Philistine DNA!

[Jovialis]

Indeed,

It is the Greek sample from the Dodecad k12b calculator. Looks like it is from the Peloponnese:

 Greek,3.30,0.30,0.60,0.00,28.00,20.20,0.10,0.00,10.10,0.00,37.40,0.00

Here are the samples from the study:

ASH2-3_Iron_Age1,4.96,0,12.41,0,10.20,0,4.20,0,1.89,0,66.34,0
ASH008_Iron_Age2,10.84,0,4.00,0,11.39,0,0,0.63,29.23,0,43.90,0
ASH029_Late_Bronze_Age,8.31,0,9.61,0,12.28,6.19,0,0,27.92,0,35.69,0
ASH033_Late_Bronze_Age,5.83,0,4.07,0,10.30,3.87,0,0,28.76,0,47.17,0
ASH034_Late_Bronze_Age,10.82,0,3.64,0.66,14.01,0,0,0.84,25.02,0,45.01,0
ASH066_Iron_Age1,9.21,0,7.83,0,15.39,0,5.06,0.07,22.99,0.97,37.59,0.90
ASH067_Iron_Age1,9.18,0,3.02,0,23.86,2.30,0,0,19.31,0,42.33,0
ASH068_Iron_Age1,0,0,0,1.65,39.53,8.59,0,0.65,14.61,0,34.97,0
ASH087_Iron_Age2,5.64,1.37,3.88,0,12.66,0,0,2.67,32.15,0,41.63,0
ASH135_Iron_Age2,5.14,0,17.24,0.39,6.20,6.72,0,3.35,27.59,0,33.18,0.18

 

[Angela]

Indeed,

It is the Greek sample from the Dodecad k12b calculator. Looks like it is from the Peloponnese:

 Greek,3.30,0.30,0.60,0.00,28.00,20.20,0.10,0.00,10.10,0.00,37.40,0.00

I was wondering where Aegean Greeks would plot.

 

[Jovialis]

I was wondering where Aegean Greeks would plot.

Here is the other Greek populations, plus one of the new one from Crete added to the updated spreadsheet for Dodecad K12b.

 

[Jovialis]

This is one with Cypriots included.

 

[Salento]

Is Crete closer to some of the Iron Age samples than modern Greeks?

and how much Minoan do the modern Cretes carry?

 

[Palermo Trapani]

Joker: You are correct, the Hellenized Jewish populations lived in throughout the Roman world and spoke Greek typically. The Greek version of the OT, the Septuagint, referred to as the (LXX) since the tradition was that 70 scholars produced a similar translation from the Hebrew sources is supports your view. This version was indeed the primary source used by the Apostles and was the source for some 70% of the OT quotes cited in the NT. Among the most well know Hellenist Jews was none other than Saint Paul.

 

[Demetrios]

Here is also me included, thanks to Jovialis.

 

[Angela]

Here is also me included, thanks to Jovialis.

Sorry, Demetrios, could you remind me of the source of your ancestry in Greece.

More broadly, I wonder if the original group of "Philistines" was very small, or rather we just got a skewed sample by happenstance.

 

[kingdavid]

Is Crete closer to some of the Iron Age samples than modern Greeks?

and how much Minoan do the modern Cretes carry?

in k13 ancient
R850 is very close to Greek islanders

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[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]IA_Ardea_R850[/TH]
[/TR]
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[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #80FF00, align: right"]3.75234926[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Dodecanese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #AFFF00, align: right"]5.15025242[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Chios[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C0FF00, align: right"]5.63412815[/TD]
[TD]Calabria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D1FF00, align: right"]6.15024390[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Symi_Island[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E9FF00, align: right"]6.84200263[/TD]
[TD]Malta[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF200, align: right"]7.89309825[/TD]
[TD]East_Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFED00, align: right"]8.02167065[/TD]
[TD]Sicily[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE300, align: right"]8.33562835[/TD]
[TD]Sephardic_Jewish[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDB00, align: right"]8.56379589[/TD]
[TD]Turk_Cypriot[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD500, align: right"]8.73838658[/TD]
[TD]Campania[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFCD00, align: right"]8.96293479[/TD]
[TD]Central_Greek[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFCD00, align: right"]8.98079618[/TD]
[TD]Algerian_Jewish[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFAF00, align: right"]9.85417678[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA900, align: right"]10.03299556[/TD]
[TD]Apulia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA800, align: right"]10.04940794[/TD]
[TD]Italian_Jewish[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8B00, align: right"]10.92001374[/TD]
[TD]Tunisian_Jewish[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8900, align: right"]10.96685005[/TD]
[TD]Molise[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8500, align: right"]11.07381596[/TD]
[TD]Basilicata[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7D00, align: right"]11.32964254[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Andros_Island[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7B00, align: right"]11.37861591[/TD]
[TD]Cyprian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7B00, align: right"]11.37861591[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Cypriot[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7500, align: right"]11.55393007[/TD]
[TD]Libyan_Jewish[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6F00, align: right"]11.74064734[/TD]
[TD]Abruzzo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5800, align: right"]12.41358127[/TD]
[TD]Moroccan_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4300, align: right"]13.03697434[/TD]
[TD]West_Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]



R437 is more closer to apulia and other italian regions than to greek islanders

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[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437[/TH]
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[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D9FF00, align: right"]6.38026645[/TD]
[TD]Apulia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DBFF00, align: right"]6.45295281[/TD]
[TD]Sicily[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EDFF00, align: right"]6.95716896[/TD]
[TD]Molise[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F4FF00, align: right"]7.18591678[/TD]
[TD]Campania[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F6FF00, align: right"]7.23656687[/TD]
[TD]West_Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FBFF00, align: right"]7.38411809[/TD]
[TD]Abruzzo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFE00, align: right"]7.51745968[/TD]
[TD]Basilicata[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE500, align: right"]8.26925631[/TD]
[TD]Central_Greek[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE500, align: right"]8.27702845[/TD]
[TD]East_Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDF00, align: right"]8.45297581[/TD]
[TD]Calabria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDA00, align: right"]8.59064608[/TD]
[TD]Malta[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB700, align: right"]9.60696622[/TD]
[TD]Lazio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFAC00, align: right"]9.94789425[/TD]
[TD]Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9800, align: right"]10.52866563[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Western-Thrace[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9000, align: right"]10.75656544[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Symi_Island[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8E00, align: right"]10.83325436[/TD]
[TD]Umbria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8C00, align: right"]10.88487023[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Andros_Island[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6A00, align: right"]11.89452395[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Chios[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6800, align: right"]11.95423774[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6100, align: right"]12.14779815[/TD]
[TD]Romagna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6000, align: right"]12.17968493[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Dodecanese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5600, align: right"]12.47757589[/TD]
[TD]Tuscan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4C00, align: right"]12.75343091[/TD]
[TD]FrenchCorsica[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3900, align: right"]13.31135230[/TD]
[TD]Sephardic_Jewish[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3800, align: right"]13.35976048[/TD]
[TD]Moroccan_Jew[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Demetrios]

Sorry, Demetrios, could you remind me of the source of your ancestry in Greece.

More broadly, I wonder if the original group of "Philistines" was very small, or rather we just got a skewed sample by happenstance.

Father from Messenia, mother from Corinthia. Even though my father's family resides in Gargalianoi (Messenia), it seems (based on my father's last name frequency) to hail from the same location where the original Mycenaean Pylos (not the modern one) was located, namely in Chora (Messenia). In general Messenia is famous for its Mycenaean remains. For example, highest tumuli density in Greece is observed in Messenia (Crete is not included but i presume it peaks over it as well), including the best preserved Mycenaean Palace (Nestor's).

I don't know what to tell you about the Philistine sample that clusters with us though. Jovialis observed some bugs concerning the PCA. For example, when he adds more populations things get shifted a bit.

 

[Angela]

Father from Messenia, mother from Corinthia. Even though my father's family resides in Gargalianoi (Messenia), it seems (based on my father's last name frequency) to hail from the same location where the original Mycenaean Pylos (not the modern one) was located, namely in Chora (Messenia). In general Messenia is famous for its Mycenaean remains. For example, highest tumuli density in Greece is observed in Messenia (Crete is not included but i presume it peaks over it as well), including the best preserved Mycenaean Palace (Nestor's).

I don't know what to tell you about the Philistine sample that cluster's with us though. Jovialis observed some bugs concerning the PCA. For example, when he adds more populations things get shifted a bit.

Yes, that's always the case with pcas. It's looking at the relationship between the samples the algorithm is given.

I do think we can see that a lot of the "Philistine" samples we have, if not all the Philistines, were very mixed with locals.

I also think we can safely that the Stamatoyannopoulos paper on the Peloponnese, as some of us here interpreted it, showed a close genetic relationship between the people of the Peloponnese and Southern Italians.
https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg201718

 

[Demetrios]

Yes, that's always the case with pcas. It's looking at the relationship between the samples the algorithm is given.

I do think we can see that a lot of the "Philistine" samples we have, if not all the Philistines, were very mixed with locals.

I also think we can safely that the Stamatoyannopoulos paper on the Peloponnese, as some of us here interpreted it, showed a close genetic relationship between the people of the Peloponnese and Southern Italians.
https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg201718

Regarding the PCA bug, it was something different. Jovialis will explain it better.

I agree, it seems Philistines mixed with the locals rather quickly. As the "Ancient DNA sheds light on the genetic origins of early Iron Age Philistines" paper also stated, "Our analysis suggests that this genetic distinction is due to a European-related gene flow introduced in Ashkelon during either the end of the Bronze Age or the beginning of the Iron Age. This timing is in accord with estimates of the Philistines arrival to the coast of the Levant, based on archeological and textual records. *We find that, within no more than two centuries, this genetic footprint introduced during the early Iron Age is no longer detectable and seems to be diluted by a local Levantine-related gene pool.*".

Last, yeah Peloponnesians and southern Italians are indeed very close. But even though i am Peloponnesian i don't seem to cluster with southern Italians, but somewhere in between i presume, certainly as a result of being northern-shifted by additional Slavic admixture. I believe this Eurogenes K36 map shows modern autosomal affinity a little better because it seems to include many reference populations. In it i get some 78-79s with the Greek islanders and southern Italians.

 

[Jovialis]

I pruned the Dodecad K12b PCA to only have West Eurasian populations. I tried my best to mirror Wang et al 2018 PCA. With the West Eurasian modern populations included, the Philistine (ASH068) is in a more appropriate position on the PCA.

Modern West Eurasian populations:

Abhkasians,17.20,0.90,0.00,0.60,0.00,11.10,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.20,70.00,0.00Adygei,17.18,2.40,0.00,0.30,1.90,20.18,0.20,0.00,0.00,1.30,56.54,0.00
Albanian_Kosovo,5.18,0.14,0.62,0.17,29.47,27.1,0.23,0.01,8.13,0.26,28.69,0
Albanian_North,4.49,0,1.15,0.03,29.7,28.3,0.21,0.05,7.34,0.12,28.6,0
Andalucia,7.19,0.00,5.09,0.00,52.55,18.08,0.00,0.60,3.20,0.10,12.89,0.30
Aragon,6.31,0.10,3.40,0.00,56.16,21.82,0.40,0.00,3.00,0.00,8.81,0.00
Argyll,13.10,0.00,0.00,0.00,41.20,45.20,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.50,0.00
Armenian_East,18.78,0.24,0.62,0.08,10.82,5.54,0.48,0.02,14.21,0.13,49.01,0
Armenian_West,17.23,0.05,0.79,0.11,12.26,3.33,0.39,0.1,16.05,0.08,49.54,0
Ashkenazi,2.10,0.50,4.70,0.00,25.90,13.00,0.90,0.20,13.90,0.50,38.30,0.00
Ashkenazy_Jews,2.80,0.60,4.20,0.00,25.13,13.21,1.30,0.40,12.81,0.50,39.04,0.00
Assyrian,18.30,0.00,0.00,0.00,9.60,0.90,0.10,0.00,18.90,0.00,52.20,0.00
Avar_Dagestan,25.18,2.76,0,0,6.09,25.32,1.19,0,2.06,0.28,37.13,0
Baleares,5.50,0.00,3.70,0.00,49.40,22.50,0.20,0.00,4.40,0.00,14.20,0.10
Balkars,15.80,3.90,0.00,0.10,0.80,19.40,0.10,0.00,0.00,3.30,56.60,0.00
Bashkir,10.27,23.64,0.15,1.07,8,30.73,1.87,0.01,0.49,16.51,7.24,0.01
Bedouin,5.00,0.00,4.90,0.00,8.20,0.40,0.00,5.30,43.30,0.00,30.80,2.10
Belorussian,0.00,0.30,0.00,0.00,16.12,67.87,0.50,0.00,1.90,0.00,13.31,0.00
Bosnian,4.81,0.53,0.39,0.12,25.91,42.79,0.74,0.03,4.67,0.07,19.92,0.01
British,11.30,0.00,0.00,0.00,43.50,43.60,0.00,0.00,0.30,0.00,1.30,0.00
British_Isles,9.50,0.00,0.00,0.00,42.50,45.70,0.10,0.00,0.00,0.00,2.20,0.00
Bulgarian,3.30,0.30,0.50,0.00,23.70,34.80,0.50,0.00,6.40,0.40,30.10,0.00
Bulgarians,1.50,0.90,0.30,0.00,25.03,34.93,0.30,0.00,5.71,0.60,30.73,0.00
Canarias,5.00,0.30,11.80,0.60,46.70,17.60,0.10,2.80,3.70,0.00,11.20,0.20
Cantabria,5.70,0.10,3.10,0.00,54.80,23.50,0.30,0.30,3.00,0.00,8.90,0.30
Castilla_La_Mancha,6.80,0.40,3.50,0.00,54.30,21.10,0.00,0.60,4.50,0.00,8.80,0.00
Castilla_Y_Leon,5.40,0.00,6.10,0.00,51.20,22.30,0.40,0.60,4.00,0.00,10.00,0.00
Cataluna,7.30,0.00,2.40,0.00,52.10,25.20,0.30,0.00,3.50,0.00,9.20,0.00
CEU30,10.60,0.00,0.00,0.00,41.40,44.70,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,3.30,0.00
Chechens,21.80,2.60,0.00,0.70,0.00,23.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.60,51.30,0.00
Chuvashs,4.50,20.02,0.00,0.00,6.71,52.75,1.00,0.00,0.70,4.10,10.21,0.00
Circassian,19.16,3.23,0,0.66,5.2,17.08,0.5,0.04,3.75,2.3,48.03,0.07
Cornwall,11.40,0.00,0.00,0.00,43.80,42.80,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,2.00,0.00
Cypriots,5.81,0.00,2.10,0.00,20.52,4.50,0.00,0.00,17.72,0.00,49.35,0.00
Druze,8.91,0.10,2.90,0.00,12.51,0.90,0.70,1.10,23.12,0.00,49.55,0.20
Dutch,9.90,0.00,0.00,0.00,39.10,45.60,0.00,0.00,0.60,0.00,4.80,0.00
English,10.62,0.00,0.00,0.00,41.58,44.59,0.00,0.00,0.10,0.00,3.11,0.00
Extremadura,6.91,0.00,6.01,0.00,48.25,22.12,0.30,1.00,4.30,0.00,10.71,0.40
FIN30,0.90,7.20,0.00,0.10,14.10,73.50,0.70,0.00,2.20,0.00,1.30,0.00
Finnish,0.30,6.70,0.00,0.00,13.40,75.50,0.20,0.00,2.60,0.00,1.30,0.00
French,7.91,0.00,0.20,0.00,44.44,36.54,0.00,0.00,2.50,0.00,8.41,0.00
French_Basque,9.80,0.00,0.00,0.00,73.10,17.10,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
French,8.08,0.00,0.60,0.00,43.81,36.83,0.10,0.00,2.69,0.00,7.88,0.00
Galicia,5.09,0.00,5.00,0.00,48.25,23.38,0.70,0.90,5.39,0.00,11.09,0.20
Georgia_Jews,16.92,0.00,0.70,0.40,7.41,3.60,0.00,0.00,18.82,0.00,52.15,0.00
Georgian_Adjara,19.54,0.59,0,0,7.8,4.1,0.54,0.05,8.46,0.31,58.62,0
Georgian_Gurian,18.73,0.31,0.02,0.34,4.51,10.73,0.17,0.12,6.12,0,58.94,0
Georgian_Imereti,19.33,0.33,0,0.11,5.3,7.93,0.47,0,6.83,0.1,59.61,0
Georgian_Mingrelian,18.78,0.69,0.15,0.13,4.16,9.36,0.24,0.05,5.1,0.36,60.98,0
Georgian_Svan,20.22,1.36,0,0.33,2.71,11.49,0.15,0,4.27,0.67,58.82,0
Georgian_Turkey,19.82,0.44,0,0.02,6.6,5.2,0.35,0.03,8.32,0.39,58.77,0
German,7.30,0.00,0.00,0.00,33.00,48.20,0.00,0.00,1.70,0.00,9.80,0.00
Greek,3.30,0.30,0.60,0.00,28.00,20.20,0.10,0.00,10.10,0.00,37.40,0.00
Greek_Cappadocia,11.66,0.41,0.6,0,18.85,6.27,0.13,0,14.23,0.1,47.73,0.02
Greek_Crete,8.02,0.02,2.63,0.2,23.4,12.24,0.17,0.23,14.43,0.17,38.45,0.04
Greek_Pontus,14.93,0.01,0.41,0.06,12.38,4.19,0.13,0.02,12.78,0.1,54.94,0
Hungarians,4.10,0.70,0.00,0.00,27.00,48.40,0.30,0.00,3.00,0.30,16.20,0.00
Iranian,28.80,2.10,0.00,0.60,5.60,6.00,3.60,0.10,12.40,0.50,40.30,0.00
Iran_Central_East,27.96,1.89,0.38,0.41,5.35,8.62,8.65,0.55,12.57,0.81,33.71,0.24
Iranian_Jews,18.80,0.40,1.80,0.40,6.80,0.00,0.00,0.00,22.50,0.00,49.30,0.00
Iranians,30.90,1.00,0.90,0.30,5.90,4.20,4.20,0.90,14.20,0.30,36.70,0.50
Iraq_Jews,16.80,0.00,1.60,0.10,8.90,0.00,0.10,0.00,24.70,0.00,47.80,0.00
Irish,11.91,0.00,0.00,0.00,42.74,45.15,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.20,0.00
Swiss_Italian,3.9175,0.0825,1.1025,0,39.8525,28.55,0.185,0.0625,5.7975,0,20.45,0
Italy_Aosta_Valley,5.817,0.055,1.62,0.1424,40.6528,29.9942,0.2457,0.052857,4.298,0.03,16.98,0.111
Italy_Trentino,4.792,0.216,0.726,0.044,38.714,29.792,0,0,5.468,0.02,20.222,0
Italy_FriuliVG,5.44,0.278,1.174,0.014,34.924,29.32,0.076,0,7.032,0,21.72,0.022
Italy_Veneto,5.443,0.0427,1.433,0.17818,36.93,27.16,0.062,0,5.728,0.15,22.83,0.03
Italy_Lombardy,4.749,0.123,1.119,0.039,39.628,25.077,0.166,0.013,6.41,0.026,22.618,0.0266
Italy_Piedmont,5.92,0.132,1.729,0.085,37.82,26.0195,0.035,0.035,6.7275,0.02395,21.37,0.1
Italy_Liguria,5.1,0.05,2.014,0.0922,37.89,23.225,0.2477,0.053,7.89,0.048,23.39,0
Italy_Emilia,6.13,0,1.15,0.1801,37.614,22.757,0.14,0.107,7.396,0.25,24.22,0.055
Italy_Romagna,6.08,0,1.87,0.13,34.66,20.98,0.1,0,8.99,0,27.19,0
Italy_Tuscany,6.12,0.049,1.21,0.139,36.889,21.811,0.157,0.055,8.206,0,25.364,0
Italy_Lazio,6.725,0,2.67,0.0525,31.7,19.8175,0.2575,0.07,9.785,0.1725,28.747,0
Italy_Marche,6.421,0.082,2.38,0.048,32.91,18.72,0.294,0.267,9.802,0,29.042,0.034
France_Corsica,4.812,0,2.998,0,39.95,17.762,0.09,0,8.306,0.064,25.994,0.024
Italy_Abruzzo,7.586,0.0283,3.225,0.0383,29.12,16.1,0,0.0783,10.91,0.316,32.598,0
Italy_Campania,7.065,0.086,2.818,0.085,28.905,13.727,0.111,0.334,12.32,0.02,34.342,0.111
Italy_Apulia,7.382,0.32,2.812,0.336,26.188,17.186,0.274,0.266,11.314,0.412,33.356,0.154
Italy_Sicily,7.313,0.482,4.594,0.101,27.216,13.451,0.249,0.653,12.095,0.047,33.163,0.635
Italy_Calabria,7.006,0.1308,4.1825,0.0759,27.005,11.44083,0.2616,0.5983,13.52416,0.22,35.4525,0.0975
Jordanians,9.60,0.00,5.50,0.00,10.80,0.90,0.20,4.90,27.90,0.10,38.00,2.10
Kent,10.49,0.00,0.00,0.00,41.86,43.86,0.00,0.00,0.20,0.00,3.60,0.00
Kumyks,20.00,3.90,0.00,0.50,3.10,18.80,0.40,0.00,3.30,3.70,46.30,0.00
Kurd,28.70,1.50,0.90,0.40,5.90,5.70,1.10,0.40,14.00,1.00,40.40,0.00
Kurds,28.20,0.60,0.00,0.60,6.30,6.70,0.80,0.10,14.30,0.20,42.20,0.00
Kurd_Kurmanji,24.19,1.39,1.15,0.18,8.64,7.09,2.59,0.26,13.97,0.62,39.81,0.1
Kurd_Sorani,24.26,0.4,1.22,0.48,7.29,6.28,3.79,0.94,16,0.5,38.62,0.24
Lebanese,10.80,0.20,4.70,0.60,11.80,3.70,0.00,2.40,23.50,0.00,41.30,1.00
Lezgins,27.80,1.70,0.00,0.00,0.30,23.80,0.00,0.00,0.80,0.00,45.60,0.00
Lithuanian,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,13.90,73.70,0.70,0.00,1.60,0.00,10.10,0.00
Lithuanians,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,13.71,77.18,0.10,0.00,1.00,0.00,8.01,0.00
Mixed_Germanic,10.70,0.00,0.00,0.00,38.40,44.10,0.00,0.00,0.50,0.00,6.30,0.00
Mixed_Slav,0.90,1.50,0.00,0.10,16.58,64.34,0.70,0.00,2.20,0.40,13.29,0.00
Mordovians,4.00,5.90,0.00,0.70,10.90,63.80,0.90,0.00,0.60,0.90,12.30,0.00
Morocco_Jews,5.41,0.00,9.51,0.00,27.33,4.30,0.50,1.10,17.02,0.00,34.03,0.80
Murcia,5.50,0.00,6.00,0.00,50.60,19.60,0.00,0.20,5.90,0.60,11.20,0.40
Nogais,12.87,11.38,0.00,0.50,4.49,21.26,0.70,0.00,0.10,11.48,37.23,0.00
North_Ossetians,16.50,3.90,0.00,0.20,0.00,19.20,0.00,0.00,0.00,3.50,56.70,0.00
Norwegian,8.20,1.00,0.00,0.00,36.00,54.70,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.10,0.00
Nusayri_Turkey,12.48,0.49,3.15,0.39,16.16,2.82,0.58,1.16,19.46,0.1,42.95,0.25
Orcadian,12.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,42.40,45.60,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Orkney,11.80,0.00,0.00,0.00,41.80,46.40,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Pais_Vasco,9.10,0.00,0.00,0.00,67.30,22.40,0.00,0.00,1.20,0.00,0.00,0.00
Palestinian,6.81,0.00,5.41,0.10,10.91,0.30,0.60,5.21,30.43,0.00,38.24,2.00
Polish,0.50,0.10,0.00,0.00,20.88,63.24,0.90,0.00,2.30,0.00,12.09,0.00
Portuguese,6.01,0.00,7.71,0.00,47.55,22.32,0.90,0.10,5.01,0.00,9.71,0.70
Romanians,3.00,0.30,0.00,0.00,24.60,36.00,1.50,0.00,5.90,0.30,28.40,0.00
Russian,2.00,7.30,0.00,0.10,12.10,65.40,1.10,0.00,2.00,0.80,9.20,0.00
Russian_B,0.20,2.70,0.10,0.40,13.11,66.57,0.80,0.00,0.60,1.20,14.31,0.00
Russian,1.80,3.00,0.00,0.00,14.11,66.47,0.40,0.00,1.40,1.10,11.71,0.00
Sardinian,0.00,0.00,2.60,0.00,70.57,0.00,0.10,0.00,5.81,0.00,20.92,0.00
Saudis,3.60,0.00,1.40,0.00,2.60,0.90,0.30,2.60,67.77,0.00,20.52,0.30
Sephardic_Jews,5.69,0.20,6.19,0.00,26.47,6.09,0.40,0.70,16.18,0.00,38.06,0.00
Spaniards,6.50,0.00,3.00,0.00,53.00,23.00,0.00,0.00,3.60,0.00,10.80,0.10
Spanish,6.21,0.00,5.11,0.00,52.55,22.72,0.20,0.00,4.00,0.00,8.81,0.40
Swedish,7.70,0.60,0.00,0.00,32.90,56.80,0.00,0.00,0.80,0.00,1.20,0.00
Syrians,11.41,0.20,1.50,0.00,11.61,2.70,1.30,2.90,27.93,0.00,38.64,1.80
Turkmens,28.03,6.61,0.00,1.70,4.70,10.31,5.41,0.00,6.81,7.71,28.73,0.00
Turkmen_Iraq,22.27,0.67,1.16,1.07,8.73,5.64,2.04,1.15,16.7,1.85,38.58,0.15
Turkmen_Iran,24.24,7.38,0.60,1.82,4.86,11.74,5.99,0.06,7.48,7.61,28.14,0.08
Turkmen_Uzbekistan,19.54,13.24,0.18,2.04,6.54,12.86,5.08,0.05,6.49,13.96,19.93,0.07
Turk_Ahiska,19.35,0.34,0.42,0.23,7.75,8.24,0.40,0,9.56,0.46,53.16,0.03
Turk_Anatolia,14.62,5.01,0.96,0.61,12.83,10.75,1.35,0.2,10.92,4.87,37.71,0.09
Turk_Northwest,12.88,6.48,1.14,0.79,14.39,14.21,1.13,0.17,9.59,5.55,33.5,0.11
Turk_Southwest,13.7,6.04,1.17,0.56,13.69,12.02,1.33,0.34,10.1,5.8,35.08,0.09
Turk_West_BlackSea,13.21,4.61,0.72,0.81,14.4,12.92,1.24,0.06,10.47,4.49,36.98,0.03
Turk_Central_West,14.48,4.37,0.96,0.53,13.53,10.75,1.35,0.16,11.57,4.52,37.65,0.08
Turk_Central_East,15.68,3.8,0.89,0.55,12.23,9.33,1.45,0.16,11.66,3.91,40.18,0.08
Turk_South,15.42,5.44,1.11,0.51,11.29,10.08,1.6,0.28,11.37,5.1,37.52,0.23
Turk_Central_Black_Sea,14.81,5.86,0.58,0.81,11.54,9.37,1.09,0.12,10.34,5.63,39.78,0.02
Turk_East_Black_Sea,15.19,0.80,0.39,0.13,11.01,5.28,0.30,0,11.25,1.17,54.42,0
Turk_Southeast,18.06,3.07,0.72,0.29,10.83,8.49,2.18,0.88,13.65,3.48,38.12,0.16
Turk_East,18.08,1.73,0.78,0.60,10.65,7.55,1.17,0.08,12.17,1.35,45.75,0.04
Ukranians,0.30,0.80,0.00,0.00,16.30,62.10,0.90,0.00,3.00,0.20,16.40,0.00
Valencia,6.81,0.00,3.00,0.00,55.46,22.22,0.00,0.00,2.40,0.00,9.91,0.20
Yemen_Jews,0.20,0.00,3.10,0.00,4.20,0.00,0.00,4.70,53.85,0.00,33.93,0.00
Yemenese,5.89,0.70,3.30,0.50,3.70,1.10,2.40,9.39,36.56,0.00,27.67,8.79

Here are the Ancient samples I included above:

R850_Iron_Age_Ardea,7.30,0,4.52,1.08,21.26,10.54,0,0.43,14.77,0,40.10,0
R851_Iron_Age_Ardea,1.59,0,1.39,0,49.28,24.97,0,0.14,1.93,0,20.26,0.45
R435_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Colombella,4.84,0.64,0.65,0,47.12,28.54,0.15,0,4.13,0,13.40,0.53
R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata,6.45,0,3.03,0,33.19,11.94,0,0,11.63,0,33.74,0.02
R475_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia,0,0,13.01,0,38.12,12.14,0.37,1.98,11.26,0,22.70,0.42
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia,7.18,0.17,2.38,0,39.08,25.74,0,0,5.98,0,18.84,0.66
R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia,1.01,0,0.68,0.15,47.26,22.79,0,0.21,7.39,0.21,20.17,0.34
R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia,1.56,0.19,2.85,0,47.15,21.66,0,0,5.46,0,20.85,0
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro,5.02,1.78,1.33,0,35.08,26.46,0,0,5.43,0,24.50,0.40
R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima,3.86,0.98,1.53,0.19,47.23,20.37,1.43,0,3.31,0,21.10,0
R1021_Iron_Age_Boville_Ernica,2.11,0,1.96,0.60,47.70,24.04,0,0,1.33,0,22.26,0
R2_Neolithic_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,3.98,0,54.75,0,0,0,11.90,0,29.37,0
R8_Neolithic_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,2.83,0,53.23,0,0,0,13.82,0.25,29.87,0
R9_Neolithic_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,3.27,0,50.85,0,0,0,13.25,0,32.63,0
R6_Neolithic_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,5.17,0,66.71,11.16,0,0.32,7.34,0.20,9.11,0
R3_Neolithic_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,4.22,0.05,52.70,0,0,0,11.29,0,31.68,0.06
R10_Neolithic_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,3.50,0,53.49,0,0,0,13.65,0,29.36,0
R16_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado,0,0,2.95,0,58.11,1.77,0,0,9.21,0,27.95,0
R17_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado,0,0,4.12,0,50.89,3.18,0,0,13.16,0,28.66,0
R19_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado,0,0,3.88,0,56.14,0.65,0,0,10.10,0,29.22,0
R18_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado,0,0,3.76,0,52.08,0,0,0.13,9.55,0,34.48,0
R4_Chalcolithic_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,2.77,0.12,60.45,3.99,0,0,10.54,0.02,21.81,0.32
R5_Chalcolithic_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,2.97,0,63.17,3.07,0,0,10.39,0,20.40,0
R1014_Chalcolithic_Monte_San_Biagio,0,0,4.04,0,62.82,4.57,0,0,10.06,0,18.52,0
R11_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,0,0.61,34.46,64.51,0,0,0,0,0,0.42
R15_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,0,0.14,34.33,64.73,0,0,0,0,0,0.79
I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave,0,0,2.55,1.31,44.77,0,0,0,12.74,0,36.69,1.95
I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0.49,0,3.07,0,37.80,0.67,0,0,13.01,0,44.93,0.03
I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0,0,1.28,0.51,37.14,0,0,0,15.36,0,45.71,0
I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0,0,3.39,0.38,35.55,0,0,0,13.26,0,47.43,0
I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0.41,0,4.34,0,39.06,0,0,0,12.70,0,43.49,0
I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,1.52,0,5.68,0,37.33,0,0,0,16.14,0,39.25,0.08
I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis,4.14,0,1.89,0,36.48,4.77,0,0,8.08,1.19,43.45,0
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete,6.11,0,2.47,0,40.07,15.84,0,0,9.79,0.87,24.86,0
I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,0,0,0,0,40.48,0,0,0,4.75,0,54.78,0
I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,3.72,0.51,3.62,0,53.24,0,0,0,14.12,2.88,21.92,0
I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,0,0,6.66,0,43.44,0,0,0,11.86,0,37.93,0
I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,1.10,0,0,0,43.10,0,0,0,17.55,0,38.25,0
I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,4.59,0,0,0,33.89,0,0,0,19.71,0,41.08,0.73
I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese,0,0,3.52,1.43,38.53,7.73,0,0.65,13.96,0,34.19,0
I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese,1.33,1.22,3.40,0,40.19,9.10,0.52,0,7.58,0.48,33.22,2.96
I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese,2.87,0,2.57,0,37.48,8.67,0,0.36,10.29,0,37.52,0.24
I2495_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta,6.79,0,1.92,1.07,27.17,4.07,0,0,14.65,0,42.98,1.35
I2499_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta,9.21,0,0.11,0.47,27.71,4.33,0,0.81,12.84,0,44.53,0
I2683_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta,9.16,0.07,1.74,0.67,24.77,1.32,0,0,14.88,0,45.56,1.81
ASH2-3_Iron_Age1,4.96,0,12.41,0,10.20,0,4.20,0,1.89,0,66.34,0
ASH008_Iron_Age2,10.84,0,4.00,0,11.39,0,0,0.63,29.23,0,43.90,0
ASH029_Late_Bronze_Age,8.31,0,9.61,0,12.28,6.19,0,0,27.92,0,35.69,0
ASH033_Late_Bronze_Age,5.83,0,4.07,0,10.30,3.87,0,0,28.76,0,47.17,0
ASH034_Late_Bronze_Age,10.82,0,3.64,0.66,14.01,0,0,0.84,25.02,0,45.01,0
ASH066_Iron_Age1,9.21,0,7.83,0,15.39,0,5.06,0.07,22.99,0.97,37.59,0.90
ASH067_Iron_Age1,9.18,0,3.02,0,23.86,2.30,0,0,19.31,0,42.33,0
ASH068_Iron_Age1,0,0,0,1.65,39.53,8.59,0,0.65,14.61,0,34.97,0
ASH087_Iron_Age2,5.64,1.37,3.88,0,12.66,0,0,2.67,32.15,0,41.63,0
ASH135_Iron_Age2,5.14,0,17.24,0.39,6.20,6.72,0,3.35,27.59,0,33.18,0.18
I2478_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy,5.34,0,0,0,47.45,28.85,0.64,0,3.59,1.22,12.27,0.65
I2477_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy,0,0,6.01,0.21,60.29,7.43,0,0.07,7.60,0.08,18.30,0
I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy,0,1.31,0,0,43.62,20.47,0,0,8.75,0,25.64,0.20
I4930_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Sicily,0,0,10.64,0,41.31,0.42,0,0,9.55,0,38.08,0

 

[Jovialis]

@Demetrios, here is a version with your coordinates included, which is closer to the "Greek" sample; I still think it is Peloponnese, with you a bit more north of it. The two Albanian samples, further north of you, could be seen as a proxy for Thessaloniki, since they overlap with them.

 

[Jovialis]

When using the Modern West Eurasian populations, with the Ancient samples, the Philistine overlaps with the Mycenaeans. Which is slightly south, and much further to the west of me, contrary to the initial PCA I posted.

 

[Demetrios]

When using the Modern West Eurasian populations, with the Ancient samples, the Philistine overlaps with the Mycenaeans. Which is slightly south, and much further to the west of me, contrary to the initial PCA I posted.

Yeah, it appears i am a typical Peloponnesian, which means intermediary location between Thessaloniki and Southern Italians, the latter evidently clustering with the Mycenaeans and the Philistine sample in question. By the way, what is the designation of the BA Armenoi sample on the PCA?

 

[Jovialis]

Amenoi_Crete is close to TSI30 (I will include that in an update when I get a chance tonight), as well as the France_Corsica sample.(The corsica sample is close to TSI30.)

 

[brick]

Yeah, it appears i am a typical Peloponnesian, which means intermediary location between Thessaloniki and Southern Italians, the latter evidently clustering with the Mycenaeans and the Philistine sample in question. By the way, what is the designation of the BA Armenoi sample on the PCA?

Crete_Armenoi is different from the Mycenaeans and Minoans, in Lazaridis's PCA it plots with northern Greeks from Thessaloniki. In Gedmatch Crete_Armenoi plots a bit away from modern populations, towards Northern Italians/Tuscans and Bulgarians/Northern Greeks. Crete_Armenoi gets the worst distances in K15.

Gedmatch Kit Number: Z401678 (Crete_Armenoi I9123)

MDLP K16 2xOracle and OracleX4

Admix Results (sorted):

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[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Percent[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]39.64[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Neolithic[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]34.24[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]NorthEastEuropean[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]11.71[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Steppe[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]6.52[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Amerindian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]2.87[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Australian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]2.26[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Ancestor[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]2.06[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Finished reading population data. 517 populations found.
16 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaloniki @ 11.663928
2 Albanian_Albania @ 12.000857
3 Greek_Athens @ 12.228420
4 Italian_Tuscany @ 12.684225
5 Sicilian_Sicily @ 13.045312
6 Greek_Greece @ 13.209495
7 Kosovar_Kosovo @ 13.225756
8 Italian_SouthItaly @ 13.542761
9 Greek_Peloponnes @ 13.546643
10 Maltese_Malta @ 13.893864
11 Greek_Greece @ 13.965723
12 Italian_Abruzzo @ 14.261950
13 Greek_Macedonia @ 15.071374
14 Italian_NorthIitaly @ 15.338378
15 Jew_Ashkenazim @ 15.710345
16 Jew_Ashkenazi @ 15.954588
17 Corsican_Corsica @ 16.125498
18 Italian_Bergamo @ 16.229155
19 Jew_Ashkenazi @ 16.368599
20 Gagauz_Gagauzia @ 16.508347

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Sardinian_Sardinia +50% Turk_Trabzon @ 9.353472


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaloniki +25% Sardinian_Sardinia +25% Turk_Trabzon @ 7.496452


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Greek_Thessaloniki + Kosovar_Kosovo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.466018
2 Greek_Thessaloniki + Greek_Thessaloniki + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.496452
3 Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_Bergamo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.527965
4 Kosovar_Kosovo + Kosovar_Kosovo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.537002
5 Albanian_Albania + Kosovar_Kosovo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.563157
6 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Greek_Thessaloniki + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.573567
7 Greek_Greece + Italian_Bergamo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.576386
8 Albanian_Albania + Greek_Thessaloniki + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.589819
9 Albanian_Albania + Italian_Bergamo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.621921
10 Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_Tuscany + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.625950
11 Greek_Athens + Italian_Bergamo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.651759
12 Albanian_Albania + Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.665133
13 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Italian_Tuscany + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.668783
14 Albanian_Albania + Albanian_Albania + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.686642
15 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Kosovar_Kosovo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.697384
16 Italian_Tuscany + Kosovar_Kosovo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.708766
17 Albanian_Albania + Italian_Tuscany + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.720934
18 Italian_Bergamo + Kosovar_Kosovo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.778342
19 Greek_Thessaloniki + Italian_NorthIitaly + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.785923
20 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Italian_Bergamo + Sardinian_Sardinia + Turk_Trabzon @ 7.811959



Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle


K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

[TABLE="width: 0"]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]#[/TD]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Percent[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]West_Med[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]29.14[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Baltic[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]16.19[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]North_Atlantic[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]15.55[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]East_Med[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]14.16[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Red_Sea[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]12.66[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]West_Asian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]10.69[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaly @ 17.139467
2 Bulgarian @ 19.459091
3 Tuscan @ 19.659492
4 Central_Greek @ 20.105986
5 East_Sicilian @ 20.423048
6 West_Sicilian @ 20.439310
7 Romanian @ 20.484518
8 North_Italian @ 20.791340
9 Italian_Abruzzo @ 20.877569
10 South_Italian @ 23.176262
11 Serbian @ 23.301306
12 Ashkenazi @ 24.852739
13 Spanish_Extremadura @ 26.338322
14 Spanish_Galicia @ 26.537903
15 Portuguese @ 26.838459
16 Moldavian @ 26.909927
17 Algerian_Jewish @ 27.724848
18 Spanish_Andalucia @ 27.982512
19 Moroccan @ 28.321758
20 Spanish_Murcia @ 28.841026

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Moldavian +50% Moroccan @ 14.127831


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Moldavian +25% Sardinian +25% Saudi @ 11.489973


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Kabardin + Moroccan + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 10.156603
2 Kabardin + Moroccan + Polish + Sardinian @ 10.246059
3 Kabardin + Moroccan + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian @ 10.269535
4 Estonian_Polish + Kabardin + Moroccan + Sardinian @ 10.293427
5 Kabardin + Moroccan + Sardinian + Ukrainian @ 10.332965
6 Balkar + Moroccan + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian @ 10.424162
7 Balkar + Estonian_Polish + Moroccan + Sardinian @ 10.442448
8 Balkar + Moroccan + Polish + Sardinian @ 10.452525
9 Balkar + Moroccan + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 10.456155
10 Kumyk + Moroccan + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 10.495074
11 Belorussian + Kabardin + Moroccan + Sardinian @ 10.503551
12 Estonian_Polish + Moroccan + Ossetian + Sardinian @ 10.516138
13 Adygei + Moroccan + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 10.538552
14 Adygei + Moroccan + Polish + Sardinian @ 10.546384
15 Adygei + Estonian_Polish + Moroccan + Sardinian @ 10.553177
16 Adygei + Moroccan + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian @ 10.560045
17 Moroccan + Ossetian + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian @ 10.561866
18 Kabardin + Lithuanian + Moroccan + Sardinian @ 10.568363
19 Kumyk + Moroccan + Polish + Sardinian @ 10.575541
20 Kumyk + Moroccan + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian @ 10.577345

Done.

Elapsed time 1.9058 seconds.


Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle


Admix Results (sorted):

[TABLE="width: 0"]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]#[/TD]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Percent[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Atlantic_Med[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]36.43[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]North_European[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]21.54[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Caucasus[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]20.53[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Southwest_Asian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]10.38[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Northwest_African[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]5.63[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Gedrosia[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]4.34[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]East_Asian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]1.15[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 8.968685
2 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 10.243786
3 North_Italian_HGDP @ 10.511731
4 TSI30_Metspalu @ 10.526886
5 Tuscan_HGDP @ 12.314641
6 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 13.114214
7 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 15.858938
8 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 16.151669
9 Portuguese_Dodecad @ 16.735641
10 Extremadura_1000Genomes @ 16.817284
11 Canarias_1000Genomes @ 17.347780
12 Murcia_1000Genomes @ 17.713610
13 Castilla_Y_Leon_1000Genomes @ 19.331276
14 Greek_Dodecad @ 19.624538
15 Andalucia_1000Genomes @ 19.795702
16 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 19.902699
17 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 20.248411
18 Spaniards_Behar @ 20.746887
19 Spanish_Dodecad @ 21.090904
20 Cataluna_1000Genomes @ 21.341671

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Dodecad +50% Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 3.181978


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Galicia_1000Genomes +25% Morocco_Jews_Behar +25% Romanians_Behar @ 2.797688


Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Canarias_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Murcia_1000Genomes + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.112039
2 Canarias_1000Genomes + Castilla_Y_Leon_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.204129
3 Aragon_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + Hungarians_Behar + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.213219
4 Aragon_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.216226
5 Canarias_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar + Spanish_Dodecad @ 2.257011
6 Andalucia_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.261468
7 Canarias_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar + Spaniards_Behar @ 2.267900
8 Canarias_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar + Valencia_1000Genomes @ 2.270832
9 Canarias_1000Genomes + Cantabria_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.288237
10 Canarias_1000Genomes + Castilla_La_Mancha_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.307066
11 French_Basque_HGDP + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 2.323120
12 German_Dodecad + Murcia_1000Genomes + Murcia_1000Genomes + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.352118
13 Baleares_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + Dutch_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.398038
14 Castilla_Y_Leon_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Murcia_1000Genomes + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.468009
15 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + British_Isles_Dodecad + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Murcia_1000Genomes @ 2.470825
16 Baleares_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.472091
17 Canarias_1000Genomes + Hungarians_Behar + Samaritians_Behar + Valencia_1000Genomes @ 2.491874
18 Baleares_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.498900
19 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + British_Isles_Dodecad + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Portuguese_Dodecad @ 2.506960
20 British_Isles_Dodecad + Canarias_1000Genomes + North_Italian_HGDP + Samaritians_Behar @ 2.515589

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

[TABLE="width: 0"]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]#[/TD]
[TD]Population[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]Percent[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]West_Med[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]26.42[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Atlantic[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]18.22[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]West_Asian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]14.41[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Baltic[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]14.11[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Red_Sea[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]13.89[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]East_Med[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]6.32[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Eastern_Euro[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]3.35[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 30, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]North_Sea[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]1.74[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian @ 23.968235
2 Tuscan @ 24.014156
3 Greek @ 24.185492
4 North_Italian @ 24.485718
5 Greek_Thessaly @ 25.374260
6 Romanian @ 25.475012
7 Italian_Abruzzo @ 26.588182
8 East_Sicilian @ 26.684841
9 Spanish_Andalucia @ 26.823009
10 Central_Greek @ 27.004074
11 West_Sicilian @ 27.130219
12 Ashkenazi @ 27.704870
13 Spanish_Extremadura @ 27.981295
14 Serbian @ 28.234880
15 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 28.693233
16 Portuguese @ 28.727505
17 Spanish_Galicia @ 28.790810
18 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 28.804472
19 South_Italian @ 28.889931
20 Spanish_Valencia @ 29.109421

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Nogay +50% Sardinian @ 19.573439


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Sardinian +25% Turkish +25% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 18.136768


Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Estonian_Polish + North_Ossetian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 15.704981
2 North_Ossetian + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 15.742607
3 Belorussian + North_Ossetian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 15.830244
4 Lithuanian + North_Ossetian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 15.869636
5 North_Ossetian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 16.012613
6 Balkar + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.031731
7 Balkar + Estonian_Polish + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.043739
8 Kabardin + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.052666
9 Adygei + Estonian_Polish + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.070629
10 Adygei + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.083134
11 Estonian_Polish + Kabardin + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.085138
12 Estonian_Polish + Moroccan + North_Ossetian + Sardinian @ 16.105034
13 North_Ossetian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Southwest_Russian @ 16.128746
14 Balkar + Belorussian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.131834
15 Moroccan + North_Ossetian + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian @ 16.135401
16 Balkar + Lithuanian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.151211
17 Estonian_Polish + Ossetian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.152056
18 Belorussian + Kabardin + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.176079
19 Adygei + Belorussian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.179466
20 North_Ossetian + Polish + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 16.189388

 

[Palermo Trapani]

Great thread. My single distances (top 25) using Dodecad updated K12B and using the sample Jovialis put together in post 117. My results are consistent as with my ancestors all immigrating from Sicilia, regione Trapani, Palermo, Agrigento. My results as Angela noted in citing Stamatoyannopoulus (2017) are consistent with Peloponnesean Greeks sharing a close genetic relationship with Southern Italians [Figure 2, page .639]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]PalermoTrapani[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #79FF00, align: right"]3.56228943[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Campania[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #82FF00, align: right"]3.83059103[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Abruzzo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #89FF00, align: right"]4.03985458[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Sicily[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8EFF00, align: right"]4.18976133[/TD]
[TD]R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C7FF00, align: right"]5.85659507[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Calabria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D6FF00, align: right"]6.30021809[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Apulia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EFFF00, align: right"]7.04316676[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFA00, align: right"]7.65791512[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Lazio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB100, align: right"]9.80278022[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9E00, align: right"]10.34941544[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazy_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9D00, align: right"]10.37221770[/TD]
[TD]Greek_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9A00, align: right"]10.45749014[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Romagna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8D00, align: right"]10.84031826[/TD]
[TD]Greek[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7500, align: right"]11.55112549[/TD]
[TD]I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7200, align: right"]11.64560432[/TD]
[TD]Sephardic_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5B00, align: right"]12.32164762[/TD]
[TD]I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5600, align: right"]12.46343452[/TD]
[TD]I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5400, align: right"]12.53945374[/TD]
[TD]Morocco_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4E00, align: right"]12.70455178[/TD]
[TD]France_Corsica[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3E00, align: right"]13.19014973[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Tuscany[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3C00, align: right"]13.23641568[/TD]
[TD]R850_Iron_Age_Ardea[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3000, align: right"]13.59141273[/TD]
[TD]ASH068_Iron_Age1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2F00, align: right"]13.62262456[/TD]
[TD]I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1400, align: right"]14.40640483[/TD]
[TD]Crimean_Tatar_Coast[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0100, align: right"]14.95868467[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Emilia[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Demetrios]

Crete_Armenoi is different from the Mycenaeans and Minoans, in Lazaridis's PCA it plots with northern Greeks from Thessaloniki. In Gedmatch Crete_Armenoi plots a bit away from modern populations, towards Northern Italians/Tuscans and Bulgarians/Northern Greeks. Crete_Armenoi gets the worst distances in K15.

Gedmatch Kit Number: Z401678 (Crete_Armenoi I9123)

Thanks, i am aware that the Armenoi sample is not viewed as Mycenaean or Minoan. Here is what Lazaridis had written a day after the paper was published, https://twitter.com/iosif_lazaridis/status/892931776372498434.