Politics Balkanian disagreements.

[ukaj]

Just a Question to all of us,

Kastrioti origin and homeland,

if Kastrioti was from Mat and Kastrat and Kastrat in Albania, would he be a Geni-tsar?

Genitsars Γενιτσαροι was the blood taxation to Ottoman empire from areas that Turks occupied before 1453 and Mohamet 2,
so was Albania under and the areas that Albanians claim under Ottoman rule at that time?

cause Kastrioti was a Genitsar, meaning his homeland was under ottoman control before 1453 and probably from the times of Beyazit 1

Beyazit 1 took Makedonia (Ematheia and Casturia) at Ottoman control much before, so until 1821, Makedonia gave blood taxation to Ottomans,

Please if you are trying to find away of scanderbeg being greek it pure propaganda,Hear is why,he didnt speak greek infact he fought greeks,he also fought serbs even when he fought with albanian an as albanians he ravished serbian lands.Their was no mention of greeks in his army but only catholic albanians meaning only gheg were catholics,battle mokra only albanians battle dibra albanians.since all territorys of most of nobles familys written from 1400s to 1500s was only in gheg language with latin influence as it is still influenced heavy with latin then their is no way in the world he was greek 0.If he was greek then im sure he would have fell back an defended thessalika.after he was captured an fled the ottoman army he went striat to his people albanian.in gheg arbon.scanderbeg was prince of epirus because the albanian population their from early as 13ctry an early.prince of emathia meaning macedonia was meaning dibra since it is north western macedonia.By the way the pre indoeuropean word for emathia is sa madh.Do you see where we get the roots of that word,malesia i emadh this describes places of our lands an population of albanian people.notice how scanderbeg only fought as low as north epirus an not into modern greece?their were many greeks fighting for the ottoman empire that northern destoyed aswell as southerns.You see i think we should tlk about greek influence in the ottoman empire..have great day.have you ever seen northern tribes names?if you have then you may know why he was gheg,,I hail from these tribes,an i am catholic albanian whom remained catholic from the times the nobels left for italia we remained to help dukagjinit save our lands an we did for 25yrs until we fell.but we kept religion because the pope payed our tax

 

[Ike]

You are asking. Albanian ethnic macedonian background.Where is the serbian ethnic background of macedonia?You for all people know that serbs are not even related to macedonians. serbs were not even in balkans when macedonia was called macedonia,Serb live in macedonia because of the yugoslavian empire you gained land through the empire as with the albanians land you gained through empire. As did the bulgarians..An dibra is part of albanian lands 100%.I dont see serbians defending macedonia in 1400s but albanians did in battle of mokra an dibra dibra was part of mati region in 1400s. where are the serbs then?wake up to yourself.macedonia is mixed ethnic back ground serbians,bulgarians,roma,albanians an greeks. 90% of people in dibra are albanians..,Infact just under half the population of macedonia are albanians.So please worry about who you are. You if are from macedonia are more likely bulgarian or serb.bulgarians are just simatic slavs an turkish people who mixed with eachother this is why bulgarians are called bulgarians,it comes from the turkish tribe bulgar

You must stop this idiotic chant dude. What's wrong with you?

How can you say this.when infact all the written medievil was in my dilect?remeber my dilect is spoken by 1 group.i showed you righting from 14ctry,15ctry an 16 ctry an all in gheg albanian.I think that is enough prove my friend since my dilect is only spoken by albanians on mainland albania.You think 600yrs of living with italians,greko wont change arbreshe language?you think arbreshe an arbanties is still medievil?haha you out of your mind,infact i dont see arbreshe,arbantie been spoken in medievil times if this is the case then since gheg was the only language documented would mean arbreshe an arbanties spoke gheg,Srry my friend maybe you should ask my southern brothers this question because my dilect was documented AS I SHOWN YOU

Don't evade the answer. This has got nothing to do with language evolution that happens with all languages. You didn't show anything. Where did you show? What did you show. Why are you making things up?

 

[Yetos]

@ Ukaj

as you see Albania is outside of the state of Murad 1,
that makes statistically impossible Kastrioti to become a yenitsar,

the only possible is to come from Makedonia areas, or some around Kossovo-Tettovo?

but is that Mat or Kastrat? I mean are Madhe in the areas of red/pink in the map?
on controversary Makedonian Ημαθεια Kαστορια (Casturia) was under Ottoman empire from Beyazit A,

 

[ukaj]

You must stop this idiotic chant dude. What's wrong with you?




Don't evade the answer. This has got nothing to do with language evolution that happens with all languages. You didn't show anything. Where did you show? What did you show. Why are you making things up?

You are anti albanian but thats fine,ok Leke Dukagjinin was the catholic albanian whom gave me my laws of my tribe.kanuni i lek dukagjinit was given to northern tribes so if any albanian wanted to fight us they would think twice in doing so meaning their family would be in danger of trying to fight with us,they would be killed.but the kanuni maybe older from times of illyrians etc.the besa given to arbreshe,arbantie,southern albanians come from kanun besa is very strong in our people we wont brake it. meaning.if we are not same as arbreshe an arbanties then how in the hell did they get the word besa. since it is coded for all albanians mainly north tribes,But im sure southern albanians had ab still have besa. it through all of us,language wise albanian today still speak simular language to of arbreshe an arbanties the diffrence is through alphabet an great deal of assimulation.they do not speak the old language so much anymore.the invasion of the Balkans by the Ottoman Turks in the 15th century forced many Arbëreshë to emigrate from Albania and Epiro to the southern italia. as 15ctry albanian gheg was already recorded in an 14ctry an the kanuni was also done in 15ctry ,, so this means the people of this time at this point were speaking gheg albanian.Bellifortis Manuscript from 1405
,baptism formula from 1462: Unte paghesont premenit Atit e birit et sperit senit “I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost” GHEG DILECT . These are religious works associated with the Counter-Reformation movement, and most of them are in the Gheg dialect. The first Albanian book is Meshari by Gjon Buzuku (1555, Pal Engjëlli

Pal was theArchbishop of Durrës who in 1462 wrote the first known sentence retrieved so far in Albanian. Pal Engjëlli is reported to have been a friend, co-worker and close counselor of Scanderbeg.he wrote in my dilect.this what you not understand,if everyone is saying arbreshe an arbanties are tosks then they are not ghegs since it is only spoken by gheg albanians.but i doubt this,,
ved in a single copy.HOW AM I MAKING THINGS UP WHEN THESE WERE WRITEN DOWN OF THE TIME ABRESHE WERE STILL IN ALBANIA?

now as for albanian gheg an tosk aswell as arbreshe an arbantie hear you go open picture please.

This last picture is of all albanian dilects,gheg,arvanti,arbreshe an tosk.I would be a idiot to say that all our language has not suffered influence.such as turkish etc,But albanian language has suffered less than of others such as slavs,an the greeks,,but what i showed you their in these pictures is enough to know who we are an who they are.Gheg has gone through alot of changes in vowels because of the standard of our language due to standard albanian does not put our words an phrase in to standard

 

[ukaj]

@ Ukaj

as you see Albania is outside of the state of Murad 1,
that makes statistically impossible Kastrioti to become a yenitsar,

the only possible is to come from Makedonia areas, or some around Kossovo-Tettovo?

but is that Mat or Kastrat? I mean are Madhe in the areas of red/pink in the map?
on controvhersary Makedonian Ημαθεια Kαστορια (Casturia) was under Ottoman empire from Beyazit A,

Yetos i want to get 1 thing strait with you.Scanderbeg was not greek.when arbanties became greek an lost their idenity doesnt make scanderbeg greek their love for scanderbeg was bought to greece with them an when they became greek so did scanderbeg,,Ill cleat that up.In

blue is tosk region. an in red is gheg regions,mati region is in this picture .back in times mati region went from dibra to kruja parts durres an worked upwards to lezhe an all the way up mirdita, shkodra.I would say on the border of your map.pink an red

 

[ukaj]

No. You call yourselves Albanians to emula te the continuity between medieval Albanains and yourselves.


Ok for the 5th time - where is the EVIDENCE of that continuity? Return to post #435!

Now my questions ike.
Do you think yugoslavians speak the same language as they do today?old church slav?are you the same as the old slavs?Did you know their is around 7000 turkish words in serbian language today Did you know thats far more than whats in albanian language ?SO can you show me your language of the old slav that has not gone through changes?I belive you are not The same as the old slavs who settled in yugoslavia because you have to much turkish,Did you know that in greek language their is over 11 thousand turkish words?can you show me written evidence that you speak same language after 1500s?Im interested what you will come up with ike..evidence of that continuity?

 

[DejaVu]

Turkish name for Eagle = Osman - Shqiptar (Albanian) name for Eagle = Shqipe


Settlement of Albanians in Macedonia


Historical evidence shows that the first Albanians in Macedonia began to migrate even more intense after the mid-18th century.

According to the Ottoman census of year 1430-1431, in Macedonia there was Albanians. Already by the mid-15th century, with the conversion of Albanians in a minority they started coming in Macedonia as Turkish soldiers and mercenaries, but in a very minor number. The Ottoman census of year 1452-1453 are only 32 Albanian families recorded on the territory of Macedonia, 31 family vilayet Kalkandelen (nest) and 1 Catholic family in Skopje. These Albanians have mostly been Islamized and Ottoman authorities blaming as ARNAUTS or Arbanasi, as could differ from indigenous. The census in notepads, Ottomans personal names Albanians added the "Arbanasi" or "Arnaut" to distinguish them from the natives, that there were no adjectives for nationality.


Ottoman census of year 1467-1468, the notes only 84 Albanian households on the territory of Macedonia and recesses in the following:

Census year 1467-1468

Vilayet Kalkandelen (nest) 20 households
Vilayet USKUP (Skopje) 2 households
Vilayet Pirlepe (Prilep) 10 households
Vilayet Kjiprjuli (Veles) 3 households
Nahiya Krchovo (Kicevo) 7 households
Nahiya Mariovo 1 household
Nahiya Manastir (Bitola) 41 household

Source: TDIMN. ODM, t. III, p. 35-143 (Vilayet Kalkandelen), p. 150; TDIMN. ODM, t. I, p. 197-199; TDIMN. ODM, t. II, s.139-271 (nahiя Monastery), p. 271-485


The first six Albanian villages in Macedonia

Albanians came to the borders of Macedonia in year 1572. Frenchman Philippe Kanaje described the capture of Kačanik by some as personally wrote "Albanian groups of killers and thieves" in year 1572.

(Frankish Travel to the Balkans, s.140).


In year 1595 for the first time in recorded history a den of Albanian gang robbed a few Poloski villages and many villagers wounded and killed.

(J. Trifunoski, nest, p. 38).


Under Ottoman document from year 1597, about 10,000 Albanian-robbers of northern Albania, robbed and burned 27 villages in western Macedonia, and in 6 of these villages, in Debar area, settled Albanians for the first time in Macedonia.

(Sopova, MD. Quoted. Sъch., P. 83).

So, the first settlement of Albanians in a Macedonian village occured 3 years before the 17th century and it was in the Debar.


Albanian settlement in Skopje area

The Ottoman document from year 1595 first noted the presence of "predatory arnaut groups" in the Skopje area, but no Albanian settlement.

(Sopova, MD. Quoted. Sъch., P. 78-79)


Albanians began to gradually conquer the high mountain villages of Macedonia Skopje Montenegro, even at the end of the 17th century.

(Materials, 536. / "ARNAUTS" Vasil Kъnchov, "Makedoniя. Etnografiя and statistics" (v. 11 cards), published Bъlgarskoto Literary druzhestva c Sofia, 1900 Chastna pъrva. Peoples c Makedoniя. Arnauts., P. 83-100 ).


Albanians first occupied the highest villages in Skopje Macedonian Montenegro area and then gradually got down to the lower villages. The village of Brest was until the 19th century pure Macedonian village and in the village Luboten Albanians entered in the late 18th century.

(Vasil Kъnchov, "Makedoniя. Etnografiя and statistics" Chastna pъrva.Narodi c Makedoniя. Arnauts., P. 83-100).


German traveler Han in the second half of the 19th century visited the Albanian villages in Skopje Montenegro area. The Albanians themselves informed that they moved in Skopje northern mountains after Austrian wars, and that's the end of the 17th century.

(Hahn, Reise von Belgrad nach Salonik, Wien, 1868th p. 70).


By the 20th century, the flower Black Peak settled Albanians in 21 Macedonian villages. They came from Kosovo during the 18th and 19th centuries, and residents of Aldinci know that their ancestors came to Aldinci of Gnjilane.

(Material, p. 523rd / Vasil Kъnchov, "Makedoniя. Etnografiя and statistics" Chastna pъrva. Peoples c Makedoniя. Arnauts., P. 83-100).


The first field units Albanians descended even into the 19th century, during the management of Hamza Pasha, an Albanian, who gradually settled Albanians of northern Albania.

(J. Trifunoski, Skopje Polje, 358).


Albanian settlement of Nest

Early Albanian settlement that occupied the Nest, started from the middle of the 18th century. However, at that time they were a very small minority group in the Nest, Until the first half of the 19th century, when the Nest was Albanian ruled by Abdurrahman Pasha, was violently and mass inhabited by Albanians from northern Albania.

(J. Trifunoski, nest, s. 71-74)


Much of the indigenous Macedonian population in Nest, was violently albanized, whole generation were albanized, and many women and girls under the pressure of Tetovo Albanian pashas and their oppression.

(J. Trifunoski, nest, p. 38-39, 50-51)


The same happened with Kichevija, where most of them are actually of Albanian Macedonian origin. Therefore, we can say that the Albanians in Macedonia are Macedonian brothers.

Albanians from s. Tearce were inhabited by the Tetovo pashas, ​​the Mat, Lower Debar and Prizren, the Albanians.from s Dobroshte came from Debar and Luma. In s.Dlabochica, s.Strazha and s.Kultino Albanians come from Dukachin Luma. The last village, Abdurrahman Pasha in the early 19th century expelled Macedonians and Albanians settled (material (Sofia), 437, 439, 446-447).


In Zhedenskata area until the early 19th century Macedonians lived exclusively, but later the Albanians to migrate there from Rech and Dolni Debar.

The Albanian violence, made Macedonians to mass flee Nest and left empty villages. Vasil K´nchov in the last decade of the 19th century, visited Macedonia and describes the village of Gorno year 1860 and counted 30 Macedonian families. In 1890 villages Palatica, Korito,Forino and Chajle, was left bare and empty.

(V. "News" years. II no. 12, 13th / Vasil Kъnchov, "Makedoniя. Etnografiя and statistics" Chastna pъrva.Narodi c Makedoniя. Arnauts., P. 83-100).


Macedonian ethnographer Trifunoski mentions that Katranje villages and Erebino shared the same fate and was left empty.

(J. Trifunoski, nest, 39-40).

 

[DejaVu]

Ranko Matasović - University of Zagreb - A Grammatical Sketch of Albanian for students of Indo-European
http://www.academia.edu/1489387/A_Grammatical_Sketch_of_Albanian_for_Students_of_Indo-European

The modern orthography of Albanian, which will be used here, was adopted in 1908, at the congress of Monastir. It should be noted, however, that older linguistic books, such as Pokorny’s etymological dictionary, still use the antiquated transcription adapted by Gustav Meyer in the nineteenth century. Before that, Albanian used to be written in the so-called Elbasan or Todhri alphabet, which had developed from the cursive Greek alphabet.

Nothing is known about Albanians until the 11th century, when they are mentioned by Byzantine historians. The Albanian language is mentioned for the first time outside Albania, in the Croatian city of Dubrovnik, in the vicinity of which there appears to have been an Albanian community. In 1285, a man named Matthew recorded this sentence in the context of investigation of a robbery: Audivi unam vocem clamantem in monte in lingua Albanesca. Not long after that, Anonymi descriptio Europae Orientalis (1308) states that the Albanian language is not related to any of the neighboring languages, and thus confirms that lingua Albanesca is indeed the predecessor of modern Albanian: Habent enim Albani prefati linguam distinctam a Latinis, Grecis et Sclavis ita quod in nullo se inteligunt cum aliis nationibus.

The earliest documents of the Albanian language stem from the 15th century. Besides a few almost unintelligible lines from the so-called Bellifortis Manuscript from 1405, the first sentence of Albanian we have is the baptism formula from 1462: Unte paghesont premenit Atit e birit et sperit senit “I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost”.1It is preserved in a work by Paulus Angelus, the Archbishop of Dyrrachium (Alb. Durrës). From 1483 we have one Albanian sentence in the Renaissance comedy “Epirota” by Tommaso de Mezzo (draburi to clofto goglie = tramburë të kloftë golja “may your mouth tremble (from sickness)!”), and from 1497 the earliest document of Albanian of some length, the glossary by a German traveler Von Harff. Von Harff was an adventurer who wrote a kind of tourist guide in which he collected valuable information about various European languages including Basque, Modern Greek and Albanian. He provided his reader with the native equivalents of such useful phrases as “How much does this cost?”, “What is that”, and “Woman, I want to sleep with you”. There are also a number of Venetian documents from 13th-15th centuries in which sevearal Albanian names are mentioned, as well as a few nouns.

The earliest documents of Albanian literature sensu stricto are from the 16th and 17th century. These are religious works associated with the Counter-Reformation movement, and most of them are in the Gheg dialect. The first Albanian book is Meshari by Gjon Buzuku (1555, preserved in a single copy), and this was soon followed by works of Lekë Matrënga (Catechismo di F. Ledesma tradotto da Luca Matranga, 1592, in Tosk), Pjetër Budi (Catechismo, 1618 andSpiegazioni della messa romana, 1621, Speculum confessionis tradotto dallo Specchio di confessione, 1612), Frang Bardhi (the author of the first Albanian dictionary – Dizionario latino-epirotico,1635), Pjetër Bogdani (Cuneus prophetarum de Christo salvatore mundi, 1685), and Nilo Catalano (Dizionario albanese-italiano e italiano-albanese, 1694). Taken all together, very few books were published in Albanian in the 17th and the early 18th centuries. The first grammar of the language is Osservazioni grammaticali nella lingua albanese, published by Francesco Maria da Lecce in 1716, who also wrote a dictionary (in 1702) of some 13 000 entries.

In Meyer’s Etymological dictionary of Albanian, of 5140 “keywords” 1420 are Romance, 540 Slavonic, 1180 Turkish, 840 Modern Greek, and only 400 have a more or less reliable IE etymology. 730 words have no etymology whatsoever. During the past century, I would say that the number of words with IE etymology has risen, while some of Meyer’s Romance etymologies have been rejected, but the number of loan-words in Albanian is still disproportionately high.


GUSTAV MAYER
Modern Albanian language of 5140 keywords:
1420 Romance
540 Slavonic
1180 Turkish
840 Modern Greek
400 IE Etymology
730 Unknown



Common Lexic in Romanian and Albanian. Substrate and Loanwords.
http://www.academia.edu/5766282/Common_Lexic_in_Romanian_and_Albanian._Substrate_and_Loanwords



Evliya Celebi was a 17th century Turkish traveller during the Ottoman period who wrote about his experiences in the empire.
http://www.albanianliterature.net/legends/legend_11.html

Celebi states that the first ancestors of the Albanians were Arabs who arrived in Epirus during the 7th century.

His explanation on how the Albanian language came about and developed is most interesting given that the said language does not belong to any other group in Europe, has a huge number of loanwords, and has several characteristics that do not appear to be European. When referring to the surrounds of Lake Skadar on page 41, Celebi states:
Quote:
They all speak Arnaud, which is like no other tongue. In origin, the Arnaudi were one of the Arab tribes of Quraysh in Mecca. That is why there are some Arabic words still in use among them. When these Arnaud tribesmen emerged from the mountains of Skadar and Vlora,they mingled with the Italians and Franks, and so, during the Caliphate of Omar, produced a language between Arabic and Frankish.

On page 65, Celebi states the following:
Quote:
Jabal-i Alhama subsequently died as a Muslim in the city of Elbasan. In the Tuhfa history, there is extensive information on this Arab tribe. This clan of Quraysh actually do look like Arabs........



There is also a source (Michael Attaliates) that apparently wrote of a people called 'Arbanitai' who were transplanted as mercenaries from Sicily to Albania by a rebel military commander called George Maniakos in 1042.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Attaleiates
Michael Attaleiates or Attaliates (Greek: Μιχαήλ Ἀτταλειάτης) (c.1022-1080) was a Byzantine public servant and historian active in Constantinople and around the empire's provinces in the second half of the eleventh century.^[1] He was a younger contemporary (possibly even a student) of Michael Psellos and likely an older colleague of John Skylitzes, the two other Byzantine historians of the eleventh century whose work survives.

 

[LABERIA]

@ Ukaj

as you see Albania is outside of the state of Murad 1,
that makes statistically impossible Kastrioti to become a yenitsar,

the only possible is to come from Makedonia areas, or some around Kossovo-Tettovo?

but is that Mat or Kastrat? I mean are Madhe in the areas of red/pink in the map?
on controversary Makedonian Ημαθεια Kαστορια (Casturia) was under Ottoman empire from Beyazit A,

What have to do Gjon Kastrioti and Gjergj Kastrioti, Scanderbeg with Murad I?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murad_I

Murad I (Ottoman Turkish: مراد اول‎) (Turkish: I. Murat Hüdavendigâr) (nicknamed Hüdavendigâr, from Persian خداوندگار Khodāvandgār, "the devotee of God" – but meaning "sovereign" in this context) (29 June 1326, Amasya – 15 June 1389, Kosovo Field) was the sultan of the Ottoman Empire from 1362 to 1389. He was a son of Orhan and the Valide Sultan Nilüfer Hatun.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gjon_Kastrioti

Gjon Kastrioti or John Castriot^[a] (13?? – 4 May 1437^[5]) was an Albanian nobleman, member of the Kastrioti family, and the father of Skanderbeg.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skanderbeg

George Kastriot, commonly known as Skanderbeg (from Turkish: İskender Bey; Albanian: Skënderbej or Gjergj Kastrioti Skënderbeu, ; 1405 – 17 January 1468), was a 15th-century Albanian nobleman.^[D]

 

[LABERIA]

Ranko Matasović - University of Zagreb - A Grammatical Sketch of Albanian for students of Indo-European

Golloborda, again with this bunch of "scholars", ovski, vic, etc? What do you think, Mercurio (Murrik) Bue Shpata is a slavo-macedonian?

 

[LABERIA]

No. You call yourselves Albanians to emulate the continuity between medieval Albanains and yourselves.


Ok for the 5th time - where is the EVIDENCE of that continuity? Return to post #435!

For EVIDENCE read post 477 of Piro Ilir in this page.

Now i insist:

Do you think that is time for you to explain to us your "theory"? We all are awaiting for your explanation.

I'm having fun with with Trifunovski, now we need some action from Deretic.

 

[Yetos]

what have to do gjon kastrioti and gjergj kastrioti, scanderbeg with murad i?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/murad_i

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/gjon_kastrioti

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/skanderbeg

kastrioti was a genitsar,
albanian were not obey to pay blood taxation the times kastrioti was born,
cause they were outside of beyazit and murad empire,

how come then kastrioti was a genitsar?


except offcourse, if the Albanian origin of Kastrioti is a myth,
and he was like Aryanit

 

[LABERIA]

kastrioti was a genitsar,
albanian were not obey to pay blood taxation the times kastrioti was born,
cause they were outside of beyazit and murad empire,

how come then kastrioti was a genitsar?


except offcourse, that Albanian origin of Kastrioti is a myth,

Man, are you troling us? Answer to my question, pls. What have to do Murad I with Gjon Kastrioti and Scanderbeg?

Edit.
I am sorry for my ignorance. Can you tell me please what is genitsar.

 

[Ike]

Now my questions ike.
Do you think yugoslavians speak the same language as they do today?old church slav?are you the same as the old slavs?Did you know their is around 7000 turkish words in serbian language today Did you know thats far more than whats in albanian language ?SO can you show me your language of the old slav that has not gone through changes?I belive you are not The same as the old slavs who settled in yugoslavia because you have to much turkish,Did you know that in greek language their is over 11 thousand turkish words?can you show me written evidence that you speak same language after 1500s?Im interested what you will come up with ike..evidence of that continuity?

Why are wa talking about Slavic languages? What's the point of that? Where are you going with it?
Are you joking here or you really don't understand my question?! You're really starting to convince me that Albanians don't understand IE syntax's logic.

For EVIDENCE read post 477 of Piro Ilir in this page.

Post #477 contains maps that present continuity for the last 100 years. Congratulations! Is that what you're trying to convince me? That Albanians have been on Balkans only 100-200 years?

Now i insist:

I'm having fun with with Trifunovski, now we need some action from Deretic.

I' don't understand what you're talking about. What is wrong with you ppl....

 

[LABERIA]

Post #477 contains maps that present continuity for the last 100 years. Congratulations! Is that what you're trying to convince me? That Albanians have been on Balkans only 100-200 years?

Well, it`s this what i call Deretic in action. The map contains among others arberesh dialect and arvanitika dialect.

I' don't understand what you're talking about. What is wrong with you ppl....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jovan_I._Deretić

According to Deretić, prior to the conquests of Alexander the Great, there lived an even more-accomplished conqueror named Serbon Makeridov:

That Serbon, father of all nations, was a Serb. That is to say, all of his descendants, or rather all known peoples, have Serbian origin.^[4]
​

This is beautiful. Yes i like it.

I heard that professor Deretic has a weekly show on a television in Serbia.It is one of the most watched programs in Serbia. The entire Serbian nation stops and all stand in front of TV, listening delight and curiosity the recent discoveries of professor. Can you keep informed us here in the forum in the coming weeks regarding new discoveries of Professor? It is of great interest for all of us to hear the theories that you post on this forum, directly from Professor.
Thank you.

 

[DejaVu]

WARNING: FAKE MAP

Well, it`s this what i call Deretic in action. The map contains among others arberesh dialect and arvanitika dialect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_dialects
Original map of Albanian dialects

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania
Macedonian and some Greek minority groups have sharply criticized Article 20 of the Census law, according to which a $1,000 fine will be imposed on anyone who will declare an ethnicity other than what is stated on his or her birth certificate. This is claimed to be an attempt to intimidate minorities into declaring Albanian ethnicity, according to them the Albanian government has stated that it will jail anyone who does not participate in the census or refuse to declare his or her ethnicity.



Council of Europe: Albania Is A Multiethnic State
The official report on minorities by the Albanian Government says that only 2% of the population in Albania are not [ethnic] Albanians. This information has been presented to the public since the time of the ultra-communist ruler Enver Hoxha.

Last October, Council of Europe's mission visited Albania and formed a Center for Ethnic Research in Tirana. In April 2002, the Center delivered a questionnaire of 33 questions to the Albanian population all over the country.
"The results of this research show that about one million or 35% of the total population in the country are members of minorities. This makes Albania a multiethnic state," said the Director of the Center for Ethnic Research in Tirana, Kimet Fetahu.

According the initial research results, seven minority ethnic groups live in Albania: Macedonians, Greeks, Vlachs, Egyptians, Roma, Serbs and Montenegrins.
The biggest minorities are the Macedonians and the Greeks. The smallest minorities are the Serbs and the Montenegrins. There are 5 organizations of Macedonians in Albania, 2 of the Vlachs, 2 of the Roma, 2 of the Egyptians, 1 of the Greeks and 1 joint organization of the Serbs and Montenegrins.

The minority organizations cooperate poorly with the media, the political parties and NGOs in Albania. A large degree of discrimination exists in the education and employment policy of the Albanian Government. These results are expected to be included in the Year Report of the Council of Europe for minorities in Albania at the end of September 2002.

 

[Ike]

Well, it`s this what i call Deretic in action. The map contains among others arberesh dialect and arvanitika dialect.

Why are you posting me this map? What's that got to do with any of my questions? OK, 6th time, did you read #435? Have you got anything to say?

This is beautiful. Yes i like it.

I heard that professor Deretic has a weekly show on a television in Serbia.It is one of the most watched programs in Serbia. The entire Serbian nation stops and all stand in front of TV, listening delight and curiosity the recent discoveries of professor. Can you keep informed us here in the forum in the coming weeks regarding new discoveries of Professor? It is of great interest for all of us to hear the theories that you post on this forum, directly from Professor.
Thank you.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Is this Albanian traulling?

 

[LABERIA]

Why are you posting me this map? What's that got to do with any of my questions? OK, 6th time, did you read #435? Have you got anything to say?

Of course i have read your post #435. I've read almost all posts that have to do with Albania and Albanians in this forum in the past 3 years.And almost 90% of your post is against the Albanians.
In the map are rapresented among others the dialect of arberesh and arvaniti people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbëreshë_people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvanites
This people are part of different emigration of Albanians during middle age.
Have you anything unclear? You can ask me whenever you want.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Is this Albanian traulling?

The lines between respectable science, wild speculation, and lunatic ravings are even more seriously blurred when the oldest and most respectable daily, Politika uncritically publishes [Deretić's theories]^[2]

 

[LABERIA]

WARNING: FAKE MAP



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_dialects
Original map of Albanian dialects

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania
Macedonian and some Greek minority groups have sharply criticized Article 20 of the Census law, according to which a $1,000 fine will be imposed on anyone who will declare an ethnicity other than what is stated on his or her birth certificate. This is claimed to be an attempt to intimidate minorities into declaring Albanian ethnicity, according to them the Albanian government has stated that it will jail anyone who does not participate in the census or refuse to declare his or her ethnicity.



Council of Europe: Albania Is A Multiethnic State
The official report on minorities by the Albanian Government says that only 2% of the population in Albania are not [ethnic] Albanians. This information has been presented to the public since the time of the ultra-communist ruler Enver Hoxha.

Last October, Council of Europe's mission visited Albania and formed a Center for Ethnic Research in Tirana. In April 2002, the Center delivered a questionnaire of 33 questions to the Albanian population all over the country.
"The results of this research show that about one million or 35% of the total population in the country are members of minorities. This makes Albania a multiethnic state," said the Director of the Center for Ethnic Research in Tirana, Kimet Fetahu.

According the initial research results, seven minority ethnic groups live in Albania: Macedonians, Greeks, Vlachs, Egyptians, Roma, Serbs and Montenegrins.
The biggest minorities are the Macedonians and the Greeks. The smallest minorities are the Serbs and the Montenegrins. There are 5 organizations of Macedonians in Albania, 2 of the Vlachs, 2 of the Roma, 2 of the Egyptians, 1 of the Greeks and 1 joint organization of the Serbs and Montenegrins.

The minority organizations cooperate poorly with the media, the political parties and NGOs in Albania. A large degree of discrimination exists in the education and employment policy of the Albanian Government. These results are expected to be included in the Year Report of the Council of Europe for minorities in Albania at the end of September 2002.

Can you post this Report of Council of Europe?

 

[Ike]

Of course i have read your post #435. I've read almost all posts that have to do with Albania and Albanians in this forum in the past 3 years.And almost 90% of your post is against the Albanians.

I admit that my posts are usually against political propaganda, but it's not my fault Albanians are leading the way.

In the map are rapresented among others the dialect of arberesh and arvaniti people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbëreshë_people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvanites
This people are part of different emigration of Albanians during middle age.

We all know that. No point in repeating it, when it has nothing to do with discussion.

Have you anything unclear? You can ask me whenever you want.

Yes. The same question dude, for the 7th time?