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Are you being serious?I think it just relates to weather, for example compare the current weather in Zardkooh (Kuhrang county) in the south of Iran to Stockholm in Sweden, I just searched in google:
Are you being serious?
That’s a valid point, and I understand what you're saying. However, the discussion about the PIE homeland is usually polarizing,
In my observation, there is a tendency in the archaeogenetic community, to react with shaming tactics to shut down those who don't believe in the Anatolian or Iran's origin of PIE. So according to some, anyone that doesn't believe that the pesky- Indo-Europeans, a bunch of unskilled savages as some call them, were from Anatolia or Iran, is a racist or white supremacist: This is SJW or Twitter niveau. I'm not saying that there aren't people who for ideological reasons or because of bias reject the Anatolian hypothesis (they definitely do exist), but to put every "Kurganist" or Steppe proponent under general suspicion it's a poor reflection of the debate culture. Shame-based conservation should have no room in a rational, nuanced, and scientific-based discourse.
I personally have no strong opinion as to where the language was first spoken. I find it beyond bizarre that it's such an emotional issue for so many people.
I personally don't have a bad impression of the Iranian people in spite of the image of Iran that has been painted by the media. Besides, I'm well aware of Iran's rich history, heritage and culture.
I think the issue is so polarizing because if an Iranian Homeland is indeed proven beyond any shadow of doubt by Reich then that will be the nail on the coffin of the racist ideological discourse of the 18th-19th century and the absolute destruction of modern politics that try to base their narrative on such racial discourse, whether in a disguised manner or out in the open.
Reich will single handedly (in a manner of speech) be responsible for dismantling the foundation of all racial-ladder related politics, once and for all.
Thank you very much for bringing the Lurs to my attention.Of course I meant other than Genetic evidences, as you read about these Lurs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lurs Considering their NRY variation, the Lurs are distinguished from other Iranian groups by their relatively elevated frequency of Y-DNA Haplogroup R1b (specifically, of subclade R1b1a2a-L23).
Considering their NRY variation, the Lurs are distinguished from other Iranian groups by their relatively elevated frequency of Y-DNA Haplogroup R1b (specifically, of subclade R1b1a2a-L23).[14] Together with its other clades, the R1 group comprises the single most common haplogroup among the Lurs.[14][15] Haplogroup J2a (subclades J2a3a-M47, J2a3b-M67, J2a3h-M530, more specifically) is the second most commonly occurring patrilineage in the Lurs and is associated with the diffusion of agriculturalists from the Neolithic Near East c. 8000-4000 BCE.[15][16][17][18] Another haplogroup reaching a frequency above 10% is that of G2a, with subclade G2a3b accounting for most of this.[19] Also significant is haplogroup E1b1b1a1b, for which the Lurs display the highest frequency in Iran.[19] Lineages Q1b1 and Q1a3 present at 6%, and T at 4%.[19]
Right, for example racist justifications for slavery almost always hinged on whether Indo-European languages originated in Europe or Iran.
What you describe is the actual reversal of what really happened. Most people don't spend their whole time researching the issue, they just follow the announcements made by academics and their peers.
As soon as Planck (remember the infamous Russel Gray documentary bit?) and Reich started to talk about the Armenian/Iranian homeland of PIE, as a result, people also started getting interested and inquiring about the subject on the anthroforums; the organised sect of the Kurganists barraged against such inquiries with posts that ranged from subtle irony all the way to vulgar ad homs, usually accompanied by an assortment of complicated mental gymnastics ("Iran/CHG in Steppe is not really Iran/CHG but 'native' and hence also 'pure Euro'", "CHG admixture was strictly female mediated so our glorious ancestors just shopped around for brides", etc) as well as "proof" mediated by dubious closed source PCA platforms that are supposed to be taken for granted against all other sources.
I think the issue is so polarizing because if an Iranian Homeland is indeed proven beyond any shadow of doubt by Reich then that will be the nail on the coffin of the racist ideological discourse of the 18th-19th century and the absolute destruction of modern politics that try to base their narrative on such racial discourse, whether in a disguised manner or out in the open.
Reich will single handedly (in a manner of speech) be responsible for dismantling the foundation of all racial-ladder related politics, once and for all.
Not a small feat.
Will he deliver? That remains to be seen.
Indocentrism is any ethnocentric perspective that regards India to be central or unique relative to other countries and holds that the "host" culture i.e. of India, is superior to others.
According to Indologist Michael Witzel, there is a recent tendency of indigenously-minded historical revisionism and rewriting of India's history and archaeology in scholarly publications, media, the Internet and government publications. This Indocentric rewriting includes claims that the first human civilization in the world formed in India in c. 10,000 BC, that there is an uninterrupted continuity of the Indian civilization from 7500 BC to present, and that Indo-European speaking Europe was populated by the immigrant people from the Indo-Gangetic Plain
Indigenous Aryanism, also known as the Indigenous Aryans theory (IAT) and the Out of India theory (OIT), is the conviction that the Aryans are indigenous to the Indian subcontinent, and that the Indo-European languages radiated out from a homeland in India into their present locations. It is a "religio-nationalistic" view on Indian history, and propagated as an alternative to the established migration model, which considers the Pontic–Caspian steppe to be the area of origin of the Indo-European languages.
It shouldn't be to real researchers, only those who phish for highlight they think may support agendas.I too agree that the discussion is rather polarising,
Your comment totally proves my point.
Personally, I have nothing in my pocket in ascribing the ultimate origin of the Indo-Europeans to the Steppe or the Caucasus - I live well anyway - although from a purely speculative point of view at the moment and in the light of recent studies....
It shouldn't be to real researchers, only those who phish for highlight they think may support agendas.
What do you make out of the fact, that India doesn't show any genetic influence from Anatolia?
I may be wrong, but if I had to make a bet what Reich's team will propose could be a revisiting or updating - this time on a genetic basis - of what used to be the "Indo-Hittite" linguistic theory, where a local branch of this archaic super-group develops substantially autonomously in the South Caucasian-Iranian arc. A spin-off or sister branch of it is the one that reaches the steppes, being reworked by the local EHGs and giving rise to the Yamnaya, who would later explode mainly in the northern continental belt, but in some cases also leading to minor counter-migrations towards the Caucasus.
There was a very early migration from the Steppe to the Southern Arc as shown by the Areni samples from Armenia almost to the Iranian border. These however also had Levant_PPN/Natufian-like admixture which is missing in Yamnaya, so I doubt that the latter were influenced by Areni. On the contrary, it is more likely Areni-like people influenced Anatolia.
Ernest Mackay, who published the mask from Harappa
and the “priest” figure from Mohenjo-daro, pointed out
that they in no way correspond to the local small plastic art
traditions and held them as imports. Of the Harappan
terracottas proper, a minutely developed canon is
characteristic: these are female statuettes with luxuriant
locks and round eyes rendered with appliqués or pits.
Against such a background, the maskoids and “priests” are
noteworthy precisely because of their peculiarity.
According to Mackay, these statuettes are of a distinctly
Mongoloid appearance and differ sharply in their facial
type from the ordinary examples. They were retrieved from
one of the lowest strata of the city and suggest that its
population may have had an admixture of Mongoloid blood
introduced, possibly, by newcomers from the North-West,
or perhaps from the Iranian Plateau where, during
excavations in Tepe Hissar, several very ancient Mongoloid
skulls were found (Mackay 1951:133).
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