Free and independent Kurdistan is coming soon.

[Piro Ilir]

@ to all,

Guys Daesh has a second to play,
the SAUDs,
the old king is dead,
and the new one has a health problem,
soon power will pass to a person who is friendly to Mullas,
and already a fitvah has given to him, by what I hear,
soon this war will pass inside Saudis,
and that can bring many problem,

You mean that ISIS will attack saudia state? Can you elaborate more?

 

[Piro Ilir]

They got it from Iraqi's Army running away or joining Daesh.
Like it is hard to imagine that people want to be free and liberate themselves from Tyrants?

Of course there are people who wants to live in freedom. Yetos is looking gosts all over

 

[Piro Ilir]

Which coutry doesn't act hypocrisily?

Kosova can be independent country but not Abkhazia. One of them supporting by USA, one of them Russia.

Unfortunately, each country faces with own dilemmas

What about Crimea? Crimea got her independence and joined the Russia. Today is a Russian province.
(I think Russia invaded Crimea)

 

[Piro Ilir]

interesting vocabulary,
Are you an Albanian, an Arnaut?

Why you think he is an Albanian?

 

[Boreas]

"
The Israel already had enemies around their borders, why would they needed more? Besides, cite Snowden documents and not opinions of others.

Just keep your curosity and search

Ok, so now Israel is the West? I thought you meant Europe and US, as the West. I hope you noticed that Obama and Natanyahu are not friends.

Yeah Israel always be the part of Western Politics. Even Majority in Israel is European Jews so, Israel is in West group as Australia

interesting vocabulary,
Are you an Albanian, an Arnaut?

Is it beacuse of Kosova, instead of Kosovo? The name of the country is Kosova in Turkish as in Albanian language

No, I am not. My ancestry is Turk and from Bulgarian and Greece. At least this is what I know. However my genetics test says some far slavic and armenian relatives.

USA supported the mujahideen fighters, not al-Qaeda. Al- Qaeda was founded later. You guys are confusing the periods. Bin Laden was a volunteer in Afghanistan against the Soviets as many others. After the fell of communism Bin Laden and the Egyptian El Zahwairi formed the Al Qaeda.

Al-Qaeda was found just one year before the end of the Soviet-Afghan War. Islamist Mujahideen fighters were core of the first Al-Qaeda

What about Crimea? Crimea got her independence and joined the Russia. Today is a Russian province.
(I think Russia invaded Crimea)

Yes, it is similar. There is no ethic or rule just the big guys shape the world.

 

[LeBrok]

Of course there are people who wants to live in freedom. Yetos is looking gosts all over

Yes, he can see conspiracies everywhere.

 

[LeBrok]

USA supported the mujahideen fighters, not al-Qaeda. Al- Qaeda was founded later. You guys are confusing the periods. Bin Laden was a volunteer in Afghanistan against the Soviets as many others. After the fell of communism Bin Laden and the Egyptian El Zahwairi formed the Al Qaeda.

You are right. Thanks for correction.

 

[LeBrok]

Just keep your curosity and search

I'm not the one who brings extraordinary claims. The proof lies on the claimant, you.

Yeah Israel always be the part of Western Politics. Even Majority in Israel is European Jews so, Israel is in West group as Australia

It doesn't mean they have the same foreign policy.

Yes, it is similar. There is no ethic or rule just the big guys shape the world.

So who wants a huge bloody conflict in Near East between Sunni and Shia?

Tell us what most Turks think about ISIS, or what you think about them?

 

[Boreas]

I'm not the one who brings extraordinary claims. The proof lies on the claimant, you.

I am enough old to know that reality is not what told us like in Nayirah case

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony)

It doesn't mean they have the same foreign policy.

Do you believe that British and American foreign policy match 100%? Do German and British policy match with American's as similar rate?

Tell us what most Turks think about ISIS, or what you think about them?

There is no most Turks. There is a huge polarisation, so there is two different polar and ideas

 

[Khaleeji]

Do people hate arabs here and support Kurds only

 

[Khaleeji]

i'm an arab and love kurds

 

[Piro Ilir]

i'm an arab and love kurds

I don't think all the members here love the Kurds and hate the Arabs. Why you think so? The problem with the Kurds, is that they don't have their own state. They are like the orphans . Prophet Mohamed as, was an ethnic Arab. It doesn't mean that the Arabs are a superior race. They are equal with the Turks, Kurds, Iranians etc.

 

[LeBrok]

I am enough old to know that reality is not what told us like in Nayirah case

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony)

Oh, so you don't believe the West because Kuwaiti women lied in court? Isn't it obvious that she wanted his country to be liberated, by any price.

Do you believe that British and American foreign policy match 100%? Do German and British policy match with American's as similar rate?

Similar but not the same. You will find even more differences between US and Spain, Greece or Japan.

There is no most Turks. There is a huge polarisation, so there is two different polar and ideas

Let's put it this way, do you think Turkish government is pro or anti ISIS?

 

[LeBrok]

Do people hate arabs here and support Kurds only

We don't need to hate Arabs in order to like Kurds. I don't think Arabs are important in this issue, but Persians and Turks.

 

[Boreas]

Oh, so you don't believe the West because Kuwaiti women lied in court?

East, West, South or North it doesn't matter. Lie is a lie. If you stretch the rules for yourself, someone do it for himself.

Similar but not the same. You will find even more differences between US and Spain, Greece or Japan.

so why should I give a name West for the US and Europe, but not including Israel. As you said Greece foreign policy is more different then US, if we think Israel.

Let's put it this way, do you think Turkish government is pro or anti ISIS?

At first absolutely, all West Block support all rebels against Assad with using Israel and Turkey.

 

[Sile]

East, West, South or North it doesn't matter. Lie is a lie. If you stretch the rules for yourself, someone do it for himself.




so why should I give a name West for the US and Europe, but not including Israel. As you said Greece foreign policy is more different then US, if we think Israel.



At first absolutely, all West Block support all rebels against Assad with using Israel and Turkey.

The turks should have been brought to the war crimes tribunal for the genocide on the Armenians and also now for the Genocide on the Kurds.

Turkey was very lucky they where no split apart after WW1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partitioning_of_the_Ottoman_Empire
There will be no second chance if you try to rid the country of the kurds

 

[Boreas]

The turks should have been brought to the war crimes tribunal for the genocide on the Armenians and also now for the Genocide on the Kurds.
Turkey was very lucky they where no split apart after WW1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partitioning_of_the_Ottoman_Empire
There will be no second chance if you try to rid the country of the kurds

Sorry but I don't get your point. Why did you use "reply with quote"? Which part of your words has purpose to reply my post?

Firstly, calling Genocide for what Armenians faced is insult of real victims of genocides. It was a failed independent war.

Secondly, genocide memorials are shitty things. They are not for remember them and protect the future against something like that. If the real purpose was that, Israel would be best country for human rights. However they are not.

Thirdly, micro nationalism has strong potential one day; Kurds, Catalans, Scottish, Uyghurs will be independent, so what?

 

[DuPidh]

The turks should have been brought to the war crimes tribunal for the genocide on the Armenians and also now for the Genocide on the Kurds.

Turkey was very lucky they where no split apart after WW1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partitioning_of_the_Ottoman_Empire
There will be no second chance if you try to rid the country of the kurds

So should have Greeks. they have committed atrocities in their Greek-Turkish war and in Albania. I guess there is no justice in this world!

 

[LeBrok]

East, West, South or North it doesn't matter. Lie is a lie. If you stretch the rules for yourself, someone do it for himself.

Did Turkey government ever lied?
Why you are singling out the West? We should trust Chinese, Russians, Turks, Arabs, ISIS, etc, and the rest of the world.

so why should I give a name West for the US and Europe, but not including Israel.

In some circumstances you can include Israel as the West, in some you shouldn't. It is not black and white issue.

At first absolutely, all West Block support all rebels against Assad with using Israel and Turkey.

Not all the rebels. Even the rebels that we should support didn't get much of it. It is hard to guess who is who in this Syrian mess.

 

[bicicleur 2]

So should have Greeks. they have committed atrocities in their Greek-Turkish war and in Albania. I guess there is no justice in this world!

in WW II the allies commited war crimes too

the atom bombs on Japan and the bombing of Dresden were war crimes

it is stupid to persecute every war crime , sometimes war crimes provoke other war crimes

that being said, I don't know anything about Greeks in Albania during WW I , I can't judge that

what happens today, I agree with Sile, Erdogan is playing a very dirty game and he is creating an atmosphere that reminds of Ottoman atrocities