Albanian substrate in Slavic Carpathia

[PaleoRevenge]

This is a thread mainly centered on the Hutsul dialect of the Carpathian mountains. The Hutsul speak a Slavic dialect, but a very unique Slavic dialect. In it are hundreds of non-Slavic words that have clear cognates to Albanian. The vast majority of these words are unique to the Hutsul dialect, some have acquired a pan Carpathian character and radiate to the neighboring dialects. Some have even entered formally the Ukrainian language. This work represents almost six months of research, the lexicons that will be presented are so unique that the majority of them are only shared between Albanian and Hutsul, a minority is also shared with Romanian but these only represent something along the lines of 5-6% of the total lexicons. Right away it becomes clear Romanians were not the intermediaries of these words, but that can discussed later.



The title is meant as head turner. The Hutsuls do not stem from Albanians, nor do Albanians derive from the Hutsuls. If that was the case, it would show in Y-haplogroups branching. The commonality between the two languages goes back to the Bronze Age and the Iron Age, and the only possible connection between the two, is a common Daco-Thracian heritage.



Based on the linguistic evidence that will be presented, the Hutsuls must represent a former north Dacian population that would been have spoken up to the end of the middle ages. Records of the area are scanty due to the Mongol devastations, but there are some clues. The original Hutsul homeland must have been centered around Romanian Moldova, the area north of the ethnic Hungarians. When the Mongols invaded, the ancestral Hutsuls likely resisted them and the Mongols were very harsh in reprisals which must have decimated the Hutsul population. This weakened state allowed the Vlach to move northward and expel the Hustuls out of their homeland. This event led to the exodus of the ancestral Hutsul clans north toward the Beskides, where they dispersed all the way to Poland, mixing with local Slavs and becoming part of the composition of the Gorales, Boykos, and the various Rusyns subgroups. The modern Hutsuls represent an enclave that did not mix with the Slavs, however this enclave was small and once their brethren that spread out mingled with the Slavs and assimilated into Slavic speech, their world became further marginalized and they too eventually lost their Dacian speech.

The events can be summarized as followed:

-1200s Mongol invasions and devastation of the ancestral Hutsuls population

-late 1200s, opportunistic Vlach tribes move into Hutuls territory and expel them

- 1300s Hutsul population breaks apart and migrates northward(deep into Slavic territory) into the Beskides naming the mountains in their Dacian language, which is a cognate to the Albanian word Bjeshkë - mountain pasture.

-1400s Most of the Hutsul communities begin interacting and mixing with surrounding Slavs which leads to the formation of the Carpathian subgroups, Gorales, Boykos, Lemkos, etc…

-1500s Hutsuls shift to Slavic language, they were likely bilingual from 1300s to 1500s, by 1600s they have mostly lost their Dacian speech. Though some diehards continued hold on to it, attrition has taken it’s toll and the last speakers of this Dacian dialect likely disappear in the 17th century.

-1600s, Hutsuls expand southward, reclaiming some lands from Romanians, they also settle the district of Rhakhiv

-1800s, integration into the Austrian empire and their society is opened up to civilization leading to further deterioration of their Dacian substrate. In this period many Hutsuls shift to lumberjack trade due to high timber demands driven by the industrial revolution

Original Hutsul homeland before the Mongol invasion and subsequent Vlach expansion (read area)

The end result of the dispersal of the Hutsul clans

Two chronicle’s from the 1500s mention a mystery group inhabiting the Carpathian mountains living between Poles, Ruthenians, Moldovans(Romanians), and Tartars:

From our point of view, the Hutsuls represent "an ethnological enigma", documented as something other than Romanians or Ukrainians, in a chorography from 1527, which states that "the Ruthenians, today, are settled between Moldavians, Poles, Tatars, Tartars and the inhabitants of the Carpathian Mountains" [1] , the Mountaineers ("Verhovintians", as they call themselves) being, therefore, a distinct ethnic group. In 1541, when the "Chorografia Moldovei" was published in Vienna, in the edition of I. Singrenius, it was again stated that the Ruthenians, whose country is called Red Russia or Galicia, "are settled between the Moldavians, Poles, Tatars and the inhabitants of the Carpathian Mountains", and since "the ancient homeland of the Huts was Pocutia and the mountainous region of Subcarpathian Russia" [2] , the synonymy "Verhovints" - inhabitants of the Carpathian Mountains seems plausible.

https://dragusanul.ro/hutulii-o-enigma-etnologica-a-satului-moldovenesc/

So in the 1500s there is a mystery ethnic group not counted as Slavic(Ruthenian or Polish), not Turkic or Romanian, living in a area where the Hutsuls are later recorded.


It is also worth stressing that the Hutsuls do not see themselves as Ruthenian or Ukranian nor do Ruthenians see them as their own. Modern Ukraine for nationalists reasons, and the insecurities that come with it, maintains that the Hutsuls are just a branch of the Ukranians. Politically this is definitely true but not historically or from the perspective of linguistics and genetics(hopefully the ROUA paper gets published).



To invoke historical truths further, at the time of St Paissy Velichkovsky in the 18th century, the Hutsuls were counted as a separate people. St Paissy himself counted them among his disciples separately and apart from the "Great Ukrainians."



And just to drive this point further, here recent report from the Hutusl lands by a priest that serves the local parish

*Note the Hutsul population in their ethnic area(both Ukraine and Romania), likely numbers around 300-330k people. This is my estimate based on population statistics of the various districts they inhabit, some of which they only partially inhabit and share with other groups.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

This post is a disclosure of the sources used. Hutsul language was poorly attested until recently, it first drew attention in the 1800s, when many unique words were recorded, some of which have gone extinct but were recorded never the less.
First attempts to compile dictionaries of the dialect were made in the early 1900s. One dictionary was made by Poland in the 1930s and it is quite large, but for some reason it never drew attention. After WWII, a part of the Hutsul population was deported to Siberia and their language was further standardized into the Ukrainian as a result of Soviet public policy towards all Carpathian dialects. After the fall of the Soviet Union dictionaries begin to be compiled starting in the late 90s and continued until the recent years. Two major dictionaries produced in the last five years that entail 20-30 years of research. Its is from the later works which I mostly relied on, due to their great pdf quality allowing easy use of translators.
The majority of words that will be presented come “Dicționar ilustrat huțul-ucrainean-român” by Vasyl Popovych, a Romanian Hutsul that is very active in the community. It is worth quoting the dictionary to get an idea how much work was put into compiling it and the number of individuals involved:

Our “Illustrated Hutsul-Ukrainian-Romanian Dictionary” is a collective work of a group of people who geographically represent different regions of the Hutsul region, which differ somewhat in their specific features, both in culture and traditions, and in the local dialect of the Hutsul dialect of the Ukrainian language

The words of the Hutsul dialect of the Galician Hutsul region were collected by the senior research fellow of the Verkhovynsky National Nature Park, candidate of physical and mathematical sciences, local historian, native of the village of Zelene, Ivan Zelenchuk, and the head of the research department of the Verkhovynsky National Nature Park, ethnologist of the Carpathian National Nature Park, candidate of historical sciences, owner of the "Ethnographic Museum of Antiquities of the Hutsul region", native of the village of Kryvorivnya, Yaroslav Zelenchuk. Working as researchers of the "Hutsul region" Branch of the Research Institute of Ukrainian Studies of the Ministry of Education and Science of Ukraine, which operated in the village of Verkhovyna during 1995-2015, we systematically researched the ethnographic region of the Hutsul region, in particular by the method of field expeditions. Thus, popular science articles were systematically published on the pages of metropolitan and regional magazines, which cited the memories of old-timers, which were recorded in the Hutsul dialects of various settlements of the region.

During field Ukrainian expeditions, we met with local old-timers who speak the Hutsul dialect of the Ukrainian language. During field expeditions in the Hutsul region, which were conducted according to the scientific concept of expeditionary Ukrainian studies of the Scientific Research Institute of Ukrainian Studies, we also made digital audio and video recordings of interviews with pre-selected respondents. During the processing of the expedition materials, we created interview texts that were as close as possible to the recorded Hutsul dialect. We published thematic interviews of our respondents in the professional journal "Ukrainian Studies", regional magazines "Hutsulshchyna", "Hutsul Calendar" and the regional newspaper "Verkhovynski Visti.

List of sources used:
• Dicționar ilustrat huțul-ucrainean-român
o https://files.karpaccy.pl/dictionar_hutuli.pdf
• Hutsul dialect vocabulary and phraseology in Ukrainian literary language (two separate volumes)- Vasyl Stefanyk Precarpathian National University Institute of Ukrainian Studies
o http://lib.pnu.edu.ua:8080/handle/123456789/21803
o http://lib.pnu.edu.ua:8080/handle/123456789/21804
o ^The links for some reason are down, I have downloaded the dictionaries. Recommend one downloads them when the links are back up
• A series of university articles, quite interesting as they contain words recorded in the 1800s, some which have clearly gone extinct.
o https://kul.pnu.edu.ua/wp-content/uploads/sites/46/2018/11/Visnyk_Filolohiia_2008_Vypusk_-XIX-XX.pdf
• Słownik huculski - Janów, Jan
o https://rcin.org.pl/dlibra/doccontent?id=24698
• DICTIONARY OF UKRAINIAN DIVERSITIES OF THE CARPATHIAN REGION - Dmytro Savchuk
o https://evrika.if.ua/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2013/hutsul-dictionary.pdf
• Explanatory Dictionary of Hutsul Dialects - Petro Gavuka
o https://shron1.chtyvo.org.ua/Havuka_Petro/Tlumachnyi_slovnyk_hutsulskykh_hovirok.pdf?
• Links to small database, not a proper dictionary
o https://gist.github.com/Popalay/605d7c83b1f7240b70d2e429d6be9108
o https://starapravda.com.ua/en/blog/zakarpatskyj-dialekt-yak-rozmovlyayut-guczuly/


The bulk of the words come from “Dicționar ilustrat huțul-ucrainean-român”, about 90% of the lexicons were extracted from there.

Second most important is the two volume dictionary (Hutsul dialect vocabulary and phraseology in Ukrainian literary language) which I have not reviewed carefully but did scan it quickly, it has some unique words not present in the first dictionary.

The Polish dictionary was only scanned superficially, the pdf quality is bad and I rely on internet translation, however I did catch some unique words there, these are the words not in Cyrillic letters.

The university article is a compilation of several small articles, has some unique words because it is referencing 1800s literature. The other two dictionaries were only scanned superficially, one is quite large, but it contains a lot of modern words, which is the reason for it’s massive size (20k words).

With all that said, let’s move on to the real meat.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

The lexicon will be posted by alphabet sections, following the alphabetical order of the dictionary except the the first post, this will set the tone and establish beyond doubt that there is a paleo-language that is undeniable. Some words were grouped in different sections of the alphabet because they are deviations of each other and logically should be grouped. I'll stop talking and let the data do it's job. The first words are the alpha and omega of the Albanian language, a beautiful Thracian language.

Hutsul	English	Albanian
флетерити/fleteryty	to talk, to convince, tell, report, talk a lot of something	flas/flet - to speak, talk, say, gossip, discourse.
флетерінє/fleterinje	chatter, babble, talk	flas/flet - to speak, talk, say, gossip, discourse.
фляворити/fljavoryty	to speak obscenely, badly	fjalëvrazhdë - speaking in a rough tone, offensive in speech, nasty-tongued fjalë - 1) word 2) something said: words 3) speech 4) talk, conversation
фляджити/fljadžyty	slander	fjalë - 1) word 2) something said: words 3) speech 4) talk, conversation most likely a compound of fjalë and nxir.
фляцнути/fljacnuty	to speak carelessly, to slur words	fjalë - 1) word 2) something said: words 3) speech 4) talk, conversation fjalëkotë - speaking aimless nonsense: nonsensical; rambling
ФЛЯУЗА/FLJAUZA	to make a fuss, to disgrace	fjalë zeza - dirty words, sinister words
фльора/flʹora	liar	folësi - talkativeness, loquacity folur - spoken; oral 2) speech ability: speech 3) speech manner; speaking style
фарадний/faradnyj	exhausted, tired, tortured	farohet - to be very hungry
фаріон/farion	schemer, intriguer	faros/faron - 1) to wipe out, finish [ ] off, cancel 2) to devastate 3) to eat up 4) to take the seeds out of
Форин/Foryn	main, chief	farë - 1) seed 2) sperm 3) progeny; kin group 4) sort, ilk; race, breed fare - totally, wholly, completely
фацарний/facarnyj	witty, quick, ingenious	fucon - to pilfer, filch fucak - nosy/inquisitive person
уфацарити/ufacaryty	to steal	fucon - to pilfer, filch
фая/faja	strong wind	fryjë - 1) gale, strong wind 2) snowdrift
фрелка/frelka	bagpipe, pipe.	fryj - inflate, blow, wind, puff, breath fryrës - 1) blowpipe 2) glassblower 3) bellows (at a forge) 4) caster of spells fryce - bellows frynëz - (Old) flute
фринтіти/fryntity	fear, to be afraid	fry - 2) [Colloq] to run away: blow, scamper off frymë - breath; breathing
фуркало/furkalo	windmill, paper toy	fryj/n - inflate, blow, wind, puff
фуркне/furkne	to extinguish by blowing	fryj/n - inflate, blow, wind, puff
фелеґа/felega, феледжірі/feledžiri	1) Hutsul long coats(the felega) 2) Bukovinians who wore long sardaks	flexë - swaddling cloth
фандела/fandela	frying pan	fëltere - frying pan
фель/felʹ, фелю/felju	stock, breed, race	fole - 1) nest; aerie 2) [Fig] family home 4) group of offspring of domestic animals born and raised together: litter, brood
фена/fena	apparition, ghost	fani - phantasm, apparition
фертик/fertyk	done, finished, the end	fërkat - 1) to eat [ ] all up, feast; gobble [ ] up, swallow [ ] up; splurge 2) to squander, waste
фийк/fyjk, фийкувати/fyjkuvaty	brake, hindrance	fik - to extinguish, douse, quench, put/blow [ ] out, turn/switch [ ] off, wipe [ ] out fikat - to die down, fade out fikatës - shock absorber fikatje - (Phys) (wave) dampening fiket - to lose power gradually, get weak: get dim, fade out
фирлоджіти/fyrlodžity, Фелега/Feleha	to destroy clothes, tattered clothes	fërtele - in tatters, tattered piece of cloth: rag
фиса/fysa	viper, serpent	fishkëllej - 1) to whistle 2) to hiss
фисіти/fysity, фистіти/fystity	to hiss, to hiss	fishkëllej - 1) to whistle 2) to hiss
фискавка/fyskavka	lightning, thunderbolt	fishkëllej - 1) to whistle 2) to hiss fishkëllimë - whistling sound, at great speed, with a great rush fishek - cartridge (for a gun); bullet, fast as a bullet fishekzjarr - (fireworks) rocket; (fireworks) rocket-launcher; light from fireworks
фівкало/fivkalo, фівкати/fivkaty	1) whistle 2) to whistle, to hiss	fishkëllej - 1) to whistle 2) to hiss
фихтуватиси/fyxtuvatysy	to quickly fix something while working	fut - to mend <> with [ ]
фихтярство/fyxtjarstvo	audacity, daring, boldness	futur - approachable to others; that enters among people even when they are not invited futësak - meddling, busybody, meddler
фиштик/fyštyk	a small piece of land, strip of land	fushë - 1) field 2) level ground: plain fushëtirë - 1) small plain in a hilly or mountainous area 2) valley fushor - 1) in or of open and flat country: lowland 2) (Mil) field- fushore - level ground; small clearing
фірас/firas, Фірас/firra	sawdust; sawmill	ther - to cut, gut, *****, pierce, slaughter, butcher thërrime - 1) crumb 2) tiny rice-like pasta 3) little piece of something: particle 4) [Fig] very small amount: tiny bit
фірштайґ/firštajg	cleared road through the forest	shteg - path, trail
райштоки/rajštoky	hunting trails	shteg - 1) narrow passage through a barrier: path, gap, pass 2) rough/wild trail (in a mountain/forest); narrow path 3) [Fig] difficult path to reach a goal: hard way out shtegës - hunter lying in wait rrajë - 1) path tread in the snow 2) way
раґаш/ragaš, РАГАШ/RAHAŠ	1) narrow road in the forest 2) a path along which sheep walk in the pasture 3) forest, pasture. A narrow path (mostly trampled by cattle or crushed by a felled tree that is lowered down).	rrahe - 1) narrow path: trail 2) part in the hair (created by combing) rrah - arable clearing in a forest
фіфола/fifola, фуфела/fufela	1) blizzard 2) snowstorm 3) gale, blizzard	fërfllizë - snowstorm, snow flurry fërfllazë - snowdrift
флешня/flešnja	rotten, putrefaction	flashket - 1) to wither, shrivel up; get wrinkled 2) to lose strength, get weak, become debilitated; become sluggish flashkët - 1) lacking firmness: soft and mushy; limp, flabby, flaccid 2) lacking vigor: sluggish, listless 3) lacking strength: feeble, pale
флявка/fljavka	snout, nozzle, muzzle, nosee	feçkë - snout, trunk, proboscis
Фол/fol	fallen needles of conifers	fletë - 1) wing 2) fin 3) leaf 4) sheet; page 5) certificate 6) leaf of a double door/window/shutter; panel of a weaving/tent/carpet 7) husk, pod 8) [Colloq] petal
фрас/fras	1) fever, chills	fraq - bitter cold; cold, dry winter wind fraqon - 1) to dry [ ] out; dry [ ] in the sun/air 2) to toast
фрондя/frondja	long-faced person	fytyrëgjatë - long-faced person. Hutsul word for face must be fron(and likely the original Albanoid term, as Albanian fytyr is Latin) and dja equates to Albanian gjat - tall, long
фріча/friča	dish	frëqe - mouthful, gulp
фудумай/fudumaj	a narrow corner in which cattle have gathered	futet - dock, into. fut - thrust, enter, put, tuck, introduce. futu - enter
фусеклі/fusekli	socks	fushë - field, plain, flatland, flat fushkët - flexible, pliant fus/fut - to put [ ] inside: insert; thrust/plant [ ] deep, drive [ ] in, stick [ ] in; immerse, plunge; introduce, add
фудумай/fudumaj	a narrow corner in which cattle have gathered	futet - dock, into. fut - thrust, enter, put, tuck, introduce. futu - enter
футкий/futkyj	fast, rapid, quick, prompt	fut - thrust, enter, put, tuck, introduce futet - 5 [Colloq] to get a quick treatment (with/by)
футуцкати/futuckaty	to treat badly a person you want to get rid of	fut - thrust, enter, put, tuck, introduce ja futi - a phrase that means to treat someone with disrespect(stick it to them) it varies in meaning from to cheat someone in a deal, to outright disrespect.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

Looks like the table came out a little scrambled, here is the jpg version for better ease of reading.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

aйбо/ajbo	But	po/por - but
aнджєрати/andžjeraty	puke, vomit	nxjerr - layout, draw out, spit
aє йо/aje jo	such, thus	kaq - 1) this much/many, so much/many, so 2) only this much/many; only so much/many; so few/little. aq/aqë - to such a degree/extent, so, so much 2) as much as could be imagined 3) to some extent but not much (Jo in Hustul = yes). Aq and its's derivate kaq goes back to proto-Alb akja
aє/aje	really? Is it possible?	kaq? - That's it? aq? - that much?
aди йо/ady jo	just so, just like that	aty -there, therein, thither. (jo in Hustul = yes.)
aди генде/ady hende	there, beyond	aty/atje - there, thither, yonder. andej - that way, in that direction, around there, along about there; over that way, over there
aди гезде/ady hezde	right here, here it is	aty eshte/ketu eshte - there it is/here it is
Adde	there	atje - there
ади!/ady!	look, see, behold	aty - 1) near there (in relation to the position in space or time of one or both of the participants in the speech act or to another position immediately identifiable by them), right there, there, there by you, there by me 2) right then, at the same time
генде/hende	there, yonder, beyond, across, over there	ende - 1) still, yet 2) even more, still more 3) again andej - that way, in that direction, around there, along about there; over that way, over there
гиндрички/hyndryčky	walking, strolling	endet - to wander, roam; be a wanderer; wander around, move (around) frequently
ондика/ondyka	there, therein, thither	andej(a) - thither, 1) that way, in that direction, around there, along about there; over that way, over there 2) about then, along about then; since about then, from about then
aндрус/andrus	thief, swindler, scoundrel, robber	andrallë - worry, trouble, problem; headache. andrallos - to cause headaches/problems, bother
ашош/ašoš	of course, usually, certainly	ashtu - 1) in that way, that way, thus, like that 2) so 3) somewhat; so-so; somehow; about the same
АСЬ’ИК/ASʹ’YK	It seems that. Apparently. It seems.	ashtu - 1) in that way, that way, thus, like that 2) so 3) somewhat; so-so; somehow; about the same
aмба/amba	quick death	humb - 1) to lose 2) [Colloq] to cause [ ] to disappear: wipe [ ] out, kill [ ]

 

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Бабздеря/Babzderya	savage, wilding	babëzi - 1) greed, avarice, gluttony, insatiability, greediness 2) wretched poverty, terrible misfortune/bad luck ) [Colloq] glutton, insatiable/avaricious person babëziar - 1) gluttonous, insatiable 2) [Fig] insatiably greedy: avaricious
бебелька/bebelʹka	sheep or rabbit droppings	bajgë - horse/cow manure; dung. *Note sheep and rabbit have similar looking dropping.
belega/balega, БЕЛЕҐА/BELEGA	cattle droppings	bajgë - horse/cow manure; dung. *From archaic and dialectal balgë, balëgë, from Old Albanian baljëgë, from Proto-Albanian *balgā
балаґова/balagova	nonsense, absurdity, stupidity;foolishness	bajgë - horse/cow manure; dung
Б’АЛТА/B’ALTA	Swamp	baltë - mud, sludge
бескид/beskyd	mountain medow, mountain pasture	bjeshkë - high mountain with summer pasture; alpine pasture
бешість/bešistʹ, БЕЗШШІСТЬ/BEZŠŠISTʹ, БЕШЄСТУН/BEŠJESTUN, БЕШТИФРАНТ/BEŠTYFRANT, bezczest/bezsziest'	scoundrel, vile, despised, trickster, a man without honor	besë - honor, oath, faith. besëthyes - dishonorable, faithless, traitorous, untrustworthy. One of the Hutsul versions seems to be besë-s'është
бештанє/beštanje, БЕШКАТИ/BEŠKATY, БЕШТАТИ/BEŠTATY	quarrel, conflict	besëshkalë - dishonorable, faithless, traitorous, untrustworthy besëthyerje - breach of honor/trust, perfidiousness
БЕШЬЕСНА/BEŠʹESNA	An unhappy, offended person.	besë - honor, oath, faith.
бєзпечитися/bjezpečytysja, БЕЗПЕЧИТИ/BEZPEČYTY, БЕЗПЕЧІТИ/BEZPEČITY	to rely on, to trust, to assure, to guarantee, to assure of something.	besë - honor, oath, faith. The word seems to be a compound of bjezpe + čytysja, the proper Ukranian word is pokladatysya, doviryatysya. So the first part of the compound bjezpe or bjez is likely of Dacian origin and relatable to Albanian bese, besa. The word might be fully Albanoid, besë-qet
БЕЗПЕЧЬНА/BEZPEČʹNA, БЕЗПЕШНА/BEZPEŠNA	Safe. Reliable.	besë - honor, oath, faith. besimplotë - full of faith, trusting
побезпечився/pobezpečyvsja	reliable	besë - honor, oath, faith. The word bjezpe or bjez is likely of Dacian origin and relatable to Albanian bese, besa. Compare the Croatian equivalent povjerenje, it relates to the word vjerovati - believe, trust. The word bjezpe or bjez in turn would equate to believe, trust.
побезпечитися/pobezpečytysja	to trust	besë - honor, oath, faith. The word bjezpe or bjez is likely of Dacian origin and relatable to Albanian bese, besa. Compare the Croatian equivalent povjerenje, it relates to the word vjerovati - believe, trust. The word bjezpe or bjez in turn would equate to believe, trust.
БЕЗЛИЧНА/BEZLYČNA	A person who has lost his conscience and honor lives a lie.	besë - honor, oath, faith besë lënur - to have lost one's besa
БЕЗШЄСНИЙ/BEZŠJESNYJ	He who is not happy is unhappy, cursed.	besë - honor, oath, faith
биров/byrov, birev, birov, byrev	village head, mayor	burrë - 1) male person; man 2) husband 3) real man: brave/courageous person, man of his word, loyal person 4) distinguished person
БІРУВАТИ/BIRUVATY, БИРУВАТИ/BYRUVATY	To be able, to have the strength	burrë - 1) male person; man 2) husband 3) real man: brave/courageous person, man of his word, loyal person 4) distinguished person burras - in a manly way, like a man; boldly, courageously burrëri - 1) manhood; manliness, virility 3) courage, pluck; bravery, valor 4) steadfastness, loyalty
бицкатисьи/byckatysʹy	to jump and run (about livestock, due to insect bites)	vickëlon - (of an animal) to kick with the hind legs, bucking. vicka/vickë - 1) kick that a horse , donkey , etc. throws with its hind legs: a mule kicks a mule. 2) unfounded opposition, an attempt without reason to refuse to accept something: a mule kicks, he throws a mule, he throws a mule.
Фицкати/Fyckaty	to kick, to beat with the hind legs	vickëlon - (of an animal) to kick with the hind legs, bucking. vicka/vickë - 1) kick that a horse , donkey , etc. throws with its hind legs: a mule kicks a mule. 2) unfounded opposition, an attempt without reason to refuse to accept something: a mule kicks, he throws a mule, he throws a mule.
бігме/bihme	to swear, to take an oath	be - 1) oath; vow, pledge, swearing 2) testimony. betohet - to take oath, pledge.
бігнати/bihnaty	to convince, to prove	bind - 1) to convince, persuade 2) [Colloq] to astonish
бідашина/bidašyna, БІДАШКА/BIDAŠKA	beloved, girl	dashur - 1) dear; sweetheart, darling 2) lover. Dašyna is clearly relatable to Albanian dashnia, dashuria
кардашина/kardašyna	*****	dashuri - 1) love, affection 2) love, enthusiasm. Recall the earlier example of bidašyna which means beloved in Hutsul. So kardašyna = penis lover, penis lust, hence a whore.
бобрити/bobryty	to speak rudely, to speak in a rough bass	bërtet - 1) to call out loudly: yell, shout 2) to yell at [ ]; scold 3) [Pej] to make a lot of noise in order to attract attention: make a big hullabaloo 4) [Pej] to whimper, whine
бриндзувати/bryndzuvaty	to gather in one house very often	brenda - inside; within. brendazi - internally; from within; towards the interior, inward
бриндушьи/bryndušʹy	crocus flower	brenda - inside; within. brendazi - internally; from within; towards the interior, inward
бриндза/bryndza	Poloniny smoked cheese made from sheep's and cows' milk, finely ground, salted and tightly pressed for long-term storage	brenda - inside; within. brendazi - internally; from within; towards the interior, inward
бранджя/brandžja	a gathered community of completely unknown people	brenda - inside; within. brendazi - internally; from within; towards the interior, inward
бриндзольи/bryndzolʹy	welt in shoes - a leather rim sewn around the edge of a shoe upper to which the sole is attached.	brenda - inside; within. brendazi - internally; from within; towards the interior, inward
брумнатний/brumnatnyj	dark, obscure	mbrëmje - evening, night mbrëmanet - toward evening time, towards dusk; during the evening, at evening time
будза/budza, будзьора/budzʹora	1) human head 2) mountain top	bucet - to go head to head in buza - cliffs; boulders
будз/budz, будзівник/budzivnyk	1) smoked cheese made from sheep's milk, cows' milk, head of sheep's cheese 2) cheese cloth	bucet - to go head to head in a fight: clash bucak - wooden jug, small wooden pail, pitcher
БУЦМАТИЙ/BUCMATYJ	Full-cheeked, full-faced.	buc/budz(human head in Hutsul) + madh - 1) big; large; tall 2) great; grand
бульбан/bulʹban	deep place on the river	bulbëron - to abound; swarm, teem
бига/byha	instant state of delight, momentary state of rapture	bëhat - to amaze, stupefy.
биґарь/bygarʹ	stick, staff, cane	bigaçe - forked stick
бигувати/byhuvaty	to plan	bëhet - 1) to become, get; turn, turn into 2) to ripen 3) to appear 4) to happen, occur 5) (of a quantity of time) to pass. bën - 1) to make; cause; produce, create 2) to do, engage in [an activity] 3) to make [ ] ready, prepare 4) to earn 5) to spend [a period of time] 6) to constitute 7) (Math) to equal, make III§ vi 1) to do something, act, behave 2) to be worth; be worthy 3) to be adequate/appropriate, make it 4) (of things worn on the body) to fit <> 5 to be (of weather or climate). *Note uvaty/vaty is a Slavic/Ukranian suffix, example Ukranian word for planning is planuvaty
убиря/ubyrja	clothes, apparel	bërë - 1) ripe, finished, done, made 2) [Colloq] crafted; artificial, synthetic; ready-made
битлувати/bytluvaty	withstand, remain, hold out, resist, reside	mbet - 1) to stay 2) to remain; be left (over); come out of it, come away 3) to stick without moving: stay concentrated; get stuck 4) to end one's life: die 5) [Colloq] to come to an agreement 6) [Colloq] to start, begin
бігатиси/bihatysy	to impregnate (about a cow)	bohet/bohem - (of animals) to copulate
бирь/byrʹ	addressing a flock of sheep when you want to herd them into a pen or stable	berr - small livestock (sheep or goat)
букурія/bukurija	embossed belt	bukur - beautifully
буркало/burkalo	water source	burim - 1) spring, fountainhead 2) head/source of a river or stream 3) source 4) origin 5) resource buron - 1) (of water) to spring up out of the ground, bubble up: well up 2) to originate
буркнути/burknuty	the name of a place in the mountains where there is a mineral water spring "Burkut"	burim - 1) spring, fountainhead 2) head/source of a river or stream 3) source 4) origin 5) resource buron - 1) (of water) to spring up out of the ground, bubble up: well up 2) to originate
бурлак/burlak	throat, throat, larynx	burim - 1) spring, fountainhead 2) head/source of a river or stream 3) source 4) origin 5) resource buron - 1) (of water) to spring up out of the ground, bubble up: well up 2) to originate buromë - 1) spring, fountainhead 2) [Reg] spittle, saliva, slobber burth - 2) [Veter]mouth-burning equine disease symptomized by blood blisters on the roof of the mouth
буртикатиси/burtykatysy	to go through something	buron - 1)(of water) to spring up out of the ground, bubble up: well up 2) to originate 3) to flow profusely and continuously 4) to leak, seep
бербениця/berbenycja/bărbânţă	wooden barrel with a capacity of 32 l for storing guslinka and cheese	ber - 1) bow; arc, arch, curve 2) (Bot) thorny herbaceous plant with a long, tufted stalk; dart made from the stalk of this plant
берь/berʹ	bridge over a river or stream	ber - 1) bow; arc, arch, curve ylber - rainbow
берівочка/berivočka	small barrel	vogël - small, little. vockël - potty, puny, tiny. ber - bow; arc, arch, curve
фіявочка/fijavočka	girl	vogël - small, little. vockël- potty, puny, tiny. vockëlushe - little girl. bije -daughter. Bijavockel? fijan - godchild (Latin, but this word also exists in Hutsul through Romanian borrowing)
броуза/brouza	bicarbonate	bruz - aquamarine (precious stone)
борган/borhan	big stone	bërtham - fruit pit, stone, kernel, seed; nucleus, core
бордюг/bordjuh	1) hunting bag from the stomach a bull, 2) leather shoulder bag	bart - 1) to bear, carry, transport = mbart· 2) [Old] to hold = mba·n bark - 6) stomach and intestines
бордюг/bordjuh	young calf	bark - 8) womb 9) litter, brood; the offspring of a man and woman taken as a collective whole; members of a lineal kin group, clan
ботей/botej	flock of sheep	butuk - 1) yearling billy goat 2) old goat 3) old sheep
БОТА/BOTA	a large number of animals	botë - 1) world 2) [Collec] others, strangers 6) living things or objects with a common denominator 9) life on Earth, the objective world, afterlife
бухня/buxnja	an old, dilapidated house	bun - 1) shepherd's hut; lean-to 2) dwelling place 3) insect nest 4) upland pastur
бухнишє/buxnyšje	the remaining place in the house	bun - 1) shepherd's hut; lean-to 2) dwelling place 3) insect nest 4) upland pastur
брацикатися/bracykatysja	slip in the swamp, to slide into the puddle	braçinë - pond, pool
БРАМАРІ/BRAMARI	wealthy gadzi, whose courtyards are hidden behind high gates.	mbrapa - behind mbrâmët - 1) in/on the back side, in back: reverse, obverse 2) rear, hind, hindmost
бриндзарь/bryndzarʹ	bumblebee	grenzë - wasp. Berunzë - (Bot) teasel (Dipsacus) berunzore - (Bot) scabious family Dipsacaceae
брьохкай/brʹoxkaj	to shoot boldly	bie/bjer - 8) to strike (<>); strike (<>) suddenly, hit <>; descend with force (on <>); knock on <> 9) to come down hard on <>: reprimand <>, scold bjeri - strike
НАБРОЇТИ/NABROJITY	To do harm	bie/bjer - 8) to strike (<>); strike (<>) suddenly, hit <>; descend with force (on <>); knock on <> 9) to come down hard on <>: reprimand <>, scold bjeri - strike
бурдул/burdul	dugout, cottage	borde - opening/hole (in a wall/roof) birë - hole, opening
обирник/obyrnyk	a tool used to make holes in the skin	birë - hole, opening birëse - hammer or chisel used to make holes birëz - small hole
обора/obora	a hole in the posts for passing the ropes	birë - hole, opening borde - opening/hole (in a wall/roof)
бутіти/butity	to cry quietly	butë - softly, gently, tenderly, mildly, moderately

Note Slavic has a lot of introduction verbs such as по/po, о/o, НА/NA, у/u which made their first appearance. Their meanings are broad, but they generally mean: to, at, about, etc... their function is that of an intro to the main word, they will appear more more as we move to other sections.

The biggest highlight of this big post, Hutuls fetch for their word and guarantee something through a word that sounds like besa, and they fight and kill for injury to their besa. I really don't have to do anything to sell it.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

For those that prefer jpg:

 

[Veriu]

The entire list is so uninformed that there's nothing left to add that I didn't write about in the first thread. Almost all of the supposed "non-Slavic" terms are in fact found in other Slavic languages like obora, a very common Slavic term. Such a common Slavic term can be seen as derivative from a language close to Albanian and comparable to birë only to someone who knows and understands nothing about linguistics, Slavic languages and Albanian.

 

[Veriu]

An appraisal of the "list" by a blogger who wrote a similar review to mine when it was posted for the first time:

 

[Veriu]

The historical background of the Hutsuls by Paleo-Revenge is fictional. The Hutsuls are Transcarpathian Slavs who mostly live in Bukovina.

During the last millennium these territories were the parts of different states and were open for ethnically diverse migrations. It was revealed that the major Y chromosomal haplogroups in Transcarpathia population were R1a1a1*(М198), I2a (Р37.2), R1a1a1g (М458), E1b1b1a1 (M78). The major haplogroups in Bukovina population were I2a (Р37.2), R1a1a1*(М198), R1a1a1g (М458), R1b1b2 (М269), E1b1b1a1 (M78), I1 (М253). The Bukovina population differs from the typical Ukrainian population by higher frequency of I2a (Р37.2) and lower frequency of R1a1a1*(М198). Moreover, this is the only population among ones studied in Ukraine where the most frequent haplogroup is I2a (Р37.2) but not R1a1a1*(М198).

The Hutsuls are part of Bukovina Slavs and genetic ancestry shows that they are Slavs without any Balkan deviation from other Transcarpathian Slavs.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

This is what smerdelos said:

If you value his opinion, you'll wait for it.

Bezce cannot be both honor, safety, trust, and quarrel, scoundrel, injury and loss of honor all in one, definitely not in Slavic, in Albanian yes, 100%. Bez in Slavic means without. The only version that feets a Slavic definition is the one from the Polish dictionary, the author did that with other words, he wrote down the form in a corrupted version. Either way both definitions cannot co-exists within the same root word. In Albanian yes.

In fact another linguists, who was only shown БЕЗПЕЧИТИ/BEZPEČYTY assumed the translation had to be wrong and it should be the opposite of honor and safety, I'm certain he was going by the assumption that Hutsuls do not have a non-Slavic origin, and a word construct based of the compound bez cannot have such meaning in Slavic. But it does, so how else to explain. We will find, some very competent people are looking into it.

Smerdelos misread kardasyna, it does not mean lover, it means whore(the b word actually). But he misread and jumped to conclusion. He skimmed though it initially, but he promised to give another more careful look. I say that's very fair of him.

флетерити/fleteryty - to talk, to convince, tell, report, talk a lot of something

cheers

 

[PaleoRevenge]

вайльо/vajlʹo	Oh, what a trouble!, oh, trouble.	vaj - 1) wail mourning a death: dirge, lament 2) mournful cry; crying 3) (cry of woe) woe is me!
вайвадорити/vajvadoryty	cry, shout	vajton - to lament/mourn [ ] by loud wailing
вайдочітиси/vajdočitysy	to worry, to complain about life	vajton - to lament/mourn [ ] by loud wailing
вак/vak, вакувати/vakuvaty	plaster	vak - 1) to make [a liquid] tepid 2) [Fig] to enfeeble: weaken vaket - 2) [Fig] to lose force/intensity: weaken; wane, dwindle
ваколд/vakold	unkempt and dirty cow	vakët - 2) [Fig Colloq] not likely to be productive, just so-so 3) [Fig] listless; lackluster; ineffective
валитися/valytysja	quarrel	valas - constantly quarreling
валило/valylo	hydraulic structure for the needs of the production of lizhniks(wool - lesh)	valë - 1) wave, undulation 2) state of liquid in a rolling boil; boiling-hot liquid 3) [Colloq] kettle for boiling water 4) bubble formed during boiling valëzon - to undulate; billow; surge valëvit - to cause [ ] to move back and forth smoothly: sway/swing/wave
вара/vara	dangerously, dangerous	varr - unbearably difficult; grievous and intolerable
варівний/varivnyj	horrible, frightening, terrible	varr - unbearably difficult; grievous and intolerable
варке/varke, варкий/varkyj, варко/varko	1) dangerous 2) to be in danger	varr - unbearably difficult; grievous and intolerable
варувалиси/varuvalysy, варуватиси/varuvatysy, варуватися/varuvatis	1) to be scared 2) to be afraid 3) to be cautious, to be careful 4) to be anxious 5) to beware	vërejtje -1) to watch [ ] attentively, look at [ ] attentively: observe 2) to notice; note 3) to watch out for [ ] 4) to look after [ ], take care of [ ] 5) observation, close observation varome - faint, swoon varr - unbearably difficult; grievous and intolerable
зваричівка/zvaryčivka	apple variety Paperivka (pale yellow based on google image search)	zverdhak - 1) yellowed, yellowish 2) having a pallid complexion: pale
варунково/varunkovo	dangerous, perilous	varur - 1) hanging in midair 2) [Fig] unresolved; undecided, irresolute
варводити/varvodyty	to make a fuss, to make a ruckus	vërret - 1) to bleat 2) [Pej] to screech
вере/vere, варе/vare	unless, perhaps, maybe	varet - depends, be controlled or determined by
верешенитиси/verešenytysy	to not find one's place, to not find a place for oneself	vërejshëm - noticeable, observable vëren - 1) to watch [ ] attentively, look at [ ] attentively: observe 2) to notice; note 3) to watch out for [ ] 4) to look after [ ], take care of [ ]
ватра/vatra	fire, hearth	vatër - 1) hearth; fireplace 2) [Fig] home 3) small plot of ground 4) (Spec Geom) focal point 5 )(Physiol) nerve center 6) (Med) localized/chief site of an infection: focus. Bufic- 1) [Old] swollen, inflated 2) plump, chubby
ватерник/vaternyk, ватришші/vatryšši	1) place in the sheepfold where the fire burns 2) a place on earth where fire burned	vatër - 1) hearth; fireplace 2) [Fig] home 3) small plot of ground 4) (Spec Geom) focal point 5 )(Physiol) nerve center 6) (Med) localized/chief site of an infection: focus.
ватуйка/vatujka	one-year-old goat	vath - 1) earring 2) dewlap on a goat. vathatore - bearded goat
вергси/verhsy, вергтиси/verhtysy	he got scared, to be frightened	vërsulet - 1) to rush forward; make a rush at/toward <> 2) to attack with a rush: assail vërtik - sudden force; rush
вергтиси/verhtysy	to rush somewhere, to move	vërtik - sudden force; rush
вершадь/veršadʹ	large ravine with bushes, a large ravine with bushes; or the rapid beginning of a river	vërshim - overflow, flood; cloudburst, downpour; spurt
васир/vasyr	logging site, location where lummbderjacks work	sharrë - saw; saw blade
виднишє/vydnyšje	a barren place where the haystack stood	vend - 1) place; location 2) populace of a place 3) country; home ground, home country; local area 4) sufficient space: room 5) seat 6) position, job 7) appropriate place/time: right place vendosje/vendoset - to take up residence: settle
виднище/vydnyšče	base of the mound	vend - 1) place; location 2) populace of a place 3) country; home ground, home country; local area 4) sufficient space: room 5) seat 6) position, job 7) appropriate place/time: right place
Виднишєта/vidnysheta	worthless people	vend - 1) place; location 2) populace of a place 3) country; home ground, home country; local area 4) sufficient space: room 5) seat 6) position, job 7) appropriate place/time: right place vendës - long-established (resident), native/aboriginal/local (inhabitant). vendali - native, local resident, native inhabitant. In this example, vidnysheta, likely means vend i shitur - sellouts, unreliable people.
видосовня/vydosovnja	earth well warmed by the sun	Albanian vend(place) and Slavic/Ukranian sontse(sun) = sunny place
вунда/vunda	desire, wish	vendos - to be determinative, make the decisions: decide
сшедити/sšedyty	to betray	shet - 1) to sell 2) [Pej] to sell out [ ]: betray. shitur - 1) sold 2) mercenary, lackey
вирда/vyrda	group, herd	varg - 1) string (of objects of the same kind): string; chain; series 2) (Lit) verse line 3) [Fig] large quantity/number: a whole series. vargan - line of things/animals/people: file, column, procession; line, row
відтріхнути/vidtrixnuty	to pour	derdh - pour derdhet - to flow, stream out; spill out, pour; spill over, overflow
витєшканитиси/vytješkanytysy	to drag oneself out, to crawl (outside)	vetë - self, oneself: myself, yourself, himself, herself, itself, ourselves, yourselves, themselves shkon - 1) to go 2) to go away/off. leave, depart 3) to go off to become. vetë-shkon - goes/leaves by themselves/ownself
вітліша/vitliša	worse	vithisje - downfall, collapse
вісний/visnyj	knife a knife with two handles for planing wood	vishkon - to rub; scratch
віщий/viščyj	aware, conscious	veshqok - perceptive, mentally keen, quick-witted: clever, smart, sharp. veshtë - sharp-eared, attentive; mentally sharp
володит/volodyt	stomach pain	voll/vjell - to vomit up
впелюсткатиси/vpeljustkatysy	to come to terms with	përlutje - 1)to intercede with [ ]: implore, supplicate 2) intercession, supplication
вура/vura, вурити/vuryty	1) rebellion, rebellious spirit 2) quarrel, anger 3) to be angry, to hold a grudge	vras/vret - 1) to kill, slay 2) to wound, injure 3) to hurt vrarë - 1) wounded; injured; bruised; hurt 2) killed, slain 3) [Fig] deeply saddened/hurt; feeling very sad vurratë - scar, mark, brand
вурда/vurda	ricotta, cheese after secondary boiling of whey	urdhë/urdha - sort of white cheese
вздріт/vzdrity, ЗІЗДРИТИ/ZIZDRYTY	see, sight	dritë - 1) light 2) daylight 3) pupil (of an eye) zdritet - 1) to be full of light, be bright, shine bright 2) [Fig] to become clear
ЗАЗДРІТИ/ZAZDRITY	1) To see 2) Look in	dritë - 1) light 2) daylight 3) pupil (of an eye) zdritet - 1) to be full of light, be bright, shine bright 2) [Fig] to become clear
ЗАЗДРІТИСЯ/ZAZDRITYSJA	look	dritë - 1) light 2) daylight 3) pupil (of an eye) zdritet - 1) to be full of light, be bright, shine bright 2) [Fig] to become clear

 

[PaleoRevenge]

In this new section I think the only intro verbs are v when followed by constant, and za.

Albanian verdh is of Latin origin, it was only included to show that Hutsul зваричівка/zvaryčivka is likely related to mean yellow and the related words about fear are also referring to the color yellow. To turn pale, to be yellow bellied. It also gives insight how a Latin word that means green ended up being used for yellow in Albanian, it replaced a look alike word that meant yellow. In that context it makes sense.

The star of the show in this section is vidny(the d being in front of the n is likely a corruption from Slavonic influence). Vidny in Hutusl is used for place, base and people/country, the full equivalent of Albanian vend.

 

[Veriu]

This is what smerdelos said:

If you value his opinion, you'll wait for it.

He didn't misread anything. He replied about your first posts and then said that will check the rest of them too.


You can post whatever you want, I really don't want to stop you from posting, but your lists can't be supported linguistically and it requires just basic understanding of how languages develop and interact to understand why. Most of the words originate from terms which exist in all Slavic branches

This is what smerdelos said:

If you value his opinion, you'll wait for it.

Smerdelos misread kardasyna, it does not mean lover, it means whore(the b word actually). But he misread and jumped to conclusion. He skimmed though it initially, but he promised to give another more careful look. I say that's very fair of him.

It was his second reply to another list you asked him to check. It doesn't change his first review which he just confirmed again after another review of your "list".

Reply by smerdaleos to this post just a couple of hours ago:

Three independent reviews of your "list" have reached the same conclusion: it's very poorly researched and shows glaring lack of entry level knowledge about Slavic, Albanian and linguistics in general.

 

[Veriu]

The star of the show in this section is vidny(the d being in front of the n is likely a corruption from Slavonic influence). Vidny in Hutusl is used for place, base and people/country, the full equivalent of Albanian vend.

The supposed "full equivalent" of Albanian vend can't be derived from it or a close language. It is in fact just a common Slavic word:

You're not convincing anyone who has even entry level knowledge by posting these lists. They're not evidence about "Albanoid" on Slavic as you're just posting Slavic terms and making up connections which don't exist.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

He did not make his own appraisal, he agreed with a "mystery poster" which I'm sure is you. Why he will not do his own review, who knows, he should grab 20-30 words in one sequel(not select them from different corners, picking and choosing), and see if he can arrive at the same conclusion. It's his choice though, he can continue talking about other stuff in his blog and not honor his word to look into it.

To answer one of your proposals:

bezpieczny - Wiktionary, the free dictionary

en.wiktionary.org

Invalid, this is actually Albanian style of Illyrian etymology. Without care, without attention somehow equates to honor, trust, safe, guarantee? The etymology explanation is definitely without care and attention.
Even more interesting:

First attested in the 15th century.

Yes, that's the time frame Gorales become firmly established in Poland and new word that sounds like besa appears that means besa. From memory kapuci also appears out of nowhere in Poland, in the same time frame, and no one considered the link to Albanian kepuce.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

The supposed "full equivalent" of Albanian vend can't be derived from it or a close language. It is in fact just a common Slavic word:

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You're not convincing anyone who has even entry level knowledge by posting these lists. They're not evidence about "Albanoid" on Slavic as you're just posting Slavic terms and making up connections which don't exist.

Invalid, vidny in Hustul clearly means location, place, it does not have same meaning as the Russian word quoted, you might as well post comparison to a word that means potato, and ignore the etymology. I'll ignore your trolling for now, this particular example does not even warrant a response.

 

[Veriu]

Invalid, vidny in Hustul clearly means location, place, it does not have same meaning as the Russian word quotet, you might as well post comparison to a word that means potato, and ignore the etymology. I'll ignore your trolling for now, this particular example does not even warrant a response.

It's called semantic shift and it occurs in all language groups. They have the same term but over time it acquires additional meanings which is exactly what is the case here. Hutsul vidny is literally just Slavic vidny, it's not a non-Slavic term which magically comes from Albanian vend because it linguistically can't be derived from any Albanian(oid) language.

He did not make his own appraisal, he agreed with a "mystery poster" which I'm sure is you. Why he will not do his own review, who knows, he should grab 20-30 words in one sequel(not select them from different corners, picking and choosing), and see if he can arrive at the same conclusion. It's his choice though, he can continue talking about other stuff in his blog and not honor his word to look into it.

The person who replied to you has been a regular poster of his blog for the past 10 years or so, but sure, don't let that stop you from thinking that it's me.

You can either accept that informed reviews of your "list" independently reach the same conclusion and possibly try to understand why or you can come up with the conspiracy theory that every criticism comes from just one person. Either way, the "list" remains blatantly misinformed.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

It's called semantic shift and it occurs in all language groups. They have the same term but over time it acquires additional meanings which is exactly what is the case here. Hutsul vidny is literally just Slavic vidny, it's not a non-Slavic term which magically comes from Albanian vend because it linguistically can't be derived from any Albanian(oid) language.

I can make a discussion out of this, but it's pointless, the merit of my proposal is self evident. As rule Slavic words reappear among other dialects and language branches repeatedly. Creating exception through Sazan Guri style of etymology is amusing, but I'm not wasting my time.

The person who replied to you has been a regular poster of his blog for the past 10 years or so, but sure, don't let that stop you from thinking that it's me.

You can either accept that informed reviews of your "list" independently reach the same conclusion and possibly try to understand why or you can come up with the conspiracy theory that every criticism comes from just one person. Either way, the "list" remains blatantly misinformed.

Don;t know who he is, but I always suspected there was a "Greek" person that actively helps rrenjet, it's likely him. Not a neutral person, but who cares. I don't care who he is.

You can post whatever you want, I really don't want to stop you from posting

we'll see

 

[Japode]

Weren't you just commenting under the smerdaleos blog-post in asking about his appraisal? If it really was ALL that serious, wouldn't you contact researchers in the field of Carpathian studies? You're out here diddling your fingers on forums, why did you expect academic outreach on here?

When your theory is riddled with methodological blunders, unsupported historical claims, and phonological inconsistencies, it is not a matter of "closed-mindedness" when several others dismiss it. It is a matter of standards.

The irony? If anything, you are the one with the fixed mind so determined to see an 'Albanoid' echo in every Hutsul word that you refuse to consider even the most obvious etymologies from Slavic, Romance, Finno-Ugric, and among other contact borrowings which are immediately all the more familiar.

You don’t want scrutiny or analysis. You just want others to agree with pseudoscentific nonsense. You prefer to compose this 'pontifical' preach from the safety of echo chambers, then whine when someone more grounded/familiar in actual linguistics doesn’t genuflect before your cut-and-paste wordlist crusade.

This is the posture of the pseudoscientific narcissist. It is epistemically dishonest, rhetorically manipulative, and fundamentally anti-scholarly.

Discourse with such hobbyists when you actually engage with comparative linguistics not this amateur word-matching exercise disguised as revelation.

Talk to me when you’ve:

- Constructed sound correspondences not just noticed similar syllables, but laid out systematic, regular, phonological changes rooted in reconstructed forms.
- Distinguished between inheritance, borrowing, and chance similarities, and accounted for all three with reference to known contact histories, areal diffusion, and substrate phenomena.
- Eliminated plausible sources like Slavic, Finno-Ugric, Romance, Romani and Turkic; not with dismissive arrogance, but with actual sources.
- Demonstrated awareness of semantic drift, morphological innovation, and lexical layering you know, the tools of historical linguistics.

Until then, your list is not “evidence.” It’s lexical pareidolia: pattern-seeking without process, theory without control, assertion without proof.

So no until your work reflects a bare minimum command of historical linguistics that goes beyond pattern-matching and 'Albanoid' exceptionalism, don’t expect to be taken seriously, especially when you manage to make up non-Slavic etymologies even for typical Slavic vocabulary.