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Me neither albeit something along Albanians north of Nish I did hear about but not about specifics. I mean I also have some ancestry from Albanians from Kotorr. There were also a bunch from that area that left for Kosovë and other places.First time reading about Smederevo, that's quite north. Would never guess that some of Muhaxhers were from there.
From what I can make of the rumors and what my gut feeling is telling me in the Balkans and further north they mostly tested sites from where we know that there is a lot of R1b-Z2103 (from Vucedol Slavonia to Bulgaria etc.) which is not really surprising since they have targeted early Yamnaya dispersals. That is their main interest. And they have also targeted a lot of TC BA culture sites and TC IA Celtic sites and these will mostly be R-L2 or 51+. We will essentially see how wide spread TC Celts perhaps were in that area. And we will also probably see Pannonian Neolithic like samples spread all over the area even in the Bronze Age and stuff like that. The overall sample size from the Balkans will not be too high however.Early Bronze Age Bulgarian samples will be revealed, the ones already leaked by Stamov 2 years ago, Neolithic-Chalcolithic Bulgaria G2a, and EBA Bulgaria with R1b, I2a and 1 J2a. And this will be claimed as Thracian by them.
As for Anatolia, West/North Anatolia after Bronze-Iron Age transition is more than welcome, and Iron-Classical Age Bulgaria, Greece.
Early Bronze Age Bulgarian samples will be revealed, the ones already leaked by Stamov 2 years ago, Neolithic-Chalcolithic Bulgaria G2a, and EBA Bulgaria with R1b, I2a and 1 J2a. And this will be claimed as Thracian by them.
As for Anatolia, West/North Anatolia after Bronze-Iron Age transition is more than welcome, and Iron-Classical Age Bulgaria, Greece.
Are they holding the Kapitan Andreevo samples back?
In one of them likely. Probably they separated the papers by chronology to summarize/deduce by context.
People are generally forgetting that the Balkan peninsula was very diverse in the LCA-EBA. Neolithic like samples from Slavonia etc. in both parental and autosomal DNA are proof of this (there was also evidence for dead end mesolithic markers such as under R1b-V88).Many keep up the "Thracian EBA" story, even though between the MBA to EIA one wave of newcomers settled there after another, leaving little common ground for any sort of larger scale continuity. It's just a paradigm which survived itself imho.
Many keep up the "Thracian EBA" story, even though between the MBA to EIA one wave of newcomers settled there after another, leaving little common ground for any sort of larger scale continuity. It's just a paradigm which survived itself imho.
depends who you think the thracians are ...................some state the Dacians and Getae are thracians and others say they are not
Well, E-V13 confirmed Thracian, it's all over Thrace, only 1 R1a in Kapitan Andreevo among E-V13'ers. It looks like Noua-Sabatinovaska and Gava/Wieteneberg from Carpathian Mountains formed Proto-Thracians.
No E-V13 in Iron Age Albania, 1 in Iron Age Croatia though.
Can you send the samples that way we can discuss them?
I took them from your link dude. J2b2-L283 and R1b is in Iron Age Albania, J2b2-L283 is in Montenegro as well.
I know that, I don't have the time to analyze all the sample, that is why I asked you.
Be patient then. I am analyzing. Lots of columns, i am horizontally scrolling.
Np, thanks.
Haplogroup E-V13(476) is an important Southeast European Y-chromosomal lineage, wellrepresented in present-day people of the Balkans.(467, 477-479) Its estimated TMRCA of 4,800is most consistent with the inference that this represents a Bronze Age expansion(478) ratherthan Paleolithic/Neolithic expansions as previously proposed. In the ancient data it is onlydetected (in the Southern Arc) in the Iron Age with four examples at Kapitan Andreevo inBulgaria (1100-500 BCE) and one from Sv Kriz in Croatia (I5724; 382-206 calBCE). Thesesamples also belong to downstream clades E-Z1057 and E-CTS1273 (with a TRMCA of 4,500years). Later examples are found in Late Antique and Medieval Spain(449) and Italy(436, 453),while we also find it in Hellenistic and Roman samples from Bulgaria and in a pair of brothers(500-700 CE) from Byzantine Nicaea in Turkey.Its absence in Bronze Age southeastern Europe (n=107) is in remarkable contrast with itsubiquity in the present day, leading us to hypothesize that either it did exist there prior to oursampling but in a specific region from which we have no samples or it arose elsewhere andmigrated to southeastern Europe just prior to the earliest sampled individuals. The parent node ofE-V13 is E-L618 which is called for an earlier sample from the Lengyel culture in Hungarywhich was ancestral for the V13 SNP (I1900 4797-4619 calBCE; E-L618(xE-BY64249,E-V13))and which has an estimated TMRCA of 7,800 years BP. Thus, the evidence appears consistentwith a scenario in which E-L618 Y-chromosomes entered Europe during the Neolithic and EV13 representing a remarkably successful lineage within this group that had not yet achievedprominence during the Bronze Age, but had begun to do so by the Iron Age.
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