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A genetic probe into the ancient and medieval history of Southern Europe and WestAsia

Lucidrooted said:
It is truly fascinating that what are meant to be the best of the best, top tier academics in the population genetics field, can base their already illogical theories on such weak foundations. But this is what must be done when those funding these studies have narratives to push! I am confronting Lazaridis on twitter right now, and he essentially just replied using the logic I'd expect a 4channer (or 4th grader) to use. I will tell anyone interested to check our little back and forth going on right now on there.
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On Twitter you should have argued without being offensive. Lazaridis is a nice person, not all geneticists spend their time replying on Twitter to everyone. In my opinion you wasted an opportunity. Many of us have doubts that everything they claim is correct, but we have to confront each other in a civilised manner and above all by demonstrating an understanding of what we are talking about in genetic terms.
 
Angela said:
So much for all the steppe in Mycenaeans which was bound to show up, and for there being a class structure with the elites having more steppe ancestry.

"The Griffin Warrior (8), the earliest individual (~1450 BCE) from the Palace of Nestor in Pylos, is genetically right in the middle of the general population of the Aegean and was thus plausibly of entirely local Aegean origin. He had no detectable Eastern European hunter-gatherer ancestry (compared with the average of 4.8 ± 1.1% for the rest of the Mycenaean-era individuals sampled at the Palace; Fig. 1H). This finding could be consistent with a Cretan origin of this individual or his ancestors; alternatively, he could be drawn from a mainland population that had not experienced Eastern European hunter-gatherer admixture, as could two later individuals from Pylos—one buried near the Palace in a chamber tomb and another in a cist grave. Variation in Eastern European hunter-gatherer ancestry is observed at short geographical distance scales and within the same time periods: We observe that four individuals (~1450 BCE) of the sample from Attica buried at Kolikrepi-Spata had only 2 ± 1% Eastern European hunter-gatherer ancestry that was significantly less (by more than two standard errors) than that of individuals from the neighboring island of Salamis and all sampling locations in the Peloponnese. This suggests that the classical Athenian claim (e.g., Plat. Menex. 237b) of having received fewer migrants than other Greek poleis in the remote past may have had an element of truth, although larger sample sizes will be necessary to definitively establish such geographic patterns."

"This is also attested in the male line, for example, by a Y chromosome match of the rare R-PF7562 haplogroup between a pair of patrilineal relatives from the Palace of Nestor, which links Late Bronze Age Mycenaean Greece with an Early Bronze Age individual of the North Caucasus at Lysogorskyja that is genetically similar to the Yamnaya (14). This patrilineal connection to the Yamnaya should not be interpreted as a general association of steppe ancestry with elite burial status, as the common people, making up most of our Mycenaean-era individuals, also had steppe ancestry, whereas some members of the elite (such as the Griffin Warrior) did not have significant evidence of it.
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Hi Angela. Could you please help me out? Do you know whether the Mycenaean samples in this study are from the 2017 Lazaridis paper or brand-new ones? I'm not sure about that.
 
real expert said:
Hi Angela. Could you please help me out? Do you know whether the Mycenaean samples in this study are from the 2017 Lazaridis paper or brand-new ones? I'm not sure about that.
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There are more than 20 brand-new Mycenaeans.

Below you can view their distances to other samples already published and/or from the same study.

Distance to: GRC_Mycenaean_Lokris_BA:I6420_d
3.01496269 ISR_MBA:I6924
4.39772669 ISR_ChL:I1169
9.23092628 ISR_ChL:I0644
9.26390846 ISR_ChL:I1152
10.37063161 ISR_ChL:I1184
10.39471019 ISR_ChL:I1170
10.74941859 ISR_Canaanite_MLBA:I10092
11.03539759 ISR_MBA:I7003
11.40789201 ISR_ChL:I1181_published
11.78006791 TUR_Marmara_Apollonia_Rom:I16583

Distance to: GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15582
4.55411901 ISR_Ashkelon_IA_A:ASH067
4.94974747 GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15571
5.29716906 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I19366
5.32353266 TUR_Marmara_İznik_Y.kapı_Byz:I14842
5.42770670 TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc_father.or.son. I20224:I20225
5.63560112 BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_IA:I5769
6.09918027 GRC_Mycenaean_Galatas_BA:I9041
6.31268564 GRC_Palace_of_Nestor_EIA:I19368
6.74536878 TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc:I20257
7.32871066 TUR_Marmara_Ilıpınar_ChL:I10547

Distance to: GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13519_d
3.50285598 TUR_C_Çatalhöyük_N:cth728.SG
4.92848861 TUR_C_Tepecik-Çiftlik_N:Tep004.SG
6.47688197 TUR_C_Çatalhöyük_N:cth747.SG
6.51536645 TUR_C_Çatalhöyük_N:CCH311.SG
9.48419738 HRV_Vinkovci_MN:I7538
9.68194195 GRC_Minoan_Odigitria_BA:I9128
9.80204060 TUR_C_Çatalhöyük_N:CCH294.SG
9.90807751 TUR_Aegean_Izmir_Yassitepe_MBA:I5737
11.61636776 TUR_C_Çatalhöyük_Nch034.SG
11.69230516 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA_father.or.son.I1 3518:I13506_d

Distance to: GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I14872
3.56931366 SRB_N:I0634
3.60832371 GRC_Peloponnese_N:I3708
3.92937654 TUR_C_AşıklıHöyük_PPN:Ash136.SG
4.46989933 BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_N:I11135
4.71062629 BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_N:I11270
5.04182507 ROU_Bodrogkeresztur_ChL:I20809
5.08133841 GRC_North_N:Klei10.SG
5.47265932 BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_N:I2521
5.48361195 BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_EBA:I2510
6.11228272 GRC_North_N:Rev5.SG

Distance to: GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15571
3.00665928 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I19366
3.68510515 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13579
4.20713679 GRC_Mycenaean_Galatas_BA:I9041
4.94974747 GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15582
5.53714728 TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc:I20257
5.57135531 TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc_father.or.son. I20224:I20225
5.60892146 TUR_Marmara_İznik_Y.kapı_Byz:I14842
6.77864293 GRC_Palace_of_Nestor_EIA:I19368
6.80734897 BGR_Anc:I19500
7.05620294 GRC_Mycenaean_Galatas_BA:I9010

Distance to: GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I16709
3.78153408 TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc:I20232
3.82230297 GRC_Kastrouli_Anc:I17959
4.19404340 GRC_Minoan_Lasithi_BA:I0074
4.89795876 GRC_Koufonisi_Cycladic_EBA:Kou03.SG
5.18844871 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13516
5.54977477 BGR_Diamandievo_IA:I19481
5.80517011 TUR_C_ÇamlıbelTarlası_ChL:CBT005
6.06794858 TUR_Marmara_Ilıpınar_ChL:I10542
6.44204936 GRC_Kastrouli_Anc:I17962
7.27048829 TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc_sister.I20229: I20226

Distance to: GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13516
4.84767986 GRC_Minoan_Lasithi_BA:I0071
4.93862329 GRC_Minoan_Lasithi_BA:I0074
5.00399840 GRC_Minoan_Lasithi_BA:I9005
5.18844871 GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I16709
5.62494444 GRC_Kastrouli_Anc:I17962
5.99833310 TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc:I20232
6.01082357 BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20184
6.12127438 GRC_Koufonisi_Cycladic_EBA:Kou03.SG
6.44825558 GRC_Minoan_Odigitria_BA:I9129
6.99070812 GRC_Minoan_Kephala_Petras:Pta08.SG

Distance to: GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13510
0.88881944 TUR_C_ÇamlıbelTarlası_ChL:CBT003
3.57071421 TUR_BlackSea_İkiztepe_ChL:IKI017
5.13322511 TUR_Med_Isparta_BA:I2495_all
5.55607775 TUR_C_Büyükkaya_ChL:CBT018
5.97243669 TUR_C_ÇamlıbelTarlası_ChL:CBT016
6.57495247 TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc:I20230
6.72383819 TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc_father.or.son. I20224:I20225
6.83081254 TUR_Marmara_Ilıpınar_ChL:I10547
7.04201676 TUR_Med_Isparta_BA:I2499_all
7.10563157 TUR_Marmara_Kumtepe_N:kum6.SG

Distance to: GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13517_d
3.78021163 TUR_Marmara_İznik_Basilica_RomByz_A:I8366
4.50777107 TUR_Marmara_Apollonia_Rom:I14845
4.93659802 TUR_Marmara_Ilıpınar_ChL:I10543
5.00399840 TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc:I20233
5.60713831 TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc:I20257
6.05557594 TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc:I20224
6.54217089 TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc_sister.I20229: I20226
6.66183158 TUR_Marmara_İznik_Basilica_RomByz_A_brother.I8366 :I8367
7.24844811 TUR_Marmara_İznik_Y.kapı_Byz:I14842
7.27323862 TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc_father.or.son. I20224:I20225

Distance to: GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I19366
3.00665928 GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15571
4.76025209 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13579
5.22781025 GRC_Mycenaean_Galatas_BA:I9010
5.29716906 GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15582
6.02577796 TUR_Marmara_Ilıpınar_ChL:I10547
6.04317797 TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc:I20257
6.24819974 TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc_father.or.son. I20224:I20225
6.55438784 TUR_Marmara_İznik_Y.kapı_Byz:I14842
6.62721661 GRC_Mycenaean_Galatas_BA:I9041
6.71267458 BGR_Anc:I19500

Distance to: GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13578
4.25558457 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13514
4.62168800 BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20185
4.87031826 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13518
5.69649015 BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20186
5.76107629 BGR_Stambolovo_IA:I15844
6.29046898 BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20180
6.42183774 ISR_Ashkelon_IA_A:ASH068
6.72978454 MKD_Anc:I7233
7.00713922 BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20184
7.03917609 MKD_BA:I7231

Distance to: GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13428
6.11391855 BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_IA:I5769
8.03616824 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13579
8.17496177 MKD_Anc:I10390
8.49470423 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13577
8.88988189 GRC_Palace_of_Nestor_EIA:I19368
9.35841867 ISR_Ashkelon_IA_A:ASH067
9.37549999 GRC_Mycenaean_Peristeria_BA:I9033
9.63068014 ISR_Ashkelon_IA_A:ASH068
9.72162538 GRC_Mycenaean_Galatas_BA:I9010
9.85697722 BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20183

Distance to: GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13579
3.68510515 GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15571
4.36233882 ISR_Ashkelon_IA_A:ASH068
4.76025209 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I19366
6.04648658 GRC_Mycenaean_Galatas_BA:I9041
6.17818744 GRC_Mycenaean_Galatas_BA:I9010
7.54320887 GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15582
7.96617851 BGR_Anc:I19500
7.98623816 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13577
8.03616824 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13428
8.08331615 BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_IA:I5769

Distance to: GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13577
3.16069613 GRC_Mycenaean_Galatas_BA:I9010
4.60217340 BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20183
5.77234788 BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_IA:I5769
7.39053449 ITA_Sicily_LBA:I3876
7.47930478 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA_father.or.son.I1 3518:I13506_d
7.56835517 BGR_RomByz:I18792
7.79615290 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I19366
7.95298686 ISR_Ashkelon_IA_A:ASH068
7.98623816 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13579
8.27284715 GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15582

Distance to: GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13531
7.97057087 ITA_Etruscan:TAQ007
9.07413908 TUR_C_ÇamlıbelTarlası_ChL:CBT001
10.09851474 TUR_SE_Kilis_ChL:I14793
10.69719589 TUR_C_Gordion_Anc:I4030_all
10.72520396 TUR_Marmara_Ilıpınar_Byz2:I10546
10.97907100 ITA_Etruscan:VET008
11.79618582 TUR_E_Arslantepe_ChL:ART038
11.86338906 GRC_Mycenaean_Salamis_BA:I9006
12.02455820 TUR_Aegean_Bodrum_Halikarnassos_Anc1:I3311
12.07683733 ALB_PostMdv:I14686

Distance to: GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13433
3.64280112 GRC_Minoan_Odigitria_BA:I9130
5.50454358 GRC_Peloponnese_N:I3920
7.41889480 GRC_Minoan_Lasithi_BA:I0070
7.67202711 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I19364
7.88035532 GRC_Manika_Helladic_EBA:Mik15.SG
8.28673639 GRC_North_N:Pal7.SG
8.62670273 GRC_Minoan_Lasithi_BA:I0071
8.91291198 HRV_Vinkovci_MN:I7538
9.10768906 GRC_Minoan_Kephala_Petras:Pta08.SG
9.19891298 BGR_Krepost_N:I0679_d

Distance to: GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13580
6.50999232 ISR_Canaanite_MLBA:I4519
6.70074623 TUR_Hatay_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA029
6.97853853 TUR_Hatay_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA017
7.38444311 JOR_LBA:I6464
7.40135123 ISR_Canaanite_MLBA:I4525
7.43505212 ISR_Canaanite_MLBA:I10104
7.44043010 TUR_SE_Kilis_EBA_A:I16580
7.72398861 JOR_LBA_sibling.I3707:I6461
7.74080099 LBN_Rom:QED-12.SG
7.96806124 JOR_LBA:I6570

Distance to: GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13514
3.91152144 BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I19493
4.25558457 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13578
4.51220567 BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20180
7.32939288 BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20186
7.71686465 BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I19497
7.81216999 BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20185
7.94543894 ISR_Ashkelon_IA_A:ASH068
8.10123447 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13518
8.23528992 MKD_Anc:I10381
8.38093074 BGR_Stambolovo_IA:I15844

Distance to: GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13532
5.03785669 BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20180
5.40555270 ITA_Sicily_LBA:I3876
7.05620294 ROU_Bodrogkeresztur_ChL:I15623
7.38241153 BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I19493
7.81792811 ITA_Sicily_LBA:I10372
8.14861951 BGR_Varna_Eneol2:ANI159-ANI181
8.89044431 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13514
9.17333091 ISR_Ashkelon_IA_A:ASH068
9.37336652 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13577
9.83869910 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I19364

Distance to: GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13518
2.22261108 BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20185
4.87031826 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13578
5.31883446 BGR_Stambolovo_IA:I15844
5.83695126 MKD_Anc:I7233
6.11146464 BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20181
6.19273768 BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20186
6.29444199 BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20184
6.75795827 GRC_Kastrouli_Anc:I17962
7.51731335 GRC_Minoan_Odigitria_BA:I9129
7.55380699 BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I19497

Distance to: GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA_father.or.son.I1 3518:I13506_d
5.29339211 TUR_Aegean_Izmir_Yassitepe_MBA:I5737
5.78446195 GRC_Mycenaean_Peristeria_BA:I9033
7.23463890 BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_IA:I5769
7.36885337 ISR_Ashkelon_IA_A:ASH067
7.47930478 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13577
8.11295261 GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15582
9.05372851 GRC_Mycenaean_Galatas_BA:I9010
9.45409964 BGR_RomByz:I18792
9.80510071 HRV_Vinkovci_MN:I7538
9.83259884 ITA_Etruscan:TAQ007

Distance to: GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I19364
4.73392015 ROU_Bodrogkeresztur_ChL:I15623
4.75289386 GRC_North_N:Pal7.SG
6.46683849 BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I19493
7.25327512 GRC_Minoan_Odigitria_BA:I9130
7.30889869 HRV_GornjaVrba_MN:I18827
7.67202711 GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13433
8.13019065 BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20180
8.26740588 GRC_Minoan_Odigitria_BA:I9131
8.73384222 GRC_Peloponnese_N:I2318
8.82609767 TUR_C_Tepecik-Çiftlik_N:Tep006.SG
 
Er Monnezza said:
There are more than 20 brand-new Mycenaeans.

Below you can view their distances to other samples already published and/or from the same study.

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]GRC_Mycenaean_Lokris_BA:I6420_d[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.01496269[/TD]
[TD]ISR_MBA:I6924[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.39772669[/TD]
[TD]ISR_ChL:I1169[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.23092628[/TD]
[TD]ISR_ChL:I0644[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.26390846[/TD]
[TD]ISR_ChL:I1152[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.37063161[/TD]
[TD]ISR_ChL:I1184[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.39471019[/TD]
[TD]ISR_ChL:I1170[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.74941859[/TD]
[TD]ISR_Canaanite_MLBA:I10092[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.03539759[/TD]
[TD]ISR_MBA:I7003[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.40789201[/TD]
[TD]ISR_ChL:I1181_published[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.78006791[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Marmara_Apollonia_Rom:I16583[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15582[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.55411901[/TD]
[TD]ISR_Ashkelon_IA_A:ASH067[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.94974747[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15571[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.29716906[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I19366[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.32353266[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Marmara_İznik_Y.kapı_Byz:I14842[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.42770670[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc_father.or.son.I20224:I20225[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.63560112[/TD]
[TD]BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_IA:I5769[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.09918027[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Galatas_BA:I9041[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.31268564[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Palace_of_Nestor_EIA:I19368[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.74536878[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc:I20257[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.32871066[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Marmara_Ilıpınar_ChL:I10547[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13519_d[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.50285598[/TD]
[TD]TUR_C_Çatalhöyük_N:cth728.SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.92848861[/TD]
[TD]TUR_C_Tepecik-Çiftlik_N:Tep004.SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.47688197[/TD]
[TD]TUR_C_Çatalhöyük_N:cth747.SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.51536645[/TD]
[TD]TUR_C_Çatalhöyük_N:CCH311.SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.48419738[/TD]
[TD]HRV_Vinkovci_MN:I7538[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.68194195[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Minoan_Odigitria_BA:I9128[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.80204060[/TD]
[TD]TUR_C_Çatalhöyük_N:CCH294.SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.90807751[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Aegean_Izmir_Yassitepe_MBA:I5737[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.61636776[/TD]
[TD]TUR_C_Çatalhöyük_N:pch034.SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.69230516[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA_father.or.son.I13518:I13506_d[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I14872[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.56931366[/TD]
[TD]SRB_N:I0634[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.60832371[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Peloponnese_N:I3708[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.92937654[/TD]
[TD]TUR_C_AşıklıHöyük_PPN:Ash136.SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.46989933[/TD]
[TD]BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_N:I11135[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.71062629[/TD]
[TD]BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_N:I11270[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.04182507[/TD]
[TD]ROU_Bodrogkeresztur_ChL:I20809[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.08133841[/TD]
[TD]GRC_North_N:Klei10.SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.47265932[/TD]
[TD]BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_N:I2521[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.48361195[/TD]
[TD]BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_EBA:I2510[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.11228272[/TD]
[TD]GRC_North_N:Rev5.SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15571[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.00665928[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I19366[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.68510515[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13579[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.20713679[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Galatas_BA:I9041[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.94974747[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15582[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.53714728[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc:I20257[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.57135531[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc_father.or.son.I20224:I20225[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.60892146[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Marmara_İznik_Y.kapı_Byz:I14842[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.77864293[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Palace_of_Nestor_EIA:I19368[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.80734897[/TD]
[TD]BGR_Anc:I19500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.05620294[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Galatas_BA:I9010[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I16709[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.78153408[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc:I20232[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.82230297[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Kastrouli_Anc:I17959[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.19404340[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Minoan_Lasithi_BA:I0074[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.89795876[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Koufonisi_Cycladic_EBA:Kou03.SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.18844871[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13516[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.54977477[/TD]
[TD]BGR_Diamandievo_IA:I19481[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.80517011[/TD]
[TD]TUR_C_ÇamlıbelTarlası_ChL:CBT005[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.06794858[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Marmara_Ilıpınar_ChL:I10542[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.44204936[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Kastrouli_Anc:I17962[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.27048829[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc_sister.I20229:I20226[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13516[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.84767986[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Minoan_Lasithi_BA:I0071[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.93862329[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Minoan_Lasithi_BA:I0074[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.00399840[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Minoan_Lasithi_BA:I9005[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.18844871[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I16709[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.62494444[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Kastrouli_Anc:I17962[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.99833310[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc:I20232[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.01082357[/TD]
[TD]BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20184[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.12127438[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Koufonisi_Cycladic_EBA:Kou03.SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.44825558[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Minoan_Odigitria_BA:I9129[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.99070812[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Minoan_Kephala_Petras:Pta08.SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13510[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]0.88881944[/TD]
[TD]TUR_C_ÇamlıbelTarlası_ChL:CBT003[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.57071421[/TD]
[TD]TUR_BlackSea_İkiztepe_ChL:IKI017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.13322511[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Med_Isparta_BA:I2495_all[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.55607775[/TD]
[TD]TUR_C_Büyükkaya_ChL:CBT018[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.97243669[/TD]
[TD]TUR_C_ÇamlıbelTarlası_ChL:CBT016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.57495247[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc:I20230[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.72383819[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc_father.or.son.I20224:I20225[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.83081254[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Marmara_Ilıpınar_ChL:I10547[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.04201676[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Med_Isparta_BA:I2499_all[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.10563157[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Marmara_Kumtepe_N:kum6.SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13517_d[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.78021163[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Marmara_İznik_Basilica_RomByz_A:I8366[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.50777107[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Marmara_Apollonia_Rom:I14845[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.93659802[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Marmara_Ilıpınar_ChL:I10543[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.00399840[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc:I20233[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.60713831[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc:I20257[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.05557594[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc:I20224[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.54217089[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc_sister.I20229:I20226[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.66183158[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Marmara_İznik_Basilica_RomByz_A_brother.I8366:I8367[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.24844811[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Marmara_İznik_Y.kapı_Byz:I14842[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.27323862[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc_father.or.son.I20224:I20225[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I19366[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.00665928[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15571[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.76025209[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13579[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.22781025[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Galatas_BA:I9010[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.29716906[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15582[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.02577796[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Marmara_Ilıpınar_ChL:I10547[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.04317797[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc:I20257[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.24819974[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Değirmendere_Anc_father.or.son.I20224:I20225[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.55438784[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Marmara_İznik_Y.kapı_Byz:I14842[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.62721661[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Galatas_BA:I9041[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.71267458[/TD]
[TD]BGR_Anc:I19500[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13578[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.25558457[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13514[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.62168800[/TD]
[TD]BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20185[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.87031826[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13518[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.69649015[/TD]
[TD]BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20186[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.76107629[/TD]
[TD]BGR_Stambolovo_IA:I15844[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.29046898[/TD]
[TD]BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20180[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.42183774[/TD]
[TD]ISR_Ashkelon_IA_A:ASH068[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.72978454[/TD]
[TD]MKD_Anc:I7233[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.00713922[/TD]
[TD]BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20184[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.03917609[/TD]
[TD]MKD_BA:I7231[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13428[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.11391855[/TD]
[TD]BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_IA:I5769[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.03616824[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13579[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.17496177[/TD]
[TD]MKD_Anc:I10390[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.49470423[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13577[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.88988189[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Palace_of_Nestor_EIA:I19368[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.35841867[/TD]
[TD]ISR_Ashkelon_IA_A:ASH067[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.37549999[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Peristeria_BA:I9033[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.63068014[/TD]
[TD]ISR_Ashkelon_IA_A:ASH068[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.72162538[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Galatas_BA:I9010[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.85697722[/TD]
[TD]BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20183[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13579[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.68510515[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15571[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.36233882[/TD]
[TD]ISR_Ashkelon_IA_A:ASH068[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.76025209[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I19366[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.04648658[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Galatas_BA:I9041[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.17818744[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Galatas_BA:I9010[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.54320887[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15582[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.96617851[/TD]
[TD]BGR_Anc:I19500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.98623816[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13577[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.03616824[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13428[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.08331615[/TD]
[TD]BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_IA:I5769[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13577[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.16069613[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Galatas_BA:I9010[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.60217340[/TD]
[TD]BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20183[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.77234788[/TD]
[TD]BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_IA:I5769[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.39053449[/TD]
[TD]ITA_Sicily_LBA:I3876[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.47930478[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA_father.or.son.I13518:I13506_d[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.56835517[/TD]
[TD]BGR_RomByz:I18792[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.79615290[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I19366[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.95298686[/TD]
[TD]ISR_Ashkelon_IA_A:ASH068[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.98623816[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13579[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.27284715[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15582[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13531[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.97057087[/TD]
[TD]ITA_Etruscan:TAQ007[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.07413908[/TD]
[TD]TUR_C_ÇamlıbelTarlası_ChL:CBT001[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.09851474[/TD]
[TD]TUR_SE_Kilis_ChL:I14793[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.69719589[/TD]
[TD]TUR_C_Gordion_Anc:I4030_all[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.72520396[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Marmara_Ilıpınar_Byz2:I10546[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.97907100[/TD]
[TD]ITA_Etruscan:VET008[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.79618582[/TD]
[TD]TUR_E_Arslantepe_ChL:ART038[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11.86338906[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Salamis_BA:I9006[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.02455820[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Aegean_Bodrum_Halikarnassos_Anc1:I3311[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12.07683733[/TD]
[TD]ALB_PostMdv:I14686[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13433[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.64280112[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Minoan_Odigitria_BA:I9130[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.50454358[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Peloponnese_N:I3920[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.41889480[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Minoan_Lasithi_BA:I0070[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.67202711[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I19364[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.88035532[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Manika_Helladic_EBA:Mik15.SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.28673639[/TD]
[TD]GRC_North_N:Pal7.SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.62670273[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Minoan_Lasithi_BA:I0071[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.91291198[/TD]
[TD]HRV_Vinkovci_MN:I7538[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.10768906[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Minoan_Kephala_Petras:Pta08.SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.19891298[/TD]
[TD]BGR_Krepost_N:I0679_d[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13580[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.50999232[/TD]
[TD]ISR_Canaanite_MLBA:I4519[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.70074623[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Hatay_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA029[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.97853853[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Hatay_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.38444311[/TD]
[TD]JOR_LBA:I6464[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.40135123[/TD]
[TD]ISR_Canaanite_MLBA:I4525[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.43505212[/TD]
[TD]ISR_Canaanite_MLBA:I10104[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.44043010[/TD]
[TD]TUR_SE_Kilis_EBA_A:I16580[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.72398861[/TD]
[TD]JOR_LBA_sibling.I3707:I6461[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.74080099[/TD]
[TD]LBN_Rom:QED-12.SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.96806124[/TD]
[TD]JOR_LBA:I6570[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13514[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.91152144[/TD]
[TD]BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I19493[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.25558457[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13578[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.51220567[/TD]
[TD]BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20180[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.32939288[/TD]
[TD]BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20186[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.71686465[/TD]
[TD]BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I19497[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.81216999[/TD]
[TD]BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20185[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.94543894[/TD]
[TD]ISR_Ashkelon_IA_A:ASH068[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.10123447[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13518[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.23528992[/TD]
[TD]MKD_Anc:I10381[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.38093074[/TD]
[TD]BGR_Stambolovo_IA:I15844[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13532[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.03785669[/TD]
[TD]BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20180[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.40555270[/TD]
[TD]ITA_Sicily_LBA:I3876[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.05620294[/TD]
[TD]ROU_Bodrogkeresztur_ChL:I15623[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.38241153[/TD]
[TD]BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I19493[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.81792811[/TD]
[TD]ITA_Sicily_LBA:I10372[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.14861951[/TD]
[TD]BGR_Varna_Eneol2:ANI159-ANI181[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.89044431[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13514[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.17333091[/TD]
[TD]ISR_Ashkelon_IA_A:ASH068[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.37336652[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13577[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.83869910[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I19364[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13518[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2.22261108[/TD]
[TD]BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20185[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.87031826[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13578[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.31883446[/TD]
[TD]BGR_Stambolovo_IA:I15844[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.83695126[/TD]
[TD]MKD_Anc:I7233[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.11146464[/TD]
[TD]BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20181[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.19273768[/TD]
[TD]BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20186[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.29444199[/TD]
[TD]BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20184[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.75795827[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Kastrouli_Anc:I17962[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.51731335[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Minoan_Odigitria_BA:I9129[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.55380699[/TD]
[TD]BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I19497[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA_father.or.son.I13518:I13506_d[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.29339211[/TD]
[TD]TUR_Aegean_Izmir_Yassitepe_MBA:I5737[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.78446195[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Peristeria_BA:I9033[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.23463890[/TD]
[TD]BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_IA:I5769[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.36885337[/TD]
[TD]ISR_Ashkelon_IA_A:ASH067[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.47930478[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13577[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.11295261[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15582[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.05372851[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Galatas_BA:I9010[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.45409964[/TD]
[TD]BGR_RomByz:I18792[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.80510071[/TD]
[TD]HRV_Vinkovci_MN:I7538[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.83259884[/TD]
[TD]ITA_Etruscan:TAQ007[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I19364[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.73392015[/TD]
[TD]ROU_Bodrogkeresztur_ChL:I15623[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.75289386[/TD]
[TD]GRC_North_N:Pal7.SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.46683849[/TD]
[TD]BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I19493[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.25327512[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Minoan_Odigitria_BA:I9130[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.30889869[/TD]
[TD]HRV_GornjaVrba_MN:I18827[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.67202711[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13433[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.13019065[/TD]
[TD]BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20180[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.26740588[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Minoan_Odigitria_BA:I9131[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.73384222[/TD]
[TD]GRC_Peloponnese_N:I2318[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.82609767[/TD]
[TD]TUR_C_Tepecik-Çiftlik_N:Tep006.SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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Can you run the Albanian ones?
 
ihype02 said:
Can you run the Albanian ones?
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Samples run are dated between 1050 and 476 BC (distances are based on models done in the paper itself).

Distance to: ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I14690
2.28035085 HRV_BA:I5074
3.38673884 HRV_BA:I5080
3.58050276 HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18729
3.68646172 MNE_LBA:I13171
3.74299345 MNE_LBA:I13778
4.17971291 MKD_Anc:I10378
4.62925480 ALB_PostMdv:I14685
4.92645917 MKD_Anc:I10382
4.99399640 MKD_Anc:I10166
5.29339211 GRC_Logkas_MBA:Log02.SG

Distance to: ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I14692
3.81444622 MNE_LBA:I13169
3.96232255 HUN_EBA_BellBeaker:I4131
4.47995536 HRV_BA:I18712
4.72122865 HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18738
5.44793539 HRV_Cetina_BA:I18746
5.52449093 ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I16256
5.55337735 ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I16251
5.80000000 MNE_LBA:I13172
5.84893153 HRV_BA:I18748
5.85405842 DEU_BellBeaker_Lech:UNTA58_68Sk1

Distance to: ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I16251
1.99499373 HRV_Cetina_BA:I11843
3.48425028 MKD_Anc:I8112
5.55337735 ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I14692
5.55967625 ALB_PostMdv:I14685
5.95902677 HRV_Cetina_BA:I19029
6.31426955 HRV_BA:I18712
6.63324958 HRV_Cetina_BA:I18746
7.06894617 HRV_Anc:I18831
7.18888030 HUN_EBA_BellBeaker:I4131
7.28285658 ALB_MBA:I8471

Distance to: ALB_Çinamak_Anc_1d.rel.I16256:I17633
3.40147027 MNE_LBA:I13168
3.58050276 DEU_BellBeaker_Lech:UNTA58_68Sk1
3.79605058 HRV_Cetina_BA:I19017
4.01621713 MNE_LBA:I13167
4.43283205 MNE_LBA:I14500
4.48776113 HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18078
4.55631430 MNE_LBA:I14501
4.70425339 MNE_LBA:I13172
4.98196748 HRV_Cetina_BA:I18088
5.30754180 HRV_Cetina_BA:I18752

Distance to: ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I16256
2.24276615 HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18738
3.40000000 HRV_Cetina_BA:I18752
3.69188299 HRV_BA:I5073
3.97366330 MNE_LBA:I13169
4.77807493 HRV_BA:I18712
5.19133894 DEU_BellBeaker:I4124
5.28204506 SRB_BA:I16803
5.34322000 HRV_BA:I18748
5.51815186 CZE_Bell_Beaker:I4885
5.52449093 ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I14692

Distance to: ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I16254
4.73708771 ITA_Etruscan:TAQ015
5.36190265 ITA_Etruscan:TAQ008
6.08440630 ITA_Etruscan:TAQ024
6.33876960 ITA_Etruscan:TAQ002
6.94550214 HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18413
7.32325064 ITA_Etruscan:VET001
7.46592258 ITA_Etruscan:CSN004
7.53989390 HRV_Cetina_BA:I11843
7.62758153 HRV_BA:I18712
7.64395186 ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I16251

Distance to: ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I14688
4.87442304 MKD_Anc:I10389
5.29905652 MNE_LBA:I14501
5.67274184 HRV_BA:I18748
5.83523778 ALB_PostMdv:I14687
6.45832796 MNE_LBA:I14500
7.07742891 MKD_Anc:I10387
7.39864853 MNE_LBA_mother.or.sister.I13169.I13777:I13776
7.44446103 HRV_Cetina_BA:I19021
7.69805170 HRV_IA:I3313
7.73692445 MNE_LBA_1d.rel_I14500:I14497

Distance to: ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I16253
3.87685439 MKD_Anc:I10384
4.00998753 MKD_Anc:I10388
4.72969344 TUR_C_Kalehöyük_IA:MA2197_final.SG
6.31585307 CZE_Bell_Beaker:I4890
7.13722635 HRV_Bezdanjača_BA:I18727
7.35866836 MKD_Anc:I10377
7.44177398 HRV_BA:I4332
7.52728371 MNE_LBA_brother.I13169_son.or.brother.I13776:I13777
8.11356888 HRV_Cetina_BA:I19017
8.22739327 ALB_Mdv:I13834
 
Kuivamaa said:
Greek historians have long postulated that part of his paternal lineage was indeed at least partly Carian (maternal being Greek), judging by the names of his known family members. So he seemingly did speak from personal experience.
As for the admixture model, this is the reason why I insist Phrygians should also be studied. Judging by the similarity of the their language to Greek there is a good chance they split from them not long before Myceneans appeared in the scene. While a steppe/Minoan model is very plausible it does make you scratch your head a bit that while Minoans came through Anatolia, the quite similar Myceneans took the scenic route. Phrygians lived in a rather central part of Anatolia in comparison.
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That isn't my understanding of what the authors assert, but rather that both the Minoans and the Mycenaeans were local people of mainly European farmer/Anatolian farmer descent who received input from Anatolia, but that when the steppe people arrived, the Mycenaeans just received more of the steppe element, although it certainly can't be considered a significant amount.
 
real expert said:
Hi Angela. Could you please help me out? Do you know whether the Mycenaean samples in this study are from the 2017 Lazaridis paper or brand-new ones? I'm not sure about that.
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My pleasure:

"[FONT=&quot]From mainland contexts, we report the first Mycenaean data from Central Greece—that is, the previously unsampled region north of the Isthmus of Corinth—including Attica, Kastrouli near Delphi in Phokis, and Lokris in Phthiotis. South of the Isthmus in the Peloponnese, we report data from many individuals from the “Palace of Nestor” at Pylos and its environs, including the elite “Griffin Warrior,” a young (30 to 35 years old) male buried in a large stone-built tomb with hundreds of precious artifacts, many of them made in Minoan Crete."[/FONT]
 
real expert said:
Hi Angela. Could you please help me out? Do you know whether the Mycenaean samples in this study are from the 2017 Lazaridis paper or brand-new ones? I'm not sure about that.
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There are I think 24 new Mycenean samples in this paper. The admixture models are presented in Supplement 1 for the Myceneans (page 238). 5 Source populations Tur_Marmara_Barcin_Neolithic 53.7% plus/minus 4% + CHG 21% plus/minus 2.2% +Levant PPN 19.5% plus/minus 4.1% + EHG 4.9% plus/minus 0.9% + SRB_Iron Gates HG 0.8% plus/minus 0.5%

So if you take the 4 Myceneans from the Lazaridis et al 2017 paper, there are now 28 samples.

The borrow from the American 1950's American group the Everly Brothers, to Dream, Dream, Dream, that the Myceneans were heavy Steppe, and more particularly, Corded Ware types with predominate EHG is no longer even plausible given we have 28 samples. I alluded, citing the Raveane 2019 paper on Italians that the Southern Flank of the Yamnaya-cultural expansion may have been tilted more CHG relative to EHG in a post earlier this week in the modern Greek and Italians thread (I think it was) or the Southern Arc thread before the paper came out. Yes, there is additional CHG/Iran NEO inflow to Sicily and Southern Italy and Central as well (Antonio et al 2019 Roman paper) but in the Raveane et al 2019 paper (Figure 2) puts about 25-28% combined CHG+EHG+Iran_NEO ancestry in Sicily and Southern Italy. So taking out the additional CHG+Iran_NEO ancestry, a population titled more with CHG+Iran_NEO relative to EHG seems to possibly be related to the spread of IE in Sicily and Southern Italy as well.

In the new paper, Lazaradis point out that the Yamnaya early samples, from Jones et al 2015 I think, were close to 50/50 EHG/CHG. The Bell Beakers were close to this and the Corded Ware harbored about 3.1% more EHG. In the Raveane et al 2019 paper, they suggested Bell Beaker types brought in IE to Northern Italy. The Fernandes et al 2020 paper used Yamnaya to maximize the Steppe into Sicily. But, Bell Beakers, likely from Spain, were also present in Sicily so early Steppe in Sicily could also be related to Bell Beakers/culture migration into Sicily as well.

So the Bell Beakers were close to 50/50 CHG/EHG, the Corded Ware more tilted with EHG so 53/47, but in SE Europe, the Steppe migration consisted of people with > CHG ancestry relative to EHG


From the paper (page 378)

"This is not the case for SoutheasternEurope, where Bronze Age individuals hadan excess of Caucasus over Eastern huntergatherer ancestry not only in the Aegean (~17%in both Minoans and Mycenaeans)"
 
Angela said:
That isn't my understanding of what the authors assert, but rather that both the Minoans and the Mycenaeans were local people of mainly European farmer/Anatolian farmer descent who received input from Anatolia, but that when the steppe people arrived, the Mycenaeans just received more of the steppe element, although it certainly can't be considered a significant amount.
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That’s definitely plausible, since Minoans were basically islanders (Crete and Thira being their main homelands) and could shield themselves from steppe incursions (a chariot won’t help you island hop).Perhaps pre-Hellenic mainlanders were cousins of Minoans, just not as advanced, who received small steppe input and eventually changed language. Once again it would be very interesting to see if Phrygians mirrored this.
 
R1b-Z2103 in Mycenaeans, so it's settled Greek and Armenian are from Yamnaya, not Corded ware derived, even though steppe ancestry is really low. This proves that Yamnaya was at least LPIE (Late Proto-Indoeuropean). What about Albanian?
 
Francesco said:
I don't think Lazaridis is implying that Italians descend from that slave population, nor that there wasn't a local resurgence after the collapse of the Roman civilization: he's just saying that the majority of the people who are labeled as Imperial romans (who were for the most part slaves) are from anatolian descent. Wich is, at least, more plausible than the theory of them being the descendants of a mixed italic-levantine population.
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I agree. He makes a particular point that slaves would not leave many descendants behind.

I still, however, have questions which I'll take this opportunity to address to all our members.

This is the pertinent excerpt from the paper:

"[FONT=&quot]Unexpectedly, the ancestry of the sample of people whose genomes were analyzed who lived around Rome in the Imperial period was almost identical to that of Roman and Byzantine individuals from Anatolia in both their mean ([/FONT]Fig. 3A[FONT=&quot]) and pattern of variation ([/FONT]Fig. 3B[FONT=&quot])".

[/FONT]I read that as meaning they compared the Antonio et al Imperial Roman samples to Imperial Era (and Byzantine Era) Anatolians.

Using the term "lived" around Rome in the Imperial period is questionable, imo. We're talking about samples not just in Rome itself but also in Ostia, a port city where transitory seamen and merchants would "live", but only for limited periods of time.

Also, did they include literally ALL of the samples, including the ones which were quite "Northern" autosomally, and the ones who were quite "Levantine" autosomally, i.e. the "tail into the Levant"? If that's the case, are they saying that the people of Anatolia in the Roman and Byzantine Era included people who were quite Levantine autosomally? Or is it only in the Byzantine Era that this was the case? Might it not have been better to separate the two sets of Anatolian samples they were using?

However, there is also this:

"[FONT=&quot]We clustered diverse Roman, Byzantine, and medieval individuals and their immediate predecessors without any knowledge of their population labels and found that the Italian and Anatolian individuals clustered together with those of pre-Roman Anatolia,"

[/FONT]So, which is it? Is it Roman Anatolian samples or Pre-Roman Anatolian samples? If it is Pre-Roman Anatolian samples, does he mean Bronze Age or Iron Age?

I have to go through the figures both in the paper and in the supplement carefully to see if there's information about the precise samples used. If someone has already done it, could you let us know?

To my knowledge we don't have Iron Age samples from Anatolia.

Also, would Aegean Bronze (or Iron) Age samples also be part of that cluster? In that case, they would also be part of this "engine" for the Imperial period, yet it doesn't seem they were thrown into the pot.

How different are the Aegean Bronze Age samples from the Anatolian Bronze Age samples?

What about the Sicilian Bronze Age samples? Would they also fit into that cluster?

Or, how about actual Roman Era Greek samples? Would they fit into that cluster? We do have the Marathon sample. Does he fit into the cluster? How about the two Empuries samples? Do they fit into the cluster? If they do, then wouldn't that imply that the input into Imperial Rome could also be because of Greek colonization, not just movement from Anatolia?

Indeed, in terms of Anatolia, there were, as we all know, numerous Greek settlements there, inhabited by people who were, I agree, probably a mixture of Greek and western Anatolian. Were the samples used to compare to Imperial Roman samples from this group of people?
 
The map shows samples from Epirus, Thessaly and Macedonia. One for each of those regions. And they are no where to be found in the paper.
 
Palermo Trapani said:
There are I think 24 new Mycenean samples in this paper. The admixture models are presented in Supplement 1 for the Myceneans (page 238). 5 Source populations Tur_Marmara_Barcin_Neolithic 53.7% plus/minus 4% + CHG 21% plus/minus 2.2% +Levant PPN 19.5% plus/minus 4.1% + EHG 4.9% plus/minus 0.9% + SRB_Iron Gates HG 0.8% plus/minus 0.5%

So if you take the 4 Myceneans from the Lazaridis et al 2017 paper, there are now 28 samples.

The borrow from the American 1950's American group the Everly Brothers, to Dream, Dream, Dream, that the Myceneans were heavy Steppe, and more particularly, Corded Ware types with predominate EHG is no longer even plausible given we have 28 samples. I alluded, citing the Raveane 2019 paper on Italians that the Southern Flank of the Yamnaya-cultural expansion may have been tilted more CHG relative to EHG in a post earlier this week in the modern Greek and Italians thread (I think it was) or the Southern Arc thread before the paper came out. Yes, there is additional CHG/Iran NEO inflow to Sicily and Southern Italy and Central as well (Antonio et al 2019 Roman paper) but in the Raveane et al 2019 paper (Figure 2) puts about 25-28% combined CHG+EHG+Iran_NEO ancestry in Sicily and Southern Italy. So taking out the additional CHG+Iran_NEO ancestry, a population titled more with CHG+Iran_NEO relative to EHG seems to possibly be related to the spread of IE in Sicily and Southern Italy as well.

In the new paper, Lazaradis point out that the Yamnaya early samples, from Jones et al 2015 I think, were close to 50/50 EHG/CHG. The Bell Beakers were close to this and the Corded Ware harbored about 3.1% more EHG. In the Raveane et al 2019 paper, they suggested Bell Beaker types brought in IE to Northern Italy. The Fernandes et al 2020 paper used Yamnaya to maximize the Steppe into Sicily. But, Bell Beakers, likely from Spain, were also present in Sicily so early Steppe in Sicily could also be related to Bell Beakers/culture migration into Sicily as well.

So the Bell Beakers were close to 50/50 CHG/EHG, the Corded Ware more tilted with EHG so 53/47, but in SE Europe, the Steppe migration consisted of people with > CHG ancestry relative to EHG


From the paper (page 378)

"This is not the case for SoutheasternEurope, where Bronze Age individuals hadan excess of Caucasus over Eastern huntergatherer ancestry not only in the Aegean (~17%in both Minoans and Mycenaeans)"
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Bell Beakers were, to the best of my recollection, about half local European farmer and half steppe, which half steppe was 50/50 EHG and CHG. So, we'd be saying 50% European Chl, which was really about 75% Anatolian farmer, plus 25% local HG, and then the 50% from the steppe would be 50/50 EHG and CHG.

Corded Ware may have been more varied, but the point is that both groups were "not" pure steppe but had admixed with the farmers of Europe. That's where they picked up their de-pigmentation snps, snps which Corded Ware like migrations then brought back out onto the eastern steppe.

Completely agree that Mycenaeans from Corded Ware is and was always ridiculous.

There was a direct line from Yamnaya to Greece, which I asserted more than once. That is why, imo, culturally, at least, there is so much Yamnaya in the Mycenaean culture, even though the Yamnaya genetic input is so minor.
 
ihype02 said:
The map shows samples from Epirus, Thessaly and Macedonia. One for each of those regions. And they are no where to be found in the paper.
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Do you mean the map I posted at the beginning of the thread?

ER posted the whole list of samples. Did you go through them? They're not going to be called Epirus necessarily.
 
Anfänger said:
R1b-Z2103 in Mycenaeans, so it's settled Greek and Armenian are from Yamnaya, not Corded ware derived, even though steppe ancestry is really low. This proves that Yamnaya was at least LPIE (Late Proto-Indoeuropean). What about Albanian?
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R1bZ2103 is also found in small amounts in Corded Ware (still waiting for study with IBD comparing Czech CordedWare with Yamnaya)and Bell Beakers. R1bz2103 is also found in Albania/Serbia.
 
Anfänger said:
R1b-Z2103 in Mycenaeans, so it's settled Greek and Armenian are from Yamnaya, not Corded ware derived, even though steppe ancestry is really low. This proves that Yamnaya was at least LPIE (Late Proto-Indoeuropean). What about Albanian?
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''Together with
the extraordinary heterogeneity in autosomal
ancestry in the Balkans, a picture emerges
of a fragmented genetic landscape that may
well parallel the poorly understood linguistic
diversity in the ancient Balkans, which among
Indo-European languages includes Paleo-Balkan
speakers before the spread of Latin and Slavic,
with Albanian as the only surviving representative.
Did the early Indo-European language
become successful in Southeastern Europe because
it functioned as a “lingua franca,” facilitating
communication among speakers of
the diverse languages of previous farmer and
hunter-gatherer populations?''

from the paper (page 10). Not sure what it means that extremely long sentence....
 
@Angela,
@Palermo Trapani


Many thanks four your replies, they really helped me. We have now 28 Mycenaean samples in total, great.
 
Anfänger said:
R1b-Z2103 in Mycenaeans, so it's settled Greek and Armenian are from Yamnaya, not Corded ware derived, even though steppe ancestry is really low. This proves that Yamnaya was at least LPIE (Late Proto-Indoeuropean). What about Albanian?
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https://twitter.com/iosif_lazaridis/status/1562894185769754627

"And 99% of Indo-European speakers stem from Corded Ware ancestors. It is only three small groups: Greeks, Armenians, Albanians who go up to the Yamnaya not via Corded Ware intermediaries. Many others were wiped out linguistically, e.g. Tocharians and most Paleo-Balkan speakers"
 
Angela said:
Bell Beakers were, to the best of my recollection, about half local European farmer and half steppe, which half steppe was 50/50 EHG and CHG. So, we'd be saying 50% European Chl, which was really about 75% Anatolian farmer, plus 25% local HG, and then the 50% from the steppe would be 50/50 EHG and CHG.

Corded Ware may have been more varied, but the point is that both groups were "not" pure steppe but had admixed with the farmers of Europe. That's where they picked up their de-pigmentation snps, snps which Corded Ware like migrations then brought back out onto the eastern steppe.

Completely agree that Mycenaeans from Corded Ware is and was always ridiculous.

There was a direct line from Yamnaya to Greece, which I asserted more than once. That is why, imo, culturally, at least, there is so much Yamnaya in the Mycenaean culture, even though the Yamnaya genetic input is so minor.
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Angela: Thanks for the input. With the Bell Beakers, there are way more Beaker samples than Yamnaya or even Corded ware that have been published. So the Bell Beaker samples may all have picked up IE from Yamanaya and/or Corded Ware, but the admixture in the Bell Beakers that came into Italy from the North could be different in terms of the baseline admixture of close to 50/50 EHG+CHG that Lazaradis et al 2022 state. So maybe the original Corded Ware in the North were the 50/50 ratio but as they moved West into Central and SW Europe, the Bell Beaker culture was brought into Italy but the admixture was < EHG.

Back to the Raveane et al 2019 paper (Figure 2), No Northern Italian region gets more than about 28% EHG so I think your analysis regarding the Bell Beakers that came into Italy from Central Europe were < 50% EHG, probably significantly less is supported by prior literature on Modern Italians. In addition, none of those Republican Roman samples that clustered with modern Central/Northern Italians had that much, the 8 of 11 that were close to Central (Tuscany)/Northern Italian samples had 24 to 38% Steppe, and again some of that Steppe ancestry is going to related to CHG and not exclusively to EHG.

So thanks the comment, made me better review prior studies and provide clearer post relative to the prior studies.

And yes, the Gustaive Kossina Nordicist Corded Ware/EHG fantasy regarding ancient Greece, Rome as well, finito/basta.
 
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