Politics Should Crimea be an independent country? (Russian-Ukrainian conflict)

[LeBrok]

HAHAHA

watch the results in Last European Parliament, and you will see,
tremendous raise for radical left and extra nationalists as all of Europe,

It is typical in times of recession and economic downturns. We are still far away from far right and far left ruling Europe as it was before WWII. And even then capitalism survived.

Europe will not be USA, we will follow our own path,
we don't want Goldman sachs and Draki, we don't want the huge corp.. that US had once,

Like in poor Greece which doesn't have big corporations?

US Banking system capitalism is over, we will Europe to follow, as we did not let follow ex Communism,
Long Live Free world,

That's good, because last time I checked capitalism loves free world, global village free trade and free market.

No I did went to prison,
my PC was broken to pieces and HD was removed by 'antiterror' govermental troops, so I waited months to take me a new one,

is very good, excellent, but my Adsl is slow since is being 'watched' by CIA MI5 MIT ΚΥΠ MOSANT SIEMENS C4I KGB etc etc.

You missed NSA. and surely Google and Facebook.

yesterday I saw a man dress like Al kainta warrior, I Think even Seichs 'watch me'

It is good to feel important.

 

[Fire Haired14]

You don't make sense at all. In all nations and ethnicities you will find tolerant and intolerant people. You can't put all of them into the same bag, proclaiming Slavs good and friendly and dislike others. As in case of Vedun liking only Slavs, based on vague connection of some old pagan religion. Do you agree with Vedun's position?

I see what you're saying, but it's usually not black and white, some ideological differences are only opinion based, one is not from intolerant than the other.

There are so many differnt Slavic people, ranging from Muslim Bosnians in the southeastern edge of Europe to Russians in the northeastern edge of Europe, the only thing that unites them is their language and I guess maybe there are some cultural similarities but I don't know. If Slavs agree to have some type of alliance and help each other out just because they speak Slavic languages I think that's alright, as long as they treat non-Slavs in their own nations equally.

 

[Ike]

That's good, because last time I checked capitalism loves free world, global village free trade and free market.

No, it doesn't. Capitalism promotes free world only within it's domain. It's like making a perfect nuclear shelter 100m below ground where you have everything you can imagine, and then calling poor peoples of the world to get down.

You have to understand that not all people have your materialistic approach to life, and they don't value their lives through banking accounts. Even worse than that, capitalist corporations don't leave you an option to stand aside, but are eager to involve other uninterested entities in the game they've been playing for centuries, in which newcomers are certain to lose for their amateurism, inexperience and naivety.

How can it be freedom, when someone forces you to play his game, which you don't like, and will surely lose? It's like Dwayne Johnson forcing you to play "Kick in the head", with an excuse that winner gets $1.000.000 from the defeated. Fair play. Why wouldn't you play?

 

[Yetos]

hahaha

again Lebrok always the same

Capitalism is invented in Venice, but became a science in West Europe, especially after Ellisabethian times in England, when bankers use pigeons to know the price of gold in each European capital.
became a study in Universities and design for the master's,
so a law of catholic church maDe jews of Venice so powerfull, that later napoleon lost war due to lack of capitals, but after WW2 we see 3 thinks,

1 is That Capitalism and Communism co-exist in China !!!!!!
2 I have to be harashed to save the bank!!!!
3 I have to work a depth not my own (specially in India)

sory pal Capitalism is over

DAY BY DAY WE SEE BANK BUBBLES, meaning THAT THE HEART OF CAPITALISM, THE BANKER"S CAPITAL (the Beast) MUST BE FEED BY BLOOD,
So we don't speak about free world, we speak about bank's dictatorship,
as a dictatorship soon will collapse, like communism before him,

BOTH CAPITALISM AND COMMUNISM ARE INVENTIONS BY CERTAIN CLASS

CAPITALISM IS THE INVENTION OF BANKER"S TO BECOME ELITE
COMMUNISM WAS AN INVENTION OF PHILOSHOPHER"S TO CREATE A NOMEN CLASS

CAPITALISM IS LIKE 'APOCALYPTO' creating an ΥΔΡΟΚΕΦΑΛΗ ΚΟΙΝΩΝΙΑ. (hydrocphalic society)

in USA they realize that from 30's and moved production to south East Asia, leaving USA techonologiacally far behind, but economically far ahead, but who has the pwer for future?

1 the non consumer worker?
2 the producer
3 the money king

THAT IS WHY WEST WORLD IS DYING, THE POWER BELONGS TO 1rst, BUT THEY ELIMINATE HIM WITH HARASING HIM TO SAVE BANKS, AND BRING FOREIGNERS WHO ALREADY ACCEPTED THAT IDEA, (Eurabia, USSA (* SPANISH))

PS i think you need more effort to catch my humor

 

[LeBrok]

sory pal Capitalism is over

It is good to have a dream.

in USA they realize that from 30's and moved production to south East Asia, leaving USA techonologiacally far behind, but economically far ahead, but who has the pwer for future?

Technologically behind? Who invented internet, e commerce, or smartphones? Who makes the best computer chips? Who is leading in automatic cars and robotics? Who sequenced first human genome?
Actually due to robotics all the jobs will come back to USA. When you have robots you don't need human labour in Asia.
Thanks to big money capital in US, venture capitalists invent new products and improve our lives.
You might ask yourself a question, why Greeks don't invent new things? Perhaps of too much socialism (which kills entrepreneurial spirit) and lack of capital?
Check this thread please.
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/27140-Robot-anyone-!-New-technological-revolution-is-near

PS i think you need more effort to catch my humor

I'm glad you are not 100% serious when you write your posts.

 

[Yetos]

It is good to have a dream.

Technologically behind? Who invented internet, e commerce, or smartphones? Who makes the best computer chips? Who is leading in automatic cars and robotics? Who sequenced first human genome?
Actually due to robotics all the jobs will come back to USA. When you have robots you don't need human labour in Asia.
Thanks to big money capital in US, venture capitalists invent new products and improve our lives.
You might ask yourself a question, why Greeks don't invent new things? Perhaps of too much socialism (which kills entrepreneurial spirit) and lack of capital?
Check this thread please.
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/27140-Robot-anyone-!-New-technological-revolution-is-near

I'm glad you are not 100% serious when you write your posts.

Robotics.
A good field,
who is ahead? Japan Deutschland USA ?????

Internet start point RPnet homeland Netherlands surpise the answer from Russian president to US president through the HIGH SECURITY RPnet of CIA. !!!!!!

mobile phones !!!! Finland and sweden? the ones who made the first satelite ever, when US could not even imagine of something like that?
Smartphone 1rst Ericson GS 88 !!!!!

you are talking Aplle iOS maybe, but which part of a iphone is made in USA?

besides if all that is true? then why the last 15 days DeuTschland 'send back home' a USAr for spying, Also in Greece that happened too last week,

the latest Satelite the 2nd Greece produced Λ-Sat is searching Novoselov's Γραφενιο, why US demands the rights of the search?

Day by day, I hope we are alive you will realise what I am talking about.
(when you trust in bank, only economical killers you produce)

even in TV the B&O was the first to discover and produce a flat TV, but look what Koreans or Chinese or who ever East Asian, very smart indeed, did

a TV that you can roll it and take it everywhere even to 60".

Techno has 2 words,

1rst is τεχνολογια technology the ability to know how works
2nd is τεχνογνωσια ????? the ability to build or massive production

to who is easier to make experiments for beeter or advance? to 1rst or 2nd?

 

[Yetos]

Back to thread,

the air corrdiors that aeroplanes use today in Europe, above uKraine

 

[Ua'Ronain]

Back to thread,

the air corrdiors that aeroplanes use today in Europe, above uKraine

Well when you consider that either the Russians or the rebels fired a surface to air missile that knocked a commercial airliner out of the sky today and killed hundreds of people I would imagine people would stay the hell away. Seriously how the hell do you confuse a jetliner at 30,000 feet with anything? Either way the Russians are responsible for the deaths. No matter who fired the weapon the fact remains the system used to knock it out of the sky was a Russian design that either they fired themselves or one they gave to the rebels.

 

[Yetos]

Well when you consider that either the Russians or the rebels fired a surface to air missile that knocked a commercial airliner out of the sky today and killed hundreds of people I would imagine people would stay the hell away. Seriously how the hell do you confuse a jetliner at 30,000 feet with anything? Either way the Russians are responsible for the deaths. No matter who fired the weapon the fact remains the system used to knock it out of the sky was a Russian design that either they fired themselves or one they gave to the rebels.

how sure you are that this was not a provocative act so Ukraine Nationalists unlease all miltary powers with all the bless of Nato?
we speak about Ukraine Europe, not a middle East country, that already lost Crimea and a chance to loose 3-4 more province according the peoples-dwellers will,
a 'wounded' lion possible for anything.

 

[Ua'Ronain]

It was fired from eastern Ukraine or possibly from Russia itself according to American and NATO intelligence. They have narrowed it down to 2 types of rockets. One is exclusive to the Russian military and not some cold war relic and is a complicated weapons system to fire. Not once have the western minded Ukrainians fired at anything in the air... why would they the rebels do not have air power. The rebels on the other hand have been knocking fighter jets, cargo planes and helicopters out of the sky. I hope we find out that it came from Russia itself and they get hammered with real economic sanctions from Europe.

 

[Yetos]

It was fired from eastern Ukraine or possibly from Russia itself according to American and NATO intelligence. They have narrowed it down to 2 types of rockets. One is exclusive to the Russian military and not some cold war relic and is a complicated weapons system to fire. Not once have the western minded Ukrainians fired at anything in the air... why would they the rebels do not have air power. The rebels on the other hand have been knocking fighter jets, cargo planes and helicopters out of the sky. I hope we find out that it came from Russia itself and they get hammered with real economic sanctions from Europe.

According Eurocontrol was flying at at lvl 330 (10-12 km) nothing more,

What makes me wonder is why to use economic sanctions to Russia, and not use a solution like in Cyprus, or like on ex Czechoslovakia.
if Ukraine stays as it has then we have eternal war, like Iraq and |Syria where the difference is also religion dogma, or Kossovo which is still under KFOR etc etc.

WE CLEARLY SPEAK ABOUT A CIVIL WAR THERE. NOT WHO IS GOOD OR WHO IS BAD, ACCORDING OUR WILL

I am sure you do not want western Ukraine to supress East, neither the oposite,

besides economic sanctions is just for pappers. if Gazprom close the pipes, Europe will be under energy problem, and there is also China on the other coast,
we better speak about a loose division line or lose confederation cause all other solutions are not fair.

 

[Ua'Ronain]

Why would I want the Russians punished? It is because of them so many have died.

They funded, equipped, trained and are directly responsible for how many deaths exactly? They have sent tanks, rockets and other heavy weaponry into the situation. If the Russians did not arm the rebels to the teeth and send men at arms from the Russian federation into the east part of Ukraine we would not have this issue.


Tell me... do you think the rebels in Crimea or elsewhere would had had the manpower and equipment to do any of this without a giant helping hand from the Russians?

 

[Ua'Ronain]

Just wanted to add that the American government saw the launch and the hit on the plane on infrared satellite. I would imagine they already knew who launched it but are waiting on a good time to say who did it.

 

[matbir]

Igor Strielkov (Girkin) former FSB agent self proclaimed leader of separatists already announced that they downed this plane it was before they discovered that it was civilian plane.
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/805...they-shot-down-malaysia-airlines-mh17-photos/


Edit:
Here is interactive map of conflict in Eastern Ukraine:
http://liveuamap.com/e/2014/18-of-j...ll=48.14776316994899;38.60321044921899&zoom=8

 

[Vedun]

This plane was shot down by the Ukrainian military with the help of CIA

 

[Yetos]

Just wanted to add that the American government saw the launch and the hit on the plane on infrared satellite. I would imagine they already knew who launched it but are waiting on a good time to say who did it.

really? do you believ are reliable?

 

[Ike]

Tell me... do you think the rebels in Crimea or elsewhere would had had the manpower and equipment to do any of this without a giant helping hand from the Russians?

So then, why did your war alliance equipped rebels in my country?

 

[Ua'Ronain]

So then, why did your war alliance equipped rebels in my country?

Yugoslavia is not a country anyone.... I have a very hard time understanding anything you say. But go ahead and defend the butchering of all of those civilians, and express your love for Putin and everything Russia just because they are also Slavic. The sad thing is no matter where you are in the Balkans your region is sliding towards the west and away from the Russians just as the rest of the sane world is doing.

 

[Ua'Ronain]

really? do you believ are reliable?

I do believe so, but even without the spy satellite infrared images or the call from rebels to Russian handlers I would be hard pressed to offer a logical solution other than the rebels or the Russians shot it down. Tell me, do you think someone else would have done it?

 

[Ike]

Yugoslavia is not a country anyone....

I said 'why did'...

I have a very hard time understanding anything you say. But go ahead and defend the butchering of all of those civilians, and express your love for Putin and everything Russia just because they are also Slavic. The sad thing is no matter where you are in the Balkans your region is sliding towards the west and away from the Russians just as the rest of the sane world is doing.

Ukrainians are also Slavic. Why would you assume that I'd love Russians more than them, it's almost the same people...
BTW our region is sliding into nowhere. It would be nice if we could slide anywhere except downwards...