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Who were and are the Albanians and their DNA

Zanatis said:
You do know that people from Lushnje have some of the highest J2a (not J2b2-L283 which is way older in Europe and found among North Albanians the most and almost lacking in Turks and Arabs), while in the same time the being one of the regions with the darkest people (Mediterranean) and let us not forget that this region has some of the highest percentages of Vlachs.

So it's very strange of you being a racist when you're closer to Greeks and South Italians in appearance rather than Albanians from the highlands.

Like blevins suggested, first understand what haplogroups are, then read about the age of specific haplogroups in certain regions of Europe, then come back with a more clear mind and new theories.

Fun fact for you, it is very easy to connect E and J to darker skin and recent arrivals, but the ironic part is that it's quite the opposite. The regions with the highest percentages of E-V13 and J2b2 ironically correspond to higher percentages of lighter eyes and skin (although hair colour difference is not that drastic). This coincidence should teach you and people like you that things are not so black and white. Another funny coincidence for you is that Mirdita has also high R1b and is known as the famous Catholic Albanian region which resisted the Ottomans and bla bla bla, yet they're the darkest among all Ghegs and many Tosks as well.

And qien is more similar to qihen in pronunciation then qen (dog). And we all know what qihen means lol
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Do you want us to believe that you live in UAE? Please, fix this.
 
First of all I am not mediterranean looking and most people from where I come I see that they are not so dark so if u don't live where I come from don't say uncorrect stuff, then, tell me then how is it possible with an african origin marker that from language we are i.e.?? This is the first thing that makes me feel that all this certainess about the E3b and J2b being original albanian is not so obvious or logical, what I suggest again is that the "original" ,and I point out the word original, proto albanian DNA is R, ok?
I don't know why talking about a thing that I theorize about maybe 3000 years ago makes these "SUPER ANTRHOPOLOGISTS" that said I have a 70 I.Q. so upset, have you done a mtDNA or an YDNA on 2000 years ago albanians?? No because it is a little strange that you exactly know the original DNA of 4000 years ago albanians right now with nothing that proves one thing or the other, so what I am saying, and don't misunderstand this, is that original true albanians "POSSIBLY "didn't have J2b and E3b originally, now I am trying to reason and don't f*****g rage behind a keyboard with no reason, because in genetics you can feel a lion thinking that you know everything and 2 days later you discover that everything you knew till now is crushed by a new discover, so, as an amateur, I am posting my theories now I want you to explain me and discuss on why (just in your opinion) I said wrong stuff.


P.S. I am classified as dinaric phenotype, I have blue eyes, light brown hair and if you are asking ,no I am not some kind of albanized serbian, My family history goes back to around 1300, my mother is from Berat, she is blond haired and has blue eyes and my father has white skin, green eyes and black hair.
Then the bullshit on albanians being typically dark is shit, In Muzeqiea region(Krahin in albanian) it isn't uncommon the birth of blonds and blue eyes people, I have seen more whites in Tirana,Berat,Shkoder,Lushnje, then everywhere in albania, so As a person that knows my people and my lands better than anyone you as outsiders can't know how my people looks like, come on I have passed all the roads by foot and except from some gypsies,Turkish bazars and restaurants, albanians aren't tipically black, if you are trying to **** my nationality you are getting it, because a stranger that doesn't know albania reading your nonsense words(not of all of you, but some) could have a wrong idea of albanian people.

Then my I.Q is an averege of 128, tested 2 times (124 and 132).
So judje by your self, maybe you can call me racist, beacuse I partially am, but not stupid.
 
Then my English is eberthing but perfect, think also that I live in the most "English studying" ignorant country wich is Italy and the fact that I don't explain my concepts so well is explained by this.
 
Kaizerzotac said:
First of all I am not mediterranean looking and most people from where I come I see that they are not so dark so if u don't live where I come from don't say uncorrect stuff, then, tell me then how is it possible with an african origin marker that from language we are i.e.?? This is the first thing that makes me feel that all this certainess about the E3b and J2b being original albanian is not so obvious or logical, what I suggest again is that the "original" ,and I point out the word original, proto albanian DNA is R, ok?
I don't know why talking about a thing that I theorize about maybe 3000 years ago makes these "SUPER ANTRHOPOLOGISTS" that said I have a 70 I.Q. so upset, have you done a mtDNA or an YDNA on 2000 years ago albanians?? No because it is a little strange that you exactly know the original DNA of 4000 years ago albanians right now with nothing that proves one thing or the other, so what I am saying, and don't misunderstand this, is that original true albanians "POSSIBLY "didn't have J2b and E3b originally, now I am trying to reason and don't f*****g rage behind a keyboard with no reason, because in genetics you can feel a lion thinking that you know everything and 2 days later you discover that everything you knew till now is crushed by a new discover, so, as an amateur, I am posting my theories now I want you to explain me and discuss on why (just in your opinion) I said wrong stuff.


P.S. I am classified as dinaric phenotype, I have blue eyes, light brown hair and if you are asking ,no I am not some kind of albanized serbian, My family history goes back to around 1300, my mother is from Berat, she is blond haired and has blue eyes and my father has white skin, green eyes and black hair.
Then the bullshit on albanians being typically dark is shit, In Muzeqiea region(Krahin in albanian) it isn't uncommon the birth of blonds and blue eyes people, I have seen more whites in Tirana,Berat,Shkoder,Lushnje, then everywhere in albania, so As a person that knows my people and my lands better than anyone you as outsiders can't know how my people looks like, come on I have passed all the roads by foot and except from some gypsies,Turkish bazars and restaurants, albanians aren't tipically black, if you are trying to **** my nationality you are getting it, because a stranger that doesn't know albania reading your nonsense words(not of all of you, but some) could have a wrong idea of albanian people.

Then my I.Q is an averege of 128, tested 2 times (124 and 132).
So judje by your self, maybe you can call me racist, beacuse I partially am, but not stupid.
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Yo. You don't even know the most basic studies pertaining to Albanian autosomal dna or ydna haplogroups and you are starting to create extravagant theories.

E1B-L618 has been found in the balkans and dated at ~7500 years old. E1B-L618 is a direct ancestor of Ev13 which is the biggest group of albanians and one
of the biggest groups of greeks aswell. Similar deal with J2b2-L283:

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Autosomally we can take a clue from lazaridis' latest paper:

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Here are some famous EV13 from eupedia:

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Please study a subject more before you begin to preach your own theories.
 
Kaizerzotac said:
SHQIP

qe tiu provoi qe iam shqiptar do te shkruei ne shqip,
E para esht qe un jetoi ne itali, kam gjyshen time qe me ka rritur me buke dhe gjuhe shqipe, prandaj mos hajdeni te me mesoni si flitet gjuha shqipe, mbase si shkruhet por jo si flitet, pastaj un po kerkoi te shpetoj nji cik reputacion te shqiperis, ne jemi po thueni se 30% te shqipfolseve me origjin arebo/turke nga perandorja ozmane, ja dhe shkrime te sulltanatit qe certifikoin qe per te perhapur izlamin ne shqiperi qe der ne vitet 1770 nuk po ndodhte ata mesuen shqipen lloj lloj jevgut te perandoris ozmane per ta cuer ne shqiperi per te perhapur izlamin, prandaj po juve tiu djegi shum qe un them qe E dhe J si gjenez nuk jan shqiptare do te thot qe ju qe e keni ndiheni keq sepse ju kapa nji plag te hapur, domethen qe nuk ieni shqiptar, shqiptaret te vertet kan R1b, R1a, dhe nji cik I, pastaj E3b dhe J per shqpteret origjinal duhet te jen io me shum se 10% nga kontaktet me fenikas dhe me popui te lasht por io me shum se kaiq, ata qe kan shum J ose E me shum probabilitet nuk ian shipar dhe nuk ian as te bardh, shqiptaret te vertet ian te bardh, un nuk iam fanatik i ndo nji sekte naxiste por nuk dua qe kombi im te klasifikohet si gabel semitik, se iu kte po mbroni,dhe pastaj hajdeni thueni qe jam serb, un as per 100 vjet nuk behem serb, po juve, ju shikoni veten se po shisni shqiperin turqvet bashk me ate idiotin e Rames.
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Lost cause, go to school!
 
Well at least you explained without offending my person, for this thank you, I maybe used some nationalism and racism, but what I am asking is: can a E3b person or a J2b person from albania be white, like polish, italians, russians, and everyone?? I am R1b and white all the albanians I have met, Tirana, Berat, Lushnje, Shkoder, were majority white for this I am launching his topic to you, because som of these things sound strange to me to be together.
+Johane Derite
 
Now I saw the links of famous E people, thank you.
 
Sorry for my partial ignorance I didn't know that E was also of white people.
So if it is like this it means that we albanians and greeks with an expired brench all over europe were "Maybe" E3b carriers and were the first european settlers?
I am fascinated by understanding how people moved all around, but then I am more confused than ever: WHO BELONGS TO WHO, it means that we probably took a i.e language by some R1b carriers, but originally we were speaking an afro-semitic language, and then we took the albanian language from who knows who.
But the topic is: were we white at those times?? White like western people.
 
Kaizerzotac said:
Sorry for my partial ignorance I didn't know that E was also of white people.
So if it is like this it means that we albanians and greeks with an expired brench all over europe were "Maybe" E3b carriers and were the first european settlers?
I am fascinated by understanding how people moved all around, but then I am more confused than ever: WHO BELONGS TO WHO, it means that we probably took a i.e language by some R1b carriers, but originally we were speaking an afro-semitic language, and then we took the albanian language from who knows who.
But the topic is: were we white at those times?? White like western people.
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Google translate is not working well for you.

I probably look "whiter" than you and I am J2b2. The Ancient samples they found of J2b2 in Europe were as you described White.
 
Man I am not using google translate and I am not trying to offend, but thanks for the reply, and then **** google translate, I used it for an english homework at high school and I took an insufficent mark for that, since there I never used it anymore, I am just using my knowledge of english, I have done an intensive grammar course and then I have practiced playing and talking online with english, australians and americans.
 
And I don't know why but a serbian friend that I have at school said me that my face seem familiar.
LoL.
He said I am an averege slav, but I don't think so.
 
Kaizerzotac said:
Well at least you explained without offending my person, for this thank you, I maybe used some nationalism and racism, but what I am asking is: can a E3b person or a J2b person from albania be white, like polish, italians, russians, and everyone?? I am R1b and white all the albanians I have met, Tirana, Berat, Lushnje, Shkoder, were majority white for this I am launching his topic to you, because som of these things sound strange to me to be together.
+Johane Derite
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I actually see from your profile you are I2b-R1b, an anomaly basically. It's certainly possible for a person to inherit two y chromosomes and the symptoms are not that severe - you might be taller than average, have an acne problem and increased risk of learning problems, which you seem to be displaying. But two different y's? Oh boy, you know what that implies :D
 
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Kaizerzotac said:
Well at least you explained without offending my person, for this thank you, I maybe used some nationalism and racism, but what I am asking is: can a E3b person or a J2b person from albania be white, like polish, italians, russians, and everyone?? I am R1b and white all the albanians I have met, Tirana, Berat, Lushnje, Shkoder, were majority white for this I am launching his topic to you, because som of these things sound strange to me to be together.
+Johane Derite
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Just curious, are you R1b or I2b - R1b?
 
This thread is now driven by ideology and has nothing to do with genetics unless someone starts to reply to DaveF. Why are we even allowing posts that are diminishing the value of what is by far the number one forum on DNA by a few who "hate their neighbors" and want everyone else to suffer their silly pains?
 
firetown said:
This thread is now driven by ideology and has nothing to do with genetics unless someone starts to reply to DaveF. Why are we even allowing posts that are diminishing the value of what is by far the number one forum on DNA by a few who "hate their neighbors" and want everyone else to suffer their silly pains?
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For a while I've noticed that this forum has a really odd and far too frequent phenomenon where these sorts of arguments centered around the Balkans would erupt randomly and out of nowhere in the middle of a thread that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with that region.

Before and for a while, I never really understood how any of them were started, or what they were about, and I would either attempt to understand what's being said and fail, or i would just ignore the posts.

Johane did give me a nice walk thru just last week regarding them, and it seems that the Serbian government wants to spread false and ridiculous rumors about Albanians (which is ethically disgusting) by forcing schools to teach students about how they supposedly originate from the Caucasus and were transplanted by the ottomans or another really wild and wacky theory involving them being appointed by the Romans to crucify Bartholomew. None of this garbage is true and it seems like an attempt to make Albanians the "bad guys".

Hopefully I didn't offend a Serbian here, as I have nothing against Serbians at all.
 
Kaizerzotac said:
Sorry for my partial ignorance I didn't know that E was also of white people.
So if it is like this it means that we albanians and greeks with an expired brench all over europe were "Maybe" E3b carriers and were the first european settlers?
I am fascinated by understanding how people moved all around, but then I am more confused than ever: WHO BELONGS TO WHO, it means that we probably took a i.e language by some R1b carriers, but originally we were speaking an afro-semitic language, and then we took the albanian language from who knows who.
But the topic is: were we white at those times?? White like western people.
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You have just received an infraction for a provocative, disruptive post. By all means continue, then you'll be out of here all the sooner.

To other members: I can't read all the posts on this site. If you see something like this starting, REPORT it.
 
Hey guys I have a question for you: Can you say to me how E3b origined and what idealogical path it had to abania?Thanks, and the same thing for J2b
 
These threads are becoming boring by the fault of someones, yes.
Concerning Y-E1b-V13 I think we have already threads discussing about it, everybody can read them. The Albania(ns) history is an unclear question, an enigma in some part, and I think it makes of it a very exiting subject; by fault of bad natonalism or superiority/inferiority complexes it becomes everytime a lethal trap, why??? Past is past, better we have to do now is to took lesson out of it, not to repeat the same stupid and "Pavlov's dogs" deportments. Sorry for the "teacher" 's tone.
Y-E-V13 for I think to date were there before Albanians, before Y-J2 of any sort, surely evolved at first between Pelopponese and Western (gone) Yougoslavia and increased in number in Central Balkans (in the knot of rivers = boulevards) during the metals ages, since Copper maybe; I don't think they ever have been an almost unique Y-haplo in a population as in clannic tribes like the ones which gave birth to Yamnaya, CWC or BB of Central-North - Albanians (first ones at least) could have been a part of a loose group of pops related to Thracians and Dacians, and maybe Illyrians if I rely on B. Sergent.
Caution: here under I make bets, oly bets, without any pretention/
I should bet the Ghegs are maybe the closest ones to ancestors (without seeding war within Albanians!) and that the suthern Tosques are ("maybe" again) in part a remnant of an older pop, akin to North-Italian and other more Western pops, separated in some part from them by late historical moves where Illyrians (badly defined and known), meta-Italics and Slavs took part.
Have all a good peaceful evening, for me it 'll be the case.
 
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