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Immigration sexual harassments by immigrants

People need to stop deflecting the issue................the issue is the over 500 complaints about sexual or thievery have been made by north-african and arab men................that's what needs to be fixed. These people who have been sighted should be charged, there should never be any special privileges for these men or are you trying to create a separation in society.

10 years ago , my son was assaulted by a maori, he was imprisoned for 3 years and then sent back to NZ marked as persona non gratis.........which means another 10 year ban on entering Australiaa and then asking my son after this ban on his opinion.

in regards to migration..........the Estonian government recently summoned up the integration issue of Europe , they stated.................we cannot even integrate the Russians who are Estonian citizens, after more than 20 years and they have the same religion as us , so what hope have we to integrate any other race!
 
It was only you who linked to any study on this thread. So "We" was exaggeration, right? Unless you became their leader.




I said before, use this study to select immigrants wisely, didn't I? I can't say more because I would need to read it, but I don't know Dutch and translation is cumbersome for pdf file.

Please, stop avoiding this simple question. Important to establish the base of your views.

"Are there any type of emigrants you would like to accept in your country, or keep in your country permanently?"

you can only accept people who support nationality before religion ..................you cannot have people emigrate who support religion before nationality ........it will never work
 
People need to stop deflecting the issue................the issue is the over 500 complaints about sexual or thievery have been made by north-african and arab men................that's what needs to be fixed. These people who have been sighted should be charged, there should never be any special privileges for these men or are you trying to create a separation in society.
Not only the north africans and arab perpetrators should be punished but also all others involved, right?

10 years ago , my son was assaulted by a maori, he was imprisoned for 3 years and then sent back to NZ marked as persona non gratis.........which means another 10 year ban on entering Australiaa and then asking my son after this ban on his opinion.
And what this have to do with immigration problems? Was he a good immigrant you mean and treated badly by Australia?

in regards to migration..........the Estonian government recently summoned up the integration issue of Europe , they stated.................we cannot even integrate the Russians who are Estonian citizens, after more than 20 years and they have the same religion as us , so what hope have we to integrate any other race!
In what sense Russian minorities are not integrated in Estonia? They speak Estonian, they have same religion, they work in Estonia, they pay taxes, they dress the same, they look the same, etc. Unless the president means that being a declared minority is bad?
Imagine the Belgium problem of two distinct ethnicities. Who is the real integrated Belgian, Flemish or Walloon? Or any European country with mosaic of local ethnic groups.
How is the integration of Venetians to Italy going for you? The tricky integration part...
 
How many times I have to tell you that immigration should be controlled and adequate, and set by host country?!!! Why can't you remember this?
Stop this stupid mantra of yours finally!!! Should I present my posts every time, that you conveniently keep forgetting about, when I criticised EU for lack of initiative and agreements about flow or refugees, about porous Greek borders, lack of processing centers, etc. Why the hell you don't remember!!! Start remembering things or you driving me nuts!

maybe that is my goal ;-)

Merkel finally admits the link between the sexual harassments and immigrants, something you can't, you still deny something even Merkel can't deny any more
you claim what happened is normal in Europe, well you are a big racist to claim such things
 
Soviet deportations from Estonia in 1940s

http://estonia.eu/about-estonia/history/soviet-deportations-from-estonia-in-1940s.html



In the summer of 1940 the Soviet Union occupied Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania as a result of the infamous Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact signed between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union on 23 August 1939. In the aftermath of World War II, Estonia lost approximately 17.5% of its population.

The Soviet occupation brought about an event that until then had only been read about in history books and which became the most horrible memory of the past centuries — mass deportations, which affected people of all nationalities living in Estonia. The two deportations that affected Estonia the most deeply, on 14 June 1941 and 25 March 1949, are observed as days of mourning. The largest of these deportations took place on 25 March 1949 when more than 20 000 people, mostly women and children, were deported from Estonia.
 
It was only you who linked to any study on this thread. So "We" was exaggeration, right? Unless you became their leader.

What? Are you drinking?

I said before, use this study to select immigrants wisely, didn't I? I can't say more because I would need to read it, but I don't know Dutch and translation is cumbersome for pdf file.

Avoiding anything with numbers. You could also use: http://www.pdf-archive.com/2011/05/08/br-1996-2-invandrares-och-invandrares-barns-brottslighet-1/

Please, stop avoiding this simple question. Important to establish the base of your views.

No it's not important. It is not important to establish "the base of my views" nor are the base of my views important. The fact that you seem to think that your questions are enough to establish the base of my views is silly enough. But it also would allow for a smoke screen where you can continue to avoid addressing the issues we (there are others in this thread, LeBrok, did you notice them?) raise.

"Are there any type of emigrants you would like to accept in your country, or keep in your country permanently?"

Have you seen figure 2 in the Dutch paper? You can easily figure out what it means.
 
Not only the north africans and arab perpetrators should be punished but also all others involved, right?

And what this have to do with immigration problems? Was he a good immigrant you mean and treated badly by Australia?

In what sense Russian minorities are not integrated in Estonia? They speak Estonian, they have same religion, they work in Estonia, they pay taxes, they dress the same, they look the same, etc. Unless the president means that being a declared minority is bad?
Imagine the Belgium problem of two distinct ethnicities. Who is the real integrated Belgian, Flemish or Walloon? Or any European country with mosaic of local ethnic groups.
How is the integration of Venetians to Italy going for you? The tricky integration part...

1 - all to be punished equally , regardless of race

2 - The estonian government states that the russians even after 20 plus years fail to integrate into estonian society..............is this clear now?

3 - Veneto ( along with sardinia ) is stated in the constitution as a separate ( ethnically ) people ( popolo ) from Italians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_Veneto
you can get more details via the italian constitution official papers
 
Mind you, all these discussions here are completely trivial. Europe now considers this the image of migration:


rather than this:

Both are a reality, and one Europe was ill equipped to handle. Europe is in an ideological struggle and it seems that yellow journalism prevailed at first, with photographers tripping over each other to take a picture of the few children for the newspapers trying to sway opinions. Now we are getting the reports of the immigrants committing rapes, complaining about European life while they text on their iphones and causing general disruption.

My mother received an email from an old Swiss family friend who went on a tirade about how disgusting her fellow country men were because they questioned whether they should house immigrants beneath the gymnasium at the school where her own daughter went. Men like the one in your picture are now being housed there, but also young children like the one in the other. Now Europeans will have to deal with the consequences of their compassion, even those who weren't compassionate at first.

In my opinion, I believe European leaders only accepted these immigrants to offset falling birthrates and not out of compassion. Now they are are going to have stop pretending like everyone of them is like the crying young child and punish those who break the law after many european citizens welcomed these same people with open arms.
 
Both are a reality, and one Europe was ill equipped to handle. Europe is in an ideological struggle and it seems that yellow journalism prevailed at first, with photographers tripping over each other to take a picture of the few children for the newspapers trying to sway opinions. Now we are getting the reports of the immigrants committing rapes, complaining about European life while they text on their iphones and causing general disruption.

My mother received an email from an old Swiss family friend who went on a tirade about how disgusting her fellow country men were because they questioned whether they should house immigrants beneath the gymnasium at the school where her own daughter went. Men like the one in your picture are now being housed there, but also young children like the one in the other. Now Europeans will have to deal with the consequences of their compassion, even those who weren't compassionate at first.

In my opinion, I believe European leaders only accepted these immigrants to offset falling birthrates and not out of compassion. Now they are are going to have stop pretending like everyone of them is like the crying young child and punish those who break the law after many european citizens welcomed these same people with open arms.

Doesn't matter if both are a reality. I talked to a lot of different immigrants, including the "all-european-women-are-easy-whores" immigrants, and there are thousands of different stories. The point is that the realities of first picture was surpressed while the realities of the second were promoted. It now appears that police forces considered it their task to actively promote the second image. Do you understand the implications of that? We can never trust the authorities again on numbers, since they have an agenda.

And now the popular view flipped. It doesn't matter if the reality is far more complex. The popular image flipped to the other side. The point I want to get across is that this genie won't get back in the bottle, no matter what our views are.

Secondly, even if maybe overreacting, women will adapt by dressing more covertly. Hell, Jews in Europe tend to adapt:

http://news.yahoo.com/marseille-jews-urged-not-wear-skullcaps-teacher-attack-173153898.html

This is not going to end well, no matter what side of the debate you choose. That is the point I am trying to get across.
 
Now Europeans will have to deal with the consequences of their compassion, even those who weren't compassionate at first.

I think that is a very good point. The part of Europe that shouted "WELCOME" didn't realize that they were forcing their world view on the other part of Europe. They were conducting an experiment with societies.
 
Merkel finally admits the link between the sexual harassments and immigrants, something you can't, you still deny something even Merkel can't deny any more
you claim what happened is normal in Europe,
It was just a post above #103:
Not only the north africans and arab perpetrators should be punished but also all others involved, right?
Are you illiterate?

well you are a big racist to claim such things
What racist things? Please, cite my racist comments, or this accusation of yours is going in front of Eupedia moderators.
 
Have you seen figure 2 in the Dutch paper? You can easily figure out what it means.
Now we know, you are against any immigrants in your country, regardless if they are good or bad people. Your agenda now is very simple to understand, use any material or means to discredit them and get them out. You are very transparent now. Just don't claim you need any statistics to do that. You don't want them, you don't like them, period. I don't get why you pretend to post anything objective about immigrants and want to have rational discussion?
And let's be honest, you don't want any European immigrants either, not the Portuguese, the Albanians, Greeks or whomever, right?
 
1 - all to be punished equally , regardless of race
Glad to hear that.

2 - The estonian government states that the russians even after 20 plus years fail to integrate into estonian society..............is this clear now?
Nope, should they stop speaking Russian to be considered integrated?

3 - Veneto ( along with sardinia ) is stated in the constitution as a separate ( ethnically ) people ( popolo ) from Italians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_Veneto
you can get more details via the italian constitution official papers
Ok then. You don't care if Venetians are integrated to Italy, and you want them to be distinct ethnicity, but you do agree with Estonian president that ethnic Russians should become Estonians. Isn't it a double standard?
 
Ok then. You don't care if Venetians are integrated to Italy, and you want them to be distinct ethnicity, but you do agree with Estonian president that ethnic Russians should become Estonians. Isn't it a double standard?

the difference is the venetians have always been there since bronze-age ................the russians in Estonia are "visitors" ................this is a major difference.

I do not expect the basque to change to spanish either
 
We can never trust the authorities again on numbers, since they have an agenda.

I think that is a very good point. The part of Europe that shouted "WELCOME" didn't realize that they were forcing their world view on the other part of Europe. They were conducting an experiment with societies.
Now we know you are a conspirator theorist too.
They did it all, the organized World Social Whatever. Please, give your government and bureaucrats of all levels some credit for "screwing up". Afterall, government and police are known for incompetence, bad ideas, corruption, slow reflexes, low adaptability, stupidity, ignorance, and feel free to extend the list. The last thing, all the previous governments of Holland and others and all the bureaucrats, had in common is united idea about anything. How naive it is to declare that they conspired, influenced by international social forces, for long decades just to screw up ordinary citizen of Holland, Germany or Sweden.
Unless you truly want to believe in it, then even imaginary things become reality. Especially the scary scenarios. They want to get you...oh, they really do.
Looks like paranoia to me.
 
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the difference is the venetians have always been there since bronze-age ................the russians in Estonia are "visitors" ................this is a major difference.

I do not expect the basque to change to spanish either
How many generations one needs to live in a country to be considered local? How about Turks in Bulgaria living there 300 years? Tatars in Poland for 500 years. How about Jews who were in many European countries for 2,000 or 1,000 years? IE Venetians for 3,500 years? Neolithic Sardinians for 7,000 years. What cut off measure should we use to determine who and when becomes local?
 
I have nothing but compassion for women who are actually sexually assaulted, and I've actually done something to try to ameliorate the situation, unlike any of you, but are we really supposed to take the picture of a man spewing water or soda at a woman as the face or "image" of these horrendous crimes? Is that basically the extent of what happened in the vast majority of the cases? This picture hasn't become iconic because he happens to have a very prominent and Semitic nose?

You should go to Mardi Gras in New Orleans; the streets are clogged with drunk "white" men spewing their guts all over everybody. If they arrested all of them there wouldn't be enough room in the state penal system to hold them. One of them vomited all over my Bruno Magli shoes. I got so mad I pushed him right into the street to land on top of a pile of it. Know how hard I worked to earn them? Plenty of groping, too, and a woman would have had to be mad to walk down side streets alone. Hell, on crowded subways in New York I deliberately wore my spike heels instead of keeping them in my bag to put on at work. As soon as I felt a hand I'd just yell at the top of my lungs and stomp on whatever male feet were closest. That was before Rudy, bless him, cleaned them up. Have to say Louis Sliwa and his made a difference too. That's what aggressive policing and volunteer patrols are all about. You don't want to hear about that, however. Instead of coming up with constructive propositions, you just want to rant.

What started out as a reasonable discussion has just turned into hysteria. Men who in one post said no woman's word should be taken at face value now want to accept every accusation and newspaper report as gospel. People who agreed with me when I said that many of the cases in the U.S. where police were accused of racist murders of young black men were driven by unsubstantiated rumors (most notoriously the "Hands Up Don't Shoot" BS that never happened) now believe every report in every ultra right wing anti-immigrant rag. Obviously, some bad stuff happened and action has to be taken, but exaggeration as to both the quantity and quality of the incidents just feeds the hysteria and is starting to look agenda driven.

I don't know how many actual assaults and batteries were committed, and neither do any of you. If the police didn't want to or were instructed not to inflame the situation because immigrants were involved, that's obviously a problem, but to turn this into some sort of vast conspiracy is ridiculous.

Europe is in this mess because you're all so consumed by your tribalism that you weren't able to organize an effective response to the situation, not to mention your cowardice in refusing to confront what was going on in the Near East, a cowardice in which you were joined by the present American administration. Then, of course, there's the normal incompetence of government, an incompetence that grows as government grows. I've yet to see many Europeans understand that, however. Instead, there's this pervasive idea that government can take care of all your problems. You want nanny government to take care of you from cradle to grave, and that doesn't leave anything for your defense against outside threats or for adequately staffed and trained police forces either, apparently. The only difference I can see between the left and the right in Europe is that the left has some tolerance of immigration, and the right would probably happily vote in Hitler again.

Have you ever suddenly felt that you didn't know the people around you? Well, that's how I feel right now. The masks are off some of you, and it's not a pretty picture.
 
How many generations one needs to live in a country to be considered local? How about Turks in Bulgaria living there 300 years? Tatars in Poland for 500 years. How about Jews who were in many European countries for 2,000 or 1,000 years? IE Venetians for 3,500 years? Neolithic Sardinians for 7,000 years. What cut off measure should we use to determine who and when becomes local?

about 2 to 3 ............clearly the russians fall short , which is why that current migrations into Europe will take nearly 100 Years due to religious differences, less if religion is the same.

I really do not know where you are going with this..........the process will be quicker if one conforms completely to the rules of the nation and not try to bring in your own rules which leads to less integration.

a visitor/migrant needs to do all the changing in their life to be accepted, not the host people. If one does not like the lifestyle of the host nation, then leave.
 
about 2 to 3 ............clearly the russians fall short , which is why that current migrations into Europe will take nearly 100 Years due to religious differences, less if religion is the same.
According to your 100 year rule, it means that Jews, Gypsies, Tatars can be considered integrated in Europe. All of them are 500 years and over in Europe.

I really do not know where you are going with this..........the process will be quicker if one conforms completely to the rules of the nation and not try to bring in your own rules which leads to less integration.
It is an interesting issue, and people have different opinions about integration and what it really means.

a visitor/migrant needs to do all the changing in their life to be accepted, not the host people. If one does not like the lifestyle of the host nation, then leave.
I was wondering what Estonian president ment that Russians are not integrated. They display many aspects of good integration. They speak Estonian, they have same religion, they dress the same, they look the same, they use same technology and services, same courts of law, same everything. They have same jobs and pay taxes. How come he says they are not integrated? They would need to stop speaking Russian? How about people speaking english in Estonia, they are not integrated either? Speaking a second language gets you out of integration all of the sudden?
What is your definition of full integration?

@Angela
Great thoughtful post as usual. The voice of reason.
 
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