_Sicilian @ 1.375685


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Greek + O_Italian + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.237713
2 Ashkenazi + C_Italian + Druze + N_Italian @ 1.244316
3 Ashkenazy_Jews + C_Italian + Druze + N_Italian @ 1.358636
4 Cypriots + O_Italian + O_Italian + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.369294
5 Greek + Greek + Morocco_Jews + S_Italian_Sicilian @ 1.375685
6 Cypriots + Greek + Morocco_Jews + N_Italian @ 1.465503
7 Ashkenazy_Jews + O_Italian + S_Italian_Sicilian + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.490708
8 Ashkenazi + Druze + O_Italian + TSI30 @ 1.521947
9 Ashkenazy_Jews + C_Italian + Druze + North_Italian @ 1.540110
10 Ashkenazy_Jews + Baleares + Druze + Greek @ 1.565091
11 Ashkenazi + C_Italian + Druze + North_Italian @ 1.583420
12 Druze + Greek + North_Italian + Sicilian @ 1.590638
13 Ashkenazi + O_Italian + S_Italian_Sicilian + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.609313
14 Ashkenazi + Lebanese + Tuscan + Tuscan @ 1.610995
15 Greek + Greek + Morocco_Jews + Sicilian @ 1.649405
16 Cypriots + Cypriots + Greek + Portuguese @ 1.653350
17 Ashkenazi + Druze + TSI30 + TSI30 @ 1.653423
18 Cypriots + Morocco_Jews + O_Italian + O_Italian @ 1.676344
19 Ashkenazy_Jews + O_Italian + Sephardic_Jews + Sicilian @ 1.681193
20 Ashkenazi + C_Italian + Lebanese + Tuscan @ 1.685583

 

[Maleth]

Here are my results from Dodecad 12:

Admix Results (sorted):

Population

Caucasus

Atlantic_Med

[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]

[TD="align: right"] Percent [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]35.85[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]28.29[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]North_European[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]13.68[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Southwest_Asian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]12.62[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Gedrosia[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.92[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Northwest_African[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]2.89[/TD]

Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 S_Italian_Sicilian @ 2.946136
2 Sicilian @ 3.145499
3 Ashkenazi @ 5.229614
4 Ashkenazy_Jews @ 5.473091
5 Greek @ 7.764585
6 C_Italian @ 9.230050
7 Sephardic_Jews @ 9.567550
8 Morocco_Jews @ 12.536876
9 O_Italian @ 13.260434
10 Tuscan @ 13.599797
11 TSI30 @ 15.076990
12 Cypriots @ 18.848753
13 Turkish @ 21.478111
14 N_Italian @ 22.167940
15 North_Italian @ 23.180607
16 Bulgarian @ 23.424467
17 Bulgarians @ 23.600304
18 Lebanese @ 23.718493
19 Turks @ 24.328362
20 Romanians @ 25.058332

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek +50% Sephardic_Jews @ 2.595415


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek +25% Morocco_Jews +25% S_Italian_Sicilian @ 1.375685


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Greek + O_Italian + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.237713
2 Ashkenazi + C_Italian + Druze + N_Italian @ 1.244316
3 Ashkenazy_Jews + C_Italian + Druze + N_Italian @ 1.358636
4 Cypriots + O_Italian + O_Italian + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.369294
5 Greek + Greek + Morocco_Jews + S_Italian_Sicilian @ 1.375685
6 Cypriots + Greek + Morocco_Jews + N_Italian @ 1.465503
7 Ashkenazy_Jews + O_Italian + S_Italian_Sicilian + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.490708
8 Ashkenazi + Druze + O_Italian + TSI30 @ 1.521947
9 Ashkenazy_Jews + C_Italian + Druze + North_Italian @ 1.540110
10 Ashkenazy_Jews + Baleares + Druze + Greek @ 1.565091
11 Ashkenazi + C_Italian + Druze + North_Italian @ 1.583420
12 Druze + Greek + North_Italian + Sicilian @ 1.590638
13 Ashkenazi + O_Italian + S_Italian_Sicilian + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.609313
14 Ashkenazi + Lebanese + Tuscan + Tuscan @ 1.610995
15 Greek + Greek + Morocco_Jews + Sicilian @ 1.649405
16 Cypriots + Cypriots + Greek + Portuguese @ 1.653350
17 Ashkenazi + Druze + TSI30 + TSI30 @ 1.653423
18 Cypriots + Morocco_Jews + O_Italian + O_Italian @ 1.676344
19 Ashkenazy_Jews + O_Italian + Sephardic_Jews + Sicilian @ 1.681193
20 Ashkenazi + C_Italian + Lebanese + Tuscan @ 1.685583

Very interesting . You seem to have much less Jewish references (21 compared to my 37) in the 4 population mix and I presume both your parents are of Jewish origins. However as Angela mentioned that could be maybe a reference to a Berber percentage. However Morocco Jews are singled out probably for a different genetic mix compared to the general Berber population. There is North West Africa also specifically mentioned in population percentages which could also be a more direct reference to a Berber mix. You also have Sephardic references. We have no known Jewish ancestry at least since 1200's. The population percentages again are more or less similar give and take a few percentages, and interestingly we both have Gedrosia (I think its an area outside north west of India, maybe Pakistan?) that eliminates Oceania (Papa New gunea) from another test run. Oh people did move around in the olden days didn't they? :grin:. My final argument is with the amount of Morrocon Jews thrown in my 4 population mix equation, I should be 50% north west African and not just 7.06% as the population percentage chart shows. I will make a few more runs later on the day to see what the oracles are saying. We both have 1 something percent missing.....probably its neandertal

 

[John Doe]

Very interesting . You seem to have much less Jewish references (21 compared to my 37) in the 4 population mix and I presume both your parents are of Jewish origins.

My mum is an Ashkenazi Jew with ancestry going to Poland, while my father (whom I never knew) was also an Ashkenazi Jew with ancestry going to Germany and Poland. However, my father was much fairer than my mum, don't know if that means much though.

 

[Angela]

@Maleth,

Very interesting . You seem to have much less Jewish references (21 compared to my 37) in the 4 population mix and I presume both your parents are of Jewish origins. However as Angela mentioned that could be maybe a reference to a Berber percentage. However Morocco Jews are singled out probably for a different genetic mix compared to the general Berber population. There is North West Africa also specifically mentioned in population percentages which could also be a more direct reference to a Berber mix. You also have Sephardic references. We have no known Jewish ancestry at least since 1200's. The population percentages again are more or less similar give and take a few percentages, and interestingly we both have Gedrosia (I think its an area outside north west of India, maybe Pakistan?) that eliminates Oceania (Papa New gunea) from another test run. Oh people did move around in the olden days didn't they?

. My final argument is with the amount of Morrocon Jews thrown in my 4 population mix equation, I should be 50% north west African and not just 7.06% as the population percentage chart shows. I will make a few more runs later on the day to see what the oracles are saying. We both have 1 something percent missing.....probably its neandertal

I hope I didn't mislead you; while there is definitely Berber ancestry present in North African Jews, it is a minor part of their ancestry.
This graphic is still pretty accurate and might help in visualizing the relationships:

The Jews, as a maritime commercial community like the Phoenicians before them for a rough analogy, had diaspora communities before the destruction of the Temple and their scattering by the Romans, although unlike the Phoenicians they retained their distinctive identity. There were Jews in North Africa and Iberia, for example, long before then, and some degree of admixture took place. (Of course, in the Roman Era refugees would have swelled their ranks.) Some, if not most, of the North African Jews probably then moved into Iberia with the Arab conquest, and with the expulsions, some of them then moved back to North Africa, bearing some Iberian input. This is why they now follow the Sephardic (Spanish) rite in their religious practices. It's a complicated story. What is clear, however, is that modern North African Jews do not have the up to 25% SSA input that is present in many North Africans today. (The North African Jewish communities are also amazingly distinct from one another.)

You may in fact be familiar with some North African Jews without being aware of it.
The philosophers Bernard Henri Levy and Jacques Derrida, for example:

Jacques Derrida:

Claude Cohen Tannoudji-Nobel prize winning physicist:

Gregory Fitoussi-actor. He was recently the lead in the series "Selfridges".

 

[John Doe]

you surely make things much more understandable (clear). Thank you again!. I tend to click runs at random and forgot what I have clicked, but finally managed to find the 6.67 number run. its Eurogenes EU test.

Here are my results from the Eurogenes EU test:

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population

[TD="align: right"] Percent [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]EAST_MED[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]29.89[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]ATLANTIC[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]14.88[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]WEST_MED[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]14.56[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]WEST_ASIAN[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]12.28[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]MIDDLE_EASTERN[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]10.43[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]9.42[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]SOUTH_BALTIC[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.05[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]EAST_EURO[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.27[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]9[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]WEST_AFRICAN[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]0.63[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]10[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]EAST_ASIAN[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]0.35[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]11[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]EAST_AFRICAN[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]0.24[/TD]

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)

[TD="align: right"] Distance [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.78[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]AJ[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]6.1[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]GR[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]6.75[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Tuscan[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]12.45[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]North_Italian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]16.65[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]TR[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]19.63[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]RO[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]19.72[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Serbian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]21.54[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]9[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]PT[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]22.74[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]10[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Assyrian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]23.12[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]11[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]IQ[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]23.51[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]12[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Armenian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]23.99[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]13[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]ES[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]24.4[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]14[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Mandean[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]24.85[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]15[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Samaritan[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]25.08[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]16[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Kurdish[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]25.51[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]17[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Druze[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]25.55[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]18[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]IR[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]25.81[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]19[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]FR[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]26.95[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]20[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]AT[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]27.24[/TD]

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#
+	@
+	@
+	@
+	@
+	@
+	@
+	@
+	@
+	@
+	@
+	@
+	@
+	@
+	@
+	@
+	@
+	@
+	@
+	@
+	@

[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Primary Population (source) [/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Secondary Population (source) [/TD]
[TD="align: right"] Distance [/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]94.8%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]5.2%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Udmurt[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.11[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]93.7%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]6.3%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Scottish[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.12[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]51.4%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Assyrian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]48.6%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]ES[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.19[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]93.9%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]6.1%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]IE[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.19[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]93.9%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]6.1%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Orcadian[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.2[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]95.1%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]4.9%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Erzya[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.21[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]94.6%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]5.4%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]North_Swedish[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.24[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]95.1%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]4.9%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Finnish[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.26[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]9[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]95.3%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]4.7%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]East_Finnish[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.27[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]10[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]93.9%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]6.1%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Cornish[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.28[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]11[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]90.9%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]9.1%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Serbian[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.28[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]12[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]95.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]4.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Komi[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.29[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]13[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]67.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]32.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]AJ[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.3[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]14[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]94.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]5.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]DK[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.3[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]15[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]95.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]4.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]North_Russian[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.3[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]16[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]95.3%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]4.7%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]East_Russian[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.31[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]17[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]93.8%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]6.2%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]West_&_Central_German[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.32[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]18[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]94.8%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]5.2%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]NO[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.33[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]19[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]90.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]9.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]RO[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.33[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]20[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]95.6%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]4.4%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]EE[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.33

[/TD]

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population

[TD="align: right"] Percent [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]EAST_MED[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]29.89[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]ATLANTIC[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]14.88[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]WEST_MED[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]14.56[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]WEST_ASIAN[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]12.28[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]MIDDLE_EASTERN[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]10.43[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]9.42[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]SOUTH_BALTIC[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.05[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]EAST_EURO[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.27[/TD]

Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 5.323043
2 AJ @ 6.923173
3 GR @ 7.640398
4 Tuscan @ 14.153313
5 North_Italian @ 19.127386
6 TR @ 22.196642
7 RO @ 22.587809
8 Serbian @ 24.797844
9 PT @ 26.361053
10 IQ @ 26.498209
11 Assyrian @ 26.574596
12 Armenian @ 27.604151
13 ES @ 28.267944
14 Mandean @ 28.380276
15 Kurdish @ 28.843000
16 IR @ 28.933260
17 Samaritan @ 28.947187
18 Druze @ 29.932791
19 FR @ 31.357939
20 AT @ 31.518906

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Assyrian +50% ES @ 4.891476


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% AJ +25% Druze +25% French_Basque @ 3.777595


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Assyrian + Druze + ES + ES @ 2.376303
2 Druze + ES + ES + Mandean @ 2.662993
3 Druze + French_Basque + Mandean + North_Italian @ 2.664304
4 AJ + Druze + French_Basque + TR @ 2.701958
5 Assyrian + Druze + ES + PT @ 2.709047
6 Druze + French_Basque + Mandean + Tuscan @ 2.806685
7 Armenian + Druze + ES + ES @ 3.055863
8 Armenian + Druze + ES + PT @ 3.061779
9 Assyrian + Druze + ES + North_Italian @ 3.071738
10 Druze + ES + Mandean + PT @ 3.098068
11 Druze + French_Basque + South_Italian_&_Sicilian + TR @ 3.150371
12 Assyrian + Druze + French_Basque + North_Italian @ 3.157905
13 Assyrian + Druze + French_Basque + Tuscan @ 3.202078
14 Druze + ES + Mandean + North_Italian @ 3.208415
15 Druze + ES + FR + Mandean @ 3.212695
16 Assyrian + Druze + PT + PT @ 3.287118
17 Assyrian + Druze + ES + FR @ 3.294758
18 AJ + Druze + French_Basque + GR @ 3.313377
19 Armenian + Druze + PT + PT @ 3.372040
20 Druze + French_Basque + IQ + Tuscan @ 3.377867

Pretty sure the ES is Extremadura Spanish.

 

[John Doe]

you surely make things much more understandable (clear). Thank you again!. I tend to click runs at random and forgot what I have clicked, but finally managed to find the 6.67 number run. its Eurogenes EU test.

Here are my results from the Eurogenes EU test:

Admix Results (sorted):

Population

[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]

[TD="align: right"] Percent [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]EAST_MED[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]29.89[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]ATLANTIC[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]14.88[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]WEST_MED[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]14.56[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]WEST_ASIAN[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]12.28[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]MIDDLE_EASTERN[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]10.43[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]9.42[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]SOUTH_BALTIC[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.05[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]EAST_EURO[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.27[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]9[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]WEST_AFRICAN[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]0.63[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]10[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]EAST_ASIAN[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]0.35[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]11[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]EAST_AFRICAN[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]0.24[/TD]

Single Population Sharing:

Population (source)

[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]

[TD="align: right"] Distance [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.78[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]AJ[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]6.1[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]GR[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]6.75[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Tuscan[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]12.45[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]North_Italian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]16.65[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]TR[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]19.63[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]RO[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]19.72[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Serbian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]21.54[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]9[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]PT[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]22.74[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]10[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Assyrian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]23.12[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]11[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]IQ[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]23.51[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]12[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Armenian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]23.99[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]13[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]ES[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]24.4[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]14[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Mandean[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]24.85[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]15[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Samaritan[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]25.08[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]16[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Kurdish[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]25.51[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]17[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Druze[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]25.55[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]18[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]IR[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]25.81[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]19[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]FR[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]26.95[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]20[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]AT[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]27.24[/TD]

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[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Primary Population (source) [/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Secondary Population (source) [/TD]
[TD="align: right"] Distance [/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]94.8%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]5.2%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Udmurt[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.11[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]93.7%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]6.3%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Scottish[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.12[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]51.4%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Assyrian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]48.6%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]ES[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.19[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]93.9%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]6.1%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]IE[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.19[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]93.9%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]6.1%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Orcadian[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.2[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]95.1%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]4.9%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Erzya[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.21[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]94.6%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]5.4%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]North_Swedish[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.24[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]95.1%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]4.9%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Finnish[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.26[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]9[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]95.3%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]4.7%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]East_Finnish[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.27[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]10[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]93.9%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]6.1%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Cornish[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.28[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]11[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]90.9%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]9.1%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Serbian[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.28[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]12[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]95.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]4.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Komi[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.29[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]13[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]67.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]32.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]AJ[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.3[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]14[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]94.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]5.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]DK[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.3[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]15[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]95.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]4.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]North_Russian[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.3[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]16[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]95.3%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]4.7%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]East_Russian[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.31[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]17[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]93.8%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]6.2%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]West_&_Central_German[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.32[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]18[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]94.8%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]5.2%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]NO[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.33[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]19[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]90.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]9.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]RO[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.33[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]20[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"] [/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]95.6%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]4.4%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]EE[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.33

[/TD]

Admix Results (sorted):

Population

[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]

[TD="align: right"] Percent [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]EAST_MED[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]29.89[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]ATLANTIC[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]14.88[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]WEST_MED[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]14.56[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]WEST_ASIAN[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]12.28[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]MIDDLE_EASTERN[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]10.43[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]9.42[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]SOUTH_BALTIC[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.05[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]EAST_EURO[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.27[/TD]

Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 5.323043
2 AJ @ 6.923173
3 GR @ 7.640398
4 Tuscan @ 14.153313
5 North_Italian @ 19.127386
6 TR @ 22.196642
7 RO @ 22.587809
8 Serbian @ 24.797844
9 PT @ 26.361053
10 IQ @ 26.498209
11 Assyrian @ 26.574596
12 Armenian @ 27.604151
13 ES @ 28.267944
14 Mandean @ 28.380276
15 Kurdish @ 28.843000
16 IR @ 28.933260
17 Samaritan @ 28.947187
18 Druze @ 29.932791
19 FR @ 31.357939
20 AT @ 31.518906

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Assyrian +50% ES @ 4.891476


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% AJ +25% Druze +25% French_Basque @ 3.777595


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Assyrian + Druze + ES + ES @ 2.376303
2 Druze + ES + ES + Mandean @ 2.662993
3 Druze + French_Basque + Mandean + North_Italian @ 2.664304
4 AJ + Druze + French_Basque + TR @ 2.701958
5 Assyrian + Druze + ES + PT @ 2.709047
6 Druze + French_Basque + Mandean + Tuscan @ 2.806685
7 Armenian + Druze + ES + ES @ 3.055863
8 Armenian + Druze + ES + PT @ 3.061779
9 Assyrian + Druze + ES + North_Italian @ 3.071738
10 Druze + ES + Mandean + PT @ 3.098068
11 Druze + French_Basque + South_Italian_&_Sicilian + TR @ 3.150371
12 Assyrian + Druze + French_Basque + North_Italian @ 3.157905
13 Assyrian + Druze + French_Basque + Tuscan @ 3.202078
14 Druze + ES + Mandean + North_Italian @ 3.208415
15 Druze + ES + FR + Mandean @ 3.212695
16 Assyrian + Druze + PT + PT @ 3.287118
17 Assyrian + Druze + ES + FR @ 3.294758
18 AJ + Druze + French_Basque + GR @ 3.313377
19 Armenian + Druze + PT + PT @ 3.372040
20 Druze + French_Basque + IQ + Tuscan @ 3.377867

Pretty sure the ES is Extremadura Spanish.

 

[Maleth]

@Maleth,


I hope I didn't mislead you; while there is definitely Berber ancestry present in North African Jews, it is a minor part of their ancestry.
This graphic is still pretty accurate and might help in visualizing the relationships:

The Jews, as a maritime commercial community like the Phoenicians before them for a rough analogy, had diaspora communities before the destruction of the Temple and their scattering by the Romans, although unlike the Phoenicians they retained their distinctive identity. There were Jews in North Africa and Iberia, for example, long before then, and some degree of admixture took place. (Of course, in the Roman Era refugees would have swelled their ranks.) Some, if not most, of the North African Jews probably then moved into Iberia with the Arab conquest, and with the expulsions, some of them then moved back to North Africa, bearing some Iberian input. This is why they now follow the Sephardic (Spanish) rite in their religious practices. It's a complicated story. What is clear, however, is that modern North African Jews do not have the up to 25% SSA input that is present in many North Africans today. (The North African Jewish communities are also amazingly distinct from one another.)

You may in fact be familiar with some North African Jews without being aware of it.
The philosophers Bernard Henri Levy and Jacques Derrida, for example:

Jacques Derrida:

Claude Cohen Tannoudji-Nobel prize winning physicist:

Gregory Fitoussi-actor. He was recently the lead in the series "Selfridges".

In fact I just had a read on Haplogroups amoungst North African and Portughese Jews, in both cases E-M81 is quite minimal just as you stated.This is what it says:- quote:- Y-DNA of Jews from North Africa[edit]

The largest study to date on the Jews of North Africa has been led by Gerard Lucotte et al. in 2003.^[33] This study showed that the Jews of North Africa^{[Note 7]} showed frequencies of their paternal haplotypes almost equal to those of the Lebanese and Palestinian non-Jews.
The authors also compared the distribution of haplotypes of Jews from North Africa with Sephardi Jews and Ashkenazi Jews and found a common origin between these groups.^[39] The Jewish community of the island of Djerba in Tunisia is of special interest, making the tradition back to the time of the destruction of the First Temple. Two studies have attempted to test this hypothesis first by G. Lucotte et al. from 1993,^[40] the second of F. Manni et al. of 2005.^[41] They also conclude that the Jews of Djerba's paternal gene pool is different from the Arabs and Berbers of the island. For the first 77.5% of samples tested are of haplotype VIII (probably similar to the J haplogroup according Lucotte), the second shows that 100% of the samples are of Haplogroup J *. The second suggests that it is unlikely that the majority of this community comes from an ancient colonization of the island while for Lucotte it is unclear whether this high frequency is really an ancient relationship.
These studies therefore suggest that the paternal lineage of North African Jews comes predominantly from the Middle East with a minority contribution of African lineages, probably Berbers-: end quote


Y-DNA of Portuguese Jews[edit]

A recent study by Inês Nogueiro et al. (July 2009) on the Jews of north-eastern Portugal (region of Trás-os-Montes) showed that their paternal lines consisted of 35.2% lineages more typical of Europe (R : 31.7%, I : 3.5%), and 64.8% lineages more typical of the Near East than Europe (E1b1b: 8.7%, G: 3.5%, J: 36.8%, T: 15.8%) and consequently, the Portuguese Jews of this region were genetically closer to other Jewish populations than to Portuguese non-Jews.^[42]
[TABLE="class: wikitable"]
[TR]
[TD]N[/TD]
[TD]E-M78[/TD]
[TD]E-M81[/TD]
[TD]E-M34[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]
[TD]I[/TD]
[TD]J1[/TD]
[TD]J2[/TD]
[TD]T[/TD]
[TD]R1a[/TD]
[TD]R1b1b1[/TD]
[TD]R1b1b1b2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]57[/TD]
[TD]3.5%[/TD]
[TD]5.2%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]3.5%[/TD]
[TD]3.5%[/TD]
[TD]12.3%[/TD]
[TD]24.5%[/TD]
[TD]15.8%[/TD]
[TD]1.8%[/TD]
[TD]1.8%[/TD]
[TD]28.1%[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_of_Jewish_origins#Y-DNA_of_Jews_from_North_Africa

I wasnt aware that the people you mentioned were ancestors of North African Jews. Thanks for info. So J would be the most common haplotype (including J2 I would imagine.) I believe that in antiquity at a particular point in time it would have been correct to term the people of the Asian med Canaanites all the way down from Syria Lebanon and Israel. This is when the long sea ventures were taking place. J2 is also found in significant numbers in South Europe (Balkans and south of Italy, including Malta at 22% J2 / 8% J1). So from what I can gather this makes me curious to know the haplogroup from my Mothers father, I very much believe it might turn to be a J1 or J2. (my next phase of the project to find out) Unfortunately the name is not in the dna project and I was not successful to have anyone tested. I think my father E-V13 puts me in the South europe / Balkan area. My Grandmother from my father side ydna was G2a (according to the dna project) and Grandmothers father from my mother side was British (presuming to be R1b) I asked my mother if his mum was Jewish and she said she didint think so. (so I dont know where I got that from) Her name was Jane Lane and could not related the surname to Jewish orgins). My great grand mothers father (from my mum side) was I2b (according to the dna project). More difficult to to get Mtdna, and all I know that my mother is H. So there you go that is already quite a mix ...........but one learns something new every day :grin:

 

[Maleth]

Here are my results from the Eurogenes EU test:

Admix Results (sorted):

Population

EAST_MED

[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]

[TD="align: right"] Percent [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]29.89[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]ATLANTIC[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]14.88[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]WEST_MED[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]14.56[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]WEST_ASIAN[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]12.28[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]MIDDLE_EASTERN[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]10.43[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]9.42[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]SOUTH_BALTIC[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.05[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]EAST_EURO[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.27[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]9[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]WEST_AFRICAN[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]0.63[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]10[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]EAST_ASIAN[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]0.35[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]11[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]EAST_AFRICAN[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]0.24[/TD]

Single Population Sharing:

Population (source)

South_Italian_&_Sicilian

[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]

[TD="align: right"] Distance [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]4.78[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]AJ[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]6.1[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]GR[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]6.75[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Tuscan[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]12.45[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]North_Italian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]16.65[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]TR[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]19.63[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]RO[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]19.72[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Serbian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]21.54[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]9[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]PT[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]22.74[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]10[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Assyrian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]23.12[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]11[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]IQ[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]23.51[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]12[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Armenian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]23.99[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]13[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]ES[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]24.4[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]14[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Mandean[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]24.85[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]15[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Samaritan[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]25.08[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]16[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Kurdish[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]25.51[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]17[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]Druze[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]25.55[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]18[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]IR[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]25.81[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]19[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]FR[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]26.95[/TD]

[TD="width: 40, align: center"]20[/TD]
[TD="width: 220"]AT[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]27.24[/TD]

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

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[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]

[TD="colspan: 3"] Primary Population (source) [/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Secondary Population (source) [/TD]
[TD="align: right"] Distance [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]94.8%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]5.2%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Udmurt[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.11[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]93.7%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]6.3%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Scottish[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.12[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]51.4%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Assyrian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]48.6%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]ES[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.19[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]93.9%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]6.1%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]IE[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.19[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]93.9%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]6.1%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Orcadian[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.2[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]95.1%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]4.9%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Erzya[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.21[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]94.6%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]5.4%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]North_Swedish[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.24[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]95.1%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]4.9%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Finnish[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.26[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]9[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]95.3%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]4.7%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]East_Finnish[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.27[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]10[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]93.9%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]6.1%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Cornish[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.28[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]11[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]90.9%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]9.1%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Serbian[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.28[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]12[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]95.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]4.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]Komi[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.29[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]13[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]67.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]32.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]AJ[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.3[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]14[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]94.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]5.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]DK[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.3[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]15[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]95.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]4.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]North_Russian[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.3[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]16[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]95.3%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]4.7%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]East_Russian[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.31[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]17[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]93.8%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]6.2%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]West_&_Central_German[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.32[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]18[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]94.8%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]5.2%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]NO[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.33[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]19[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]90.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]9.5%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]RO[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.33[/TD]

[TD="width: 20, align: center"]20[/TD]
[TD="width: 15"][/TD]
[TD="width: 30, align: right"]95.6%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]South_Italian_&_Sicilian[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: right"]4.4%[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]EE[/TD]

[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.33[/TD]

Admix Results (sorted):

Population

EAST_MED

[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]

[TD="align: right"] Percent [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]29.89[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]ATLANTIC[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]14.88[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]WEST_MED[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]14.56[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]WEST_ASIAN[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]12.28[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]MIDDLE_EASTERN[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]10.43[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]9.42[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]SOUTH_BALTIC[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.05[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]EAST_EURO[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.27[/TD]

Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 5.323043
2 AJ @ 6.923173
3 GR @ 7.640398
4 Tuscan @ 14.153313
5 North_Italian @ 19.127386
6 TR @ 22.196642
7 RO @ 22.587809
8 Serbian @ 24.797844
9 PT @ 26.361053
10 IQ @ 26.498209
11 Assyrian @ 26.574596
12 Armenian @ 27.604151
13 ES @ 28.267944
14 Mandean @ 28.380276
15 Kurdish @ 28.843000
16 IR @ 28.933260
17 Samaritan @ 28.947187
18 Druze @ 29.932791
19 FR @ 31.357939
20 AT @ 31.518906

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Assyrian +50% ES @ 4.891476


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% AJ +25% Druze +25% French_Basque @ 3.777595


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Assyrian + Druze + ES + ES @ 2.376303
2 Druze + ES + ES + Mandean @ 2.662993
3 Druze + French_Basque + Mandean + North_Italian @ 2.664304
4 AJ + Druze + French_Basque + TR @ 2.701958
5 Assyrian + Druze + ES + PT @ 2.709047
6 Druze + French_Basque + Mandean + Tuscan @ 2.806685
7 Armenian + Druze + ES + ES @ 3.055863
8 Armenian + Druze + ES + PT @ 3.061779
9 Assyrian + Druze + ES + North_Italian @ 3.071738
10 Druze + ES + Mandean + PT @ 3.098068
11 Druze + French_Basque + South_Italian_&_Sicilian + TR @ 3.150371
12 Assyrian + Druze + French_Basque + North_Italian @ 3.157905
13 Assyrian + Druze + French_Basque + Tuscan @ 3.202078
14 Druze + ES + Mandean + North_Italian @ 3.208415
15 Druze + ES + FR + Mandean @ 3.212695
16 Assyrian + Druze + PT + PT @ 3.287118
17 Assyrian + Druze + ES + FR @ 3.294758
18 AJ + Druze + French_Basque + GR @ 3.313377
19 Armenian + Druze + PT + PT @ 3.372040
20 Druze + French_Basque + IQ + Tuscan @ 3.377867

Pretty sure the ES is Extremadura Spanish.

You are more closely related to Sicilians then I am, so I was correct to classify your photo as south european. Would you be knowing your ydna deeper subclade from the new results?

 

[John Doe]

You are more closely related to Sicilians then I am, so I was correct to classify your photo as south european. Would you be knowing your ydna deeper subclade from the new results?

Unfortunately the test with FTDNA that I currently took was a gift from a friend, and the friend gave me the cheapest version which is the autosomal version, however, when I'll have the possibility I'll take the Y test.

 

[Maleth]

Unfortunately the test with FTDNA that I currently took was a gift from a friend, and the friend gave me the cheapest version which is the autosomal version, however, when I'll have the possibility I'll take the Y test.

It will happen one day. Since you already know you have the basic E-35, I am inclined to believe from your automsmal results you might be E-34 (which is the second most popular haplogroup amoungst Jews) or maybe even V13...never know.

 

[Angela]

In fact I just had a read on Haplogroups amoungst North African and Portughese Jews, in both cases E-M81 is quite minimal just as you stated.This is what it says:- quote:- Y-DNA of Jews from North Africa[edit]

The largest study to date on the Jews of North Africa has been led by Gerard Lucotte et al. in 2003.^[33] This study showed that the Jews of North Africa^{[Note 7]} showed frequencies of their paternal haplotypes almost equal to those of the Lebanese and Palestinian non-Jews.
The authors also compared the distribution of haplotypes of Jews from North Africa with Sephardi Jews and Ashkenazi Jews and found a common origin between these groups.^[39] The Jewish community of the island of Djerba in Tunisia is of special interest, making the tradition back to the time of the destruction of the First Temple. Two studies have attempted to test this hypothesis first by G. Lucotte et al. from 1993,^[40] the second of F. Manni et al. of 2005.^[41] They also conclude that the Jews of Djerba's paternal gene pool is different from the Arabs and Berbers of the island. For the first 77.5% of samples tested are of haplotype VIII (probably similar to the J haplogroup according Lucotte), the second shows that 100% of the samples are of Haplogroup J *. The second suggests that it is unlikely that the majority of this community comes from an ancient colonization of the island while for Lucotte it is unclear whether this high frequency is really an ancient relationship.
These studies therefore suggest that the paternal lineage of North African Jews comes predominantly from the Middle East with a minority contribution of African lineages, probably Berbers-: end quote


Y-DNA of Portuguese Jews[edit]

A recent study by Inês Nogueiro et al. (July 2009) on the Jews of north-eastern Portugal (region of Trás-os-Montes) showed that their paternal lines consisted of 35.2% lineages more typical of Europe (R : 31.7%, I : 3.5%), and 64.8% lineages more typical of the Near East than Europe (E1b1b: 8.7%, G: 3.5%, J: 36.8%, T: 15.8%) and consequently, the Portuguese Jews of this region were genetically closer to other Jewish populations than to Portuguese non-Jews.^[42]
[TABLE="class: wikitable"]
[TR]
[TD]N[/TD]
[TD]E-M78[/TD]
[TD]E-M81[/TD]
[TD]E-M34[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]
[TD]I[/TD]
[TD]J1[/TD]
[TD]J2[/TD]
[TD]T[/TD]
[TD]R1a[/TD]
[TD]R1b1b1[/TD]
[TD]R1b1b1b2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]57[/TD]
[TD]3.5%[/TD]
[TD]5.2%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]3.5%[/TD]
[TD]3.5%[/TD]
[TD]12.3%[/TD]
[TD]24.5%[/TD]
[TD]15.8%[/TD]
[TD]1.8%[/TD]
[TD]1.8%[/TD]
[TD]28.1%[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_of_Jewish_origins#Y-DNA_of_Jews_from_North_Africa

I wasnt aware that the people you mentioned were ancestors of North African Jews. Thanks for info. So J would be the most common haplotype (including J2 I would imagine.) I believe that in antiquity at a particular point in time it would have been correct to term the people of the Asian med Canaanites all the way down from Syria Lebanon and Israel. This is when the long sea ventures were taking place. J2 is also found in significant numbers in South Europe (Balkans and south of Italy, including Malta at 22% J2 / 8% J1). So from what I can gather this makes me curious to know the haplogroup from my Mothers father, I very much believe it might turn to be a J1 or J2. (my next phase of the project to find out) Unfortunately the name is not in the dna project and I was not successful to have anyone tested. I think my father E-V13 puts me in the South europe / Balkan area. My Grandmother from my father side ydna was G2a (according to the dna project) and Grandmothers father from my mother side was British (presuming to be R1b) I asked my mother if his mum was Jewish and she said she didint think so. (so I dont know where I got that from) Her name was Jane Lane and could not related the surname to Jewish orgins). My great grand mothers father (from my mum side) was I2b (according to the dna project). More difficult to to get Mtdna, and all I know that my mother is H. So there you go that is already quite a mix ...........but one learns something new every day :grin:

Believe me, I've seen Moroccans in Italy, and I just saw a big group of them in Orlando, Florida, and there is no way anyone could ever mistake Moroccan Jews for regular Moroccans, with the possible exception of a small group in the Rif, and even they, although lighter, have different facial features.

One other point about why the Ashkenazim show up on Oracle results for the Maltese and the Sicilians. If you look at the Lazaridis et al three population table, you can see that both the Ashkenazim and the Maltese are 93% EEF. Without an IBD analysis, you can see why an algorithm might see them as very similar populations even though their population history and culture are very different. The Sicilians come in at 90% EEF, so it explains to some degree why the same thing sometimes happens to them and other far southern Italians. (I haven't seen a figure for the Cypriots, but I would imagine its about the same, although they might have gotten more ANE.) Most Spaniards don't have much lower scores, coming in at 81%, but I think their North African input causes the algorithm to choose high EEF/high Berber populations for their mix, so they often show North African in dodecad.

 

[Maleth]

One other point about why the Ashkenazim show up on Oracle results for the Maltese and the Sicilians. If you look at the Lazaridis et al three population table, you can see that both the Ashkenazim and the Maltese are 93% EEF. Without an IBD analysis, you can see why an algorithm might see them as very similar populations even though their population history and culture are very different. The Sicilians come in at 90% EEF, so it explains to some degree why the same thing sometimes happens to them and other far southern Italians. (I haven't seen a figure for the Cypriots, but I would imagine its about the same, although they might have gotten more ANE.)

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I agree with you. Its all about percentages that happen to co relate in different geographical areas probably from the same haplotypes from an original source pre creation of monolithic religions. That might change a little once haplotypes will be split further downstream indicating maybe different routes. It also might not be so obvious. Even in regards to the EEF and ANE issues I believe that the sampling is far too tiny and very often based on just one or two samples which cannot be indicitave of large areas all over the EuroAsian continent.

Just a side not on the pigmentation chart, its surprising that Genoa in the north scores less then Rome in the centre.

 

[Angela]

I agree with you. Its all about percentages that happen to co relate in different geographical areas probably from the same haplotypes from an original source pre creation of monolithic religions. That might change a little once haplotypes will be split further downstream indicating maybe different routes. It also might not be so obvious. Even in regards to the EEF and ANE issues I believe that the sampling is far too tiny and very often based on just one or two samples which cannot be indicitave of large areas all over the EuroAsian continent.

Just a side not on the pigmentation chart, its surprising that Genoa in the north scores less then Rome in the centre.

Sorry...that chart has nothing to do with your thread...my finger must have slipped when I was looking for the Lazaridis one. Yes, that one's an anomaly, although this is only one snp, and pigmentation traits are polygenic, and then I have a feeling some of these studies are done on college students, who can come from anywhere. I do think, though, that coastal western Liguria (and adjacent areas of France) are a little darker than eastern Liguria and even into some areas of Tuscany in my subjective opinion. It might be that eastern Liguria has mixed a lot with the Lunigiana and the Garfagnana, which have a few pockets with pretty "fair" people. Also, when I was investigating this whole issue I took a look at some very detailed maps of the general area in terms of solar reflectance and UV levels. It definitely gets higher levels than surrounding areas, which makes sense...that's why it has a Mediterranean climate and flora and fauna, and inland Liguria, Toscana, Piemonte, do not, and have more of a continental climate. Higher UV levels equals less selection for fair skin. I think that to some extent explains the situation in Spain as well.