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That Catholic Northern Albanian guy you're talking about was from Mirdita. I can tell you his results are very atypical for an Albanian. As is his Y-DNA. You can just compare my results to his results and see who is more typical. I have also seen many other Catholic Northern Albanian results and they are much more like mine or some others, both Muslim and Catholic. He either has some foreign ancestry or he is clearly trolling. The guy has history of being mentally unstable so I wouldn't be surprised.
Geni's results are much more typical in this case as is his Y-DNA which falls into a typical Albanian cluster.
Also, I personally don't see what's so atypical about this guys results ? Even I get 70%+ Ancient Greek despite I cluster more north, only difference is the Slavic. This could be because he clusters more south. Other than that, it is pretty typical results for an Albanian.
And those Ancient Greeks come at distance of 6 and 7 to me. And he gets one at 5. I have seen many Albanians get these results.
About this Mirdita guy, let's just say I managed to find his kit and his results are not only genuine but a lot of his matches (most of the top matches too ) are Albanians too. One of his top matches, a family member judging by the shared cM, has similar Italian-like results although with a visible Albanian/West Balkans shift.
Very strange... Could be a case of a single or more villages where this phenomenon happened but having taken place so far back in time it is now forgotten. Not something unheard of imho ... Here in Greece for example something similar it is said to have taken place in various islands of the Aegean and the Ionian seas.
If you mean the R-U152 guy, at least in Eurogenes K13 his values are similar to the Lazio average. Also, his Baltic value is below 10 and his West Med is similar to Central Italians I think. On Eurogenes K15 he has zero East European, only Baltic which I personally have never seen on results from the Balkans.
Can't comment on the results from the other calcs as I am not very familiar with their categories and the typical ranges
Target: pr0_(albanian) Distance: 2.6202% / 2.62015942 | R2P | |
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82.1 | Ancient_Northern_Greek |
17.9 | Slavic |
Alright bro, thanks a lot for the information
It might be that his results are genuine and there might be Albanians that cluster like that too. We just need more people tested. But we have several
other people from Northern Albania/Malsia/Montenegro such as Kelmendasi, Dibran, Drawing-Slim, Dukagjin, Pjeter_Pan, Alb0zfinest etc who's results are nothing like that guys but more in align with mine and other Albanians. And I have seen many others too from people that are not forum members.
I have seen diversity when it comes to how north and south people plot, and there is a slight west and east variance but I never thought there would be people that cluster that west.
Here I tried using the only 2 population function and my Ancient Greek increased
Target: pr0_(albanian)
Distance: 2.6202% / 2.62015942 | R2P
82.1 Ancient_Northern_Greek 17.9 Slavic
PS: I do not get any Judean or Jewish one FTDNA where I did my autosomal or even Slavic for that matter.
But a lot of calculators do give me some Jewish results, Asheknazi, even Shepardi. Mostly related to Poland and Estonia on some more specific ones. High PPNL also.
I do have some suspicion of having had a Jewish maternal gggfather, grandfather of my mtgrandfather. But it is based on shaky suspicions of some masonry on the stone house gate after it burned to the ground, of star of David surrounded by a snake. Also supposedly that side of the family was involved with trade around Turkey/Ottoman empire so who knows. That 15% might be just noise, or there could be something to it.
I do also somehow score high Baltic Neo for some reason.
About this Mirdita guy, let's just say I managed to find his kit and his results are not only genuine but a lot of his matches (most of the top matches too ) are Albanians too. One of his top matches, a family member judging by the shared cM, has similar Italian-like results although with a visible Albanian/West Balkans shift.
Very strange... Could be a case of a single or more villages where this phenomenon happened but having taken place so far back in time it is now forgotten. Not something unheard of imho ... Here in Greece for example something similar it is said to have taken place in various islands of the Aegean and the Ionian seas.
If you mean the R-U152 guy, at least in Eurogenes K13 his values are similar to the Lazio average. Also, his Baltic value is below 10 and his West Med is similar to Central Italians I think. On Eurogenes K15 he has zero East European, only Baltic which I personally have never seen on results from the Balkans.
Can't comment on the results from the other calcs as I am not very familiar with their categories and the typical ranges
That decoration is 99x more likely to be Thraco-Illyrian (esp. Illyrian) in origin rather than jewish, haha.
it would be nice if you could run Greek Albanian and other balkan populations averages using the k13 ancient
That is an exceptionally tight fit for me, the last model using K13 Ancient. All those eastern and northern source populations predate Slavic ethnogenesis by 7k to 1k years.
This would have me believe the signal in me/ethnic Albanians is not Slavic rather Eastern. Even the 20%, but then again these models from one to the other contradict themselves. Posted this one due to the 0.77% fit where usually the best models I can get fall around 2.5% distance.
PS: This one population looks cool.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pazyryk_culture
Complete with Scythian Johny Bravo from the Altay mountains
Horseman, Pazyryk felt artifact, c.300 BC.
it would be nice if you could run Greek Albanian and other balkan populations averages using the k13 ancient
it would be nice if you could run Greek Albanian and other balkan populations averages using the k13 ancient
thanks archetype I appreciate it I'm gonna run some models when I have more spare timeI figured out how to do it.
Paste this
Greek,19.35,16.29,20.51,13.35,25.39,3.12,0.24,0.35 ,0.44,0.34,0.35,0.17,0.05
Greek_Andros_Island,19.35,10.61,18.08,15.98,28.96,4.76,0,0.37,0.54,0.73,0,0.64,0
Greek_Athens,17.98,12.99,21.25,14.22,27.77,3.93,0.32,0.47,0.29,0.16,0.24,0.14,0.25
Greek_Cappadocian,6.83,3.81,18.16,27.6,36.59,4.92,0.94,0.03,0.64,0.03,0.4,0,0
Greek_Caucasus,2.09,2.19,14.56,38.52,36.1,4.13,1.64,0.14,0.14,0,0.49,0,0
Greek_Central,17.81,13.51,20.59,14.66,27.30,4.05,0.60,0.29,0.33,0.42,0.40,0.03,0.01
Greek_Central_Macedonia,18.99,17.79,21.11,12.46,24.88,2.53,0.36,0.37,0.21,0.55,0.18,0.23,0.19
Greek_Chios,12.26,6.67,20.79,20.21,33.04,5.56,0,0.58,0.45,0.02,0.19,0.18,0
Greek_Crete,13.22,9.49,20.29,17.33,32.47,5.12,0.27,0.24,0.20,0.15,0.60,0.47,0.16
Greek_Cyclades,17.87,9.96,20.68,15.25,28.66,4.63,0.10,0.57,0.50,0.54,0.53,0.16,0.08
Greek_Cypriot,5.67,2.81,19.86,20.34,41.08,8.12,0.5,0.07,0.23,0,0.47,0.3,0.54
Greek_Dodecanese,12.59,6.27,20.44,18.63,33.75,6.15,0.72,0.46,0.28,0.21,0.24,0.17,0.09
Greek_Eastern-Macedonia,20.66,15.94,21.89,13.13,22.35,4.13,0,0.41,0.19,0,0.06,1.25,0
Greek_Eastern-Thrace,16.34,17.89,20.20,13.03,27.42,3.63,0,0,1.02,0.31,0.13,0,0
Greek_Ionia,16.28,11.33,20.69,15.75,29.74,4.46,0.09,0.62,0.26,0.20,0.36,0.18,0.05
Greek_Istanbul,18.08,15.35,16.12,19.69,26.36,2.59,0,0,0.53,0.42,0.73,0.13,0
Greek_Macedonia_Thrace,15.23,16.22,18.36,17.97,26.41,3.56,0.54,0.36,0.58,0,0.53,0.15,0.03
Greek_North_Aegean,14.57,8.12,21.16,16.95,32.41,5.20,0.62,0.24,0.25,0.07,0.17,0.23,0.02
Greek_Northeast,20.18,16.56,20.31,13.42,24.38,3.47,0.20,0.26,0.34,0.53,0.20,0.04,0.10
Greek_Northern-Thrace,19.04,22.53,19.23,12.02,24.12,0,0,0,1.00,0,1.52,0,0
Greek_Peloponnese,18.68,15.50,20.35,13.16,26.48,3.48,0.73,0.30,0.30,0.36,0.49,0.16,0.02
Greek_Symi_Island,14.19,2.63,21.63,17.09,35.08,5.84,1.17,0.68,0.64,0,0,0.7,0.34
Greek_Thessaly,20.88,16.97,20.47,11.67,24.62,3.45,0.50,0.40,0.37,0.495,0.30,0.04,0.09
Greek_Trabzon,3.03,2.61,15.35,37.05,36.21,3.91,0.95,0.22,0.3,0.04,0.3,0,0.3
Greek_West,19.36,16.49,21.06,12.79,26.50,2.08,0.03,0.40,0.26,0.37,0.25,0.07,0.03
Greek_West_Macedonia,20.56,15.60,20.43,13.81,24.46,3.48,0.14,0.29,0.43,0.49,0.11,0.22,0
Greek_Western-Thrace,21.88,13.08,22.91,12.65,25.86,1.90,0,1.34,0,0.38,0,0,0
Albanian,21.69,17.54,21.72,11.13,23.86,2.59,0.16,0.28,0.28,0.28,0.22,0.16,0.09
Albanian_Gheg,21.88,18.15,21.86,11.23,22.94,2.61,0.19,0.24,0.26,0.19,0.26,0.16,0.02
Albanian_Tosk,21.32,16.38,21.46,10.93,25.63,2.55,0.09,0.34,0.31,0.46,0.14,0.16,0.22
On K13 Ancient Target tab.
Now go on single, click add distance col once, then click run all.
This way I wont have to link 20+ imgur tabs.
I guess the results are not very good for comparative purposes though. I guess there is either problems with the labels of some ancient samples, or the model itself is overfitting for a lower score, being again as I said not very useful for comparative purposes.
But let me know what you think.
You don't have 33 million ancestors in 1100.The number of ancestors does not increase exponentially plus 2^n for every generations in the past because when you go far back enough, many of your ancestors have common ancestors too among them. This is how Pedigree Collaspe looks like this:Did some math on estimated number of ancestors going back for certain numbers of generations, using the one family line I know the most about, just for a very rough idea. In the mid 1400’s I had more or less 33,000 ancestors. The farthest back I can go in genealogical tracing is the late 1700’s. I wonder if anyone has a rough idea or educated guess of the percentage of ancestors living in the Peloponnese or south Balkans 600 years ago, or even in the 1600’s. One may assume that a significant or substantial percentage of modern Peloponnesians had ancestors living there or somewhere in the south Balkans around the time of Ottoman conquest (the rest coming later with Venetians, Turks, et al.).In 1,100 I had let’s say 33 million ancestors, based on the very rough estimate. What percentage of ancestors lived south of the Jirecek line at that time? One can assume again it’s significant or substantial.Going back to 900 AD, that’s many, many ancestors for all of us. One would think that even at this time, modern Peloponnesians would have had a big percentage of ancestors living south of the Jirecek line.With numbers like these, we can see how laughable the ethnic purity concept is. It’s hard to see how someone misses having at least some admixture with people of the region, when it comes to so many ancestors living there for so long.
You don't have 33 million ancestors in 1100.The number of ancestors does not increase exponentially plus 2^n for every generations in the past because when you go far back enough, many of your ancestors have common ancestors too among them. This is how Pedigree Collaspe looks like this: Simply take in account the isolated Australian Aborigines.
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