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EU states and particularly Germany should be ashamed of themselves. They knew this was going to happen. I hope that Italy France and Germany contribute to diversify their energy sources from the Israel/Lebanon/Cyprus sector and even beyond. Nuclear energy should be part of the solution for their energy needs.
 
While we are at it this should a lesson to the EU and the US re dependence on an adversary in this case China. We the US, Walmart, Target, Lowe's and Home Depot, we made China into the economic and military superpower it is now. Nixon and Kissinger started this and should receive a lot of the blame. Greedy corporations, politicians and ultimately we the consumers share the blame. We need to change our course before it's too late and totally disengage from China. We as the West. We as consumers. We need to shun Chinese made products.
 
I saw this after writing my response....This is not about money my friend, why setting up an army of 180.000 to capture a big country with 44 million people against their will....so not easy to control. A potential very very high cost full operation. With, to stay in your language, a own GDP that is as high as the Benelux (29 mil inhabitants, Russia 144). Money wise a va banque decision.

Notherner, by following the money, what I mean is that you can see where Russia went to to find political cover for this move. Think of it as Forensic financial audit, so to speak, Russia signs a deal wit China to provide mega tons of coal for power, Russia's share of the Asian-Pacific market is now 12%, due to China buying more Russian energy. So that was China's way of giving Putin some short term economic relief if after invading Ukraine, the EU or some EU countries ban imports of Russian Oil and Gas.

It was my way of pointing out that China and Xi gave Putin its assurance that it would not criticize Putin for invading Russia. 1) They signed a major energy supply deal, 2) China in the UN did not vote to criticize Putin and Russia, 3) they refuse to call this an invasion. My conclusion, China will once they see Putin has effectively taken out the Government there and put in one that he controls, they will at some point this year make a move on Taiwan.

So that was the context of the post. China is the one giving Putin the political/diplomatic cover and economic support regarding Ukraine.
 
While we are at it this should a lesson to the EU and the US re dependence on an adversary in this case China. We the US, Walmart, Target, Lowe's and How Depot we made China into the economic and military superpower it is now. Nixon and Kissinger started this and should receive a lot of the blame. Greedy corporations, politicians and ultimately we the consumers. We need to change our course before it's too late and totally disengage from China. We as the West. We as consumers. Shun Chinese made products.

You are correct about Nixon, but Nixon did not push for Free Trade deals, he only wished to thaw relations with China so the USA could focus on the Soviets. The push for Free Trade deals with China started with Bush 1, accelerated with Clinton and culminated with Bush2. Obama was pushing the TPP and Hillary Clinton was for it before she was against it after Trump made it a major political issue in 2016.

You are also correct about decoupling the West from dependence on China for supply chains. I agree 100% on that front.
 
Yeah but China is a tough negotiator and Russia will get pennies on the dollar.

yes indeed
China has already invited Putin to build a gas line to China, but completely at his expense ..
China sees a lot of opportunities in this conflict
 
The European countries have learned nothing, and I mean all of them, with the possible exception of Great Britain, which has traditionally held itself "apart".

Ukraine is gone.

What's truly unforgivable is that NATO sent them arms, leading the Ukraine no doubt to believe it would come to its aid if Russia invaded. The reality is that despite all the rhetoric, no "hard" response was ever even considered.

Let's hope he stops with Ukraine, because I have my doubts Europe or the U.S. would give a hard response even if he took the Baltic States. They've been considered expendable before, why should things be any different now?

I can't stop thinking about the innocent, suffering Ukrainians. Kudos also to their courageous leader; at least he wasn't on the first plane out like the "leaders" of Afghanistan.

that's correct

but right now my sentiment is sadness because of the faith of the Ukrainian people

Europe deserves nothing but my anger
it's a sentiment I feel every day when I watch the political spectacles here
it's nothing but bad theatre
 
Northerner: If your suggestion the US does not think with "Historic context" in mind is a dig at me, I do think in historical context. I am in my 50's and seen since the fall of the Soviet-Union this move for Globalism and Free Trade as being sacrosanct. I have been opposed to this philosophy. You can't sit here and tell me you want to stop Putin when the decisions that the EU made and NATO allies to become dependent on Russia for Oil and Gas is part of the problem. That is what is financing Putin's military machine. Period. So until NATO allies and the EU finally says 1) No more dependency on Russian Oil and Gas, which would mean yes doing exactly what Trump recommended at that NATO summit when he scolded Merkel's energy policies; that is contract with the USA to sell LNG to Europe along with finding supplies from Qatar, Australia, UAE, etc. 2) Sanction the Russian banking system, 3) Take that out of the SWIFT system, and 4) Sanction Putin directly.

Until the EU and Europe is willing to do all of the above, this is all a shi--t show that was largely the result of economic decisions that the EU made going back the last 25 years.

I do understand that it has always been an sort of unwritten rule that a ex President does not criticize a sitting one in a foreign policy crisis. Trump you are correct does not follow historical US Presidential norms. I agree with you 100%. I don't care for Trump personally anymore than I care for any other Politician from NYC, like the Senator Schumer from there, or the former Governor Andrew Cuomo, who I share obviously a close ancestral affinity (Cuomo being a descendent of Italian immigrants from Campania and Sicily) or the former Mayor of NYC "DeBlasio" who actually had a Father of German ancestry and Mother of Italian ancestry but after his parents Divorce, he chose to take his Mother's Family name (maybe some political angel to appeal to the large numbers of Americans of Italian descent in NYC).

But on his policies, Confronting China on their trade practices, currency manipulation and stealing US Industrial and Research Technology, he was 100% correct. His pointing out, in public, NATO and the EU's overreliance on Putin and Russia for its Oil and Gas supplies, 100% correct. His criticizing all these trade deals that the USA Made with countries that do not practice Free and Fair trade, not talking about European countries here, China again, which resulted in shipping mfg. jobs to China, 100% correct. All one had to see was when COVID-19 was hit, the USA did not have the supplies here in the USA to deal with that problem. Will the USA and other countries learn? so that the next time some virus comes out of China, we all collectively, USA and Europe are not dependent on China to provide Medical supplies to deal with a pandemic.

And no I hope there is no War in Europe, despite my criticisms towards many of its leaders and EU, the continent is still the one that gave the world what we call "Western Civilization" which I am obviously tied to on all levels. But if God willing this thing in Ukraine is resolved without anymore escalation, then things should not go back to the way they were before. The EU, as UK PM Boris Johnson stated in the meeting in the House of Commons there the other day (I watched it on Youtube, always love how the UK behave in their meetings with the here, here, responses and how the MP's stand up when the PM talks so he knows they have something to say, wonder example of public debate and discourse), the EU and Europe have to get away from Russia as its major source of Oil and Gas.

And yes, mistakes were made, that is human, what is done is done, but a few years from now if nothing has changed on this energy dependency with Russia, then shame on the EU and shame on the USA for not making the case, with proper diplomacy and decorum (not Trumpian style) for saying this is a direct security threat to NATO and thus the USA. It has to be addressed.

Sorry Palermo I appreciate your sharpness and you analyse very well. But it stays in fully in economic type of thinking. No look and feel with regard to history. Because it's all about trade and export and contracts.

I guess that's part of the problem. But the Europeans thought by the government's and business was mostly: Putin ok he is a sphinx but ok as long as he delivers and we pay....both happy. Just strict Adam Smith.

Europe was not awake in Grozny, the Crimea was more serious but didn't mean a big turn or awakening. Meanwhile the opposition like Navalny disappeared in a camp. Now we are confronted not with mister rational but most probably mister bereseke, with a historic revanchistic agenda.

The inquiry in the wealth of nations is gone, the trade of the gas deals are gone. Poor mister Schröder with his gas deals lost touch with is moral and historic antenne (if he had some).

No Trapani this is not another chapter of follow the money. And the Chinese, ok they use Putin, but they cultural see that berseking behavior of Putin is trouble making. The Chine are not driven by to avoid the human disaster they will buy more oil and gas of Putin, but they hate when things get out of control by mister berseke so listen carefully to them they do already are a bit on distance, calling for diplomacy etc. They have no advantage of when things get out of control. They disgust that.

And of course I'm referring to Trump and the mores of not speaking out loud when you passed office. It's not the norm as such (stay between the lines!), but the effect it has that I stress. That man knows only me, myself and I and this behavior now weakens the US in the potential risk of war between nuclear powers is a pure act of selfishness without looking at the consequences for the world. And that's imo not an exaggeration.

But as such this dealmaking with Putin is caused by not looking further than just thinking in trade-terms, only thinking in $ That was a giant mistake. And now we have the consequences of that...How big can the wake up call be.
 
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See John Mearsheimer for an excellent analysis of the Ukraine crisis, from 2015, shown to be correct on all substantive points six years later --->>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4


In general, US policy toward Russia has been fundamentally misguided for the past 30 years. If our true adversary is China--if China is the peer competitor--then US policy should have sought to peel Russia away from China. The reverse of Nixon's move, wherein he peeled China away from the USSR.

Instead, US policymakers -- regardless of which administration was nominally in power, Clinton, GWB, Obama, Biden -- have been intoxicated with the idea that in their omnipotence the would break Russia and rape its resources for the benefit of the globalist oligarchs who call the shots in the West. But Russia did not break.

A farsighted US policy would have embraced Russia. Instead, we drove Russia into the arms of China. Further, we have been blind to the simple geopolitical reality that Germany and Russia will eventually gravitate toward one another. They have longstanding economic ties, they are naturally interdependent. Despite the bloody 20th century wars between Germany & Russia, they share a great deal of history. German officials played a central role under the great modernizing tsars, Catherine the Great, etcetera . . . .

As NATO begins to fracture, Germany and then the rest of continental Europe will move away from the Anglosphere and toward Russia. Hopefully they will pull Russia west even as Russia pulls them eastward. Perhaps Russia and continental Europe can form a "third pole" sitting between America and China. That would be the best outcome.

The US needs to pivot to China. This means that Germany will have to rebuild its military capacity, as it will need to be able to deter Russia, not because the Russians are evil, but because they are men.

So long as the US vainly tries to keep Russia out of Europe, and so long as the US makes Europe its focus, then China's interest is served
 
^^Sorry, I think it's complete twaddle.

When someone tells you what he wants to do, and why, as Putin has repeatedly done, it behooves the rest of the world to pay attention. He means it.

The same happened with Hitler. He published a book and gave speech after speech detailing what he wanted to do to Europe and the Jews, and he meant every word of it and followed through on every word of it. Did giving him Czechoslovakia work? Did it bring "peace in our time"? No, it didn't; it just emboldened him to think that he'd get Poland too without a fight.

In both cases, ditherers and appeasers in Europe thought they could reason them out of it, "nice" them out of it, if you will. Let's draw them into the greater European community. What bunk! It was stupidity then and it's stupidity now. Russia has had a policy of aggressive expansion for hundreds and hundreds of years. When is the west going to get it? It's probably the only thing on which I agreed with Hitler and the leaders of Nazi Germany. It's just that they were so horrendous that the West couldn't ally with them.

Most countries never learn that if one wants an empire, once the smoke has cleared, at least, you have to treat them well, or eventually they'll overthrow you, and it will create alliances against you because they can see the consequences of conquest by you.

These "truths" can be seen throughout history. What the heck is wrong with most people that they can't accept it?
 
^^Sorry, I think it's complete twaddle.

What you call twaddle, I call balance-of-power realism.

Do you actually think that US and its "allies" are any match for China & Russia together?

Let's see what happens when China makes its move in the South China Sea.

Further, what you call Putin's aggressiveness, I call his "repeated warnings" that our actions in Ukraine posed an existential threat to Russia.

How would you like it if the Russians parked their missiles in Cuba?

Or better yet, if the Chinese were arming the Mexican government with highly lethal "defensive" weapons?
 
Full text of Putin's "Empire of Lies" speech ---> Although he exaggerates Ukrainian atrocities in the Donbass, and though his remarks about wwii are (understandably) biased, everything that Putin says about the United States is true. Read it closely! We are an Empire of Lies, and the empire is coming to its end. The transition will be very painful and precipitous. Hopefully we will have our own country again on the other side of the abyss. Perhaps we can somehow return to the promise of our great nation pre-1914 . . . .

Citizens of Russia, friends,

I consider it necessary today to speak again about the tragic events in Donbass and the key aspects of ensuring the security of Russia.
I will begin with what I said in my address on February 21, 2022. I spoke about our biggest concerns and worries, and about the fundamental threats which irresponsible Western politicians created for Russia consistently, rudely and unceremoniously from year to year. I am referring to the eastward expansion of NATO, which is moving its military infrastructure ever closer to the Russian border.

It is a fact that over the past 30 years we have been patiently trying to come to an agreement with the leading NATO countries regarding the principles of equal and indivisible security in Europe. In response to our proposals, we invariably faced either cynical deception and lies or attempts at pressure and blackmail, while the North Atlantic alliance continued to expand despite our protests and concerns. Its military machine is moving and, as I said, is approaching our very border.
Why is this happening? Where did this insolent manner of talking down from the height of their exceptionalism, infallibility and all-permissiveness come from? What is the explanation for this contemptuous and disdainful attitude to our interests and absolutely legitimate demands?

The answer is simple. Everything is clear and obvious. In the late 1980s, the Soviet Union grew weaker and subsequently broke apart. That experience should serve as a good lesson for us, because it has shown us that the paralysis of power and will is the first step towards complete degradation and oblivion. We lost confidence for only one moment, but it was enough to disrupt the balance of forces in the world.

As a result, the old treaties and agreements are no longer effective. Entreaties and requests do not help. Anything that does not suit the dominant state, the powers that be, is denounced as archaic, obsolete and useless. At the same time, everything it regards as useful is presented as the ultimate truth and forced on others regardless of the cost, abusively and by any means available. Those who refuse to comply are subjected to strong-arm tactics.

What I am saying now does not concerns only Russia, and Russia is not the only country that is worried about this. This has to do with the entire system of international relations, and sometimes even US allies. The collapse of the Soviet Union led to a redivision of the world, and the norms of international law that developed by that time – and the most important of them, the fundamental norms that were adopted following WWII and largely formalised its outcome – came in the way of those who declared themselves the winners of the Cold War.
Of course, practice, international relations and the rules regulating them had to take into account the changes that took place in the world and in the balance of forces. However, this should have been done professionally, smoothly, patiently, and with due regard and respect for the interests of all states and one’s own responsibility. Instead, we saw a state of euphoria created by the feeling of absolute superiority, a kind of modern absolutism, coupled with the low cultural standards and arrogance of those who formulated and pushed through decisions that suited only themselves. The situation took a different turn.

There are many examples of this. First a bloody military operation was waged against Belgrade, without the UN Security Council’s sanction but with combat aircraft and missiles used in the heart of Europe. The bombing of peaceful cities and vital infrastructure went on for several weeks. I have to recall these facts, because some Western colleagues prefer to forget them, and when we mentioned the event, they prefer to avoid speaking about international law, instead emphasising the circumstances which they interpret as they think necessary.

Then came the turn of Iraq, Libya and Syria. The illegal use of military power against Libya and the distortion of all the UN Security Council decisions on Libya ruined the state, created a huge seat of international terrorism, and pushed the country towards a humanitarian catastrophe, into the vortex of a civil war, which has continued there for years. The tragedy, which was created for hundreds of thousands and even millions of people not only in Libya but in the whole region, has led to a large-scale exodus from the Middle East and North Africa to Europe.
A similar fate was also prepared for Syria. The combat operations conducted by the Western coalition in that country without the Syrian government’s approval or UN Security Council’s sanction can only be defined as aggression and intervention.

But the example that stands apart from the above events is, of course, the invasion of Iraq without any legal grounds. They used the pretext of allegedly reliable information available in the United States about the presence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. To prove that allegation, the US Secretary of State held up a vial with white power, publicly, for the whole world to see, assuring the international community that it was a chemical warfare agent created in Iraq. It later turned out that all of that was a fake and a sham, and that Iraq did not have any chemical weapons. Incredible and shocking but true. We witnessed lies made at the highest state level and voiced from the high UN rostrum. As a result we see a tremendous loss in human life, damage, destruction, and a colossal upsurge of terrorism.

Overall, it appears that nearly everywhere, in many regions of the world where the United States brought its law and order, this created bloody, non-healing wounds and the curse of international terrorism and extremism. I have only mentioned the most glaring but far from only examples of disregard for international law.

This array includes promises not to expand NATO eastwards even by an inch. To reiterate: they have deceived us, or, to put it simply, they have played us. Sure, one often hears that politics is a dirty business. It could be, but it shouldn’t be as dirty as it is now, not to such an extent. This type of con-artist behaviour is contrary not only to the principles of international relations but also and above all to the generally accepted norms of morality and ethics. Where is justice and truth here? Just lies and hypocrisy all around.

Incidentally, US politicians, political scientists and journalists write and say that a veritable “empire of lies” has been created inside the United States in recent years. It is hard to disagree with this – it is really so. But one should not be modest about it: the United States is still a great country and a system-forming power. All its satellites not only humbly and obediently say yes to and parrot it at the slightest pretext but also imitate its behaviour and enthusiastically accept the rules it is offering them. Therefore, one can say with good reason and confidence that the whole so-called Western bloc formed by the United States in its own image and likeness is, in its entirety, the very same “empire of lies.”

As for our country, after the disintegration of the USSR, given the entire unprecedented openness of the new, modern Russia, its readiness to work honestly with the United States and other Western partners, and its practically unilateral disarmament, they immediately tried to put the final squeeze on us, finish us off, and utterly destroy us. This is how it was in the 1990s and the early 2000s, when the so-called collective West was actively supporting separatism and gangs of mercenaries in southern Russia. What victims, what losses we had to sustain and what trials we had to go through at that time before we broke the back of international terrorism in the Caucasus! We remember this and will never forget.

Properly speaking, the attempts to use us in their own interests never ceased until quite recently: they sought to destroy our traditional values and force on us their false values that would erode us, our people from within, the attitudes they have been aggressively imposing on their countries, attitudes that are directly leading to degradation and degeneration, because they are contrary to human nature. This is not going to happen. No one has ever succeeded in doing this, nor will they succeed now.

Despite all that, in December 2021, we made yet another attempt to reach agreement with the United States and its allies on the principles of European security and NATO’s non-expansion. Our efforts were in vain. The United States has not changed its position. It does not believe it necessary to agree with Russia on a matter that is critical for us. The United States is pursuing its own objectives, while neglecting our interests.

Of course, this situation begs a question: what next, what are we to expect? If history is any guide, we know that in 1940 and early 1941 the Soviet Union went to great lengths to prevent war or at least delay its outbreak. To this end, the USSR sought not to provoke the potential aggressor until the very end by refraining or postponing the most urgent and obvious preparations it had to make to defend itself from an imminent attack. When it finally acted, it was too late.

As a result, the country was not prepared to counter the invasion by Nazi Germany, which attacked our Motherland on June 22, 1941, without declaring war. The country stopped the enemy and went on to defeat it, but this came at a tremendous cost. The attempt to appease the aggressor ahead of the Great Patriotic War proved to be a mistake which came at a high cost for our people. In the first months after the hostilities broke out, we lost vast territories of strategic importance, as well as millions of lives. We will not make this mistake the second time. We have no right to do so.

Those who aspire to global dominance have publicly designated Russia as their enemy. They did so with impunity. Make no mistake, they had no reason to act this way. It is true that they have considerable financial, scientific, technological, and military capabilities. We are aware of this and have an objective view of the economic threats we have been hearing, just as our ability to counter this brash and never-ending blackmail. Let me reiterate that we have no illusions in this regard and are extremely realistic in our assessments.

As for military affairs, even after the dissolution of the USSR and losing a considerable part of its capabilities, today’s Russia remains one of the most powerful nuclear states. Moreover, it has a certain advantage in several cutting-edge weapons. In this context, there should be no doubt for anyone that any potential aggressor will face defeat and ominous consequences should it directly attack our country.

At the same time, technology, including in the defence sector, is changing rapidly. One day there is one leader, and tomorrow another, but a military presence in territories bordering on Russia, if we permit it to go ahead, will stay for decades to come or maybe forever, creating an ever mounting and totally unacceptable threat for Russia.

Even now, with NATO’s eastward expansion the situation for Russia has been becoming worse and more dangerous by the year. Moreover, these past days NATO leadership has been blunt in its statements that they need to accelerate and step up efforts to bring the alliance’s infrastructure closer to Russia’s borders. In other words, they have been toughening their position. We cannot stay idle and passively observe these developments. This would be an absolutely irresponsible thing to do for us.

Any further expansion of the North Atlantic alliance’s infrastructure or the ongoing efforts to gain a military foothold of the Ukrainian territory are unacceptable for us. Of course, the question is not about NATO itself. It merely serves as a tool of US foreign policy. The problem is that in territories adjacent to Russia, which I have to note is our historical land, a hostile “anti-Russia” is taking shape. Fully controlled from the outside, it is doing everything to attract NATO armed forces and obtain cutting-edge weapons.

For the United States and its allies, it is a policy of containing Russia, with obvious geopolitical dividends. For our country, it is a matter of life and death, a matter of our historical future as a nation. This is not an exaggeration; this is a fact. It is not only a very real threat to our interests but to the very existence of our state and to its sovereignty. It is the red line which we have spoken about on numerous occasions. They have crossed it.

This brings me to the situation in Donbass. We can see that the forces that staged the coup in Ukraine in 2014 have seized power, are keeping it with the help of ornamental election procedures and have abandoned the path of a peaceful conflict settlement. For eight years, for eight endless years we have been doing everything possible to settle the situation by peaceful political means. Everything was in vain.

As I said in my previous address, you cannot look without compassion at what is happening there. It became impossible to tolerate it. We had to stop that atrocity, that genocide of the millions of people who live there and who pinned their hopes on Russia, on all of us. It is their aspirations, the feelings and pain of these people that were the main motivating force behind our decision to recognise the independence of the Donbass people’s republics.

I would like to additionally emphasise the following. Focused on their own goals, the leading NATO countries are supporting the far-right nationalists and neo-Nazis in Ukraine, those who will never forgive the people of Crimea and Sevastopol for freely making a choice to reunite with Russia.

They will undoubtedly try to bring war to Crimea just as they have done in Donbass, to kill innocent people just as members of the punitive units of Ukrainian nationalists and Hitler’s accomplices did during the Great Patriotic War. They have also openly laid claim to several other Russian regions.

If we look at the sequence of events and the incoming reports, the showdown between Russia and these forces cannot be avoided. It is only a matter of time. They are getting ready and waiting for the right moment. Moreover, they went as far as aspire to acquire nuclear weapons. We will not let this happen.

I have already said that Russia accepted the new geopolitical reality after the dissolution of the USSR. We have been treating all new post-Soviet states with respect and will continue to act this way. We respect and will respect their sovereignty, as proven by the assistance we provided to Kazakhstan when it faced tragic events and a challenge in terms of its statehood and integrity. However, Russia cannot feel safe, develop, and exist while facing a permanent threat from the territory of today’s Ukraine.

Let me remind you that in 2000–2005 we used our military to push back against terrorists in the Caucasus and stood up for the integrity of our state. We preserved Russia. In 2014, we supported the people of Crimea and Sevastopol. In 2015, we used our Armed Forces to create a reliable shield that prevented terrorists from Syria from penetrating Russia. This was a matter of defending ourselves. We had no other choice.

The same is happening today. They did not leave us any other option for defending Russia and our people, other than the one we are forced to use today. In these circumstances, we have to take bold and immediate action. The people’s republics of Donbass have asked Russia for help.

In this context, in accordance with Article 51 (Chapter VII) of the UN Charter, with permission of Russia’s Federation Council, and in execution of the treaties of friendship and mutual assistance with the Donetsk People’s Republic and the Lugansk People’s Republic, ratified by the Federal Assembly on February 22, I made a decision to carry out a special military operation.

The purpose of this operation is to protect people who, for eight years now, have been facing humiliation and genocide perpetrated by the Kiev regime. To this end, we will seek to demilitarise and denazify Ukraine, as well as bring to trial those who perpetrated numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including against citizens of the Russian Federation.

It is not our plan to occupy the Ukrainian territory. We do not intend to impose anything on anyone by force. At the same time, we have been hearing an increasing number of statements coming from the West that there is no need any more to abide by the documents setting forth the outcomes of World War II, as signed by the totalitarian Soviet regime. How can we respond to that?

The outcomes of World War II and the sacrifices our people had to make to defeat Nazism are sacred. This does not contradict the high values of human rights and freedoms in the reality that emerged over the post-war decades. This does not mean that nations cannot enjoy the right to self-determination, which is enshrined in Article 1 of the UN Charter.
Let me remind you that the people living in territories which are part of today’s Ukraine were not asked how they want to build their lives when the USSR was created or after World War II. Freedom guides our policy, the freedom to choose independently our future and the future of our children. We believe that all the peoples living in today’s Ukraine, anyone who want to do this, must be able to enjoy this right to make a free choice.

In this context I would like to address the citizens of Ukraine. In 2014, Russia was obliged to protect the people of Crimea and Sevastopol from those who you yourself call “nats.” The people of Crimea and Sevastopol made their choice in favour of being with their historical homeland, Russia, and we supported their choice. As I said, we could not act otherwise.
The current events have nothing to do with a desire to infringe on the interests of Ukraine and the Ukrainian people. They are connected with the defending Russia from those who have taken Ukraine hostage and are trying to use it against our country and our people.

I reiterate: we are acting to defend ourselves from the threats created for us and from a worse peril than what is happening now. I am asking you, however hard this may be, to understand this and to work together with us so as to turn this tragic page as soon as possible and to move forward together, without allowing anyone to interfere in our affairs and our relations but developing them independently, so as to create favourable conditions for overcoming all these problems and to strengthen us from within as a single whole, despite the existence of state borders. I believe in this, in our common future.

I would also like to address the military personnel of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
Comrade officers,

Your fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers did not fight the Nazi occupiers and did not defend our common Motherland to allow today’s neo-Nazis to seize power in Ukraine. You swore the oath of allegiance to the Ukrainian people and not to the junta, the people’s adversary which is plundering Ukraine and humiliating the Ukrainian people.


I urge you to refuse to carry out their criminal orders. I urge you to immediately lay down arms and go home. I will explain what this means: the military personnel of the Ukrainian army who do this will be able to freely leave the zone of hostilities and return to their families.
I want to emphasise again that all responsibility for the possible bloodshed will lie fully and wholly with the ruling Ukrainian regime.
I would now like to say something very important for those who may be tempted to interfere in these developments from the outside. No matter who tries to stand in our way or all the more so create threats for our country and our people, they must know that Russia will respond immediately, and the consequences will be such as you have never seen in your entire history. No matter how the events unfold, we are ready. All the necessary decisions in this regard have been taken. I hope that my words will be heard.

Citizens of Russia,

The culture and values, experience and traditions of our ancestors invariably provided a powerful underpinning for the wellbeing and the very existence of entire states and nations, their success and viability. Of course, this directly depends on the ability to quickly adapt to constant change, maintain social cohesion, and readiness to consolidate and summon all the available forces in order to move forward.
We always need to be strong, but this strength can take on different forms. The “empire of lies,” which I mentioned in the beginning of my speech, proceeds in its policy primarily from rough, direct force. This is when our saying on being “all brawn and no brains” applies.

We all know that having justice and truth on our side is what makes us truly strong. If this is the case, it would be hard to disagree with the fact that it is our strength and our readiness to fight that are the bedrock of independence and sovereignty and provide the necessary foundation for building a reliable future for your home, your family, and your Motherland.

Dear compatriots,

I am certain that devoted soldiers and officers of Russia’s Armed Forces will perform their duty with professionalism and courage. I have no doubt that the government institutions at all levels and specialists will work effectively to guarantee the stability of our economy, financial system and social wellbeing, and the same applies to corporate executives and the entire business community. I hope that all parliamentary parties and civil society take a consolidated, patriotic position.
At the end of the day, the future of Russia is in the hands of its multi-ethnic people, as has always been the case in our history. This means that the decisions that I made will be executed, that we will achieve the goals we have set, and reliably guarantee the security of our Motherland.


I believe in your support and the invincible force rooted in the love for our Fatherland.

 
^^Sorry, I think it's complete twaddle.

When someone tells you what he wants to do, and why, as Putin has repeatedly done, it behooves the rest of the world to pay attention. He means it.

The same happened with Hitler. He published a book and gave speech after speech detailing what he wanted to do to Europe and the Jews, and he meant every word of it and followed through on every word of it. Did giving him Czechoslovakia work? Did it bring "peace in our time"? No, it didn't; it just emboldened him to think that he'd get Poland too without a fight.

In both cases, ditherers and appeasers in Europe thought they could reason them out of it, "nice" them out of it, if you will. Let's draw them into the greater European community. What bunk! It was stupidity then and it's stupidity now. Russia has had a policy of aggressive expansion for hundreds and hundreds of years. When is the west going to get it? It's probably the only thing on which I agreed with Hitler and the leaders of Nazi Germany. It's just that they were so horrendous that the West couldn't ally with them.

Most countries never learn that if one wants an empire, once the smoke has cleared, at least, you have to treat them well, or eventually they'll overthrow you, and it will create alliances against you because they can see the consequences of conquest by you.

These "truths" can be seen throughout history. What the heck is wrong with most people that they can't accept it?

The Europeans have totally understated they or we real underestimated Putin and it's real intentions.

Part or the problem is only thinking in economics. We make a deal and what the heck the guy behind is doing!

Schröder the ex challencor of Germany is a perfect example of this. Always driven by ambition he was a son of a man died in ww2, started as a man who sells porcelain at the door, made a carrier flight as politician. I personally made an address as a very young man when the SPD was 50 years old and I was there from the party neighboring country/ region to give congrats and held a speech. Schröder was at that time president of Lower Saxony. I dare to have critic on his line (ok I'm nothing else now than back in those days) he was against the euro ;). He smiled a bit.....and I guess he did find it amusing a young Dutch guy teaching lessons and he applauded loud ;) ...Just a little personal note. Anyhow he became chancellor and was mister pragmatic number one. Scene of big cigars, fine suites etc etc. Big man attitude.

He is imo the personification of being the lobbyist for Putin for a nice price. He gave Nord Stream 2 to Putin. Was active in the gas industry in Russia. And had a big "bromance" with Putin. And he staid a crucial part in the backing of Putin, see this inauguration of Putin in 2018, wo got a handshake of Putin, the patriarch, the head of state and Schröder:
https://www.rt.com/news/426020-putin-schroeder-handshake-inauguration/

The last weeks he was nominated for the board of Gazprom. And he was openly criticizing the Ukraine for warmongering. Now he is the paria in German politics and his party is eager to get the hands of him (that's also politics ;)

In a nutshell this is what you get when you act pure pragmatic, economic without an antenne for moral and history...

We all should have realized this much earlier.
 
You are correct about Nixon, but Nixon did not push for Free Trade deals, he only wished to thaw relations with China so the USA could focus on the Soviets. The push for Free Trade deals with China started with Bush 1, accelerated with Clinton and culminated with Bush2. Obama was pushing the TPP and Hillary Clinton was for it before she was against it after Trump made it a major political issue in 2016.

You are also correct about decoupling the West from dependence on China for supply chains. I agree 100% on that front.

The baton passed from Nixon to Carter first then Reagan then Bush. Carter started dropping trade restriction on China then Regan pretty much expanded them. Carter made China a most favorite trade partner basically dropping any kind of duties on Chinese products.
 
Full text of Putin's "Empire of Lies" speech ---> Although he exaggerates Ukrainian atrocities in the Donbass, and though his remarks about wwii are (understandably) biased, everything that Putin says about the United States is true. Read it closely! We are an Empire of Lies, and the empire is coming to its end. The transition will be very painful and precipitous. Hopefully we will have our own country again on the other side of the abyss. Perhaps we can somehow return to the promise of our great nation pre-1914 . . . .

Citizens of Russia, friends,

I consider it necessary today to speak again about the tragic events in Donbass and the key aspects of ensuring the security of Russia.
I will begin with what I said in my address on February 21, 2022. I spoke about our biggest concerns and worries, and about the fundamental threats which irresponsible Western politicians created for Russia consistently, rudely and unceremoniously from year to year. I am referring to the eastward expansion of NATO, which is moving its military infrastructure ever closer to the Russian border.

It is a fact that over the past 30 years we have been patiently trying to come to an agreement with the leading NATO countries regarding the principles of equal and indivisible security in Europe. In response to our proposals, we invariably faced either cynical deception and lies or attempts at pressure and blackmail, while the North Atlantic alliance continued to expand despite our protests and concerns. Its military machine is moving and, as I said, is approaching our very border.
Why is this happening? Where did this insolent manner of talking down from the height of their exceptionalism, infallibility and all-permissiveness come from? What is the explanation for this contemptuous and disdainful attitude to our interests and absolutely legitimate demands?

The answer is simple. Everything is clear and obvious. In the late 1980s, the Soviet Union grew weaker and subsequently broke apart. That experience should serve as a good lesson for us, because it has shown us that the paralysis of power and will is the first step towards complete degradation and oblivion. We lost confidence for only one moment, but it was enough to disrupt the balance of forces in the world.

As a result, the old treaties and agreements are no longer effective. Entreaties and requests do not help. Anything that does not suit the dominant state, the powers that be, is denounced as archaic, obsolete and useless. At the same time, everything it regards as useful is presented as the ultimate truth and forced on others regardless of the cost, abusively and by any means available. Those who refuse to comply are subjected to strong-arm tactics.

What I am saying now does not concerns only Russia, and Russia is not the only country that is worried about this. This has to do with the entire system of international relations, and sometimes even US allies. The collapse of the Soviet Union led to a redivision of the world, and the norms of international law that developed by that time – and the most important of them, the fundamental norms that were adopted following WWII and largely formalised its outcome – came in the way of those who declared themselves the winners of the Cold War.
Of course, practice, international relations and the rules regulating them had to take into account the changes that took place in the world and in the balance of forces. However, this should have been done professionally, smoothly, patiently, and with due regard and respect for the interests of all states and one’s own responsibility. Instead, we saw a state of euphoria created by the feeling of absolute superiority, a kind of modern absolutism, coupled with the low cultural standards and arrogance of those who formulated and pushed through decisions that suited only themselves. The situation took a different turn.

There are many examples of this. First a bloody military operation was waged against Belgrade, without the UN Security Council’s sanction but with combat aircraft and missiles used in the heart of Europe. The bombing of peaceful cities and vital infrastructure went on for several weeks. I have to recall these facts, because some Western colleagues prefer to forget them, and when we mentioned the event, they prefer to avoid speaking about international law, instead emphasising the circumstances which they interpret as they think necessary.

Then came the turn of Iraq, Libya and Syria. The illegal use of military power against Libya and the distortion of all the UN Security Council decisions on Libya ruined the state, created a huge seat of international terrorism, and pushed the country towards a humanitarian catastrophe, into the vortex of a civil war, which has continued there for years. The tragedy, which was created for hundreds of thousands and even millions of people not only in Libya but in the whole region, has led to a large-scale exodus from the Middle East and North Africa to Europe.
A similar fate was also prepared for Syria. The combat operations conducted by the Western coalition in that country without the Syrian government’s approval or UN Security Council’s sanction can only be defined as aggression and intervention.

But the example that stands apart from the above events is, of course, the invasion of Iraq without any legal grounds. They used the pretext of allegedly reliable information available in the United States about the presence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. To prove that allegation, the US Secretary of State held up a vial with white power, publicly, for the whole world to see, assuring the international community that it was a chemical warfare agent created in Iraq. It later turned out that all of that was a fake and a sham, and that Iraq did not have any chemical weapons. Incredible and shocking but true. We witnessed lies made at the highest state level and voiced from the high UN rostrum. As a result we see a tremendous loss in human life, damage, destruction, and a colossal upsurge of terrorism.

Overall, it appears that nearly everywhere, in many regions of the world where the United States brought its law and order, this created bloody, non-healing wounds and the curse of international terrorism and extremism. I have only mentioned the most glaring but far from only examples of disregard for international law.

This array includes promises not to expand NATO eastwards even by an inch. To reiterate: they have deceived us, or, to put it simply, they have played us. Sure, one often hears that politics is a dirty business. It could be, but it shouldn’t be as dirty as it is now, not to such an extent. This type of con-artist behaviour is contrary not only to the principles of international relations but also and above all to the generally accepted norms of morality and ethics. Where is justice and truth here? Just lies and hypocrisy all around.

Incidentally, US politicians, political scientists and journalists write and say that a veritable “empire of lies” has been created inside the United States in recent years. It is hard to disagree with this – it is really so. But one should not be modest about it: the United States is still a great country and a system-forming power. All its satellites not only humbly and obediently say yes to and parrot it at the slightest pretext but also imitate its behaviour and enthusiastically accept the rules it is offering them. Therefore, one can say with good reason and confidence that the whole so-called Western bloc formed by the United States in its own image and likeness is, in its entirety, the very same “empire of lies.”

As for our country, after the disintegration of the USSR, given the entire unprecedented openness of the new, modern Russia, its readiness to work honestly with the United States and other Western partners, and its practically unilateral disarmament, they immediately tried to put the final squeeze on us, finish us off, and utterly destroy us. This is how it was in the 1990s and the early 2000s, when the so-called collective West was actively supporting separatism and gangs of mercenaries in southern Russia. What victims, what losses we had to sustain and what trials we had to go through at that time before we broke the back of international terrorism in the Caucasus! We remember this and will never forget.

Properly speaking, the attempts to use us in their own interests never ceased until quite recently: they sought to destroy our traditional values and force on us their false values that would erode us, our people from within, the attitudes they have been aggressively imposing on their countries, attitudes that are directly leading to degradation and degeneration, because they are contrary to human nature. This is not going to happen. No one has ever succeeded in doing this, nor will they succeed now.

Despite all that, in December 2021, we made yet another attempt to reach agreement with the United States and its allies on the principles of European security and NATO’s non-expansion. Our efforts were in vain. The United States has not changed its position. It does not believe it necessary to agree with Russia on a matter that is critical for us. The United States is pursuing its own objectives, while neglecting our interests.

Of course, this situation begs a question: what next, what are we to expect? If history is any guide, we know that in 1940 and early 1941 the Soviet Union went to great lengths to prevent war or at least delay its outbreak. To this end, the USSR sought not to provoke the potential aggressor until the very end by refraining or postponing the most urgent and obvious preparations it had to make to defend itself from an imminent attack. When it finally acted, it was too late.

As a result, the country was not prepared to counter the invasion by Nazi Germany, which attacked our Motherland on June 22, 1941, without declaring war. The country stopped the enemy and went on to defeat it, but this came at a tremendous cost. The attempt to appease the aggressor ahead of the Great Patriotic War proved to be a mistake which came at a high cost for our people. In the first months after the hostilities broke out, we lost vast territories of strategic importance, as well as millions of lives. We will not make this mistake the second time. We have no right to do so.

Those who aspire to global dominance have publicly designated Russia as their enemy. They did so with impunity. Make no mistake, they had no reason to act this way. It is true that they have considerable financial, scientific, technological, and military capabilities. We are aware of this and have an objective view of the economic threats we have been hearing, just as our ability to counter this brash and never-ending blackmail. Let me reiterate that we have no illusions in this regard and are extremely realistic in our assessments.

As for military affairs, even after the dissolution of the USSR and losing a considerable part of its capabilities, today’s Russia remains one of the most powerful nuclear states. Moreover, it has a certain advantage in several cutting-edge weapons. In this context, there should be no doubt for anyone that any potential aggressor will face defeat and ominous consequences should it directly attack our country.

At the same time, technology, including in the defence sector, is changing rapidly. One day there is one leader, and tomorrow another, but a military presence in territories bordering on Russia, if we permit it to go ahead, will stay for decades to come or maybe forever, creating an ever mounting and totally unacceptable threat for Russia.

Even now, with NATO’s eastward expansion the situation for Russia has been becoming worse and more dangerous by the year. Moreover, these past days NATO leadership has been blunt in its statements that they need to accelerate and step up efforts to bring the alliance’s infrastructure closer to Russia’s borders. In other words, they have been toughening their position. We cannot stay idle and passively observe these developments. This would be an absolutely irresponsible thing to do for us.

Any further expansion of the North Atlantic alliance’s infrastructure or the ongoing efforts to gain a military foothold of the Ukrainian territory are unacceptable for us. Of course, the question is not about NATO itself. It merely serves as a tool of US foreign policy. The problem is that in territories adjacent to Russia, which I have to note is our historical land, a hostile “anti-Russia” is taking shape. Fully controlled from the outside, it is doing everything to attract NATO armed forces and obtain cutting-edge weapons.

For the United States and its allies, it is a policy of containing Russia, with obvious geopolitical dividends. For our country, it is a matter of life and death, a matter of our historical future as a nation. This is not an exaggeration; this is a fact. It is not only a very real threat to our interests but to the very existence of our state and to its sovereignty. It is the red line which we have spoken about on numerous occasions. They have crossed it.

This brings me to the situation in Donbass. We can see that the forces that staged the coup in Ukraine in 2014 have seized power, are keeping it with the help of ornamental election procedures and have abandoned the path of a peaceful conflict settlement. For eight years, for eight endless years we have been doing everything possible to settle the situation by peaceful political means. Everything was in vain.

As I said in my previous address, you cannot look without compassion at what is happening there. It became impossible to tolerate it. We had to stop that atrocity, that genocide of the millions of people who live there and who pinned their hopes on Russia, on all of us. It is their aspirations, the feelings and pain of these people that were the main motivating force behind our decision to recognise the independence of the Donbass people’s republics.

I would like to additionally emphasise the following. Focused on their own goals, the leading NATO countries are supporting the far-right nationalists and neo-Nazis in Ukraine, those who will never forgive the people of Crimea and Sevastopol for freely making a choice to reunite with Russia.

They will undoubtedly try to bring war to Crimea just as they have done in Donbass, to kill innocent people just as members of the punitive units of Ukrainian nationalists and Hitler’s accomplices did during the Great Patriotic War. They have also openly laid claim to several other Russian regions.

If we look at the sequence of events and the incoming reports, the showdown between Russia and these forces cannot be avoided. It is only a matter of time. They are getting ready and waiting for the right moment. Moreover, they went as far as aspire to acquire nuclear weapons. We will not let this happen.

I have already said that Russia accepted the new geopolitical reality after the dissolution of the USSR. We have been treating all new post-Soviet states with respect and will continue to act this way. We respect and will respect their sovereignty, as proven by the assistance we provided to Kazakhstan when it faced tragic events and a challenge in terms of its statehood and integrity. However, Russia cannot feel safe, develop, and exist while facing a permanent threat from the territory of today’s Ukraine.

Let me remind you that in 2000–2005 we used our military to push back against terrorists in the Caucasus and stood up for the integrity of our state. We preserved Russia. In 2014, we supported the people of Crimea and Sevastopol. In 2015, we used our Armed Forces to create a reliable shield that prevented terrorists from Syria from penetrating Russia. This was a matter of defending ourselves. We had no other choice.

The same is happening today. They did not leave us any other option for defending Russia and our people, other than the one we are forced to use today. In these circumstances, we have to take bold and immediate action. The people’s republics of Donbass have asked Russia for help.

In this context, in accordance with Article 51 (Chapter VII) of the UN Charter, with permission of Russia’s Federation Council, and in execution of the treaties of friendship and mutual assistance with the Donetsk People’s Republic and the Lugansk People’s Republic, ratified by the Federal Assembly on February 22, I made a decision to carry out a special military operation.

The purpose of this operation is to protect people who, for eight years now, have been facing humiliation and genocide perpetrated by the Kiev regime. To this end, we will seek to demilitarise and denazify Ukraine, as well as bring to trial those who perpetrated numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including against citizens of the Russian Federation.

It is not our plan to occupy the Ukrainian territory. We do not intend to impose anything on anyone by force. At the same time, we have been hearing an increasing number of statements coming from the West that there is no need any more to abide by the documents setting forth the outcomes of World War II, as signed by the totalitarian Soviet regime. How can we respond to that?

The outcomes of World War II and the sacrifices our people had to make to defeat Nazism are sacred. This does not contradict the high values of human rights and freedoms in the reality that emerged over the post-war decades. This does not mean that nations cannot enjoy the right to self-determination, which is enshrined in Article 1 of the UN Charter.
Let me remind you that the people living in territories which are part of today’s Ukraine were not asked how they want to build their lives when the USSR was created or after World War II. Freedom guides our policy, the freedom to choose independently our future and the future of our children. We believe that all the peoples living in today’s Ukraine, anyone who want to do this, must be able to enjoy this right to make a free choice.

In this context I would like to address the citizens of Ukraine. In 2014, Russia was obliged to protect the people of Crimea and Sevastopol from those who you yourself call “nats.” The people of Crimea and Sevastopol made their choice in favour of being with their historical homeland, Russia, and we supported their choice. As I said, we could not act otherwise.
The current events have nothing to do with a desire to infringe on the interests of Ukraine and the Ukrainian people. They are connected with the defending Russia from those who have taken Ukraine hostage and are trying to use it against our country and our people.

I reiterate: we are acting to defend ourselves from the threats created for us and from a worse peril than what is happening now. I am asking you, however hard this may be, to understand this and to work together with us so as to turn this tragic page as soon as possible and to move forward together, without allowing anyone to interfere in our affairs and our relations but developing them independently, so as to create favourable conditions for overcoming all these problems and to strengthen us from within as a single whole, despite the existence of state borders. I believe in this, in our common future.

I would also like to address the military personnel of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
Comrade officers,

Your fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers did not fight the Nazi occupiers and did not defend our common Motherland to allow today’s neo-Nazis to seize power in Ukraine. You swore the oath of allegiance to the Ukrainian people and not to the junta, the people’s adversary which is plundering Ukraine and humiliating the Ukrainian people.


I urge you to refuse to carry out their criminal orders. I urge you to immediately lay down arms and go home. I will explain what this means: the military personnel of the Ukrainian army who do this will be able to freely leave the zone of hostilities and return to their families.
I want to emphasise again that all responsibility for the possible bloodshed will lie fully and wholly with the ruling Ukrainian regime.
I would now like to say something very important for those who may be tempted to interfere in these developments from the outside. No matter who tries to stand in our way or all the more so create threats for our country and our people, they must know that Russia will respond immediately, and the consequences will be such as you have never seen in your entire history. No matter how the events unfold, we are ready. All the necessary decisions in this regard have been taken. I hope that my words will be heard.

Citizens of Russia,

The culture and values, experience and traditions of our ancestors invariably provided a powerful underpinning for the wellbeing and the very existence of entire states and nations, their success and viability. Of course, this directly depends on the ability to quickly adapt to constant change, maintain social cohesion, and readiness to consolidate and summon all the available forces in order to move forward.
We always need to be strong, but this strength can take on different forms. The “empire of lies,” which I mentioned in the beginning of my speech, proceeds in its policy primarily from rough, direct force. This is when our saying on being “all brawn and no brains” applies.

We all know that having justice and truth on our side is what makes us truly strong. If this is the case, it would be hard to disagree with the fact that it is our strength and our readiness to fight that are the bedrock of independence and sovereignty and provide the necessary foundation for building a reliable future for your home, your family, and your Motherland.

Dear compatriots,

I am certain that devoted soldiers and officers of Russia’s Armed Forces will perform their duty with professionalism and courage. I have no doubt that the government institutions at all levels and specialists will work effectively to guarantee the stability of our economy, financial system and social wellbeing, and the same applies to corporate executives and the entire business community. I hope that all parliamentary parties and civil society take a consolidated, patriotic position.
At the end of the day, the future of Russia is in the hands of its multi-ethnic people, as has always been the case in our history. This means that the decisions that I made will be executed, that we will achieve the goals we have set, and reliably guarantee the security of our Motherland.


I believe in your support and the invincible force rooted in the love for our Fatherland.


I'm 99% sure this is a sock acccount and you're not Italian, which is a small consolation. Unfortunately, you are probably American.

What a disgrace.


I will personally pay for your ticket to Russia if you renounce your U.S. citizenship to make it more difficult to come back.
 
I am a true American patriot, and I feel very deeply connected to the history of Western Europe. I support the long-term interests of our people

Your idea of patriotism is blindly following our clearly corrupt ruling elites.

If you cannot recognize when your adversary speaks the truth, that's is your failing, not mine.

Have you even bothered to look at the Mearsheimer video?
 
American policy is aimed at keeping Russia out of Europe and Germany down. This was a policy that served the interests of Anglo-American financial empire during the 20th century. But did this policy ever truly serve the interests of ordinary Americans and Europeans? And if it once did, is it a smart policy now when the enemy of the US is no longer Russia, let alone Germany, but China?

Perhaps we need a fundamental re-think?

As for the Germans, if they were at all serious, and not still under the boot of their American conquerors, they would (1) build nuclear reactors for their clean energy needs, and (2) go ahead with Nordstream 2 and pursue closer ties with Russia
 
American policy is aimed at keeping Russia out of Europe and Germany down. This was a policy that served the interests of Anglo-American financial empire during the 20th century. But did this policy ever truly serve the interests of ordinary Americans and Europeans? And if it once did, is it a smart policy now when the enemy of the US is no longer Russia, let alone Germany, but China?

Perhaps we need a fundamental re-think?

As for the Germans, if they were at all serious, and not still under the boot of their American conquerors, they would (1) build nuclear reactors for their clean energy needs, and (2) go ahead with Nordstream 2 and pursue closer ties with Russia

What anti-American Marxist professor taught you European history?

It's the Europeans who most fear a resurgent, militarized Germany, because they were the ones who had to suffer from their occupation. The western nations enthusiastically supported the idea of NATO; they just wanted us to pay for it. The former eastern bloc countries PLEADED to get into NATO because they knew what it was like to live under the Russian boot and knew Putin would try to restore Russian hegemony over all of Eastern Europe at the first opportunity.

It's useless talking to people who haven't read European or American history, for that matter, written by people other than Marxists.

Open your eyes and listen to what people who actually lived in Eastern Europe tell you. Or are you just a younger version of John Reed, one of that whole brigade of so easily deluded Americans who caused so much trouble because ideology blinded them. To protect that ideology, they lied not only to the world but to themselves. As Mary McCarthy famously said of Lillian Hellman, "Everything she writes is a lie, including "a" and "the". :)

Now, as far as you're concerned, I'm out.
 
What anti-American Marxist professor taught you European history?

It's the Europeans who most fear a resurgent, militarized Germany, because they were the ones who had to suffer from their occupation. The western nations enthusiastically supported the idea of NATO; they just wanted us to pay for it. The former eastern bloc countries PLEADED to get into NATO because they knew what it was like to live under the Russian boot and knew Putin would try to restore Russian hegemony over all of Eastern Europe at the first opportunity.

It's useless talking to people who haven't read European or American history, for that matter, written by people other than Marxists.

Open your eyes and listen to what people who actually lived in Eastern Europe tell you. Or are you just a younger version of John Reed, one of that whole brigade of so easily deluded Americans who caused so much trouble because ideology blinded them. To protect that ideology, they lied not only to the world but to themselves. As Mary McCarthy famously said of Lillian Hellman, "Everything she writes is a lie, including "a" and "the". :)

Now, as far as you're concerned, I'm out.

Don't waste anymore of your energy Angela. He's a Putin apologist just like he will be a Xi apologist if they decide to invade Taiwan blaming the US for all the ills of the world.

@malaparte, what lethal weapons did we provide to Ukraine? Did we provide with bombers, attack planes, fighters? Did we provide them with armed drones? Abrams tanks? Oh my God we provided with Javelins that you have to be within 1.2 mile of a tank to hit it.
 

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